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Title: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: _oDi_ on December 30, 2013, 11:19:57 PM
Ok , is ready  :D

(V 0.95 -  03/06/2014)

http://gp-bikes-italia.forumfree.it/?t=67821359


Have fun!
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: JamoZ on December 30, 2013, 11:23:20 PM
downloading!
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: RiccoChicco on December 30, 2013, 11:24:15 PM
Same here!  8)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 30, 2013, 11:24:27 PM
OH YEAH!!
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: neoraptor on December 30, 2013, 11:24:36 PM
Same here  ;D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: JamoZ on December 30, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
I`ll start a server! :D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: neoraptor on December 30, 2013, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: JamoZ on December 30, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
I`ll start a server! :D
On Castelletto/laghi map? (don't say Magny-Cours  ;D)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: HornetMaX on December 30, 2013, 11:40:54 PM
Quote from: neoraptor on December 30, 2013, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: JamoZ on December 30, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
I`ll start a server! :D
On Castelletto/laghi map? (don't say Magny-Cours  ;D)
TT would be epic with these ... in the while, Nordschleife will do.

MaX.
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Arvoss on December 30, 2013, 11:53:14 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on December 30, 2013, 11:40:54 PM
Quote from: neoraptor on December 30, 2013, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: JamoZ on December 30, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
I`ll start a server! :D
On Castelletto/laghi map? (don't say Magny-Cours  ;D)
TT would be epic with these ... in the while, Nordschleife will do.

MaX.

Hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahha, 4 external fuel tanks will do the job :p
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: BozoCRO on December 30, 2013, 11:58:35 PM
link doesnt work?!
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: lluisete on December 31, 2013, 12:01:17 AM
Trying to connect!!
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Klax75 on December 31, 2013, 02:58:59 AM
Sends me to a login screen...
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Hawk on December 31, 2013, 03:01:24 AM
Quote from: _oDi_ on December 30, 2013, 11:19:57 PM
Ok , is ready  :D

http://gp-bikes-italia.forumfree.it/?t=67821359


Have fun!

Hi oDi  ;)

This is brilliant oDi,  FANTASTIC JOB, mate!!!  ;D 8)

PS: I don't wish to be rude or ungrateful, but couldn't you upload this to a free download site like MEGA so people don't have to sign up to gp-bikes-italia to get it? People wouldn't mind so much if the site had an English Language version, but most of us don't speak or understand Italian. :P ;D


Update: Thanks for sorting this out, ALEale ... The download link is working fine now. Good job! ;D 8)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Abigor on December 31, 2013, 09:42:30 AM
sorry but is this only for italian Guys ??  :-\
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 09:48:35 AM
I will fix in few minutes ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 10:00:43 AM
fixed... GO AND HAVE FUN! :D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Abigor on December 31, 2013, 10:06:15 AM
this is what i get  on this link on italian forum  .... "Sorry, an error occured. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help files for more information.

You do not have permission to view this topic"  .......??
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: dibu on December 31, 2013, 10:08:22 AM
Hi ALEale,

I get the same error. Or is there a new link?
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 10:10:34 AM
no wait... not fixed... few minutes..  :-[
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 10:14:47 AM
ok try now :) sorry for the problem
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: dibu on December 31, 2013, 10:21:47 AM
Thank you, it works. Now I can start testing.  ;D

And a big thank you to you, _oDi_ and Buggi for the mod.  :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Abigor on December 31, 2013, 10:29:26 AM
Thank you it working fine now........and it's fantastic  ;D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Hawk on December 31, 2013, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: dibu on December 31, 2013, 10:21:47 AM
Thank you, it works. Now I can start testing.  ;D

And a big thank you to you, _oDi_ and Buggi for the mod.  :)

Hi dibu.

Sorry if I've missed a post relating to this query, but are you planning to put this bike mod onto your server Bike Mod list? I tried to connect with this bike to one of your bike mod servers and couldn't because this Bike Mod wasn't catered for on your servers right now. Be great if you could add this! ;D ;D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
I will include the Zip into the bike mod as soon as it hits version 1.0. Then I'll put in the R6 aswell.
Then it will be easier for dibu as he doesn't have to update the servers everytime a update is released ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: HornetMaX on December 31, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
Yeah but that would make one giant download ... why not keeping stuff separate ?

MaX.
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
I will include the Zip into the bike mod as soon as it hits version 1.0. Then I'll put in the R6 aswell.
Then it will be easier for dibu as he doesn't have to update the servers everytime a update is released ;)

Waiting for the next release, will be ready in a couple of days. Will include improvements to the sound and clutch.  :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Hawk on December 31, 2013, 11:40:44 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
I will include the Zip into the bike mod as soon as it hits version 1.0. Then I'll put in the R6 aswell.
Then it will be easier for dibu as he doesn't have to update the servers everytime a update is released ;)

Hi JamoZ :)

The R6 is not version 1.0 yet, and that is on dibu's servers? How come you suggest we have to wait for version 1.0 of the PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC bike before dibu puts it on his servers? Both bikes will be updated until they hit version 1.0, no?

Quote from: HornetMaX on December 31, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
Yeah but that would make one giant download ... why not keeping stuff separate ?

MaX.

I have to agree with Max on this.


Update:

Quote from: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
I will include the Zip into the bike mod as soon as it hits version 1.0. Then I'll put in the R6 aswell.
Then it will be easier for dibu as he doesn't have to update the servers everytime a update is released ;)

Waiting for the next release, will be ready in a couple of days. Will include improvements to the sound and clutch.  :)

Okay... This makes sense to wait for induction to dibu's servers if very regular updates are coming for the PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC 8)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on December 31, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
Yeah but that would make one giant download ... why not keeping stuff separate ?

MaX.

I will provide a link to everything packing into one mod, and all the stuff seperated for people who just want to add new bikes ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Hawk on December 31, 2013, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on December 31, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
Yeah but that would make one giant download ... why not keeping stuff separate ?

MaX.

I will provide a link to everything packing into one mod, and all the stuff seperated for people who just want to add new bikes ;)

Sounds good, JamoZ.... Thanks, mate! ;D 8)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: dibu on December 31, 2013, 12:41:58 PM
Yes, please keep the mods together in one official mod with version number. You can split the downloads but it has to be one single mod.

Our situation atm:

Server without mods:
everybody can connect, doesn'matter which mod(s) he has installed at his pc.

Server with mods:
only people who have installed EXACTLY the same mod(s) like the server can connect. It's no problem if they have more mods installed.



For each mod I need a separate GPB installation with all tracks, scripts and batch files. Running servers for thousands of single mods is not possible. I'm already running 2 physical and 4 virtual servers for GPB/WRS and there are seven GPB track folders (5 at the servers) which I have to keep synchronous.

I'll add everything to my servers as soon as it is included in the official mod. Everything else will be too much work.

Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: dibu on December 31, 2013, 12:52:02 PM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on December 31, 2013, 11:10:37 AM
Hi dibu.

Sorry if I've missed a post relating to this query, but are you planning to put this bike mod onto your server Bike Mod list? I tried to connect with this bike to one of your bike mod servers and couldn't because this Bike Mod wasn't catered for on your servers right now. Be great if you could add this! ;D ;D

Not at my regular servers ATM (see post obove). If PeterV doesn't need my racing server I can install it there until the next race at the weekend.
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 01:40:21 PM
That`s why i want to keep it as easy for you as possible ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Hawk on December 31, 2013, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: dibu on December 31, 2013, 12:41:58 PM
Yes, please keep the mods together in one official mod with version number. You can split the downloads but it has to be one single mod.

Our situation atm:

Server without mods:
everybody can connect, doesn'matter which mod(s) he has installed at his pc.

Server with mods:
only people who have installed EXACTLY the same mod(s) like the server can connect. It's no problem if they have more mods installed.



For each mod I need a separate GPB installation with all tracks, scripts and batch files. Running servers for thousands of single mods is not possible. I'm already running 2 physical and 4 virtual servers for GPB/WRS and there are seven GPB track folders (5 at the servers) which I have to keep synchronous.

I'll add everything to my servers as soon as it is included in the official mod. Everything else will be too much work.

Point well made and taken, dibu.  ;) 8)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
NEW BETA IN A FEW MINUTES WITH NEW TRACKS!

DELETE BETA 1 AND "LAGHI" TRACK :D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 02:31:46 PM
BETA 2 ready (link at first page).

Sorry for the inconvenience  but there were some bugs to solve in haste.  :)


ChangeLog:

Clutch upgrade
Sound upgrade
Swingarm Bug fix
Chassis upgrade
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 02:37:44 PM
Great job oDi, can i include it in the Bike mod now? Or is there still work to be done on the Zip?

*edit : I can`t see any new tracks at the link...
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 02:43:04 PM
New tracks are in uploading ;) will be ready in one hour i think :P
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 02:37:44 PM
Great job oDi, can i include it in the Bike mod now? Or is there still work to be done on the Zip?

*edit : I can`t see any new tracks at the link...


yes you can, next beta will be released only in the future, no exact date. So this beta is the best for now :)

Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: JamoZ on December 31, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
Great :D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 03:30:13 PM
added new tracks at the link in first post!

REMEMBER TO DELETE OLD "LAGHI" TRACK
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: oppolo on December 31, 2013, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 02:31:46 PM
Sound upgrade

i have still a bad sound
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: oppolo on December 31, 2013, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 02:31:46 PM
Sound upgrade

i have still a bad sound

What do you mean?
the sound is definitely acceptable.
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 03:35:49 PM
is the best sound we can create without sound tools... 
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: oppolo on December 31, 2013, 03:46:14 PM
I meant in my pc is not equal to that I heard from your youtube video, I'll try to make a video if I can
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 03:58:14 PM




this is the sound you should hear

http://youtu.be/ynD2uM1XEbM







Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: oppolo on December 31, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 03:58:14 PM




this is the sound you should hear

http://youtu.be/ynD2uM1XEbM

yes and that is acceptable

this is my soun

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z226/kirkkonummi/th_core2013-12-3116-49-29-828_agk_zps25e87f2c.jpg) (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z226/kirkkonummi/core2013-12-3116-49-29-828_agk_zps25e87f2c.mp4)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: _oDi_ on December 31, 2013, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: oppolo on December 31, 2013, 04:10:49 PM

yes and that is acceptable

this is my soun

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z226/kirkkonummi/th_core2013-12-3116-49-29-828_agk_zps25e87f2c.jpg) (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z226/kirkkonummi/core2013-12-3116-49-29-828_agk_zps25e87f2c.mp4)


OMG  :o   very strange... try to re-download it...
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: oppolo on December 31, 2013, 04:52:18 PM
well, it was I had manual clutch, when I tick automatic clutch, the sound change, I coudn't imagine that clutch should change the sound.

anyway it seem we have different games, here the clutch is all time slippery and if anyone is complaining, so I am the only one with this issue, I had to increase this value "MaxTorque = 55.8" , these PCs are really strange
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: neoraptor on December 31, 2013, 05:01:28 PM
I also noticed a small bug: if I don't give gas, the engine stalls after a few seconds.
Beta2 is better to handle (it seems you touch the engine a bit).
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: neoraptor on December 31, 2013, 05:01:28 PM
I also noticed a small bug: if I don't give gas, the engine stalls after a few seconds.
Beta2 is better to handle (it seems you touch the engine a bit).

is a known "bug" but i like it! :D

we've not touched engine ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: neoraptor on December 31, 2013, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: ALEale on December 31, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
is a known "bug" but i like it! :D

we've not touched engine ;)
Ok. It is not really a problem as your rarely off the throttle with so much power to handle  ;D ;D
According to the files, you touch a bit the engine (it is not the same as in beta 1)

Also, the transmission ratio is very important to improve stability of the bike :
* Short transmission results in quicker response but lower stability
* inverse for long transmission

If you lose too much the front, put a longer transmission ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: dibu on December 31, 2013, 06:00:48 PM
Quote from: oppolo on December 31, 2013, 04:52:18 PM
anyway it seem we have different games, here the clutch is all time slippery and if anyone is complaining, so I am the only one with this issue, I had to increase this value "MaxTorque = 55.8" , these PCs are really strange

I don't think that you have a different game. ;) I've the same clutch problem. Increasing 'MaxTorque' feels more realistic for me too.
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: oppolo on December 31, 2013, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: dibu on December 31, 2013, 06:00:48 PM
Quote from: oppolo on December 31, 2013, 04:52:18 PM
anyway it seem we have different games, here the clutch is all time slippery and if anyone is complaining, so I am the only one with this issue, I had to increase this value "MaxTorque = 55.8" , these PCs are really strange

I don't think that you have a different game. ;) I've the same clutch problem. Increasing 'MaxTorque' feels more realistic for me too.

ah ok, thanks  ;)

EDIT
maybe it's for simulate CVT
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on January 01, 2014, 12:32:45 PM
New tracks avaliable in the link of the first post!! Zuera is a LunaPark for me ehehehe
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Hawk on January 01, 2014, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: ALEale on January 01, 2014, 12:32:45 PM
New tracks avaliable in the link of the first post!! Zuera is a LunaPark for me ehehehe

Hi ALEale

I'll upload these tracks to the "Track Downloads" MEGA Database.

Thanks ALEale ;) :D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: dibu on January 01, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: ALEale on January 01, 2014, 12:32:45 PM
New tracks avaliable in the link of the first post!! Zuera is a LunaPark for me ehehehe

In the Zuera download the zuera.rdf file is not included.
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: JamoZ on January 01, 2014, 03:41:10 PM
Zuera gives me the message "pitlane is full" and then cores the game...
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on January 01, 2014, 06:30:39 PM
Later i'll take a look sorry for the inconvenience ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: lluisete on January 01, 2014, 06:48:02 PM
Any idea to get more grip front wheel? I lose it a lot! :(
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: JamoZ on January 01, 2014, 07:11:02 PM
Keep a little bit throttle applied when leaning from left to right, and also reduce the braking lever size to 20mm. You can`t really brake into a corner like on the bikes...
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: ALEale on January 01, 2014, 07:32:52 PM
Quote from: JamoZ on January 01, 2014, 07:11:02 PM
Keep a little bit throttle applied when leaning from left to right, and also reduce the braking lever size to 20mm. You can`t really brake into a corner like on the bikes...

I Agree!


EDIT:
LINK OF ZUERA NOW FIXED!! SORRY ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: oppolo on January 01, 2014, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: lluisete on January 01, 2014, 06:48:02 PM
Any idea to get more grip front wheel? I lose it a lot! :(

I'd rather say the steering ratio, this scooter should turn in a "handkerchief", on the contrary I seem it has the maneuverability of the 125, or am I wrong? please don't be upset but is the wheelbase correct?
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: neoraptor on January 01, 2014, 11:37:01 PM
I played a bit  with the settings and you can do a few things to improve the handling of the scooter and avoid locking the front:
- reduce fuel to 5-6l
- augment the rake angle to 27
- loose the rear shock completely (it is too hard stock)
- change the tires for the super soft
- I personnally like the 20m brake lever better (more progressive)

I now manage to put some interesting laptimes ;)
If you see my server running, come and I will happily share the whole settings ;)

Last thing, you should be gentle when putting the bike right after a corner and avoid unnecessary inputs as it is quite sensitive.
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: Hawk on January 01, 2014, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: oppolo on January 01, 2014, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: lluisete on January 01, 2014, 06:48:02 PM
Any idea to get more grip front wheel? I lose it a lot! :(

I'd rather say the steering ratio, this scooter should turn in a "handkerchief", on the contrary I seem it has the maneuverability of the 125, or am I wrong? please don't be upset but is the wheelbase correct?

I'm sure I saw the rider turn the steering wheel while cornering.... Surely this is incorrect while moving accept when moving very very slow?
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: _oDi_ on January 01, 2014, 11:52:00 PM
Quote from: oppolo on January 01, 2014, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: lluisete on January 01, 2014, 06:48:02 PM
Any idea to get more grip front wheel? I lose it a lot! :(

I'd rather say the steering ratio, this scooter should turn in a "handkerchief", on the contrary I seem it has the maneuverability of the 125, or am I wrong? please don't be upset but is the wheelbase correct?

What? have you tried the 125 on the kart track?
The wheelbase is corret, and the bike turn in handkerchief. Maybe  before you speak, you should learn to turn .
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: HornetMaX on January 02, 2014, 12:18:29 AM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 01, 2014, 11:38:03 PM
I'm sure I saw the rider turn the steering wheel while cornering.... Surely this is incorrect while moving accept when moving very very slow?
In general that would not be incorrect: steering is (also) used to counter leaning movements (bike falling or getting up).
Steering (actually, counter-steering) is the way you change the bike lean and changing the bike lean can happen mid-turn.
If you are in a steady turn right (steady speed, steady turn radius, steady lean angle and steering angle) then if you steer more to the left the you will lean more, while more to the right you will lean less.

MaX.
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: JamoZ on January 02, 2014, 02:12:51 AM
Quote from: neoraptor on January 01, 2014, 11:37:01 PM
I played a bit  with the settings and you can do a few things to improve the handling of the scooter and avoid locking the front:
- reduce fuel to 5-6l
- augment the rake angle to 27
- loose the rear shock completely (it is too hard stock)
- change the tires for the super soft
- I personnally like the 20m brake lever better (more progressive)

I now manage to put some interesting laptimes ;)
If you see my server running, come and I will happily share the whole settings ;)

Last thing, you should be gentle when putting the bike right after a corner and avoid unnecessary inputs as it is quite sensitive.

I just set the swingarm to 2, 20mm brake lever and less fuel. I have no problems with the springs or rake angle. You don`t want to make it too slow to turn in :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: wulfgaard on January 02, 2014, 03:16:06 AM
Quote from: neoraptor on January 01, 2014, 11:37:01 PM
- reduce fuel to 5-6l
- augment the rake angle to 27
- loose the rear shock completely (it is too hard stock)
- change the tires for the super soft
- I personnally like the 20m brake lever better (more progressive)


Thanks, man! I really like the idea of a Piaggio Cup or something like that but I was losing hope of getting up to the pace of my fellow "virtual" riders. At a chicane, the front would almost always fail but now it's super.

Thanks a million once again. By the way, any change of creating a Scooter racing event or am I unaware that they already exist. Cheers
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: SwarleyRuiz on January 02, 2014, 09:06:45 AM
Thanks _oDi_
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA1
Post by: oppolo on January 02, 2014, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: _oDi_ on January 01, 2014, 11:52:00 PM
Quote from: oppolo on January 01, 2014, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: lluisete on January 01, 2014, 06:48:02 PM
Any idea to get more grip front wheel? I lose it a lot! :(

I'd rather say the steering ratio, this scooter should turn in a "handkerchief", on the contrary I seem it has the maneuverability of the 125, or am I wrong? please don't be upset but is the wheelbase correct?

What? have you tried the 125 on the kart track?
The wheelbase is corret, and the bike turn in handkerchief. Maybe  before you speak, you should learn to turn .

boh, zuera. ok never mind, forget
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: _oDi_ on January 02, 2014, 10:18:39 AM
Well... Zuera it is very difficult with this bike, i know, you have to learn very well the corners and be gentle with stick, otherwise you lose the front. For this problem we are experimenting with new solutions, and we believe we have solved ... In the next beta the bike will be even more "drivable" (to his limit) for all, and not only for top drivers    ::)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: oppolo on January 02, 2014, 10:55:39 AM
no stick here, I use a G25
anyway I noticed it is easy to loose the front also with 125, the hand bar suddenly goes inside the turn, the next step is our back on the ground, so maybe the problem in the chicanes like Skusa is not in the bike but in convertions from krp?

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z226/kirkkonummi/screen000_zps6f6ba1c1.jpg) (http://s195.photobucket.com/user/kirkkonummi/media/screen000_zps6f6ba1c1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: JamoZ on January 02, 2014, 11:09:10 AM
It's probably due to rider input.  I did alot of laps yesterday with ALEale & oDi and we could race quite a few laps without falling before someone made a mistake and crashed. You want to avoid steering quickly from left to right, you rather want to steer left, keep the stick or wheel in the middle for a moment and then start leaning right. If you do this to quickly you will fly off the scooter...it just takes practise and time :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: _oDi_ on January 02, 2014, 11:33:43 AM
True, Jamoz, without our mistakes we could race for many laps without falling. Maybe in a "serious" race....with more concentration... who knows :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: neoraptor on January 02, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
I second that ! As long as you are not too brutal with the inputs, you can race quite long without falling.  ;)
And you need to be precise with your lines as well.

It can also help to listen to the engine to know how slow you can go (try it a few time and then you will know what is the falling sound  :P).
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: ALEale on January 02, 2014, 12:07:55 PM
Yeah agree with JanoZ and oDi... Before give a serious feedback on a mod should ride lot of km/hr on GpBikes... There are lot of tracks.. And not all are drivable...  Then if you like  the mod we are grateful, if you didn't like it, no problem, we are happy the same... My advice... Drive more hour in game then writing on the forum :D

Cheers ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: JamoZ on January 02, 2014, 12:27:23 PM
The only point I can think of right now is the throttle response. In real life the throttle response of a 70/90cc 2 stroke engine with a inner rotor ignition is something really fierce and direct. Right now the engine doesn't pick up immediately when you open throttle again. There is no heavy flywheel attached to the crankshaft so the engine will rev directly and very linear.  But I can imagine this being hard to simulate within the gpb engine...

Other than that I'm having a blast with this mod :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: oppolo on January 02, 2014, 12:30:50 PM
Quote from: JamoZ on January 02, 2014, 11:09:10 AM
You want to avoid steering quickly from left to right, you rather want to steer left, keep the stick or wheel in the middle for a moment and then start leaning right. If you do this to quickly you will fly off the scooter...it just takes practise and time :)

ah ok, thanks, but anyway it's not a realistic behaviour, Piboso should fix this common issue
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: C21 on January 02, 2014, 12:34:13 PM
QuoteThere is no heavy flywheel attached to the crankshaft so the engine will rev directly and very linear.  But I can imagine this being hard to simulate within the gpb engine...
can be adjusted (imho) ;-)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: capeta on January 02, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
I like this scooter thx to the author (aleale?)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: javif1 on January 02, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
Hi! I have a problem only in laghi track

I've tried everything, re-copy, download..etc but I always get so

http://oi40.tinypic.com/ve3tww.jpg

http://oi42.tinypic.com/b97j0j.jpg

http://oi42.tinypic.com/xgazi1.jpg

happens to me from the first day, online and offline

I'm the only one???? xD

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: dibu on January 02, 2014, 08:21:29 PM
Update your graphics drivers or go to 'Settings' -> 'Graphics' and disable 'Shaders' for this track. It's a known problem.
If you use an AMD graphics card search for 'AMD Catalyst 13.12 WHQL'
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: javif1 on January 02, 2014, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: dibu on January 02, 2014, 08:21:29 PM
Update your graphics drivers or go to 'Settings' -> 'Graphics' and disable 'Shaders' for this track. It's a known problem.
If you use an AMD graphics card search for 'AMD Catalyst 13.12 WHQL'

Thanks!! I solved problem :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: neoraptor on January 03, 2014, 01:04:07 PM
Hello,
I would like to suggest a small update on the scoot : could you add more choices for the transmission settings?

DocFumi made some changes on the config file and I really like the added setup range.
Here is the file if you want to try it or integrate it in the next release : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72993931/piaggio_zip_sp%20Open%20Engine.rar
;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: _oDi_ on January 03, 2014, 01:07:58 PM
Quote from: neoraptor on January 03, 2014, 01:04:07 PM
Hello,
I would like to suggest a small update on the scoot : could you add more choices for the transmission settings?

DocFumi made some changes on the config file and I really like the added setup range.
Here is the file if you want to try it or integrate it in the next release : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72993931/piaggio_zip_sp%20Open%20Engine.rar
;)

sure, we are working on the chassis for better handling and also on the transmission ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: ALEale on January 05, 2014, 09:46:00 AM
Some fun @ LaConca  :P
http://youtu.be/1AeC1uSvo18 (http://youtu.be/1AeC1uSvo18)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: ALEale on January 14, 2014, 12:31:27 PM
so.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM1tS4-ggTU&feature=share (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM1tS4-ggTU&feature=share)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: Arvoss on January 14, 2014, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: ALEale on January 14, 2014, 12:31:27 PM
so.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM1tS4-ggTU&feature=share (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM1tS4-ggTU&feature=share)

Lol, epic trailer ;) Can we make our own skin with this new release? :D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: ALEale on January 14, 2014, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: Arvoss on January 14, 2014, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: ALEale on January 14, 2014, 12:31:27 PM
so.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM1tS4-ggTU&feature=share (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM1tS4-ggTU&feature=share)

Lol, epic trailer ;) Can we make our own skin with this new release? :D

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe we will decide today LOL
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: neoraptor on January 14, 2014, 12:54:24 PM
lol ^^
Very good trailer !! Can't wait to test it, well a bit later :P
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: JamoZ on January 14, 2014, 07:08:30 PM
I need it...now! :P
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - BETA2
Post by: ALEale on January 14, 2014, 07:45:18 PM
In uploading... ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: _oDi_ on January 14, 2014, 09:21:34 PM
VERSION 0.9 RELEASED (at first page)

changelog:

3D upgrade
handling upgrade
swingarm bug fix
fuel bug fix
template
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: JamoZ on January 14, 2014, 09:29:03 PM
<3
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: skerp on January 14, 2014, 09:30:13 PM
 ;)Grazie oDi!
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: Arvoss on January 14, 2014, 09:31:46 PM
Template! Yes! :D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: Docfumi on January 14, 2014, 11:58:04 PM
The New Zip is wicked good oDi, thanks for the update now I can try some online with you guys.  ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: ALEale on January 14, 2014, 11:59:51 PM
thanks to all ;)

tomorrow night... special event @ 7 Laghi... ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: SwarleyRuiz on January 15, 2014, 07:45:47 AM
thanks for sharing
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: ALEale on January 15, 2014, 07:52:39 AM
Updated 7 laghi and Skusa Karting with all new camera set  :P

http://gp-bikes-italia.forumfree.it/?t=67821359 (http://gp-bikes-italia.forumfree.it/?t=67821359)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: _oDi_ on January 19, 2014, 09:33:16 PM
Update 093 at first page.

With last beta many people had wobble on the front , with this update the problem is almost solved.

I also added 3 new skins and updated other things.

Thanks to Yamislayer for "DC ZIP" skin  :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: skerp on January 19, 2014, 10:39:56 PM
Thanks!! Cumpà ;)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: Docfumi on January 19, 2014, 11:07:15 PM
Thanks for the update oDi, I´ll try and catch you guys again  ;D zip zip zip
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.9
Post by: SwarleyRuiz on January 20, 2014, 07:40:50 AM
thanks for sharing
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: ALEale on January 27, 2014, 03:06:48 PM
UPLOADED FOUR NEW TRACKS!  ;D

Dijon Kart
Es Course
RussianRing
Villarcayo

http://gp-bikes-italia.forumfree.it/?t=67821359 (http://gp-bikes-italia.forumfree.it/?t=67821359)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: Docfumi on January 27, 2014, 06:03:33 PM
Thanks for the upload ALEale  ;D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.95
Post by: _oDi_ on March 06, 2014, 06:59:20 AM
Upgrade at first page with some physics improvements.  :)

Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: Robert223 on August 13, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
Sorry to necro this thread but is there any way to still get the polini Zip?
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: Nicotine on August 15, 2017, 12:37:38 PM
Error

(https://s2.postimg.org/5wnuyv78l/fsfsfsfsfsf.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5wnuyv78l/)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: matty0l215 on August 15, 2017, 04:19:20 PM
The GPB Italia comunity closed it's doors a while ago.

CAWS took over development for their bikes but the Scooter wern't part of this. Maybe try contacting ALEale to see if he still has the copies :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: Blackheart on August 15, 2017, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: Robert223 on August 13, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
Sorry to necro this thread but is there any way to still get the polini Zip?

If i fix some problem of my model, we release it in some weeks:

(https://s30.postimg.org/n1jw93zn1/Zip_by_Blackheart.png) (https://postimg.org/image/n1jw93zn1/)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: matty0l215 on August 15, 2017, 04:47:59 PM
Perfect! ;D

Problem solved :P
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: Robert223 on August 15, 2017, 09:55:08 PM
Thanks guys! :D
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: Ruoppolo on August 26, 2017, 02:20:47 PM
Hi people !!! I'm italian, may i ask how can i download the Piaggio Zip polini and play it ? If i try to open the italian page it gives me an error message because the gp bikes italia forum it's closed since long ago. Thanks !!!
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: Hawk on August 26, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: Ruoppolo on August 26, 2017, 02:20:47 PM
Hi people !!! I'm italian, may i ask how can i download the Piaggio Zip polini and play it ? If i try to open the italian page it gives me an error message because the gp bikes italia forum it's closed since long ago. Thanks !!!

The only bikes that work with the new beta 12 will be in the BikeMOD Database here: http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=2626.0 (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=2626.0)

Don't make the mistake of downloading and installing old bikemods from spurious forum links that have not been updated for a long time, they won't work.  :)
Title: Re: PIAGGIO ZIP POLINI SP 94 CC - v 0.93
Post by: 2tfanatic on January 01, 2018, 03:07:50 PM
Anyone got a new download link to this mod, i can't find it since the forum where it was posted is closed.