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Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 14, 2017, 09:03:12 PM
Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...
Multi, I try this evening that bike and I made 1:30.7 at Victoria...I think it isn't slow, don't you know?? On Superpole last year Giugliano made 1:30.0
I'm not The Faster here then...I think it's a good bike
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 14, 2017, 09:03:12 PM
Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...
Sorry but this report is useless. ::)
The lean angle is correct, And you can make 1:30 to Victoria with both the bikes
Check the tyres temp, the optimal is 90° for the front and 95° for post tyres, obviously with a difference of about +/-5 °
This bike is really amazing, the brakes are so much realistic and the engine is so manageable.
I find a little problem with the clutch ( I play with assisted clutch), when the engine rpm speed is lowered than 4000'rpm the clutch engages and the engine brake turn off like a scooter :'(
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 14, 2017, 09:03:12 PM
Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...
Hahaha. "It goes to much in the sand !" ;D :P
Quote from: andrea.fiorelli on February 14, 2017, 09:28:20 PM
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 14, 2017, 09:03:12 PM
Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...
Multi, I try this evening that bike and I made 1:30.7 at Victoria...I think it isn't slow, don't you know?? On Superpole last year Giugliano made 1:30.0
I'm not The Faster here then...I think it's a good bike
Well, my test track is Mugello, because I love this track. I can try the bikes out at Victoria, but at Mugello they are not good, at least for me ;)
The bikes were tested also at Mugello, there's nothing wrong with this track, again sorry but the problem is just your.
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 15, 2017, 02:42:55 PM
The bikes were tested also at Mugello, there's nothing wrong with this track, again sorry but the problem is just your.
Ok, then I am the problem :D
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 15, 2017, 02:45:26 PM
Ok, then I am the problem :D
Tonight an other member, will explain how the tires works, I hope this will help solve your problem.
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 15, 2017, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 15, 2017, 02:45:26 PM
Ok, then I am the problem :D
Tonight an other member, will explain how the tires works, I hope this will help solve your problem.
Could help, but I will never be the best rider in GP Bikes, wich also explains that I am having trouble with many bikes :P
Would be great if someone explained how tires work for me as well. I never touch the psi settings, I just switch between Soft or hard options depending on track, setup and stint length.
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
After some testing on Victoria, I also had a 1:31 on my time list. I think, the bike is way more enjoyable here, then on Mugello. Just a quick idea, the Ducati pulls the auto-clutch to early and when you are breaking with both breaks, the clutch will be pulled all the way, until you go on the gas. Would be good if you can fix that, because that is a little bit annoying, unless it is realistic, but I doubt that :D
To me, braking, power and grip are really good.
Handling is good (considering GP Bikes limitations) and it seems to be really quick in the corners.
At Mid Ohio (best track yet!) TCS at 4 made the bike feel docile. At 3 it was a different animal! Maybe a smaller step would be better. Or 3.5. But it might just be the way I drive..
On board view (I only ride onboard) feels full, immersive and really nice, although the screen is more like from a BMW tourer ;)
This bike seems to have a long loading time, around 50 sec offline, compared to 25 sec for STK 1000. Is that just me? Or should it be like that.
Quote from: Syd on February 15, 2017, 08:53:57 PM
To me, braking, power and grip are really good.
Handling is good (considering GP Bikes limitations) and it seems to be really quick in the corners.
At Mid Ohio (best track yet!) TCS at 4 made the bike feel docile. At 3 it was a different animal! Maybe a smaller step would be better. Or 3.5. But it might just be the way I drive..
On board view (I only ride onboard) feels full, immersive and really nice, although the screen is more like from a BMW tourer ;)
This bike seems to have a long loading time, around 50 sec offline, compared to 25 sec for STK 1000. Is that just me? Or should it be like that.
Nope, it needs to load longer, because the file (the bike) is pretty large.
Quote from: Syd on February 15, 2017, 08:53:57 PM
To me, braking, power and grip are really good.
Handling is good (considering GP Bikes limitations) and it seems to be really quick in the corners.
At Mid Ohio (best track yet!) TCS at 4 made the bike feel docile. At 3 it was a different animal! Maybe a smaller step would be better. Or 3.5. But it might just be the way I drive..
On board view (I only ride onboard) feels full, immersive and really nice, although the screen is more like from a BMW tourer ;)
This bike seems to have a long loading time, around 50 sec offline, compared to 25 sec for STK 1000. Is that just me? Or should it be like that.
Thx for the report, the loading time for the Panigale will be decreased in the next version.
Hey, I just had a really good moment with that beast ! C'mon guys, tell the truth, you've made a cheated bike ;D ;D
I'm struggling with every bike and with this one I am powerslinding every corner exits, I dive in turns with the rear wheel in the air and sometime sliding into corners like a supermoto :D
Anyway, here are my suggestions and report :
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 15, 2017, 05:30:59 PM
Just a quick idea, the Ducati pulls the auto-clutch to early and when you are breaking with both breaks, the clutch will be pulled all the way, until you go on the gas. Would be good if you can fix that, because that is a little bit annoying, unless it is realistic, but I doubt that :D
-> +1 !!! At 100+ km/h in 2nd, the auto clutch engage. I think the 2nd gear can handle 50km/h without any problem.
-> Idle sound : c'mon guys, I'm sure you can do better !! ;)
-> When you put the handle bar on the right, full right, the buttons panel on the left handle go through the windshield
1_Clutch fixes are in the next updates changelog thread (not one read this?) :P
2_What is the problem with the idle? Its from a real Panigale ???
3_ I dont see this ???
Hi I think something is wrong with idle, bike goes like hybrid, on low speed engine turn of;P
The weight mb and loading is incomparable with other very good bikes overal is good thanks for work cheers.
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 16, 2017, 12:30:27 AM
1_Clutch fixes are in the next updates changelog thread (not one read this?) :P
Yes, I saw this, but it's part of my "review". I felt it so I write it.
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 16, 2017, 12:30:27 AM
2_What is the problem with the idle? Its from a real Panigale ???
It has been recorded with a nokia 3310 at 100 meters ?? Maybe the sound is real but it is waaaaaaay to low compared to the engine noise when in march. I think the idle sound is from a stock pani and has been recorded in poor conditions.
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 16, 2017, 12:30:27 AM
3_ I dont see this ???
You must be stopped or walk slowly with the bike, stick full right.
1_ Ok
2_ The idle sample is at good quality, not changes about this.
3_ We dont see nothing like this.
Quote from: tchemi on February 16, 2017, 10:27:54 PM
Hope you can see it here
Also if this view is impossible in the game and just with a U inversion u can see this, we will correct that too.
I can see this in 1P. I just made a replay and moved the camera so it is more visible. But it is visible in 1P ;)
Quote from: tchemi on February 17, 2017, 11:30:08 AM
But it is visible in 1P ;)
I checked now, and its impossible see it in 1p view also with fov 90. So there is no need of fixes.
P.S. Report just real problems.
Woowowo !!! :o
I don't think this is necessary to remove my previous post with the picture !!
I try to help you guys to do better mods. I can see a glitch in the 3D model. There is no reason I am the only one to see this. I will capture another picture tonight, from both 1P cameras, with different FOV.
Trust me, I didn't edited a picture just to annoy you. I detected something, I submit it to you.
Quote from: tchemi on February 17, 2017, 01:00:23 PM
Woowowo !!! :o
I don't think this is necessary to remove my previous post with the picture !!
I try to help you guys to do better mods. I can see a glitch in the 3D model. There is no reason I am the only one to see this. I will capture another picture tonight, from both 1P cameras, with different FOV.
Trust me, I didn't edited a picture just to annoy you. I detected something, I submit it to you.
Again? The post is deleted because was a impossible angle and keep clean the section.
(https://s1.postimg.org/5r6g6sjhb/Again.png) (https://postimg.org/image/ow9pgjy57/) (https://postimage.org/index.php?lang=italian)
Now stop with this stuff, other posts about it will be deleted.
NIce work man ;)
Quote from: Jose Reina on February 18, 2017, 10:42:36 PM
NIce work man ;)
Josè, we are 3 italian guys; a guy works on the phisics, a guys for the sounds/3d/2d stuff and a fast rider as tester.
Maybe it's only a visual thing, but I feel less lean angle compared to the stock Murasama and dont know exactly why.
It feels like the riders head is to close to the cockpit if youre on max lean angle. Or better...It seems that the whole cockpit (model) is a bit bigger from the size.
It's difficult to describe, so here's a screenshot:
(https://abload.de/thumb/sdfvdyfvl0utl.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=sdfvdyfvl0utl.jpg)
Are 2 very different bike, the proportions are right, used real sizes, the panigale steers are very big as in real life ( Example pic (http://blog.motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/082312-2012-ducati-1199-panigale-steering-dampert.jpg) )
1p model and 3p model is the same. Anyway the views in the next update will be a little different, hope in better.
INFO: Our current work is almost everything on the wsbk 2017 tires phisics. Because it will be used for all our actual and future bikes.
With tc set to 5 you cannot accelerate.
And what was said above; brake downshift and the engine sound stops.
Other than that nice work. :)
Quote from: Boerenlater on February 22, 2017, 08:09:42 PM
With tc set to 5 you cannot accelerate.
And what was said above; brake downshift and the engine sound stops.
Other than that nice work. :)
For the traction control thx need a little fix.
For the sounds... what? Tried just now and all samples works.
EDIT: TCS fixed
Got to say, after working out a nice setup for this bike, it is so nice. Especially on Fuji, I think, is the best track for this bike. You can take the double right with around 270 kmh and I am in love with this :)
A really nice bike :)
MCF
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 18, 2017, 11:36:42 PM
Quote from: Jose Reina on February 18, 2017, 10:42:36 PM
NIce work man ;)
Josè, we are 3 italian guys; a guy works on the phisics, a guys for the sounds/3d/2d stuff and a fast rider as tester.
Good team then. Keep going ;)
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 22, 2017, 08:49:50 PM
Quote from: Boerenlater on February 22, 2017, 08:09:42 PM
With tc set to 5 you cannot accelerate.
And what was said above; brake downshift and the engine sound stops.
Other than that nice work. :)
For the traction control thx need a little fix.
For the sounds... what? Tried just now and all samples works.
EDIT: TCS fixed
After you break and then downshift, the v twin roar is gone until you accelerate again.
Like it's at 0 rpm.
I think he is talking about the auto clutch
Will you release a template for this bike (and for the others as well, I saw a wip template for the Kawa on Mega)?
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
It is not a "wip template" ??? but a template, the templates for the other bikes are in working progress.
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on April 12, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
It is not a "wip template" ??? but a template, the templates for the other bikes are in working progress.
Ok, thanks.
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
bike is sweet !
only the idle sound is kinda distorted/pitchy..maybe cause of my Senh headset, thats what you get when you buy a gaming headset not for audio listening :))
and please NERF this bike !! ;D it has too mutch torque/stability/engine breaking ...wtf brands hatch like a breeze ? tankslaping like its cornering, no crash nothing ? =))
good job ! 8)
Guys, quick question, why do I pull in the brake all the way in and in some instances the rear comes off and in some it does not? like going at fast speed I can only touch the brakes and I do a flip, going at slow speed I can pull in the whole lever and it slows down smoothly no wheel lock up? it happens with all bikes in this set. There is no consistency.
Quote from: Tosteetos on May 13, 2017, 07:51:50 PM
at fast speed I can only touch the brakes and I do a flip
First check your controller calibration because I never see this :o
Anyway (if works) GP Bikes now has thermal brakes simulation, so the brakes discs are different in optimal temp.
Nothing to do with calibration, controller is calibrated and it doesn't happen with the SBK/stock/GP/Moto2/etc. It just feels different in all bikes from the WSBK 2017 set (love the WSBK 2017 bikes by the way, not hating, just trying to understand them more)
It is understandable that brakes will perform better at higher temps, but no matter how cold brakes are, if you pull the lever completely in, you should flip the bike at mid speeds. that's not what happens with these bikes, it almost feels like if they have an assist turned on automatically. I actually went and checked my calibration and all assists turned off. Other bikes lock up the front under heavy braking this set does not. Was wondering if that was product of maybe ABS? But then again race bikes should not have ABS, so thought I'd ask you guys what was up with that?
Thanks for the quick response always. :)
Quote from: Tosteetos on May 14, 2017, 12:59:59 AM
Nothing to do with calibration, controller is calibrated and it doesn't happen with the SBK/stock/GP/Moto2/etc. It just feels different in all bikes from the WSBK 2017 set (love the WSBK 2017 bikes by the way, not hating, just trying to understand them more)
It is understandable that brakes will perform better at higher temps, but no matter how cold brakes are, if you pull the lever completely in, you should flip the bike at mid speeds. that's not what happens with these bikes, it almost feels like if they have an assist turned on automatically. I actually went and checked my calibration and all assists turned off. Other bikes lock up the front under heavy braking this set does not. Was wondering if that was product of maybe ABS? But then again race bikes should not have ABS, so thought I'd ask you guys what was up with that?
Thanks for the quick response always. :)
try harder :P
see in settings if the RED bar representing the front brake reaches max level,
use less than 50% linearity (mine 21%) to have the front brake jump from 50% to 100% faster,
check deadzone
mine crashes :P https://youtu.be/AGOMIQqcvag (https://youtu.be/AGOMIQqcvag)
Not need change settings, and does not exist helpers at the brakes in the phisics files, and its possible see how them works in the cfg.
Here a Superpole lap with the R1 beta with the same brakes of the others set bikes, all brakings are to limit:
https://www.youtube.com/v/vMYLapw_Hgs
Maybe I'm not explaining myself right.
When you pull the brakes all the way in in a real bike (Specially a race superbike), when you grab a handful of brakes, what happens? you are going to either lock up the front and slide it or flip it if there's enough speed and grip. This is not what happens with the Panigale or any of the 2017 WSBK set. The bikes perform beautifully, but I've found the breaking isn't realistic and feels assisted and inconsistent. By the way the R1M you are riding here does not suffer from what I'm mentioning. Braking is very consistent and linear.
Anyways, it's not important, just noticed it wasn't realistic and wanted to see if it was meant to be like that, maybe ABS or something, which I think it shouldn't if it is a race bike. Try the SBK 2015 set for instance, compare both Panigales, even in torque, the 2017 feels a bit underpowered compared to the 2017. In the 2015 set, all of the bike have realistic braking, pull too much and you are going to flip the bike. I feel it's too easy and arcadish in the 2017 set.
Just an opinion, still love the bikes though.
hi Tosteetos
i went and tried this Panigale out for the first time at Mugello track, and all i can say is i had no problem locking up the front brakes on this bike, flipping myself over the bars, or any such thing.
i did it for the first time coming out of the pits, so i thought to myself, maybe you mean with warm tyres. so, i then did two laps, tried going full Chuck Norris on the front brakes, and again, no problems at all putting myself into the asphalt.
i tried at slow, medium and high speeds.
came down the straight at full tilt, hit full front brakes as i went over the line at around 300km/h, and slammed myself right over the front of the bike into the ground.
so, my record of being able to crash any bike remains unchallenged :D
it must be something to do with your settings, if not from GPB settings, maybe your controller's settings?
Maybe now someone will understand that the bike has not problem with the brakes. ::)
https://www.youtube.com/v/GKBRXR78420
P.S. For information the 2015 Panigale mod is 146kg (if for you its more realistic ok... ) and the IMT 2017 170kg... So maybe before call a mod "arcadish"... think twice.
In sbk the bike must weight a minimum of 168kg...
Quote from: Blackheart on May 15, 2017, 12:52:20 PM
P.S. For information the 2015 Panigale mod is 146kg (if for you its more realistic ok... ) and the IMT 2017 170kg... So maybe before call a mod "arcadish"... think twice.
In sbk the bike must weight a minimum of 168kg...
The SBK 2015 set is an unrealistic pile of garbage. I hardly spent 5 mins on those bikes before deleting them.
Quote from: Blackheart on May 15, 2017, 12:52:20 PM
Maybe now someone will understand that the bike has not problem with the brakes. ::)
https://www.youtube.com/v/GKBRXR78420
Same as Tosteetos, I can't do that in the video with the default setup. But I think you should be able to.
I can only do it if I increase the front leverage to 16. I presume you have set yours on 16 Blackheart?
Quote from: Syd on May 15, 2017, 06:43:55 PM
Same as Tosteetos, I can't do that in the video with the default setup. But I think you should be able to.
I can only do it if I increase the front leverage to 16. I presume you have set yours on 16 Blackheart?
18mm in the vid, I use 16 just for Superpole setups.
EDIT: Its possible flip the bike also with a lever at 20mm but not at low speed (maybe with low fuel, but not tried)
Shame in GP bikes this it is not possible :'( ( ;D )
https://www.youtube.com/v/6s5U-PAe834
Quote from: Blackheart on May 15, 2017, 08:22:58 PM
Shame in GP bikes this it is not possible :'( ( ;D )
https://www.youtube.com/v/6s5U-PAe834
That video really does show how 'Gamey' Ride 2 physics really are! Lol
Hawk.
Thanks, Syd brought some light on the subject. Changing the leverage settings fixed it. Killer brakes now. Thanks everyone!
I wasn't trying to flip the bike for the sake of flipping the bike, we don't buy GPB to flip bikes, right? I was just curious as to what was the issue ;D