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Title: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V5
Post by: Manu on May 17, 2017, 04:28:52 PM
MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo

https://www.youtube.com/v/1nClKH8HcHI
(https://s15.postimg.org/9wbbtg2az/screen005.png)
(https://s15.postimg.org/j2tmgq7jf/screen004.png)

Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Boerenlater on May 17, 2017, 05:27:56 PM
 ;D wow
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: CapeDoctor on May 17, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
ooh!ooh! let's give it a go, then!   ;D
thanks Manu!
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on May 17, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
Let's go, whooop whooop :D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Hawk on May 17, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
Looks great Manu! Nice work! Thanks mate!  ;D 8)

Hawk.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: CapeDoctor on May 18, 2017, 01:51:13 PM
well, if this is a taste of things to come, consider my appetite whetted.....
took her for a few laps around Victoria, and i thin i might be in love..... ;D
very nice to ride, i can't speak to realistic behaviors, but it sure is one of the more realistic feeling and handling bikes i've tried.
and fast...woo-hoo!  ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: vini97 on May 18, 2017, 02:05:21 PM
the bike feels very nice. handling wise it's almost perfect IMO. stability is much improved in all regards.

the only real problem is the gearbox/clutch/EB: while the upshifts are much more realistic now (no need to lift anymore), downshifting multiple gears in quick succession (like on a real MotoGP bike with seamless gearbox) no longer works.
it was much better on the old version of the 2015 bikes where you could precisely control how much the rear goes sideways over the complete braking zone.
now every downshift upsets the bike heavily and long, controlled slides into corners are basically impossible, especially when the track is a bit bumpy.

apart from that, the crank needs to be counter-rotating.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Manu on May 18, 2017, 02:34:18 PM
Thanks guys, we're really glad you like it. This is only a first contact and all issues related to physics will be solved in the final version. We know that we are on the right way but we are interested in their opinions

Again thank you very much for testing and feedback.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: RaDiCaL on May 18, 2017, 02:56:50 PM
Oooooh man...i've tested it on Mugello and it feels sooo amazing. Handling, Brakes, gearbox...everything feels absolutely great!
I love this bike !
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: vini97 on May 18, 2017, 05:38:52 PM
the swingarm could maybe use a bit more flex. i think that should reduce the shaking it induces under heavy braking.
the new front brake is great btw, you'll never run out of braking power, which is the way it should be on a MotoGP bike with carbon brakes. will take some time to get used to it, though.

btw, edited the cfg a bit: i fixed the crankshaft rotation direction and put in the "2015-v1.4 shift section" (from UpshiftTime to ReClutchTime), which works nicely with the new bike.
you can downshift all gears at once like before and you can still upshift at full throttle without highsiding, so finally something you can call seamless.
fixed cfg download (https://mega.nz/#!uAQQFJAY!bBFvxvpi4dnBGw90RjEXBfGy6CsTbFPVURDek-WZLEI)
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Reactive on May 18, 2017, 09:48:00 PM
tested on Tsukuba — love the handling! first well braking motorcycle in GPB, imo :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: r1rossi on May 19, 2017, 01:54:13 PM
Thanks Manu and team.

I cannot get any tachometers to work since installing on my Surface Pro 4??

Odd..
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on May 19, 2017, 04:48:04 PM
It feels a little bit awkward to me, not the immediate good feeling with the bike, unlike the 2015 bikes. But hey, this is a personal thing, I figured out, the other guys seem to have a good time with it :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Stout Johnson on May 20, 2017, 08:29:16 AM
MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo

While we finish the MotoGP 2017 MOD, we give us an aperitif to testing.

DOWNLOAD: https://mega.nz/#!jBszQLAC!2GSd1sr-KjgvQSGuZvmGtIlEmJq5tDo8GWD2BwPFoV0
Put PKZ file in bikes folder
If I click the mega link I get a prompt where I need a krypto key. I don't seem to be able to download without a key. Any advice?  ???
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: matty0l215 on May 20, 2017, 08:37:43 AM
Links working for me...

The key is already in the link anyway. After the -
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Stout Johnson on May 20, 2017, 09:07:29 AM
Links working for me...

The key is already in the link anyway. After the -
I don't really understand. To be precise: If I click the link, mega opens, but everything is greyed out out and I need to enter a decryption key. Never seen that before...
Similar to this http://imgur.com/o8o3buV


EDIT: nevermind, it seems to be a problem with Firefox (or some of my FF plugins). I started the link with MS IE and it worked fine. Thanks anyway Matty  :-*  :D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: matty0l215 on May 20, 2017, 09:20:07 AM
!2GSd1sr-KjgvQSGuZvmGtIlEmJq5tDo8GWD2BwPFoV0

Sorry, it's the ! not the -

The link providied contains the dcryption key (Which is after the 2nd ! in the link) So it's odd that MEGA is still requesting it...
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on May 20, 2017, 03:43:18 PM
Well, after some time, I think that this bike is a little bit too slow, even compared to the 2015 ones. The bike needs more leaning angle or it feels a little bit stiff and heavy. Just try to make it faster, because the actual bikes are breaking track reccords and this one is, when I ride it on Victoria, it is 2 secs slower then the 2015 ones, which genuinly feel faster. Am I the only one who thinks like that? Despite that, the bike is really nice to ride :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Manu on May 20, 2017, 06:34:24 PM
Well, after some time, I think that this bike is a little bit too slow, even compared to the 2015 ones. The bike needs more leaning angle or it feels a little bit stiff and heavy. Just try to make it faster, because the actual bikes are breaking track reccords and this one is, when I ride it on Victoria, it is 2 secs slower then the 2015 ones, which genuinly feel faster. Am I the only one who thinks like that? Despite that, the bike is really nice to ride :)

(https://s18.postimg.org/ltp3ipe7d/speed.png)
(https://s18.postimg.org/yjtbvsm5l/lean.png)

Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on May 20, 2017, 07:18:36 PM
BUT, these are not the 2017 ones. It looks more like the 2015 one, from the interface and so on and the bikes are faster now.

MCF
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Stout Johnson on May 21, 2017, 06:00:05 AM
There are many other reasons why we might not hit the times like in reality. And overall in making such a mod, there are so many constraints to be considered, the overall lap times are only one among many others. And it is not the most important one imo. I'd rather have a bike that handles and "feels" realistic but is a bit slower than a bike that hits the times, but has other realism issues (like hitting speeds that are not realistic or having super-grip tires which never slip or slide).

@Manu Talking about the mod, I really like the feel of the bike. Very nice job.
One question: will you also be making the KTM?
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Nicotine on May 21, 2017, 02:41:50 PM
Awesome........Thanks sir
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: RaDiCaL on May 21, 2017, 05:05:22 PM
First of all - great work ! Thanks !

Is it possible to create a paint for this beta bike? the old ones dont work for me.
And if it is possible....how?
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: CapeDoctor on May 21, 2017, 06:09:17 PM
in the meanwhile, the workaround i use is to rename the old Yamaha paint tga, which was 'carenado.tga', to 'bike.tga', and the old paints (the livery part,anyway) will show up on this model. fits pretty well.  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo
Post by: Manu on May 21, 2017, 06:52:38 PM
The complete mod 2017 will be included all 2017 livery and bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZF-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Manu on May 22, 2017, 09:06:49 PM
Demo V2:
More stable on braking
Fixed cranckshaft
Seamless gearbox
Include 2017 Skins (Maverick #25 and Rossi #46)

Download in the first post
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: davidboda46 on May 23, 2017, 01:36:31 AM
Hi Manu.

I like the bike, but I actually preferred the front end on the previous version (at least when it comes to turning). With the newer version it is much easier to tuck the front off-throttle mid corner or initial throttle input out of corners, and in banked corners, even while keeping 1/4-2/4 steady throttle (testing both versions with default settings at Mugello NDS).

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Manu on May 23, 2017, 05:04:32 AM
No changes in that aspect.

Only changed this:

More swingarm flex
Fixed cranckshaft to counter-rotating
Seamless gearbox
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: davidboda46 on May 23, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
No changes in that aspect.

Only changed this:

More swingarm flex
Fixed cranckshaft to counter-rotating
Seamless gearbox

Can it be the cranckshaft that is making the front behave differently? Or is it just me and my imagination?  :)

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Manu on May 23, 2017, 01:55:47 PM
Can it be the cranckshaft that is making the front behave differently?

Is probably
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: vini97 on May 23, 2017, 02:12:39 PM
First impression is good. You can hold tighter lines and the bike feels more agile (a bit more max. lean angle also). The new swingarm makes the bike much more stable under braking.

The front end washouts are not coming from the crankshaft (I tested v1 with counter-rot crank and it was fine).
I think the problem is the virtual rider and the relationship between front and rear grip: With more swingarm flex, the rear tyre retains grip at higher lean angles, so the virtual rider throws the bike into corners with too much lean angle which eventually results in the front tyre losing grip.
Unless you can easily increase the front tyre grip as well to compensate, I think the solution would be to tame the virtual rider a bit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Stout Johnson on May 23, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
Pretty good analysis concerning the front losses Vin. Only thing that feels different for me is that for me the rear seems to be less stable under braking. But the bike definitely turns better, which is a big plus.

As a quick wrap-up from me experience:
+ better turning

-rear seems to be "too soft", bounces around
-rear grip is strange (bike powerslides too easy imo)
-I had many front losses when trying to pick up the bike from lean (virtual rider counter steers in order to pick the bike up, which results in front loss); had that very rarely in previous version
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Manu on May 23, 2017, 03:14:38 PM
thanks guys good analysis. I will continue to do more tests during the week according to your comments. I would like to have a good physics prepared for the full version 2017 bikes set.  V3 Demo soon.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: vini97 on May 23, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
Compare v1 and v2 at the Nürburgring (specifically braking hard into turn 1, 8 and 11), Stout.
The necessity of increased swingarm flex should become apparent.


Ok, thanks for the quick work, Manu!
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: r1rossi on May 23, 2017, 03:46:56 PM
Anyone know why no bikes dash are working on my Surface pro 4? All bikes not just these

Since I installed nothing works on dash.. Only the shift lights no digital stuff..
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Blackheart on May 23, 2017, 03:53:35 PM
Anyone know why no bikes dash are working on my Surface pro 4? All bikes not just these

Since I installed nothing works on dash.. Only the shift lights no digital stuff..

Its a issue with the integrated graphics card. I think you can't fix it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Stout Johnson on May 23, 2017, 04:05:35 PM
Compare v1 and v2 at the Nürburgring (specifically braking hard into turn 1, 8 and 11), Stout.
The necessity of increased swingarm flex should become apparent.
I believe you and I do not question the necessity of more swingarm flex. But maybe it flexes too easily, maybe should have more resistance? I have only tested on Bugatti (LeMans) and I found that when braking hard and shifting down hard, the rear bounces around like wild.

@Manu: Thanks for the good work.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: CapeDoctor on May 23, 2017, 05:02:58 PM
i've been putting this bike through it's paces, and all sorts of silly stress tests, primarily Victoria and Mugello circuit.
i've had 4 core crashes with this bike in roughly the same situation - under heavy braking for the first (San Donato) corner, in each case i got the back wheel out of shape, quite a bit off line (closer to track center) and as the back wheel bounces once or twice, then - ding! core crash.
no such issues at Victoria, so far.
otherwise, no real issues.
it's not really suited to my personal style(waiting for that Suzuki), but it's really well-behaved for a GPB bike  :D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Manu on May 23, 2017, 07:32:14 PM
Anyone know why no bikes dash are working on my Surface pro 4? All bikes not just these

Since I installed nothing works on dash.. Only the shift lights no digital stuff..

I don't know about this issue but, try to unpack the .pkz file into the bikes folder and try again. Good luck.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: RaDiCaL on May 25, 2017, 12:07:42 AM
feels too stable for me....should be a motogp beast or not?!
When i watch Motogp on TV no M1 Looks so stable like this one ( maybe Lorenzo 2016   :D ). It's very difficult to slide into the Corner.
In my opinion the V1 is the better Version
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Nicotine on May 25, 2017, 07:11:32 AM
happened to me.....
replay mode, Losail Circuit

(https://s13.postimg.org/42bbw7qdj/fix.jpg)
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Manu on May 25, 2017, 08:40:49 AM
The track surface does not match to the visual surface.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: vini97 on May 25, 2017, 12:49:38 PM
feels too stable for me....should be a motogp beast or not?!
When i watch Motogp on TV no M1 Looks so stable like this one ( maybe Lorenzo 2016   :D ). It's very difficult to slide into the Corner.
In my opinion the V1 is the better Version
What direct lean value are you using?


@Manu: Could you remove the windscreen shade from the "default paint"? Looks cool but actually makes it difficult to spot the corner entry sometimes in 1P.

Also, here are a few minor cosmetic things I noticed:
Forks blending into that little carbon thing
(http://i.imgur.com/fD7m9Kj.jpg)
Swingarm needs more clearance for the chain
(http://i.imgur.com/CzoE22o.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pNtE0rt.jpg)

Lastly, is there something you can do to keep the rider's fingers on the levers at all times?
https://www.youtube.com/v/ABKXBSoK73E
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: RaDiCaL on May 25, 2017, 02:50:28 PM
i'm using Default Settings (15% with automatic lean) and i think if i use more direct lean it doesnt feel realistic.
I only ride in 3rd Person so the movement of the rider seems to be perfect for me on 15% and i dont want to Change it only for this mod.
WSBK 15/17, Moto2 No bike of them is so stable in braking zones like the new Version of this motogp mod (the fastest and most powerful bike of this list) and it feels unrealistic for me.
In the older Versions (Motogp15 and first 17 mod) i have to be more carefully and i have to work on a good Feeling on the bike for a good laptime and thats fun for me.
I dont want to criticize this mod and i'm really really thankful that there a People out there (Like manu, Blackheart and all others) who put a lot of work in These mods....it's only my opinion!

-Michael
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: connorhall70 on May 25, 2017, 04:24:51 PM
Great work. love it :) thank you
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Nicotine on May 26, 2017, 08:29:03 AM
happened to me.....
replay mode, Losail Circuit

(https://s13.postimg.org/42bbw7qdj/fix.jpg)

i think this problem not come form Bikes, but form Track.....i try other bike on this track, and i got same condition
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Hawk on May 26, 2017, 11:11:26 AM
This can happen when changes are made in the 3D track model and only the .map or only the .trp(collision) are exported for the change; hence the tyres can appear to go below the track surface or even above it.
This is not related to the replay issue of the tyres lifting off the track surface when leaning the bike from left to right and vice versa.

Hawk.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: CapeDoctor on May 26, 2017, 12:25:14 PM

This is not related to the replay issue of the tyres lifting off the track surface when leaning the bike from left to right and vice versa.


thanks for clearing that up, mate - i was considering posting about bikes in replays with their wheels a few inches off the tarmac.
it was really messing with my ability to take a nice screenshot, lol    ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Hawk on May 26, 2017, 03:03:35 PM

This is not related to the replay issue of the tyres lifting off the track surface when leaning the bike from left to right and vice versa.


thanks for clearing that up, mate - i was considering posting about bikes in replays with their wheels a few inches off the tarmac.
it was really messing with my ability to take a nice screenshot, lol    ;D

That's not to say it's always the same problem causing it..... It can be caused, I believe, if the bike modder hasn't sized the wheels up correctly according to the data in the physics files?
Also there is still the replay bug where the wheels, particularly the front wheel lifts off the ground when lifting the bike out of a lean on corner exits(particularly noticeable when going through a chicane complex).  :)

Hawk.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on May 26, 2017, 03:34:21 PM
I have to say, I like the newer version more, but I have to agree that the bike seems a little bit to tame.

MCF
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: CapeDoctor on May 26, 2017, 03:38:30 PM
i don't think the bike's too tame, i believe it's a placebo effect of the bike sound being too tame. lol :D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on May 26, 2017, 04:03:57 PM
i don't think the bike's too tame, i believe it's a placebo effect of the bike sound being too tame. lol :D

Maybe  ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Daniel_F on May 27, 2017, 08:55:23 AM
Link doesnt work for me :/
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Manu on May 27, 2017, 10:47:45 AM
NEW V3 DEMO.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: RaDiCaL on May 27, 2017, 01:42:02 PM
I love it ! Thank you!
Feels way better than the previous Version for me.


-Michael
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: gpracer on May 27, 2017, 03:06:32 PM
Great work! Thanks, Manu
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: KliPPiE on May 27, 2017, 03:16:06 PM
Great work Manu cant wait for you to release the rest of the set could certainly be a great class to ride

Keep it up mate !
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Nicotine on May 29, 2017, 10:44:00 AM
Great Work Manu.......This Mods will kill the MotoGP 17 (Milestone)

I hope you will realease all MotoGP 2017 bikes soon, i can't wait it.........Thanks man....you are the best
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: davidboda46 on May 29, 2017, 06:29:54 PM
Hi Manu.

For me, the bike still has issues with loosing the front, the same since V2. I guess the problem is embedded in GPB:s virtual rider vs bike movement. V1 did not have the problem but the bike had the tendency to go wide and was not as agile as V2 and V3. Now those problems are gone but the front wheel loss when adding throttle or trying to stand the bike up from full lean is very obvious. Maybe there isn't an answer to the problem until Piboso smooths out the virtual rider's inputs. Appreciate all your work Manu and don't take this as personal criticism, but for me the bike is too hard to ride as it is at the moment.

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46 
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Manu on May 29, 2017, 11:31:11 PM
Try with different direct lean values.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: vini97 on May 30, 2017, 12:23:01 AM
Lower direct lean values won't solve the off-throttle washouts when rolling into a corner.
I have to agree with david concerning V3.
IMO V2 offered a better compromise, V3 went in the wrong direction. Even though the bike itself feels better, the virtual rider appears more aggressive.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Manu on May 30, 2017, 07:39:04 AM
I'm afraid you have a configuration problem. The virtual rider is the same in all versions. From V1 to V3 has not changed anything in that aspect. If you read the comments you will see that no one has reported those problems that you have.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: davidboda46 on May 30, 2017, 10:41:44 AM
Unfortunately, with my custom controller, lowering the direct lean is not an option since it creates a terrible input lag.

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: vini97 on May 30, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
Then it's the changes to the bike that make the virtual rider ride too aggressively (thinking there is still enough front grip when really there is no more).
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Manu on May 30, 2017, 11:58:17 AM
I use direct lean to 100% with a custom controller (handlebar coupled to a adapted g27 with throttle grip and front brake/clutch levers) and I've never had problems with losing the front.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: vini97 on May 30, 2017, 12:35:45 PM
I'll upload a short video showing front washouts at almost every corner at Nürburgring.
The front tyre is overheating like in older versions of the 2015 MotoGP bikes, so as you said, it has nothing to do with the virtual rider (or controls/input device).
Do you remember how you fixed those issues back then? Maybe moving the CoG back?
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: RaDiCaL on May 30, 2017, 04:23:38 PM
I know i'm not the reference but i have no Problems with the front and i think cornering is much better than the previous Version.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Manu on May 30, 2017, 04:25:48 PM
I'll upload a short video showing front washouts at almost every corner at Nürburgring.
The front tyre is overheating like in older versions of the 2015 MotoGP bikes, so as you said, it has nothing to do with the virtual rider (or controls/input device).

Nürburgring is not the most appropriate track for testing since it is a very bumpy. However Victoria circuit would be the most appropriate.

Quote
Do you remember how you fixed those issues back then? Maybe moving the CoG back?

I don't see as necessary. I don't have any problems with the bike as well as most of those who have tried it. I insist that your problems are related to the input device.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: vini97 on May 30, 2017, 07:36:51 PM
Maybe not everybody who posted here has pushed the bike like david and me have. We both have the same problems and use a totally different input device.
The front tucks in even when there no bumps and when there is no change in steering input (which would be related to direct lean / input device).
Also, I can see in the pit that the front tyre is overheating. It was exactly the same with the first betas of the 2015 bikes.

Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/v/QPX8WRYzsIg
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Manu on May 30, 2017, 09:45:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/VPrs4S1obUE

TYRE TEMPERATURE TEST

https://www.youtube.com/v/Q7LGVlW0YM8
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: davidboda46 on May 30, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
If it is related to input problems, wouldn't it be fair to say that I would have had the same issues with V1, which I didn't (All three versions were tested with the same input device, same default bike settings on the same track with the same asphalt temperature)? Again, not picking a fight or anything, just trying to figure it out :)

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: vini97 on May 30, 2017, 10:45:54 PM
I don't know what that is supposed to prove.
Sure, you can tiptoe around and avoid the issues at Victoria but if you push hard on basically every other track, front tyre pressure will go beyond 1.5bar and make the bike lowside everywhere.
BTW, this is all talking about soft tyres. Medium and hard are completely unusable so a full race distance would be impossible.

Edit: Another thing I noticed is that the bike does not wheelie enough IMO.
Would fit my suspicion that the center of gravity is too far forward.
Don't get me wrong, the bike is a joy to ride on smooth tracks without much camber but there are simply a few things that are not quite right yet.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Become dust on June 01, 2017, 05:16:28 PM
I don't know what that is supposed to prove.
Sure, you can tiptoe around and avoid the issues at Victoria but if you push hard on basically every other track, front tyre pressure will go beyond 1.5bar and make the bike lowside everywhere.
BTW, this is all talking about soft tyres. Medium and hard are completely unusable so a full race distance would be impossible.

Edit: Another thing I noticed is that the bike does not wheelie enough IMO.
Would fit my suspicion that the center of gravity is too far forward.
Don't get me wrong, the bike is a joy to ride on smooth tracks without much camber but there are simply a few things that are not quite right yet.

i suspect a too low center of gravity, i noticed how breaking and accelrating does not affect the bike that much >_>
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: YaGo04 on June 02, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
Hello Manu
I think this is the best Version ;), because when you drive it looks real and you can also drive smooth or aggresiv.
Cornering is much better than the previous Version for me.
I know that i am not fast,so i have got not the same Problems like vini.
For me its the best Version.
Keep working

Yago




Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Manu on June 05, 2017, 10:53:31 PM
thecrivi28 & Manu testing YAMAHA YZR-M1 2017 - DEMO V4 (Private)

https://www.youtube.com/v/EE2qpGUfbOE
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Nicotine on June 06, 2017, 01:25:43 PM
thecrivi28 & Manu testing YAMAHA YZR-M1 2017 - DEMO V4 (Private)

https://www.youtube.com/v/EE2qpGUfbOE

this version almost final version?
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: Napalm Nick on June 06, 2017, 02:21:28 PM
Looking good!

On the straight you can see Crivis rear tyre disappearing into tarmac?  ???
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V3
Post by: vini97 on June 07, 2017, 10:36:15 AM
cool, what are the changes?
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Manu on June 08, 2017, 04:27:42 AM
Demo V4:

Improved general bike stability
New Gear Ratios
Tuning Engine Maps
Tuning Tyres

Download link in the first post
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: RaDiCaL on June 08, 2017, 03:17:32 PM
Great work, so much fun !
Thank you !
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: davidboda46 on June 09, 2017, 04:51:15 AM
Thanks for the latest update Manu. The front now is much better for me than with V3.

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: vini97 on June 09, 2017, 12:30:20 PM
only did a few laps but it already feels much better!
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: CapeDoctor on June 09, 2017, 03:17:31 PM
v4 is the best version so far, imo.  ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Become dust on June 09, 2017, 05:03:42 PM
it feels a lot more stable than the motogp 2015 yamaha, i feel like it can be pushed harder....
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Ryanoh4 on June 10, 2017, 05:51:44 AM
Loving the bike manu great work, to me v4 downshifts are much worse than v3 now it feels like there is gear change lag and the back end kicks out like a moto2 bike and sometimes it doesn't go in to gear when changing just makes the noise but stays in gear, to me the gearing was perfect :'( how come you changed?
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Manu on June 10, 2017, 07:22:06 AM
No changes in that aspect. Only gear ratios have changed. Do not use old setups. They will cause problems.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: poumpouny on June 10, 2017, 10:05:20 AM
wow ! i love the sound, the 2015 one sound like 2 strokes scooter ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Ryanoh4 on June 10, 2017, 11:31:34 AM
Manu have you got a V3 download? I forgot to back my one up
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on June 10, 2017, 04:59:55 PM
The bike feels very nice, keep it up :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Ryanoh4 on June 11, 2017, 07:30:27 AM
Deleted original V4 and downloaded a fresh one, tried to join Catalunya online server and got bike unknown to server I was literally just on it?
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Manu on June 11, 2017, 07:56:36 AM
The bike version of the server is old. Maybe V3 or V2
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: PeterV on June 11, 2017, 08:32:01 AM
Caws server uses the latest bikemod (v300) so the M1 on there is the V3.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: matty0l215 on June 11, 2017, 03:06:15 PM
V4 will be out on the 14th in the bikemod
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: RaDiCaL on June 11, 2017, 04:48:04 PM
Loving the bike manu great work, to me v4 downshifts are much worse than v3 now it feels like there is gear change lag and the back end kicks out like a moto2 bike and sometimes it doesn't go in to gear when changing just makes the noise but stays in gear, to me the gearing was perfect :'( how come you changed?

I have the same problem since the rebuild of the "old" motogp mod, that means in the versions v1-v3. I hear the sound of the downshift but it stays in the actual gear and sometimes i have to press the button 3 or 4 times to change a gear...and thats a huge problem in hard braking zones. The old mod had no problem like this.
I think the problem doesnt exist in the new Version V4 (i hope so) because the gearbox is more "seamless". For me it feels great !
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Manu on June 11, 2017, 05:42:05 PM
What track are you having those problems? I would like to try to reproduce it but for the moment we have not had the problem that you mention.

PD.  You can try it without waiting for the bikemod on the 14th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: h106frp on June 11, 2017, 08:43:39 PM
Remember to delete old setups before installing bike updates as this can cause all sorts of strange behaviour.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: RaDiCaL on June 11, 2017, 11:31:07 PM
The Problem with the downshifts was in the reworked Motogp15 mod, Not in the motogp17 versions.
My previous Description was wrong. The Motogp 17 mod has the Sesamöles gearbox and there is no Problem at all. I am sorry, this was my fault.
The new 17 m1 feels great and i cant wait to test the other bikes 😁
I was probably a little confused 🤔
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: davidboda46 on June 12, 2017, 11:53:16 PM
When about half to 3/4 lean, and adding throttle, and/or standing the bike up, the bike starts to head-shake like crazy. You have to shut the throttle otherwise it gets out of hand and you crash. Watch the second lap (it's about a 1.35 lap), did not push hard enough on the first one, and you'll see what I mean. Is anyone else having this problem, or is it me, or/and, my controller? Bike settings makes little difference. Same thing with default as with tweaks. (watch on youtube for full screen 720p)
http://www.youtube.com/v/e8GjgfJgB8E

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Ryanoh4 on June 13, 2017, 07:11:22 AM
Yea I get the head shake too, I'm used to it now though the 2015 motogp bikes were the same try the 2015 ducati...
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V4
Post by: Manu on June 13, 2017, 10:39:58 AM
We are aware of the problems, we are working on the latest demo version that we will release today. We have solved the problems of stability of the steering as well as some errors in the tires.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V5
Post by: Manu on June 13, 2017, 06:16:25 PM
Demo V5:

Improved general bike stability
Tuning Engine maps
Tyres optimizations
Added asymetric tyres

Download in first post

Note: This is the last DEMO Update. We are very satisfied with the final result that will serve as the basis for the final version of the Motogp17 mod which we will publish very soon. Thanks for collaborating with us!.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V5
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on June 13, 2017, 07:08:43 PM
Man, you are a legend :D I am really hyped for the complete mod. Will there be other demos for the other bikes or are you guys just going from here and give us the final result and then you fix some issues?
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V5
Post by: Manu on June 13, 2017, 07:19:03 PM
We will release the bikes as they end
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Nicotine on June 15, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
(https://s23.postimg.org/du3gndd1j/image.jpg)

(https://s12.postimg.org/v3fts154p/image.jpg)

Hi, Manu....i have missing rear tyre problem and no sound.......when i get crash, sound is appear, how to fix it?

Thank You
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V5
Post by: Manu on June 15, 2017, 10:13:58 PM
 :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V5
Post by: vini97 on June 15, 2017, 11:46:51 PM
no complaints about the bike (pretty much perfect IMO) but could the medium and specifically hard tyre maybe be modified to handle more aggressive riding?
after two reasonably fast laps the rear tyre is sliding all over the place and the pressure goes beyond 1.6bar.

the soft tyres obviously won't last a full race distance so i think we will have a problem once we organize some races.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V2
Post by: Nicotine on June 16, 2017, 11:03:34 AM
(https://s23.postimg.org/du3gndd1j/image.jpg)

(https://s12.postimg.org/v3fts154p/image.jpg)

Hi, Manu....i have missing rear tyre problem and no sound.......when i get crash, sound is appear, how to fix it?

Thank You

Problem solved  ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V5
Post by: Hawk on June 16, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
What was the solution Nicotine?  ;D

Hawk.
Title: Re: MotoGP 17 - YZR-M1 - Demo V5
Post by: Nicotine on June 19, 2017, 07:26:49 AM
What was the solution Nicotine?  ;D

Hawk.
i try to reinstall GP-Bikes.exe Hawk  ;)