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Title: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Joeski on August 05, 2017, 02:19:53 PM
I'm sure i'm not alone here, but as a newbie to GPB, and simulators/PC gaming in general...i'm really struggling!

I downloaded GPB back in February and feel like i've progressed about 0.2%...if my GPB timeline was evolution, i'd still be bacteria floating around in the ocean.

I've played it on and off since Feb, totalling probably around 300 laps of Victoria...i'd say 5-10% of those are without crashing. As a general rule I probably crash 2-3 times a lap, which means i'm now great at doing u-turns and slow manouvers....but let's face it, i'm not here to do my CBT.

I've tried slow and steady and i've tried riding the bike pretending i'm Rossi. I've tried stock 600's, 125 2 strokes, GP, moto2 bikes but it just seems like luck if I complete a lap without crashing no matter how or what I ride.

So i'm here asking....begging...pleading for any tips for a complete rookie like me - please, before my laptop feels the wrath of the living room window!!

I dunno, maybe I should just stick to watching motorbike racing and playing candycrush  :-[
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Hawk on August 05, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
Welcome aboard Joeski!  ;D

Firstly it would help if you told us what controller and controller settings you have, because setting up your controller correctly for your style of riding is a must, and we can give you some tips there which will probably help a great deal.  :)

Hawk
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Joeski on August 05, 2017, 04:16:54 PM
Hi Hawk!

Yes, I suppose some actual information may indeed help, rather than me just whinging...

So i'm using a fairly old genuine 360 pad - I also have a One controller so I was thinking of upgrading my PC wireless reciever if you think it's worth it?

As for settings I have the following:

Direct Lean - 15%

Lean
DZ - 15%
Lin - 50%

Throttle/Braking
DZ - 0%
Lin - 100%

Rear Brake/Clutch
DZ - 20%
Lin - 50%

As I mentioned, i'm a complete newbie with PC gaming/sims so not sure what to look for/change really!

The bike i've had most success with is the 125GP - I like the seamless up/down shifts without need to clutch, and trail braking seems to be quite easy compared to something like the CBR 600. But the lack of edge grip seems to keep catching me out when I start to get any confidence...

Thanks in advance for any help!
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Meyer#12 on August 05, 2017, 06:20:59 PM
Seems to be quite similar to my setup, i started using xbox 360 controller and later changed to One controller. It can be connected with UsB too, that is what i do :)

I prefer the xbox One controller for GPB.

The 125GP have a few issues with front folds when you lean fully. It is not the easiest bike to ride. Maybe try the moto3 bikes if you want something that is not too fast and that you can practice with.

For me it also took about half a year before i started doing decent laps without crashing all the time. The best way is to go online and practice with people and try not to push too hard but steadily improve your pace like you would do on a real bike
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Joeski on August 06, 2017, 10:34:19 AM
Thanks Meyer, I'll give a Moto3 bike a try...I've just tried a 2016 R6 Cup which felt a lot nicer and easier to turn in than the CBR I was using so i'll try with that as well.

How do I get online with it? Literally the only thing i've done is lap Philp Island very slowly so i'm not sure the world's ready for my shocking riding yet  ;D

Xbox One reciever is on order!
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: uberslug on August 06, 2017, 11:24:54 AM
You might want to try a different track. For the life of me I can not figure out my way around Victoria. I have been able to circulate Brno at a competitive real life pace on a Moto2 bike but can not make my way around Victoria no matter how slow I go. I started playing around with GP-Bikes at the same time you did.

I now do most of my riding on the CBR600RR [it has the most realistic sound] and have managed a 3:58 on the Ulster Circuit and a 3:02 on Spa-Francorchamps. These times are not exactly world class but I can do quite a few laps at a time. My personal best is 23 laps of Brno on the Murasama 990 which was long enough to shred the tires.

I do go through periods where it seems like I spend more time crashing than I do upright but then I figure something out and it gets less frustrating.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Blackheart on August 06, 2017, 01:07:59 PM
The best controller for GPB is the GPX, the 99% of the players here use it  ;)
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: doubledragoncc on August 06, 2017, 08:35:36 PM
Bollocks Blacky the best controller is the Hs2 lol

Wheres the naked CBR900 bro it would be better than sex
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: tchemi on August 08, 2017, 07:16:33 AM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 06, 2017, 01:07:59 PM
The best controller for GPB is the GPX, the 99% of the players here use it  ;)

I have a GPX and I'm looking for a substitute. I have really large hands and the texture of the pad makes it slippery. At the end of a 40min race, I have pain in my hands and fingers. For me, it is a very good and afordable controller, but not a really good one. It is made for children hands like most of the controller these days.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Blackheart on August 08, 2017, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: tchemi on August 08, 2017, 07:16:33 AM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 06, 2017, 01:07:59 PM
The best controller for GPB is the GPX, the 99% of the players here use it  ;)

I have a GPX and I'm looking for a substitute. I have really large hands and the texture of the pad makes it slippery. At the end of a 40min race, I have pain in my hands and fingers. For me, it is a very good and afordable controller, but not a really good one. It is made for children hands like most of the controller these days.

I have 32 y for 1.85h, my hands are not very small lol, imho the GPX has normal sizes and perfect triggers... so yes is the best one for me :P
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: tchemi on August 08, 2017, 10:22:30 AM
Yes, triggers are good, that's true ! And the left joystick is well placed. But the hard plastic and the shape of the controller makes it hard for me, especially on left corners. It is ok when practicing, but with the tension of the race, my hands shake and get sweaty.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: h106frp on August 08, 2017, 11:43:50 AM
What about wrapping the handles with fabric bicycle handle bar tape? Cheap and you could build it up to what ever size you want and get rid of the plasticky feel.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: tchemi on August 08, 2017, 11:57:56 AM
brilliant !!

I tried with a sort of foam that dries hard. But it wasn't really good. I have some tennis racket grip at home. I will give it a try !
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 08, 2017, 12:14:22 PM
If I'm not wrong, the Ferrari version of the GPX ( ::) ) has some sort of better grip than the two other versions.
I have it at home (both versions, the reg one and the ferrari one) but I can't remember for sure (and I'm away for 2 weeks).

Anyway, the pain you have after a 40min race is surely due to your own tension/stress: I recall exactly the same for my first few races.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Blackheart on August 08, 2017, 01:15:47 PM
Imho 40 min consecutive with a gamepad in GP Bikes are too much, for this reason I prefer short races or free practices  :P

Here 2 my controller, the only mod are the green thumb grip ( help a lot with the bike lean)

(https://s1.postimg.org/mfyxqyqzv/Pads.png) (https://postimg.org/image/mfyxqyqzv/)
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: tchemi on August 09, 2017, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 08, 2017, 12:14:22 PM
Anyway, the pain you have after a 40min race is surely due to your own tension/stress: I recall exactly the same for my first few races.

I only have pain in the left hand and the left corners are the worse. It's is mainly due to the fact that the pad get a little bit sliperry and I can't grab it in full hand. It puts a lot of tension in the thumb and the 2 last fingers... Anyway...

Quote from: Blackheart on August 08, 2017, 01:15:47 PM
Here 2 my controller, the only mod are the green thumb grip ( help a lot with the bike lean)

Where do you buy it ?
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Blackheart on August 09, 2017, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 09, 2017, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 08, 2017, 01:15:47 PM
Here 2 my controller, the only mod are the green thumb grip ( help a lot with the bike lean)

Where do you buy it ?

I think Aliexpress (a China e-market) but im not sure, I had bought them a 1  year ago.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: h106frp on August 09, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
You can get them on ebay as well (ps 2 thumb grips) , you get a pack with 2 each of 2 different heights
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Joeski on August 10, 2017, 06:25:22 AM
Do you think the GPX is worth forking out for then rather than a One pad?
I like the look of those thumb grips, i do feel like a lot of my issues are due to lack of control on the pad - its not easy to remain consistent when your thumb keeps slipping off the thumbstick because all the rubber's perrished  ;D
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: h106frp on August 10, 2017, 08:24:03 AM
The tall pad has been on my GPX direction stick for months - seems better with the little bit of extra lean resolution it provides -  only cost pennies for the set anyway.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Joeski on August 13, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
ok so i've had a bit of a breakthrough....although some may call it a defeat  :o

I tried out the new Catalunya classic track by CAWS team and instantly felt more at home and confident with the bike...but still found it hard to get the bike moving to the line I wanted it to whilst still having stupid crashes as a result of being in the wrong place on track.

Solution - 3rd person view!

I'm no mathmetician, but i'd say it's around 1 million % easier than the onboard cameras. I know, I know, it's the easy way out, but after playing for so many months and not getting anywhere, straight away i'm lapping catalunya consistently around the 1.55's...and only crashing when I'm pushing on a bit, rather than wobbling onto the grass at 10mph like before.

I love this sim again  8)
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Warlock on August 13, 2017, 03:00:30 PM
Have you tried this view?

http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4649.0

For me, onboard view is the only way to go and this one helped me a lot
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: TimboC137 on August 13, 2017, 04:06:53 PM
I would like to try that view. Are you referring to changing the profile.ini to
[view]
mode = 1
?
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 13, 2017, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: TimboC137 on August 13, 2017, 04:06:53 PM
I would like to try that view. Are you referring to changing the profile.ini to
[view]
mode = 1
?
Yes.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: tchemi on August 13, 2017, 06:56:01 PM
This mode changes everything in the confort and the natural feeling. Also, If you have a trackir or a head tracker, Once you have good feelings with the 1st Person view, you can't go back to 3rd P
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Joeski on August 14, 2017, 10:29:46 AM
wow...what a difference a view makes!

Just done one cheeky lap with the new onboard view and it seems instantly much better. I think with the standard helmet cam, it's easy to lose confidence with all of the wobbles and shakes you get from the bike whereas this view removes a lot of that, which for a novice is great  8)

I can stop "cheating" with 3rd person view now, thanks!
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Hawk on August 14, 2017, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: Joeski on August 14, 2017, 10:29:46 AM
wow...what a difference a view makes!

Just done one cheeky lap with the new onboard view and it seems instantly much better. I think with the standard helmet cam, it's easy to lose confidence with all of the wobbles and shakes you get from the bike whereas this view removes a lot of that, which for a novice is great  8)

I can stop "cheating" with 3rd person view now, thanks!

Sounds great mate.... Might even try it myself!  ;D

Just to say that when you see the likes of riders like Warlock racing around and seeing how fast and well they race, it just goes to show that even though riding in first person takes a lot of practice to get used to using at first, it certainly does pay dividends in the end and is a credit to those riders dedication in showing that it is possible to compete in races against 3rd person view riders.  Credit were it's due to these riders for sure!  ;) 8)

Hawk.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Joeski on August 14, 2017, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: Hawk on August 14, 2017, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: Joeski on August 14, 2017, 10:29:46 AM
wow...what a difference a view makes!

Just done one cheeky lap with the new onboard view and it seems instantly much better. I think with the standard helmet cam, it's easy to lose confidence with all of the wobbles and shakes you get from the bike whereas this view removes a lot of that, which for a novice is great  8)

I can stop "cheating" with 3rd person view now, thanks!

Sounds great mate.... Might even try it myself!  ;D

Just to say that when you see the likes of riders like Warlock racing around and seeing how fast and well they race, it just goes to show that even though riding in first person takes a lot of practice to get used to using at first, it certainly does pay dividends in the end and is a credit to those riders dedication in showing that it is possible to compete in races against 3rd person view riders.  Credit were it's due to these riders for sure!  ;) 8)

Hawk.

Fair play, I imagine a race is insane in 1st person view  ;D

Totally agree with you mate, the feeling you get with GPB with riding 1st person is just immense - the sounds, the distance to the tarmac, the bumps etc really add to an amazing experience. But after 6 months of getting nowhere I instantly felt more comfortable and confident with 3rd person....but I also felt dirty lol.

Looking forward to spending some more time with this improved view though, even after just one lap I found I could put the bike on the line I wanted it, rather than just pot luck!

Will be upgrading to the One pad this week as well so hoping for some more improvements.

Thanks guys,
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Warlock on August 14, 2017, 04:44:07 PM
Quote from: Hawk on August 14, 2017, 01:36:53 PM
Sounds great mate.... Might even try it myself!  ;D

Just to say that when you see the likes of riders like Warlock racing around and seeing how fast and well they race, it just goes to show that even though riding in first person takes a lot of practice to get used to using at first, it certainly does pay dividends in the end and is a credit to those riders dedication in showing that it is possible to compete in races against 3rd person view riders.  Credit were it's due to these riders for sure!  ;) 8)

Hawk.

Thank you very much m8, appreciate it.

I wish many others take the realistic side of the sim, not only the realistic but the way it makes it a sim instead of a game and the way you really feel like riding a bike, total fun. I do understand is very difficult to switch from 3rd P to onboard once you got used to 3rd. But i took the decision many many years ago when i bought Microprose GP500 in.... 1998? (wow thats a long time ago lol), never looked back.

So i look forward to others taking the same decision from start , will be much easier this way.
I also wish Piboso to set this mode1 helmet view as the default one in GPB. Cos i think is the right one, and may get more people involved in hardcore mode.

Go for it Joeski !  :)

Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Grooveski on August 22, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Warlock on August 14, 2017, 04:44:07 PMI do understand is very difficult to switch from 3rd P to onboard...

It's not that hard - you just press V.   :P

Was just wondering - do you miss the tyre squeal sound that GP500 had?
I know it was bogus and bike tyres don't squeal but I have a real hard time knowing what's going on at the back end without it.
Wasn't a problem last time we all played 1p because the little MV doesn't spin up - is a problem(for me anyway) on bigger/peakier bikes.

I mind trying 1p on day one with GPB.  The upcoming race was 500s at the A1Ring and it was Beta7(with the non-stop headshakes).
Let's just say it wasn't pretty.  ;D

Mode 1 activated.  Thanks for brining it back up again - I'd forgotton about it.    :)
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 22, 2017, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: Grooveski on August 22, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Warlock on August 14, 2017, 04:44:07 PMI do understand is very difficult to switch from 3rd P to onboard...

It's not that hard - you just press V.   :P

ROFL ! :)
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Warlock on August 22, 2017, 05:45:11 PM
Quote from: Grooveski on August 22, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Warlock on August 14, 2017, 04:44:07 PMI do understand is very difficult to switch from 3rd P to onboard...

It's not that hard - you just press V.   :P


Hahahahah indeed is very easy ;D


Quote from: Grooveski on August 22, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
Was just wondering - do you miss the tyre squeal sound that GP500 had?
I know it was bogus and bike tyres don't squeal but I have a real hard time knowing what's going on at the back end without it.
Not really m8, i dont like those kind of fixed sounds, also dont like the actual rear brake sound.
You get used to more of a visual feedback (that feeling of ."mmm something is not going as spected" lol) that in my mind somehow translates to a physical feedback. Difficult to explain, must be memories of my real riding days that come back when im playing GPB. With some bikes and certain tracks combo is just amazing how much 'feeling' you can get from a visual thing.



Quote from: Grooveski on August 22, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
I mind trying 1p on day one with GPB.  The upcoming race was 500s at the A1Ring and it was Beta7(with the non-stop headshakes).
Let's just say it wasn't pretty.  ;D

hahahah very true

Quote from: Grooveski on August 22, 2017, 11:50:44 AM
Mode 1 activated.  Thanks for brining it back up again - I'd forgotton about it.    :)
Yeah thankfully we have that option, i struggled a lot  with the default helmet view when bikes started to move quite a bit in older betas.
I became a better rider again after this mode was enabled. Thanks for that Piboso, i asked for something like this quite a lot.

Anyway other riders are way faster then me in onboard view, Kerazo just to name one of them
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Grooveski on August 23, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Warlock on August 22, 2017, 05:45:11 PM
You get used to more of a visual feedback (that feeling of ."mmm something is not going as spected" lol) that in my mind somehow translates to a physical feedback. Difficult to explain, must be memories of my real riding days that come back when im playing GPB. With some bikes and certain tracks combo is just amazing how much 'feeling' you can get from a visual thing.

When you're really riding you can feel what's going on.  I know what you mean about visual indicators but all too often the first I know of the back tyre breaking free is when it appears on the screen in front of me.    :-[

Does GPB have force-feedback?
For that I mean - traction loss?
I tore out the little motors from my pad years ago(some rally game was making my fingers numb and it made it lighter for one-handed use on bike games) but was toying with replacing it anyway for something with two analog triggers per side instead of just the one.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 03:09:08 PM
If you find a good controller with 2 triggers per side or, the ability to use shoulders buttons and triggers at the same time, Let me know please ! I'm searching for the gem for months and months

What I mean by shoulder button and trigger at the same time ? On a Xbox or PS controller, most of you guys use your middle finger for the triggers and indexes for the shoulder button. That means taht, as your thumbs are busy operating the joysticks and other buttons, you only hold the pad between your palm and your two last fingers (the weakier of the hand).

Personnaly, I can't ride like this more than 1 minute. I need a good grab !

Maybe something like that
(https://www.windowscentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/larger_wm_brw/public/field/image/2015/12/Razer-Wildcat-controller-rear-removable-triggers.jpg?)

But I wont buy a pad this price without testing it before.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Vini on August 23, 2017, 03:26:52 PM
oohhhh, a controller with two additional triggers for rear brake and clutch.
i might have to give that one a try.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Grooveski on August 23, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
Mmmm.... I quite like the look of that too. 

I only hold the controller in one hand and at race starts there's a lot going on - left trigger and shoulder button( clutch and back brake) and the rider leaning forward too(thumbstick).  I've had the damn thing pop out my sweaty hand before while waiting on the lights   ::) (one of my more deserved jumpstarts  ;D ).
Holding down an imaginary trigger on the back there does feel more relaxed.   
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Blackheart on August 23, 2017, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 03:09:08 PM
On a Xbox or PS controller, most of you guys use your middle finger for the triggers and indexes for the shoulder button.

I do not use middle fingers for triggers, but the index. (GPX)
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 03:38:41 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 03:09:08 PM
If you find a good controller with 2 triggers per side or, the ability to use shoulders buttons and triggers at the same time, Let me know please ! I'm searching for the gem for months and months

What I mean by shoulder button and trigger at the same time ? On a Xbox or PS controller, most of you guys use your middle finger for the triggers and indexes for the shoulder button. That means taht, as your thumbs are busy operating the joysticks and other buttons, you only hold the pad between your palm and your two last fingers (the weakier of the hand).

Personnaly, I can't ride like this more than 1 minute. I need a good grab !
You're holding it too tight. Relaxation is the secret of high performance :)
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: vini97 on August 23, 2017, 03:26:52 PM
oohhhh, a controller with two additional triggers for rear brake and clutch.
i might have to give that one a try.
I think that the thingies on the back are not triggers but just buttons (and are actually linked to the usual buttons, they are not additional buttons).

[EDIT: but I'm not 100% sure]
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Warlock on August 23, 2017, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 03:38:41 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 03:09:08 PM
If you find a good controller with 2 triggers per side or, the ability to use shoulders buttons and triggers at the same time, Let me know please ! I'm searching for the gem for months and months

What I mean by shoulder button and trigger at the same time ? On a Xbox or PS controller, most of you guys use your middle finger for the triggers and indexes for the shoulder button. That means taht, as your thumbs are busy operating the joysticks and other buttons, you only hold the pad between your palm and your two last fingers (the weakier of the hand).

Personnaly, I can't ride like this more than 1 minute. I need a good grab !
You're holding it too tight. Relaxation is the secret of high performance :)

I feel the same Max, its just uncomfortable to me. I would like to use my indexes on de the lower shoulder buttons or triggers and the middle finger at the botton of the controller like the pic.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: Warlock on August 23, 2017, 03:52:44 PM
I feel the same Max, its just uncomfortable to me. I would like to use my indexes on de the lower shoulder buttons or triggers and the middle finger at the botton of the controller like the pic.
If you just need buttons (and not triggers) on the back of the pad, then the wildcat (or the microsoft elite) will do.
I think there are even some DIY solutions to "move" some buttons on the back.

Personally I have no big problem with comfort but I do think I am more precise with the indexes on the triggers than with the middle fingers.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 23, 2017, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 03:09:08 PM
On a Xbox or PS controller, most of you guys use your middle finger for the triggers and indexes for the shoulder button.
I do not use middle fingers for triggers, but the index. (GPX)
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: Warlock on August 23, 2017, 03:52:44 PM
I feel the same Max, its just uncomfortable to me. I would like to use my indexes on de the lower shoulder buttons or triggers and the middle finger at the botton of the controller like the pic.
If you just need buttons (and not triggers) on the back of the pad, then the wildcat (or the microsoft elite) will do.
I think there are even some DIY solutions to "move" some buttons on the back.
Personally I have no big problem with comfort but I do think I am more precise with the indexes on the triggers than with the middle fingers.

Haaa, So I'm not alone.
That means that you cannot manually downshift. The only way to manually downshift (considering you have one regular pad and not a hotas thing) is to use indexes AND midle fingers.
Personnaly I mapped rear break and clutch on the right joystick and shift up and down on A and X buttons. I cannot clutch and change gear.

Yes, buttons could be enough, no need for extra triggers on the back.

Ho, I may be mixing two subjects... You now, the debate with auto clutch etc...
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Blackheart on August 23, 2017, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
That means that you cannot manually downshift. The only way to manually downshift (considering you have one regular pad and not a hotas thing) is to use indexes AND midle fingers.

What?  :o

... Downshift is on a X or A button, for any fast rider that I know, in my case its A.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 06:29:37 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
Haaa, So I'm not alone.
That means that you cannot manually downshift. The only way to manually downshift (considering you have one regular pad and not a hotas thing) is to use indexes AND midle fingers.
I can. I use middle fingers on triggers and indexes on shoulder buttons for up/downshift.
I don't use the ABXY buttons for key functions (only for bike reset, low speed etc).
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Grooveski on August 23, 2017, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
I think that the thingies on the back are not triggers but just buttons (and are actually linked to the usual buttons, they are not additional buttons).

[EDIT: but I'm not 100% sure]

Yeah, I think you're right.  :(  Came across a review that said "You can reassign any digital button or trigger to the M buttons".

Gotta admit I'm a bit peeved - had pretty much sold myself on it.
...especially as I'd have had a whole right-hand-side worth of analog gubbins that I could have happily swapped it too.
....but no - analog back brake is the point of the excercise. 


Has got me eyeing up my current xpad though.
I have an analog trigger on the right that I never use, a big space where the rumble motor used to be, plenty of epoxy and no regard for asthetics.
:D
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 07:39:33 PM
I double checked, they are buttons, not analog axes like the triggers (despite the fact they look like triggers).
So it still has some interest, but much less than if they were actual triggers.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Vini on August 23, 2017, 07:55:17 PM
ah damn

maybe one could modify them to be analog.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 06:29:37 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
Haaa, So I'm not alone.
That means that you cannot manually downshift. The only way to manually downshift (considering you have one regular pad and not a hotas thing) is to use indexes AND midle fingers.
I can.
Ho ! You wrote that you were more precise with indexes, I made the conclusion you were using them for throttle and brake.

Quote from: Blackheart on August 23, 2017, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
That means that you cannot manually downshift. The only way to manually downshift (considering you have one regular pad and not a hotas thing) is to use indexes AND midle fingers.
What?  :o
... Downshift is on a X or A button, for any fast rider that I know, in my case its A.
By manually, I mean, use the clutch and downshift.
You need one axis for front brake (let say, left trigger), one axis for controlling the bike lean (left joystick), one axis for the clutch (right joystick). If you use your indexes for the triggers, how do shift then ?

Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 10:46:53 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 23, 2017, 06:29:37 PM
Quote from: tchemi on August 23, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
Haaa, So I'm not alone.
That means that you cannot manually downshift. The only way to manually downshift (considering you have one regular pad and not a hotas thing) is to use indexes AND midle fingers.
I can.
Ho ! You wrote that you were more precise with indexes, I made the conclusion you were using them for throttle and brake.
Wrong conclusion :)
I'm OK to give up a little precision to be able to have all analog axes (leaning, rear brake, clutch + 2 for rider lean) and still 2 finger to shift gears.

Also, the fact I'm more precise with indexes is more a feeling than anything else. it may be, but it also may not be.
But if I had a pad with 2 buttons on the rear, I'd sure give that a try.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: HornetMaX on August 25, 2017, 10:17:20 AM
Just out, but still no extra triggers: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-wolverine-ultimate-controller-pc,35311.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/razer-wolverine-ultimate-controller-pc,35311.html)

Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: tchemi on August 25, 2017, 01:09:26 PM
Just from the main pix I can already say that this gamepad will be to small for me.
Title: Re: Help me please before I lose my marbles!!!
Post by: Joeski on September 09, 2017, 01:03:10 PM
well....that was an enjoyable read albeit completely beyond me lol...

I'm getting there with Catalunya, R6 and the new onboard view, much better. I've upgraded to the Xbox One controller as well but struggling to get to grips with it, especially the braking. Been playing with the linearity but can't find a happy medium...could anyone share their Xbox One settings please?

Ta  8)