Anyone got any moto 2 1.4 setups? Can't seem to break into the 1:33's on Victoria and so it's blatently a set up problem
Just do more laps
Quote from: connorhall70 on March 01, 2018, 10:38:25 PM
i can do 1:30's with supersofts and 20mm brake...
Get good noob.
Wao , maybe my english is really bad , or you're really really aggresive to him. He asks for something , what's the point of saying you're in 1.30
Quote from: connorhall70 on March 01, 2018, 10:38:25 PM
i can do 1:30's with supersofts and 20mm brake...
Get good noob.
I have not seen you do 1.30's on moto2 v1.4,
So far ive seen only Davide and I are able to break the 1.31 barrier on the moto2s, so hope this comment is a joke.
Regarding the setup. I did a 1.30.8 on default setup and 1.30.6 on my own setup (which is 99.9% default), so you are not gonna go much faster due to setup. Keep in mind i'm using the suter, pretty sure some other moto2's could do with some setup changes.
Quote from: connorhall70 on March 01, 2018, 10:38:25 PM
Get good noob.
Haha I'm trying :D
Cheers I was just wondering if there was some super set up out there, best to date is 1:34.14 but I've had ideal lap times in the low 1:33's
I've no problems being a couple of seconds off the pace but 4 seconds and I literally can't figure out where I can make time.
But yeah more laps, haven't tried the 20mm brake so I'll give that a go.
What do youse reckon on a bigger rear sprocket? I've done that and it doesn't seem to impact top speed on the straight
Victoria is a tough one to scrape a good laptime.. use all the track and maximise your corner exit speeds. Ive messed around alot with my setup and now im stuck going slower than before lol. So when im on next il start again from default setup..
Not taking part in the championship.. just a personal hurdle to get the laptime i want :)
Quote from: turlock on March 02, 2018, 10:35:44 AM
Haha I'm trying :D
Cheers I was just wondering if there was some super set up out there, best to date is 1:34.14 but I've had ideal lap times in the low 1:33's
I've no problems being a couple of seconds off the pace but 4 seconds and I literally can't figure out where I can make time.
But yeah more laps, haven't tried the 20mm brake so I'll give that a go.
What do youse reckon on a bigger rear sprocket? I've done that and it doesn't seem to impact top speed on the straight
I'm pretty sure that you re faster that connor... like the 99.9% of the riders here.
Quote from: Wimp #97 on March 02, 2018, 07:24:28 AM
Quote from: connorhall70 on March 01, 2018, 10:38:25 PM
i can do 1:30's with supersofts and 20mm brake...
Get good noob.
I have not seen you do 1.30's on moto2 v1.4,
So far ive seen only Davide and I are able to break the 1.31 barrier on the moto2s, so hope this comment is a joke.
Regarding the setup. I did a 1.30.8 on default setup and 1.30.6 on my own setup (which is 99.9% default), so you are not gonna go much faster due to setup. Keep in mind i'm using the suter, pretty sure some other moto2's could do with some setup changes.
yerr just managed a couple 33's on suter... my mistake
Right was just doing laps on the R6 cup there and realised something, I can go just as fast on that which I presume isn't right.
The big thing that's holding me back on the Moto 2 bike seems to be the complete lack of slipper clutch and looking at videos some other people don't seem to have the same problem.
I'm using an xbox controller and an automatic clutch, when I horse into a corner and start banging down the gears the rear locks up and I end up over the highside
I can get around it to a degree by just downshifting in stages as the bike slows down but I still get the feeling that managing that is pushing the bike further into the corner taking me away from the apex.
So just wondering, how do people manage the clutch for downshifts?
Cheers!
Quote from: turlock on April 05, 2018, 02:49:43 PM
Right was just doing laps on the R6 cup there and realised something, I can go just as fast on that which I presume isn't right.
The big thing that's holding me back on the Moto 2 bike seems to be the complete lack of slipper clutch and looking at videos some other people don't seem to have the same problem.
I'm using an xbox controller and an automatic clutch, when I horse into a corner and start banging down the gears the rear locks up and I end up over the highside
I can get around it to a degree by just downshifting in stages as the bike slows down but I still get the feeling that managing that is pushing the bike further into the corner taking me away from the apex.
So just wondering, how do people manage the clutch for downshifts?
Cheers!
Delay downshifts, if the braking zones are long you can downshift a couple of gears and slide it in and then at the end before the apex drop the last gear.
If the braking zone is shorter or not straight, just try to keep the rear inline without sliding by downshifting slower. Maybe even throttleblip if you feel like it.
Also you can brake very hard with the front brake so the bike doesn't run wide on brakes as much.
But the R6 cup bike isnt much slower than the moto2 bike. Like 2 seconds i think.
Quote from: turlock on April 05, 2018, 02:49:43 PM
Right was just doing laps on the R6 cup there and realised something, I can go just as fast on that which I presume isn't right.
The big thing that's holding me back on the Moto 2 bike seems to be the complete lack of slipper clutch and looking at videos some other people don't seem to have the same problem.
I'm using an xbox controller and an automatic clutch, when I horse into a corner and start banging down the gears the rear locks up and I end up over the highside
I can get around it to a degree by just downshifting in stages as the bike slows down but I still get the feeling that managing that is pushing the bike further into the corner taking me away from the apex.
So just wondering, how do people manage the clutch for downshifts?
Cheers!
look at it like this: as you downshift there is a very short time you are in "neutral" (not literally) and in this time you can rev match without using the clutch at all (blip throttle to the correct rpm on downshifts, takes some practice but ez after a while).
i usually downshift and INSTANTLY rev match, this goes for any type of braking that could potentially lock the rear.
dont overdo it though because one you're at the correct rpm you're no longer in this "neutral" so the bike will pull if you rev it which usually results in the weight being taken from the front, put onto the rear, and causing the front to lock, and then when after you blipped it you've crashed.
i dont do them at the same time, literally 0.01 second after i have downshifted i then rev match, one after the other. It makes it alot easier to do them this way.
also remember moto2 bikes are tuned cbr600 engines in a race frame. and in my opinion the moto2 bikes are way too stable, stupidly stable. to the point they're BORING compared to the R6 cup.
at least the rider gets his knee down every corner on the r6 xD barely ever touches on moto2 bikes. so dead.
Thanks a mill guys, I'll give that a go now and see how I get on :D
try to avoid the Sam Lowes style of banging down through the gears at once.... ;D
For a racing bike, the slipper clutch should be adjustable to suit your riding style(as per reality)...... Not sure if this bike currently has several slipper clutch(engine brake) settings or not? They might help as a workaround for now?
The slipper clutch is there simply to stop the rear wheel locking up no matter how aggressive you are with your downshifts, it all depends on your riding style and adjusting the slipper clutch as required.... Or that's the way it should be on a racing bike. Riders shouldn't have to alter their riding style to accommodate the slipper clutch limitations in GPB; we need this sorted Piboso. :)
Personally, I think the slipper clutch has not worked properly in GPB since approx beta 5? I remember at the time, the slipper clutch on the GPB Italia MOD Team R6 bike and it worked beautifully by just keeping the rear wheel on the edge of locking up(but not locking-up) no matter how aggressive you were with your downshifts; you could drift that bike into the corners beautifully at any time using the slipper clutch to control the rear drift.... I've not seen any of the 4 stroke bikes able to do that since the release of beta 6 so something changed or was added to the physics from beta 5 to beta 6 that messed up the slipper-clutch operation to some degree since, in my opinion. ;)
I've been trying to convince Piboso to get the mechanical slipper clutch settings sorted and put into the garage settings for the next beta, but whether he will do or not I don't know.
Quote from: Hawk on April 25, 2018, 10:39:53 AM
For a racing bike, the slipper clutch should be adjustable to suit your riding style(as per reality)...... Not sure if this bike currently has several slipper clutch(engine brake) settings or not? They might help as a workaround for now?
The slipper clutch is there simply to stop the rear wheel locking up no matter how aggressive you are with your downshifts, it all depends on your riding style and adjusting the slipper clutch as required.... Or that's the way it should be on a racing bike. Riders shouldn't have to alter their riding style to accommodate the slipper clutch limitations in GPB; we need this sorted Piboso. :)
Personally, I think the slipper clutch has not worked properly in GPB since approx beta 5? I remember at the time, the slipper clutch on the GPB Italia MOD Team R6 bike and it worked beautifully by just keeping the rear wheel on the edge of locking up(but not locking-up) no matter how aggressive you were with your downshifts; you could drift that bike into the corners beautifully at any time using the slipper clutch to control the rear drift.... I've not seen any of the 4 stroke bikes able to do that since the release of beta 6 so something changed or was added to the physics from beta 5 to beta 6 that messed up the slipper-clutch operation to some degree since, in my opinion. ;)
I've been trying to convince Piboso to get the mechanical slipper clutch settings sorted and put into the garage settings for the next beta, but whether he will do or not I don't know.
Is the R6 different in beta 13 compared to the beta 4/5 R6 that you mentioned? i still think the R6 has a great slipper clutch feeling?! but i didn't play back in the times you mentioned
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 25, 2018, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: Hawk on April 25, 2018, 10:39:53 AM
For a racing bike, the slipper clutch should be adjustable to suit your riding style(as per reality)...... Not sure if this bike currently has several slipper clutch(engine brake) settings or not? They might help as a workaround for now?
The slipper clutch is there simply to stop the rear wheel locking up no matter how aggressive you are with your downshifts, it all depends on your riding style and adjusting the slipper clutch as required.... Or that's the way it should be on a racing bike. Riders shouldn't have to alter their riding style to accommodate the slipper clutch limitations in GPB; we need this sorted Piboso. :)
Personally, I think the slipper clutch has not worked properly in GPB since approx beta 5? I remember at the time, the slipper clutch on the GPB Italia MOD Team R6 bike and it worked beautifully by just keeping the rear wheel on the edge of locking up(but not locking-up) no matter how aggressive you were with your downshifts; you could drift that bike into the corners beautifully at any time using the slipper clutch to control the rear drift.... I've not seen any of the 4 stroke bikes able to do that since the release of beta 6 so something changed or was added to the physics from beta 5 to beta 6 that messed up the slipper-clutch operation to some degree since, in my opinion. ;)
I've been trying to convince Piboso to get the mechanical slipper clutch settings sorted and put into the garage settings for the next beta, but whether he will do or not I don't know.
Is the R6 different in beta 13 compared to the beta 4/5 R6 that you mentioned? i still think the R6 has a great slipper clutch feeling?! but i didn't play back in the times you mentioned
All the bikes are different from the bikes that were about in beta 5.... There's been some pretty big physics changes since then. ;D
The issue is that GPB isn't simulating the slipper clutch quite correctly right now; whether that is because of another issue with the physics or the slipper clutch simulation itself I don't know.
Reminds me of the issue where it was/is
sometimes difficult to change down gears when your rear braking? Not sure if that bug has been fixed yet either?
Just frustrates me when we get riders stating that other riders who are having slipper clutch issues are told to alter their riding style to compensate.... How about asking Piboso to fix the slipper clutch instead. Lol! :P ;D
Quote from: Hawk on April 25, 2018, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 25, 2018, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: Hawk on April 25, 2018, 10:39:53 AM
For a racing bike, the slipper clutch should be adjustable to suit your riding style(as per reality)...... Not sure if this bike currently has several slipper clutch(engine brake) settings or not? They might help as a workaround for now?
The slipper clutch is there simply to stop the rear wheel locking up no matter how aggressive you are with your downshifts, it all depends on your riding style and adjusting the slipper clutch as required.... Or that's the way it should be on a racing bike. Riders shouldn't have to alter their riding style to accommodate the slipper clutch limitations in GPB; we need this sorted Piboso. :)
Personally, I think the slipper clutch has not worked properly in GPB since approx beta 5? I remember at the time, the slipper clutch on the GPB Italia MOD Team R6 bike and it worked beautifully by just keeping the rear wheel on the edge of locking up(but not locking-up) no matter how aggressive you were with your downshifts; you could drift that bike into the corners beautifully at any time using the slipper clutch to control the rear drift.... I've not seen any of the 4 stroke bikes able to do that since the release of beta 6 so something changed or was added to the physics from beta 5 to beta 6 that messed up the slipper-clutch operation to some degree since, in my opinion. ;)
I've been trying to convince Piboso to get the mechanical slipper clutch settings sorted and put into the garage settings for the next beta, but whether he will do or not I don't know.
Is the R6 different in beta 13 compared to the beta 4/5 R6 that you mentioned? i still think the R6 has a great slipper clutch feeling?! but i didn't play back in the times you mentioned
All the bikes are different from the bikes that were about in beta 5.... There's been some pretty big physics changes since then. ;D
The issue is that GPB isn't simulating the slipper clutch quite correctly right now; whether that is because of another issue with the physics or the slipper clutch simulation itself I don't know.
Reminds me of the issue where it was/is sometimes difficult to change down gears when your rear braking? Not sure if that bug has been fixed yet either?
Just frustrates me when we get riders stating that other riders who are having slipper clutch issues are told to alter their riding style to compensate.... How about asking Piboso to fix the slipper clutch instead. Lol! :P ;D
well... i understand where you're coming from and all but, are you 100% sure that its not the mod creators doing something wrong? im just wondering not accusing lol
Yeah i remember the rear brake thing... i dont use the rear brake anymore because of that, and i didnt really use it much anyway... only for fun and when i do nowadays its only if the bike allows it halfway round the corner just to tighten the line a tad.......
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 25, 2018, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Hawk on April 25, 2018, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 25, 2018, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: Hawk on April 25, 2018, 10:39:53 AM
For a racing bike, the slipper clutch should be adjustable to suit your riding style(as per reality)...... Not sure if this bike currently has several slipper clutch(engine brake) settings or not? They might help as a workaround for now?
The slipper clutch is there simply to stop the rear wheel locking up no matter how aggressive you are with your downshifts, it all depends on your riding style and adjusting the slipper clutch as required.... Or that's the way it should be on a racing bike. Riders shouldn't have to alter their riding style to accommodate the slipper clutch limitations in GPB; we need this sorted Piboso. :)
Personally, I think the slipper clutch has not worked properly in GPB since approx beta 5? I remember at the time, the slipper clutch on the GPB Italia MOD Team R6 bike and it worked beautifully by just keeping the rear wheel on the edge of locking up(but not locking-up) no matter how aggressive you were with your downshifts; you could drift that bike into the corners beautifully at any time using the slipper clutch to control the rear drift.... I've not seen any of the 4 stroke bikes able to do that since the release of beta 6 so something changed or was added to the physics from beta 5 to beta 6 that messed up the slipper-clutch operation to some degree since, in my opinion. ;)
I've been trying to convince Piboso to get the mechanical slipper clutch settings sorted and put into the garage settings for the next beta, but whether he will do or not I don't know.
Is the R6 different in beta 13 compared to the beta 4/5 R6 that you mentioned? i still think the R6 has a great slipper clutch feeling?! but i didn't play back in the times you mentioned
All the bikes are different from the bikes that were about in beta 5.... There's been some pretty big physics changes since then. ;D
The issue is that GPB isn't simulating the slipper clutch quite correctly right now; whether that is because of another issue with the physics or the slipper clutch simulation itself I don't know.
Reminds me of the issue where it was/is sometimes difficult to change down gears when your rear braking? Not sure if that bug has been fixed yet either?
Just frustrates me when we get riders stating that other riders who are having slipper clutch issues are told to alter their riding style to compensate.... How about asking Piboso to fix the slipper clutch instead. Lol! :P ;D
well... i understand where you're coming from and all but, are you 100% sure that its not the mod creators doing something wrong? im just wondering not accusing lol
Yeah i remember the rear brake thing... i dont use the rear brake anymore because of that, and i didnt really use it much anyway... only for fun and when i do nowadays its only if the bike allows it halfway round the corner just to tighten the line a tad.......
Good point.... It is difficult right now to setup the slipper clutch as it is to work correctly on any given 4 stroke bike in my opinion, for modders and riders. This is why I've also been asking Piboso to include a slipper clutch action bar+data in the bike test debug screen so modders/riders can actually see what the slipper clutch is doing or not doing as the case maybe; that way modders and riders could set the slipper clutch settings ranges correctly each time according to their riding style.
Bit off topic but about the rear brake when downshifting... still dont understand the problem lol.
Braking hard with the front brake all the weight transfers to the front. Now if the the rear lifts slightly and your foot (or finger 😁) is on the rear brake.. aswell as disengaging the clutch.. i dont see why it would let you downshift?? ??? Surely if your gonna use rear brake its after all the downshifts are done?
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on April 26, 2018, 06:58:33 AM
Bit off topic but about the rear brake when downshifting... still dont understand the problem lol.
Braking hard with the front brake all the weight transfers to the front. Now if the the rear lifts slightly and your foot (or finger 😁) is on the rear brake.. aswell as disengaging the clutch.. i dont see why it would let you downshift?? ??? Surely if your gonna use rear brake its after all the downshifts are done?
The issue is; not whether you would want to downshift in certain situations(as you stated in your quote) but the fact that it won't let you downshift in certain situations when you are actually rear braking(also drops the rpm down to almost nothing too in those situations, so something is wrong).
You should be able to downshift anytime you want no matter whether your rear braking or not, so the fact that it won't means there is something amiss in the physics programming somewhere.... unless of course these new-fangled electronics have something to do with this? That wouldn't surprise me. Lol! ;D
But it's almost as if the rear brake is literally braking directly on the engine and not the rear wheel... Very strange feeling. :-\
I dont know but it just seems right that it wont let you downshift lol. In some ways using the rear brake while downshifting stops the clutch and engine braking doing its job. Its the driven wheel.
Probably completely wrong but i get the idea that if all the weight is off the rear wheel and on the front.. that moment you pull the clutch lever to downshift, if your rear braking the rear wheel will slow down too fast.. and likely spit the gear back at you lol
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on April 27, 2018, 07:45:49 AM
I dont know but it just seems right that it wont let you downshift lol. In some ways using the rear brake while downshifting stops the clutch and engine braking doing its job. Its the driven wheel.
Probably completely wrong but i get the idea that if all the weight is off the rear wheel and on the front.. that moment you pull the clutch lever to downshift, if your rear braking the rear wheel will slow down too fast.. and likely spit the gear back at you lol
Personally I think the issue lies in the physics simulation between the rear wheel/gearbox/clutch and slipper clutch? If either one of those are not working properly during the braking/engine-braking phases I'd expect the issues we currently see regarding this...... I remember Piboso stating that there are issues with the gearbox physics that need sorting but can't remember if those issues have been addressed as yet? Would be good if Piboso could throw some light on this subject to put us all straight on what's actually happening with this issue. :)
Quote from: Hawk on April 27, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on April 27, 2018, 07:45:49 AM
I dont know but it just seems right that it wont let you downshift lol. In some ways using the rear brake while downshifting stops the clutch and engine braking doing its job. Its the driven wheel.
Probably completely wrong but i get the idea that if all the weight is off the rear wheel and on the front.. that moment you pull the clutch lever to downshift, if your rear braking the rear wheel will slow down too fast.. and likely spit the gear back at you lol
Personally I think the issue lies in the physics simulation between the rear wheel/gearbox/clutch and slipper clutch? If either one of those are not working properly during the braking/engine-braking phases I'd expect the issues we currently see regarding this...... I remember Piboso stating that there are issues with the gearbox physics that need sorting but can't remember if those issues have been addressed as yet? Would be good if Piboso could throw some light on this subject to put us all straight on what's actually happening with this issue. :)
I feel like the R6 cup bike has very very good rear wheel physics, both in braking and acceleration.