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Title: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Gzehoo on March 05, 2018, 02:32:56 PM
ROUND 3 - BUGATTI

Date: 11th March 2018
Time: 15:00 CET (1st race) / 20:00 CET (2nd race)
Track: NC - Circuit Bugatti V0.5

Practice - 60 minutes
Qualifs - 20 minutes
Race - 21 laps

REPLAYS (https://mega.nz/#!7skDjaAL!PktupYZ69kYLnawL7Sg0E-4TaDs_q4jUgAjiAAFMK18)


(https://s25.postimg.org/5wzh09jhb/Moto2-2018-_R03-_Q.png)

(https://s25.postimg.org/f4rpgyy9b/Moto2-2018-_R03-_R.png)
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on March 05, 2018, 04:12:31 PM
Hopefully I will be able to join the championship at one point of the season, as well as the other riders, that have online issues.

MCF
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Rodrigovis on March 07, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
we're going to use the last update of the manu for the moto2 or are we going to stay the way we are
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Wimp #97 on March 07, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
Latest update 1.4b
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: fefobd on March 08, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
i have problems with core.exe fails . also when im going to enter in a online session  show me the message of ´´bike missing´´
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Tusrat on March 08, 2018, 04:51:41 PM
Quote from: fefobd on March 08, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
i have problems with core.exe fails . also when im going to enter in a online session  show me the message of ´´bike missing´´

Have you downloaded moto2 v1.4b ? That's probably this ;)
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: fefobd on March 08, 2018, 07:46:43 PM
yes, i was racing yesterday in de test server, but with the core.exe fail was impossible to play. and today the bike mismatch and decore.exe again(this time launching de game).pd:tanks
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 09, 2018, 08:24:33 PM
Bit confused.

The NC - Circuit Bugatti* loaded to the Discord servers is different to the NC - Circuit Bugatti V0.5 in the database?

So I cannot see it at GpBikes.com but not In World in-game.

What dat all aboot?
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: teeds on March 09, 2018, 09:57:45 PM
I noticed the name difference the other day but the one on the track db didn't contain a folder with the same NC - Circuit Bugatti V0.5 name but seemed to contain a folder called NC - Circuit Bugatti. So thought it was all good. Looks like it's been updated today and indeed now contains a NC - Circuit Bugatti V0.5 folder, curious and guess i'll use this potentially updated track?
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: teeds on March 09, 2018, 10:13:37 PM
Well the one on the DB (NC - Circuit Bugatti V0.5) doesn't seem to work at all  :o Can send you a copy of the working one of you need Nick?
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 09, 2018, 10:52:50 PM
Yesterday the database version wouldn't download so DD sorted it out. Now it downloads but it don't work.

I imagine a few will try to DL this track to start practising shortly so better you send it to DD to update DB if its the latest?

2 days without practice now on this track I don't know lol. That's my excuse for being crap sorted.  :)
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: teeds on March 09, 2018, 11:18:10 PM
Here's my copy https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1Bei_UZbnkaFIXUNGR5hKbt1LWfKqsG62&export=download
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 10, 2018, 07:31:50 PM
Thanks Teeds.

Save me a spot in the late race tomorrow, hopefully I will be home in time to be there, learn the track and come first.  ;D
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: teeds on March 11, 2018, 02:01:21 PM
Server password is m2r3
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: tchemi on March 11, 2018, 08:42:32 PM
WTF !!!!!

Seriously I'm angry !!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I made a very clean start but everybody crashed. So ok, restart.... Mwell
Then, on the pre-start for the second start, I could not join the track !!!!! The button was grey ! WTF ??

So I spent hours and a major part of my sunday evening for... nothing ??  ???

F*ck, I'm sure I could have made good result and most of all, have pleasure. I'm frustrated, really. I want to break something but everything around me is expensive, so I will lie on the ground and cry loudly for a hour  :'( :'(
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: KG_03 on March 11, 2018, 09:10:24 PM
Dont worry Im frustrated too :-(
When the bikes crash they are flying all over and for some moments they are invisible showing up a moment later...
I have started a race it was quite nice and I was hit... and then in the middle of the race I had no grip left. Despite I had front hard tire it didn't last for longer than 10 laps...it was gone...

Pleas guys keep in mind that some players are in onboard camera (like me) and when you start to overtake until I see your front tire I dont know you are overtaking.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Vini on March 11, 2018, 09:27:06 PM
watched the race in jorge's stream. bit chaotic but still nice to see people properly racing!  8)

@KG: i've often had issues with hard tyres overheating and wearing down extremely quick. even for the motogp bikes the soft front (plus medium rear) will easily last a full race.
i highly suggest using the radar from maxhud plugin, set it to narrow flying markers without background and tweak the distance and fov.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 11, 2018, 09:28:58 PM
Quote from: tchemi on March 11, 2018, 08:42:32 PM
WTF !!!!!

Seriously I'm angry !!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I made a very clean start but everybody crashed. So ok, restart.... Mwell
Then, on the pre-start for the second start, I could not join the track !!!!! The button was grey ! WTF ??

So I spent hours and a major part of my sunday evening for... nothing ??  ???

F*ck, I'm sure I could have made good result and most of all, have pleasure. I'm frustrated, really. I want to break something but everything around me is expensive, so I will lie on the ground and cry loudly for a hour  :'( :'(

Oh man my poor team-mate that is a disaster mate.  :( I wondered why u had to leave  :'( :'(

For my say I would suggest no restarts it just messes others up. Restarting for one player is kind but a disaster for most others. To only have 1 person jump is a GPB miracle in the first place.  :P

Also I would like to say - don't be a complete cheating cockhead - leaving the pits the wrong way to get a short qualify lap when there is not much time left and you want fresh tyre for a hotlap - you are cheating effhead and should be banned from further races. You know who you are. And I have a replay saved of it if you like to dispute it.  ;D If it don't happen in bike racing don't do it! simples.

Anyway quite a fun race for me, learnt fast with 15 minutes practice to go (thanks Tchemi for the tips) and in top ten most of race. Sorry to finpower for a slide into him early laps (man you were slow into that corner mate  :-[)

Whoever works the timing out for the results please note the amount of laps done is bollox and hence also the finishing positions. the times are a better judge of placing. Probably caused by penalised cuts missing a lap out

Anyway Im not admin so I shutup.

Thanks everyone.  8)
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Olaf Lehmann on March 11, 2018, 09:55:29 PM
Result race 20CET:
http://race.eolc.de/Olaf_Lehmann/R03bugatti20CET.html

The result from 15CET race is top secret?  ;D

At this track I was confused that everyone has apparently an other opinion what is track and what is not track.
I have getting a corner cutting penalty, because I lost totally my concentration after 20min. For two/three laps it was impossible for me to stay on track.
I don't think I get an advantage for me. I get a penalty (I don't know that GPB it does) and lost the 11th place. But selfmade it's fair so.
After that my concentration comes back for the last laps, but the tires (front=hard, rear=medium) works very bad at the end of the race.

QuoteFor my say I would suggest no restarts it just messes others up. Restarting for one player is kind but a disaster for most others. To only have 1 person jump is a GPB miracle in the first place. 
+1
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Wimp #97 on March 11, 2018, 10:44:49 PM
Results race at 15.00, I came in right when warmup ended and started from last. Seems like many people quit during the race...
Unlucky Klippie got taken out by someone while he was being carefull into the first corner.
(https://s13.postimg.org/a1q6zd0gn/screen023.jpg)
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Alex Nogueira on March 12, 2018, 12:29:33 AM
So folks, this is my first championship, I confess I jumped several times, a baffle is not achieved. And my joystick is not the best.can see my times that did not favor me. Still, there are no criticisms, I hope you understand and the next I will do the best.
On the other hand, I did not crash in any accident that I remember, I do not see the reason to criticize me.

Tanks
Google Traslate..
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Olaf Lehmann on March 12, 2018, 02:35:38 PM
Statistics from 20CET race:

http://race.eolc.de/Olaf_Lehmann/R03bugatti.html

BR Olaf

Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 12, 2018, 04:21:18 PM
This is really great to see Olaf. Well done.

Shame the data from this race to make these tables is flawed though.
Track makers need to try and make sure that missed laps are not made due to overshoot/cuts etc. It's been a problem for a while. Some tracks worse than others.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Olaf Lehmann on March 12, 2018, 09:12:54 PM
QuoteSo folks, this is my first championship, I confess I jumped several times, a baffle is not achieved. And my joystick is not the best.can see my times that did not favor me. Still, there are no criticisms, I hope you understand and the next I will do the best.
On the other hand, I did not crash in any accident that I remember, I do not see the reason to criticize me.
I have seen in the replay at Dunlop Chicane you constantly use the run-off area to your advantage. In real racing. If you don't lift the throttle after that you get an penalty.
Otherwise racing makes no sense.


A corner cutting problem has many four-wheel simulations too. In some sims like grand prix legends drivers will be completely disqualified from the race if they drive outside of checkpoints - in case they are slower because of mistakes. It it's bad.
The GPB penalty system is principially good. But it seems at Bugatti are too less checkpoints? And the questions is: Inflict GPB for every cutting a penalty or only at once in a race. I wished for every cutting.

BR Olaf


Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 12, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
If you get a penalty 3 times in GPB you get a disqual. Which is nice to know.  :o :)

Many tracks the checkpoints just need extending to cover all driveable areas on or off track so no laps are missed.

We are using tracks we haven't used much before, in this championship. I am sure there are timing errors and fennaningans yet to be discovered too.  ::)

But I'm always here for any fun to be gained rather than worrying about position (good job cos Im a slowcoach) but its still nice to have it right.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Adalgood on March 13, 2018, 10:39:26 PM
Hello everyone. I rarely speak in this forum but today I feel like it. And I will talk about my experience.

- Philips Island: + Thecrivi throws me to the ground when I was climbing positions.
                          + In the qualifying session there are pilots going in the opposite direction to obtain better performance of the tires.

- Johor: + In the first round Manu (this person repeats this phrase in the chat two and three times, "NO HEROES IN FIRST CORNER") he throws me to the ground leaning on me to take the curve when he wants to overtake me.

- Le Mans: +22 pilots on the grid. In the first exit four pilots skip the exit. I start on the pole and in the second lap I kept the first position and Manu proposes the restart of the race for the first time. The result of the vote is negative.
                  + As Manu does not like the result of the vote, he proposes again a vote that is favorable to his teammates. The race restarts and my difference of 10 seconds spoils me with the second position.
                  + Jorge Sprinter "Strike". In the second exit I make a good start again and the youtuber lord Jorge Sprinter in the first corner of the first round hits Ludo from behind and Ludo's bike hits me and I go to the ground.
                  + In the qualifying session there are pilots going in the opposite direction to obtain better performance of the tires.

When has a race been restarted before? When?? For this I train during the week? No. I'm going to abandon this championship.

-I refuse to train a week working on setup to get ahead as if I were a wall in the middle of the curve so that they lean on me. And above you disrespect because they are not even able to wait for the pilot who have thrown to the ground and move forward as if nothing had happened.
-I refuse to train a week working on setup to restart the fence when someone is interested or teammates. If you skip the exit you fuck and you meet the penalty. And I do not care if you call yourself Manu, Piboso or whatever.
-I refuse to train for a week working on setup to see how other riders laugh at one coming out of the pits to get better rubber performance.
-I refuse to train for a week working on setup to see how other riders cut into the corners, reaching better times in some sectors.

Good luck to everyone with the championship.

PS: GPBikes is a simulator and requires greater involvement that requires more concentration, responsibility and training time. If you do not want to get involved please turn off your PC and turn on your console.


Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Phathry25 on March 14, 2018, 12:51:45 AM
Quote from: Adalgood on March 13, 2018, 10:39:26 PM
Hello everyone. I rarely speak in this forum but today I feel like it. And I will talk about my experience.

- Philips Island: + Thecrivi throws me to the ground when I was climbing positions.
                          + In the qualifying session there are pilots going in the opposite direction to obtain better performance of the tires.

- Johor: + In the first round Manu (this person repeats this phrase in the chat two and three times, "NO HEROES IN FIRST CORNER") he throws me to the ground leaning on me to take the curve when he wants to overtake me.

- Le Mans: +22 pilots on the grid. In the first exit four pilots skip the exit. I start on the pole and in the second lap I kept the first position and Manu proposes the restart of the race for the first time. The result of the vote is negative.
                  + As Manu does not like the result of the vote, he proposes again a vote that is favorable to his teammates. The race restarts and my difference of 10 seconds spoils me with the second position.
                  + Jorge Sprinter "Strike". In the second exit I make a good start again and the youtuber lord Jorge Sprinter in the first corner of the first round hits Ludo from behind and Ludo's bike hits me and I go to the ground.
                  + In the qualifying session there are pilots going in the opposite direction to obtain better performance of the tires.

When has a race been restarted before? When?? For this I train during the week? No. I'm going to abandon this championship.

-I refuse to train a week working on setup to get ahead as if I were a wall in the middle of the curve so that they lean on me. And above you disrespect because they are not even able to wait for the pilot who have thrown to the ground and move forward as if nothing had happened.
-I refuse to train a week working on setup to restart the fence when someone is interested or teammates. If you skip the exit you fuck and you meet the penalty. And I do not care if you call yourself Manu, Piboso or whatever.
-I refuse to train for a week working on setup to see how other riders laugh at one coming out of the pits to get better rubber performance.
-I refuse to train for a week working on setup to see how other riders cut into the corners, reaching better times in some sectors.

Good luck to everyone with the championship.

PS: GPBikes is a simulator and requires greater involvement that requires more concentration, responsibility and training time. If you do not want to get involved please turn off your PC and turn on your console.

In regards to the restart.  What is more unfair?...  That you're good start was taken away after all the preparations you made.  OR that multiple riders, who made the same preparations, were hit with an invalid jump start from their bikes rolling on the grid outside of their control and got no shot at the race at all?  It's no contest.

I'm sorry that you've been taken out multiple times, I hope you find enjoyment in something other than purely results and will continue in the championship.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Manu on March 14, 2018, 09:02:18 AM
Quote from: Adalgood on March 13, 2018, 10:39:26 PM
Hello everyone. I rarely speak in this forum but today I feel like it. And I will talk about my experience.

- Philips Island: + Thecrivi throws me to the ground when I was climbing positions.
                          + In the qualifying session there are pilots going in the opposite direction to obtain better performance of the tires.

- Johor: + In the first round Manu (this person repeats this phrase in the chat two and three times, "NO HEROES IN FIRST CORNER") he throws me to the ground leaning on me to take the curve when he wants to overtake me.

- Le Mans: +22 pilots on the grid. In the first exit four pilots skip the exit. I start on the pole and in the second lap I kept the first position and Manu proposes the restart of the race for the first time. The result of the vote is negative.
                  + As Manu does not like the result of the vote, he proposes again a vote that is favorable to his teammates. The race restarts and my difference of 10 seconds spoils me with the second position.
                  + Jorge Sprinter "Strike". In the second exit I make a good start again and the youtuber lord Jorge Sprinter in the first corner of the first round hits Ludo from behind and Ludo's bike hits me and I go to the ground.
                  + In the qualifying session there are pilots going in the opposite direction to obtain better performance of the tires.

When has a race been restarted before? When?? For this I train during the week? No. I'm going to abandon this championship.

-I refuse to train a week working on setup to get ahead as if I were a wall in the middle of the curve so that they lean on me. And above you disrespect because they are not even able to wait for the pilot who have thrown to the ground and move forward as if nothing had happened.
-I refuse to train a week working on setup to restart the fence when someone is interested or teammates. If you skip the exit you fuck and you meet the penalty. And I do not care if you call yourself Manu, Piboso or whatever.
-I refuse to train for a week working on setup to see how other riders laugh at one coming out of the pits to get better rubber performance.
-I refuse to train for a week working on setup to see how other riders cut into the corners, reaching better times in some sectors.

Good luck to everyone with the championship.

PS: GPBikes is a simulator and requires greater involvement that requires more concentration, responsibility and training time. If you do not want to get involved please turn off your PC and turn on your console.

Unfortunate comment. It is very easy to accuse someone without proof. Unfortunately I do not have the repetitions to knock down your accusations.

I challenge you to prove what you said about me. I know you will not do it because you lie.

My conscience is clear.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: teeds on March 14, 2018, 09:09:29 AM
It happens to us all Adalgood, crashes will happen even with the IRL pros, just get back up and race as best you can. I had some good fun and results coming back through the pack after a terrible start involving crashes caused by myself and others.

About the restart, here's the rules regarding it -

Quote from: Gzehoo on January 21, 2018, 02:56:14 PM
(https://s25.postimg.org/5pjiaru7j/moto2.png)

Moto2 Championship is going to use Moto2 2017 v1.4b bikeset by Manu (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=5549.0) and some real-life circuits.


[RULES]



-MAX 1 RESTART

From - http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=5620.0 To cover exactly what happened: riders not even getting to start the race due to a bug.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Wimp #97 on March 14, 2018, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: Adalgood on March 13, 2018, 10:39:26 PM
Hello everyone. I rarely speak in this forum but today I feel like it. And I will talk about my experience.

- Philips Island: + Thecrivi throws me to the ground when I was climbing positions.
                          + In the qualifying session there are pilots going in the opposite direction to obtain better performance of the tires.

- Johor: + In the first round Manu (this person repeats this phrase in the chat two and three times, "NO HEROES IN FIRST CORNER") he throws me to the ground leaning on me to take the curve when he wants to overtake me.

- Le Mans: +22 pilots on the grid. In the first exit four pilots skip the exit. I start on the pole and in the second lap I kept the first position and Manu proposes the restart of the race for the first time. The result of the vote is negative.
                  + As Manu does not like the result of the vote, he proposes again a vote that is favorable to his teammates. The race restarts and my difference of 10 seconds spoils me with the second position.
                  + Jorge Sprinter "Strike". In the second exit I make a good start again and the youtuber lord Jorge Sprinter in the first corner of the first round hits Ludo from behind and Ludo's bike hits me and I go to the ground.
                  + In the qualifying session there are pilots going in the opposite direction to obtain better performance of the tires.

When has a race been restarted before? When?? For this I train during the week? No. I'm going to abandon this championship.

-I refuse to train a week working on setup to get ahead as if I were a wall in the middle of the curve so that they lean on me. And above you disrespect because they are not even able to wait for the pilot who have thrown to the ground and move forward as if nothing had happened.
-I refuse to train a week working on setup to restart the fence when someone is interested or teammates. If you skip the exit you fuck and you meet the penalty. And I do not care if you call yourself Manu, Piboso or whatever.
-I refuse to train for a week working on setup to see how other riders laugh at one coming out of the pits to get better rubber performance.
-I refuse to train for a week working on setup to see how other riders cut into the corners, reaching better times in some sectors.

Good luck to everyone with the championship.

PS: GPBikes is a simulator and requires greater involvement that requires more concentration, responsibility and training time. If you do not want to get involved please turn off your PC and turn on your console.

-People crash it happens, in gpbikes with only 1 or 2 crashes in a race you can easily win the race.
-People going backwards out of pitlane will be penalised or ejected if it is seen. please save replays and report them if you see people doing it... we can't see everything.
-Crashes at starts happen, keep in mind there is also the occasional connection lag. Some people ride close and are able to do so. I for example can ride fairly close with Teeds and Manu because they ride very predictable and connection seems to be good. Ofcourse maybe in the offcial races you don't want to make it too close.

-Le mans had a bug. because of it, it got restarted. You got such a good lead because many people had the bug and a lot of people didn't keep going after the start because they knew it would restart.
- The restart crash was not Jorge's fault. I watched his stream and he had the correct line, Ludo just didn't want to give up the position and leave room. Ludo tried to go inbetween you and Jorge, nothing Jorge couldve done. Besides that Ludo isn't in the championship and shouldn't be participating in these races even though I like riding with Ludo.

You know that you can also make sure you don't crash when people hit you. You do that by being cautious and expecting stupid people up the inside. Yes it is slower, but it makes sure you don't crash.

Stop blaming other people for your losses, yes you wouldve done better if that didn't happen, but everyone has something like that in a race... . If your only crash at le mans was in the first corner with Ludo and Jorge, then you would have easily won the race. Same for Johor. You should watch teeds at philip island and Le mans. He was so far back after the first 1-2 laps yet he still managed very good results.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Hawk on March 14, 2018, 11:07:45 AM
If Piboso would give the server admins a hardcore "Crash and your out" setting for events then riders will soon realise they have to ride a lot more responsibly and carefully or suffer the consequences exactly the same as riders have to in reality.
This would lead to better riders/riding and therefore less frustrating situations that "Adalgood" is understandably pointing out. It can be VERY frustrating for those that put in SO much hard work and practice before an event.

It would be a hard pill to swallow for some, especially the riders who are SO used to riding in games like Milestones MotoGP were you can get away with murder! Lol! But they would soon learn.  ;D

If you want it then ask Piboso for it.... I've tried many times in the past only for it to apparently fall on deaf-ears each time.  :P :)

If you want real simulation then lets have it!  ;D 8)
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 14, 2018, 11:20:16 AM
What was this bug at Bugatti?
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Wimp #97 on March 14, 2018, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 14, 2018, 11:20:16 AM
What was this bug at Bugatti?

Not really a bug i think, but the start straight is not flat and when you put it into 1st gear, quite a lot of people got jump starts because the rolled a bit backwards or forwards.

It was a good call to restart the race.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: teeds on March 14, 2018, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: Hawk on March 14, 2018, 11:07:45 AM
If Piboso would give the server admins a hardcore "Crash and your out" setting for events then riders will soon realise they have to ride a lot more responsibly and carefully or suffer the consequences exactly the same as riders have to in reality.

I personally wouldn't want this, in most bike racing events you can carry on after a crash. Also if lag is the cause that would be rage inducing.  Perhaps that option would be useful if someone wanted to run a BSB series and simulate their rules exactly, but not many would cross the finish line at all though lol


I hope more riders will take the chance to take part in test races during the week to get used to riding close with others. In all games and IRL starts are notoriously troublesome, everyone needs to get used to the fact that you're not going to be able to do your normal line or speed in the first few turns. Myself and others also just ride close in practice and wait for each other to get a better understanding of how to pass and ride close to each other and not crash in doing so, it's great fun and you learn lots by way of race-craft. I recommend everyone do this as much as possible  :)
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 14, 2018, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: Wimp #97 on March 14, 2018, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 14, 2018, 11:20:16 AM
What was this bug at Bugatti?

Not really a bug i think, but the start straight is not flat and when you put it into 1st gear, quite a lot of people got jump starts because the rolled a bit backwards or forwards.

It was a good call to restart the race.

'Swot I thought, not a bug just not knowing it must be standard practice to join the grid and hold a brake. When you select a gear it over-rides the auto brake.  Same as not wiggling about like ferret up yer trousers while waiting.  ;D

The trouble with restarts is it will always ruin someone else's ride - take Tchemi for example, who couldn't get back to track.  Lack of race start 101 should not be a reason to restart. Learning the hard way is some peoples only way.  :P The joining track bug seems to have been sorted so no excuses there either. We have already asked PiB to reduce the jump start DSQ penalty as its too harsh (you wont get it if you don't cross the SF line but that's hard for first few riders). God knows if it ever made the to-do list. Further petitioning might help if anyone can be arsed.

But its just my opinion and the rules say 1 restart so I'm very happy with that. What I'm saying here is just info for the discussion pot taken from a fair bit of racing experience, and covert distribution of knowledge to the newsters.  8)
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Wimp #97 on March 14, 2018, 02:39:07 PM
The general idea of a restart is that it will benefit / help many more people than it will hurt. As was the case in this race. Many people had a fair race but one or two person got a worse start. this happens. The goal of championship is to satisfy as many people as possible without breaking any rules ofcourse.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 14, 2018, 04:35:17 PM
Yes its a noble goal to try and give the most fun to most people. I understand that. The championship has a rule of 1 restart max so there is no argument, we all sign up to it.

But I think 'one or two got a worse start' is blinkered. Everyone who finished behind a DSQ-er or had a better position after the 1st lap crashes had a worse start second attempt. And they did nothing wrong but have to take a penalty so the wrongdoers can have another go?

No-ones gonna be happy either way. Its a hard job as admin luckily made easier with the stated rule.

Just for clarity I am not complaining about a restart I am just making clear the consequences. At some time in this championship I will also f-up the start. Hopefully we will restart and the yang will cancel the ying.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Olaf Lehmann on March 14, 2018, 05:01:26 PM
The "jump start bug" is a miracle to me.
I drive with automatic clutch. In my first two test races at the start at first I opened the throttle a little bit and changed to first gear. In this case I produced a spectacular crash.
After that bad experiances I first change to first gear and then open the throttle. So I get no problem with "jump start bug" or saltos.
I often see start saltos from other drivers.
It seems to me if all drivers starts in my unspectacular way there will be no "jump start bug". So we need no polls, no restarts and all will be good.

The restart polls and chatting about "jump start bug" after the start overcharged me completely - I'm crashing in the next corner.

I think the knowledge of a possible restart creates chaotic starts in every race.

But I'm new. Maybe I understand the "jump start bug" not correct? Maybe is it an other thing for riders with manual clutch?

BR Olaf
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 14, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
There is only one jump start bug that I can think of.

If you select a gear between lights going out and back on it can dsq you. Everything else is rider error. Surely everyone uses the clutch at start?  ???
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Rodrigovis on March 14, 2018, 05:42:48 PM

I just start the march and accelerate after the green light ...
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: finpower on March 14, 2018, 06:26:01 PM
I'll make it shorter but I'm of the same opinion with adalgood.
I lost my heart because in the last race I was fired from the back very often. But I will not name any names.

but also the listless and sterile acting racecourses do not knock me off the stool.
synonymous with the mod, I can not really make friends.

so I finish the championship.

let it crack and have fun.

greeting fin
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Vini on March 14, 2018, 06:36:33 PM
i disagree, nick. in real life riders don't hold the front brake on the grid because they just use their body to keep the bike stationary.
IMO it should be this way in GP bikes, too.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 14, 2018, 06:42:59 PM

I'm saying in the game you need to do it and always have had to. Not IRL.  ;)

I would be happy to have the game changed so it's not needed of course.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Meyer#12 on March 14, 2018, 07:16:41 PM
It is not a bug, the issue is that you start on a slight angle (hill) and if you don't hold brake you will roll backwards and get a jump start
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 14, 2018, 07:35:08 PM
Exactly  ;)

I always join the track with rear brake already on. Stops rolling and any creeping. Until PiB simulates foot grip I suggest everyone does.

Ultimately we have to remember its a game so there will be compromises to make. And until there are enough people to make league style tables of riders with the pro's at the top and newbs at the bottom we have to realise we race together with the best and the worst in the name of fun. You can see why Gzehoos idea of splitting the racing between the fastest and slowest was a good idea

Just try and enjoy it for what it is rather than what you wish it to be or you will have eternal disappointment.   :)
Quoted from Coeus, Titan of intellect
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Adalgood on March 14, 2018, 08:25:22 PM
Ok I recognize that the restart I was wrong as it is in the rules. Although I am not in agreement with that norm.

But call me my liar? ask for proof? ajjajajaj Manu I can say that you are a very bad driver when you advance position and I am not insulting you. You insult me ​​and disrespect me by calling me a liar? Your? I'm a liar when I said that you proposed voting in the race? You are recorded in the Youtube video of Jorge Sprinter. You are heard talking and saying ... who is staying as a liar? Not even now I have any problem or anger with you or anyone in this community because this is a hobby and you are not important in my life. I have no reason and I am not a small child to be inventing things for a hobby. But what I do not allow you is that you call me a liar. Now answer what you want but here my conversation ended with you because I can see the style you are coming with and I do not like talking to people like that.

I apologize again for the restart. In the previous championships the races have never been restarted and I thought it would be the same. Until today, whenever I was thrown in the race, I got annoyed and never proposed a vote.

Since I bought the license I have always trained on the server with the fastest of this game; Davide, Jose Reina, Loppa and Tuki. We have done many races together and always respecting the spaces. I'm not the fastest but if I know that what gives me better is braking and overtaking without throwing anyone on the ground. I have no reputation for braking and taking the drivers to the ground and I have not skipped any exit from any official race. I train fast lap. I train race pace. I train overtaking. I train the exits etc etc. In GPBikes you have to train many things and learn many things to be competitive.

I really do not have any grudge against anyone of you. I leave the championship because I do not have fun because of all this. I've been competing in SimRacing for many years in many leagues and I had never ended up so unmotivated on Sundays after the race.

My way of having fun is by training and doing setups and trying not to disturb anyone and I take it more seriously. Other people have fun competing differently and I respect it. Please respect mine.

Sorry for the text. I only vent to myself because I am in love with this simulator and express my frustration.

Luck!
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Manu on March 14, 2018, 08:47:49 PM
You can say what you want. I don't care what you think of me.

If I win the position you can not pretend to continue as if there were no one. If you don't know how to act when they advance you, it's not my problem.

You are upset because you have made mistakes and you prefer to blame others.

Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Wimp #97 on March 14, 2018, 09:08:33 PM
I agree Adal, i'm also the kind of person that takes this serious. But i'm sure Manu does aswell. If there was a mistake from either end, i'm sure it was just a mistake and mistakes do happen.
Its demotivating to be taken out but the good thing about the difficulty in gpbikes is that everyone crashes at least once in a race, so never give up and keep turning those laps.

I suggest we leave it at that and don't start any further drama :D that is what breaks small communitys like this!

Please consider showing up again or maybe just some "wildcards" as you are one of the faster riders on the track and the more serious people we have, the better!
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Grooveski on March 14, 2018, 11:03:38 PM
Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 14, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
If you select a gear between lights going out and back on it can dsq you.

This one might be fixed.   :-\

Don't take my word for it(and don't leave it to a proper race to test ;) ) but I've deliberately changed from neutral to first twice in B13 after the lights have started counting down and got away with it both times.

Last week in a practice race I sat on the Le Man grid wiggling the rider and bike around, let it roll back a bit then waited until the countdown lights before selecting a gear.  No problems.
The other guy in the room went to grid and was instantly black flagged - so it also looks like there might still be a 'last rider to grid not getting away with anything' issue.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 15, 2018, 08:00:19 AM
But it was between the lights going off and coming back on before the sequence starts.
But let's hope so.

Last rider to grid getting bounced sounds ominous. Nothing reported in champ yet. Touch wood.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Thecrivi28 on March 15, 2018, 12:50:12 PM
thanks wimp
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Olaf Lehmann on March 15, 2018, 01:30:17 PM
QuoteIf Piboso would give the server admins a hardcore "Crash and your out" setting for events then riders will soon realise they have to ride a lot more responsibly and carefully or suffer the consequences exactly the same as riders have to in reality.
This would lead to better riders/riding and therefore less frustrating situations that "Adalgood" is understandably pointing out. It can be VERY frustrating for those that put in SO much hard work and practice before an event.

It would be a hard pill to swallow for some, especially the riders who are SO used to riding in games like Milestones MotoGP were you can get away with murder! Lol! But they would soon learn. 

If you want it then ask Piboso for it.... I've tried many times in the past only for it to apparently fall on deaf-ears each time.   

If you want real simulation then lets have it!   
In the simulation I raced for some years are two modes:
1. mode INT: instant repairing without conseuqences.
2. mode PRO with no ShiftR, end of the races in case of major damages like engine failure, loosing wheels, etc.

Only in my first halv year I was happy about the mode INT, because I had no chance to finish a race in mode PRO.
After that I was only interested at PRO races.
But much races don't bring much fun, because after five laps I missed a few drivers, after 20 min often the halv of the drivers are eliminated and in some cases only three drivers see the quecked flag.

My opinion: The best way is between both. The instant repairing in GPB isn't worthy for a simulation. And it is another reason (additional to the restart possibility) for the chaotic kind of driving of many divers (me too).
But I think the "Hawk mode" is inappropriate for GPB. GPB is too hard to drive and there are too many problems in synergie between GPB and mods.

My alternative ideas:
1. The big crash like in SKB2000/2001: After a crash the driver stand up, runs to the bike with lets say 2 metres/second, picks up the bike. Not before then he can drive on.
2. In case of harder crashes the bike get a problem that the bike makes slower (lets say between 0.5 and 1 sec per lap), In case of the next hard crash another 0.5-1 second.

So the riders would be more respectful and the results are more interesting because they are not only determinated by speed, but also by driving style, race intelligence, ...and all can finish the race.

That's my wishes to PiBoSo.


Selfmade there will still be collissions, it's a normal thing. But I think much lesser. And so all in all the fun factor should be increasing a lot.


At the end I would say (because I'm often criticize things): Don't missunderstand me. I will not retireing from the championship.  :)

BR Olaf
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Hawk on March 15, 2018, 04:24:56 PM
Quote from: Olaf Lehmann on March 15, 2018, 01:30:17 PM

In the simulation I raced for some years are two modes:
1. mode INT: instant repairing without conseuqences.
2. mode PRO with no ShiftR, end of the races in case of major damages like engine failure, loosing wheels, etc.

Only in my first halv year I was happy about the mode INT, because I had no chance to finish a race in mode PRO.
After that I was only interested at PRO races.
But much races don't bring much fun, because after five laps I missed a few drivers, after 20 min often the halv of the drivers are eliminated and in some cases only three drivers see the quecked flag.

My opinion: The best way is between both. The instant repairing in GPB isn't worthy for a simulation. And it is another reason (additional to the restart possibility) for the chaotic kind of driving of many divers (me too).
But I think the "Hawk mode" is inappropriate for GPB. GPB is too hard to drive and there are too many problems in synergie between GPB and mods.


My alternative ideas:
1. The big crash like in SKB2000/2001: After a crash the driver stand up, runs to the bike with lets say 2 metres/second, picks up the bike. Not before then he can drive on.
2. In case of harder crashes the bike get a problem that the bike makes slower (lets say between 0.5 and 1 sec per lap), In case of the next hard crash another 0.5-1 second.

So the riders would be more respectful and the results are more interesting because they are not only determinated by speed, but also by driving style, race intelligence, ...and all can finish the race.


That's my wishes to PiBoSo.


Selfmade there will still be collissions, it's a normal thing. But I think much lesser. And so all in all the fun factor should be increasing a lot.


At the end I would say (because I'm often criticize things): Don't missunderstand me. I will not retireing from the championship.  :)

BR Olaf

The whole point of a "Hawk MODE" as you call it(Lol!  ;D) would be to train riders to race at a sensible pace and be respectful to other riders who may not be as fast as they are, and to stop riders often acting like Kamkazi pilots bashing into other riders and causing crashes during their over-taking manoeuvres. If riders knew that one crash and they'd be out of the race then after a few races it would suddenly dawn on them that by taking it steadier and riding within their limits then they'd not only finish the race but would stand a chance of winning the race too. No rider in the real world rides like riders do in GPBikes or they'd be dead or soon would be. Lol! ;D

As for this point: If you had a simulation of bikes being damaged after crashes so that they'd be rideable but were slower then all you'd get would be riders quitting the race because they knew they stood no chance of catching the leaders anymore because their bikes were damaged and a lot slower and probably worse handling too and therefore causing further crashes.  :)

And collisions are not a normal thing for a simulation.... With all respect that's just gamer talk were gamers accept bashing into each other and getting away with it(games like Milestones MotoGP for instance), but it shouldn't be accepted in a "Simulation" like GPbikes, it should be frowned upon. Having said that, there will always be the odd situation which cannot be avoided just the same as in reality when two bikes collide, but this situation should be a rarity not a common accepted situation. :)

Sometimes you have to give some tough love to get "gamer-riders" to convert their current poor race-craft into true race-craft.  ;D 8)

Just my personal opinions on your reasonings and responses to my post you quoted above.  ;) 8)
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Manu on March 15, 2018, 05:29:22 PM
I would bet for an iRacing penalty system. That is, if the rider hits another rider, they receive a time penalty. Depending on the speed or magnitude of the impact, the penalty will be higher. It would also be cumulative and at the sum of "x" impacts the rider is disqualified from the race.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Rodrigovis on March 15, 2018, 05:40:10 PM
simple method ... I think it's easy to apply even if it's after the race ...efficient
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Phathry25 on March 15, 2018, 09:23:06 PM
That's not the iRacing system at all.  :o
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Manu on March 15, 2018, 11:53:53 PM
Quote from: Phathry25 on March 15, 2018, 09:23:06 PM
That's not the iRacing system at all.  :o

The iracing penalty system works through contact sanctions.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Gzehoo on March 17, 2018, 09:32:16 PM
Results and replays uploaded in the first post.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 17, 2018, 10:07:02 PM
Even though I have said twice in this thread that those results are wrong due to the track missing laps no one else seems bothered so maybe it just affects me. I should be only 1 lap down and my race time should be used to work out the subsequent position.

We will see this again no doubt  ::) bloody game.

Cheers Gz.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Olaf Lehmann on March 18, 2018, 09:49:44 AM
It seems GPB forgot to count your lap 19, Napalm Nick. It seems a bug of GPB.

But your are not alone with your critic on the ranking system. It's a bug in it, independent of eventual GPB bugs.

For Bugatti I couldn't make my grids comparision, because I hadn't the race export from 15CET race (the shortcut doesn't work for my GPB2in1 tool). And maybe it's unwelcome from the race organisators?

I can't take the existing ranking for seriously (the reasons I had explained in an other thread). So the championchip is sadly only a number of single races for me.

BR Olaf
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Gzehoo on March 18, 2018, 11:11:46 AM
Updated results.
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: Rodrigovis on March 18, 2018, 11:47:09 AM
tks
Title: Re: [ROUND 3] Bugatti
Post by: tchemi on March 21, 2018, 05:03:30 AM
Quote from: Manu on March 15, 2018, 05:29:22 PM
I would bet for an iRacing penalty system. That is, if the rider hits another rider, they receive a time penalty. Depending on the speed or magnitude of the impact, the penalty will be higher. It would also be cumulative and at the sum of "x" impacts the rider is disqualified from the race.

I experienced very very very frustrating moments with this kind of system. It will work 9 times on 10. But the 10th time, when YOU will be punished against a f*cking dumb morron rider that hit you, you will break everything around you ^^

This kind of system is very difficult to develop. I prefer nothing, rather than a unstable system like this.

This kind of system must be referenced and penalized by humans