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Soon, hopefully, work will start on a new official track.

Which one would you prefer?
Please vote ( you can choose two! ) and please write your opinion, too.

Tandragee 100, North West 200, Kells, Enniskillen, Skerries 100, Walderstown, Faugheen, Armoy, Ulster Grand Prix, Killalane. Because they are not ordinary and therefore even tedious tracks.(Google translate)

my answer is still Ledenon  ;D

Leguna would be fitting and you have the base from an old Alpha.

Otherwise a track from the GP calenda would be wise.

DD

Quote from: Reactive on December 03, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
my answer is still Ledenon  ;D

Amazing circuit, but it has two problems:
1) it's very short and twisty, not very well suited for GP bikes
2) it never hosted a GP race

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 09:36:22 PM

Quote from: Reactive on December 03, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
my answer is still Ledenon  ;D

Amazing circuit, but it has two problems:
1) it's very short and twisty, not very well suited for GP bikes
2) it never hosted a GP race

Does that not say something about the limitations of GPBikes maybe?

Maybe that is something that needs to be worked on then...

Quote from: matty0l215 on December 03, 2018, 09:44:20 PM

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 09:36:22 PM

Quote from: Reactive on December 03, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
my answer is still Ledenon  ;D

Amazing circuit, but it has two problems:
1) it's very short and twisty, not very well suited for GP bikes
2) it never hosted a GP race

Does that not say something about the limitations of GPBikes maybe?

Maybe that is something that needs to be worked on then...

GP bikes in general, not GPB.
Ledenon looks like the first part of the Sachsenring, that many riders complain about.

Sadly, there is also indeed a problem with GPB and turns up and downhill.
But this issue is under investigation and will hopefully be solved sooner than later, so it shouldn't impact the track decision.

Fair enough

Donnington gets my vote but A proper and current version of Assen would be a better choice in my opinion

I'll go for Donington too.

A track that is varied enough to hold interest and works well with GPB would be SPA

Quote from: matty0l215 on December 03, 2018, 10:08:31 PM
Donnington gets my vote but A proper and current version of Assen would be a better choice in my opinion

To be honest, I strongly dislike the post-2005 Assen.
In my opinion they destroyed what made the circuit special, to shorten and "normalize" the layout. All purely for monetary reasons  >:(

Mugiallo.  ;D

Quote from: Blackheart on December 03, 2018, 10:16:22 PM
Mugiallo.  ;D

(https://www.fanclubvalentinorossi.net/nuovo/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/mugello-2017.jpg)

SPA, the greatest/historical/exciting original track before the advent of the blandosphere tracks.

PS: "Uphill downhill sooner or later". Now there's a glimmer of hope. I hope you don't have your tongue in the cheek.

Quote from: Napalm Nick on December 03, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
SPA, the greatest/historical/exciting original track before the advent of the blandosphere tracks.

Old bus stop or new chicane?

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 10:14:12 PM

Quote from: matty0l215 on December 03, 2018, 10:08:31 PM
Donnington gets my vote but A proper and current version of Assen would be a better choice in my opinion

To be honest, I strongly dislike the post-2005 Assen.
In my opinion they destroyed what made the circuit special, to shorten and "normalize" the layout. All purely for monetary reasons  >:(

For the first time in 10 years i actually agree with something you say. Who would`ve known....

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 10:35:37 PM

Quote from: Napalm Nick on December 03, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
SPA, the greatest/historical/exciting original track before the advent of the blandosphere tracks.

Old bus stop or new chicane?

Both options of course  ;)

Personally the bus stop keeps a flow going but I wouldn't want to alienate the youngsters and to be honest I like them both equally as far as racing opportunities go.

HOVIS! , as they say, - Best of Both.    (English advert)

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 09:36:22 PM
Ledenon:
Amazing circuit, but it has two problems:
1) it's very short and twisty, not very well suited for GP bikes
2) it never hosted a GP race

So and what? What is the point to make ONE track from whole GP calendar? What is the point for your modeller to create again the track wich was already modeled tens times before?
Ledenon, just as an example on another hand, being very twisty can be very helpful to train the riders and (the main thing) will help to you to fix the bike`s behaviour on the inclined (sloped?) turns. Ok, i totally agree that its not suited for GP-bikes.
So, how about a third way? Easy recognisable by name, very unique, fast racing tracks, which yet not created in 3d? Everybody will have their own interest with them, i guess :)
www.sportvideos.tv/michael-schumacher-onboard-footage-of-formula-1-dream-circuit
www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/7wh35r/coulthards_dream_track
http://f1i.com/news/84341-toro-rosso-unveils-fans-dream-circuit.html
www.reddit.com/r/wec/comments/3eywnt/gdrives_wec_dream_track
and so forth...

Quote from: Reactive on December 03, 2018, 11:09:09 PM

So, how about a third way? Easy recognisable by name, very unique, fast racing tracks, wich yet not created in 3d? Everybody will have their own interest with them, i guess :)
www.sportvideos.tv/michael-schumacher-onboard-footage-of-formula-1-dream-circuit
www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/7wh35r/coulthards_dream_track
http://f1i.com/news/84341-toro-rosso-unveils-fans-dream-circuit.html
www.reddit.com/r/wec/comments/3eywnt/gdrives_wec_dream_track
and so forth...

I like it!

also

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/902991/1/motogp-riders-draw-dream-circuits

Fantasy tracks don't sell games.  Especially those billed as hardcore simulations.

Mugello  8)

Quote from: Phathry25 on December 04, 2018, 01:46:12 AM
Fantasy tracks don't sell games.  Especially those billed as hardcore simulations.

So for you the dream track by one of the legendary racing champions is the same as fantasy track by your young neighbour? "Fantasy tracks dont sell games", ok, but couple of tracks which was tens times modeled before — do? Fantasy tracks, huh... Im sure the creators of TestDrive Unlimited or Crew games criyng, hearing this. (RidgeRacer, TrackMania, first NFSs, CarX and Furidashi didnt listed, ok)
:P

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 10:14:12 PM

Quote from: matty0l215 on December 03, 2018, 10:08:31 PM
Donnington gets my vote but A proper and current version of Assen would be a better choice in my opinion

To be honest, I strongly dislike the post-2005 Assen.
In my opinion they destroyed what made the circuit special, to shorten and "normalize" the layout. All purely for monetary reasons  >:(

Does that mean current Assen is a no-option? Like I said in a different thread, in my personal opinion, you should not rule out certain options just because of your personal opinion. Let the community decide. If they also majoritarianly dislike new layout, then discard the option. If not then consider it. I personally like the shortened Assen layout very much.

As for tracks in general: I am a bit torn between classic courses like Mugello, Jerez which would be a great fit, but have already quite good mod versions. So the surplus of having the track as an official track would be moderate. Then there are courses like Assen, Misano, Valencia that have not a very good mod version.

My vote would be for Assen (short version or both?), Valencia, Donington or Sepang. Assen, Donington and Sepang would also be great tracks for WRS, Valencia probably not so much because it would be hard to overtake there.

You guy seems to forget that the main reason for official track is now to make sales, we already have almost what we want with mod track so i think Mugello and Laguna Seca will be the most appropriate to be as the "Official" track for GPB ........ surelly not fantasy track .........

Misano: version Javiliyors 10/10
Donington: version Javiliyors 10/10
Laguna:
Jerez: version Javiliyors 10/10
Mugello:

The circuits of Misano, Donington and Jerez are to work for nothing, the Spaniards will make you a bigger void than there is in the visible universe, to play online. I vote for laguna seca or mugello.

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 10:35:37 PM

Quote from: Napalm Nick on December 03, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
SPA, the greatest/historical/exciting original track before the advent of the blandosphere tracks.

Old bus stop or new chicane?

The both. ;D
Agree with Napalm Nick, and you could easily include it with WRS.

I agree with SPA too good has it all track

DD

Quote from: SwarleyRuiz on December 04, 2018, 07:15:38 AM
Misano: version Javiliyors 10/10
Donington: version Javiliyors 10/10
Laguna:
Jerez: version Javiliyors 10/10
Mugello:

The circuits of Misano, Donington and Jerez are to work for nothing, the Spaniards will make you a bigger void than there is in the visible universe, to play online. I vote for laguna seca or mugello.

They are all Rips from other games along with 90% of the content we currently have.

For me, Mugello is the one, along with Assen, because imo both tracks are the best tracks in the world  :D

MCF

Misano out!
Assen and Spa in!
Votes reset!
Please vote again!

Quote from: SwarleyRuiz on December 04, 2018, 07:15:38 AM
Misano: version Javiliyors 10/10

Is it really 10/10?
Judging from videos, the track surface, trackside objects and textures do look good, but it doesn't seem to use any shader or 3D grass. Also, the normals seem incorrect in many places and transparencies don't seem to be handled properly.

I personally think there are other more important issues that need to be worked on in GP-Bikes, but as you will go ahead and do this anyway, I vote for:

Assen Pre-2006.  ;)

Why?: Cause they ruined the original Assen track layout with the current new Assen track layout like they have with so many other classic track layouts in my opinion, and it would be great to have a very good GPBikes version of this classic Assen-TT circuit available.... It's a fast and exciting track to ride - all the riders and fans loved it!  ;D 8)

Quote from: poumpouny on December 04, 2018, 07:06:35 AM
You guy seems to forget that the main reason for official track is now to make sales, we already have almost what we want with mod track so i think Mugello and Laguna Seca will be the most appropriate to be as the "Official" track for GPB ........ surelly not fantasy track .........

Oh, really? I always thought the Unique Selling Proposition sales anything (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unique_selling_proposition). Which real circuit will be this "proposition"? Are you sure its important for players here to have official Mugello or LagunaSeca? Instead of Misano, why? Keep in mind, that current vote is for players, who already plays GPB. So they choosed GPB not because of tracks, obviously.
How many of you didnt played the Ride 1-2-3 because it didnt had your favourite track?
Anyway, next track will not be really official too, so what is the difference between developer`s non official and community`s non official versions?
And how do you think, which advert sounds better: "we have a few circuits, which looks similar to real" or "we recreated the dream of one of the legendary racing champions"?
If Piboso actually wants more quality content, so may be its better concentrate to write a complex check list for modders? About pixel density, normals and smoothing groups, welded vertices, packaging the UVs, avoiding Z-fighting and so like?

Given the choices in the poll  ::), I vote for other:

-Assen POST-2006

Quote from: Stout Johnson on December 04, 2018, 12:18:25 PM
Given the choices in the poll  ::), I vote for other:

-Assen POST-2006

No second-choice?

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 04, 2018, 12:53:01 PM

Quote from: Stout Johnson on December 04, 2018, 12:18:25 PM
Given the choices in the poll  ::), I vote for other:

-Assen POST-2006

No second-choice?

Valencia

I worry for old versions. How much of the community or indeed the future target audience remember them or even care for them?

It's like the bikes, only 'bikers' who appreciate all motorcycles old and new are interested in the classic stuff.

My feeling is most people are the modern motogp audience not really bikers tbh. 

At least your track setup allows alternate versions so why not broaden the audience interest in making all the versions as alternate options. More work of course but a much wider audience and definitely more gain than pain?

Some are pretty much unrecognisabl now of course

Old Assen 2001 backward. Or some road race as commented -aGy-

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 04, 2018, 11:31:25 AM

Quote from: SwarleyRuiz on December 04, 2018, 07:15:38 AM
Misano: version Javiliyors 10/10

Is it really 10/10?
Judging from videos, the track surface, trackside objects and textures do look good, but it doesn't seem to use any shader or 3D grass. Also, the normals seem incorrect in many places and transparencies don't seem to be handled properly.

Well, my version is a so good.... obviously not is perfect but is really nice, and my jerez and donington is a really awesome, i prefer old assen or laguna, and if u can, Jarama os a old track of 500cc is a good idea

The main difference of official and mod track is that official track is installed directly with gpbikes, so one didn't need to scrool for forum, download stuff, learn how to install mod before beeing able to ride in such a classic moto gp track as Mugello and trust me, this thing is really important to new player for "first impression" off course if one buy a moto gp simulator, he will ask first for the official moto gp track/bike first ........ i think it's that simple ........

Quote from: javiliyors on December 04, 2018, 01:28:54 PM

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 04, 2018, 11:31:25 AM

Quote from: SwarleyRuiz on December 04, 2018, 07:15:38 AM
Misano: version Javiliyors 10/10

Is it really 10/10?
Judging from videos, the track surface, trackside objects and textures do look good, but it doesn't seem to use any shader or 3D grass. Also, the normals seem incorrect in many places and transparencies don't seem to be handled properly.

Well, my version is a so good.... obviously not is perfect but is really nice, and my jerez and donington is a really awesome, i prefer old assen or laguna, and if u can, Jarama os a old track of 500cc is a good idea

I think the same

Quote from: Napalm Nick on December 04, 2018, 01:02:34 PM
I worry for old versions. How much of the community or indeed the future target audience remember them or even care for them?

There are two problems:
1) the development team is tiny, so it's not possible to replicate the latest season
2) even if the latest season is replicated, it would quickly become obsolete, because there is no yearly version of GPB

Quote
It's like the bikes, only 'bikers' who appreciate all motorcycles old and new are interested in the classic stuff.

My feeling is most people are the modern motogp audience not really bikers tbh. 

They should stick to the official MotoGP games then  :)

I voted for Mugello and Jerez.
However, I wanted to propose Motorland Aragon :-X

Quote from: javiliyors on December 04, 2018, 01:28:54 PM

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 04, 2018, 11:31:25 AM

Quote from: SwarleyRuiz on December 04, 2018, 07:15:38 AM
Misano: version Javiliyors 10/10

Is it really 10/10?
Judging from videos, the track surface, trackside objects and textures do look good, but it doesn't seem to use any shader or 3D grass. Also, the normals seem incorrect in many places and transparencies don't seem to be handled properly.

Well, my version is a so good.... obviously not is perfect but is really nice, and my jerez and donington is a really awesome, i prefer old assen or laguna, and if u can, Jarama os a old track of 500cc is a good idea

I didn't mean to degrade your work on Misano.
Only pointing out that there is room for improvement.

I agree that making another Jerez and Donington ( that would be the third! ) version is probably not a good idea.

Jarama is an amazing circuit! Too bad it hasn't been used in a world championship race in decades  :(

Mugello:

• GP track since 1994
• The layout never changed (as far as i know)
• Time references for MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3, 250, 125, 500, SBK (CIV)

Jerez:

• GP track since 1987
• The layout never changed (?)
• Time references for MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3, 250, 125, 500, SBK

I remember having an "official" Laguna Seca a long time ago in GPB. What happened to this track?

Quote from: Gibbon on December 04, 2018, 04:00:56 PM
Jerez:

• GP track since 1987
• The layout never changed (?)
• Time references for MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3, 250, 125, 500, SBK

I remember having an "official" Laguna Seca a long time ago in GPB. What happened to this track?

1985 - 1992

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Circuito_de_Jerez_%281985-1992%29.svg/220px-Circuito_de_Jerez_%281985-1992%29.svg.png)

1993 - today

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Jerez.svg/220px-Jerez.svg.png)

No one even mention Brno ?

If PiBoSo have make the new track, will Victoria Circuit be deleted? Or will we have 2 official track?

I am from Jerez, but i loved Mugello. voted for Mugello

Quote from: DidietXFuera on December 04, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
If PiBoSo have make the new track, will Victoria Circuit be deleted? Or will we have 2 official track?

Most probably 2 official tracks. Why delete Victoria, it's a good track.

Quote from: guigui404 on December 04, 2018, 04:33:50 PM
No one even mention Brno ?

+1 on that guigui.  ;) 8)

Brno for my 2nd choice.....

Great track to race on!  ;D

Balls didn't think of Brno...

Ignore my Donnington vote, Brno for my 2nd choice ;D

I must admit I did think of Brno at first so yes a second choice for me too. 

I think a motogp track is needed to attract other people, so I voted Mugello and Jerez

I would vote for portimao

Donny and Brno

Brno

Yes Portimao! I love this track with elevation changes.

Brno is really good too............so many to chose from!!!

I personally would like to see some smaller club tracks integrated, as many of the large GP tracks already made to a high quality by modders, and I've turned many laps in most of the large tracks in many many sims throughout the years. I'm obviously biased with British tracks and road racing tracks, (As I'm British duh), but if I had to choose, I'd say something like Billown, Cadwell, or even something smaller like Darley. But for international tracks I'd have to say something like Barber Motorsports Park in US, Loudon or Sebring in Florida.

God theres so many to choose :/
But to narrow it down a top 3:
1: Darley Moor
2: Cadwell Park
3: Barber Motorsports Park

With the current physics Cadwell does not Workwell   ;)

Also, is there going to be support for hill climbs or point to points in the near future, as I think it'd be cool to be able to do something like the Course de Côte Villers sous Chalamont in france or Pikes Peak in Colorado.

Quote from: h106frp on December 05, 2018, 04:04:24 PM
With the current physics Cadwell does not Workwell   ;)

probably not, but it'd be a great baseline test to work on suspension and tyre moddeling/physics  :)

Converted a few different tracks for testing with CAWS that proved unrideable (in an enjoyable or useful way) at the moment.
Basically fast changes of direction, hard braking, crests and inclines are all a bit of a disaster at the moment so nicely flowing circuits are probably the best bet, probably why the more 'classic' tracks are proving poular choices.

Quote from: h106frp on December 05, 2018, 04:49:49 PM
Converted a few different tracks for testing with CAWS that proved unrideable (in an enjoyable or useful way) at the moment.
Basically fast changes of direction, hard braking, crests and inclines are all a bit of a disaster at the moment so nicely flowing circuits are probably the best bet, probably why the more 'classic' tracks are proving poular choices.

In hindsight, this is perhaps best left to Modders, as if official content seems buggy it can be a little un-proffessional and off-putting. But at the same time modders tend to shy away from these tracks as they don't work well. So its seems a cycle, and someone breaking that cycle to push the physics into a really buggy mess may be whats needed to give a little boost to GPB, and if it is official content then it would require attention from Piboso him/herself, (<-do we actually know at this point), thus again boosting development of GPB

In regards to the smooth and flowing tracks I'd personally like to see Thruxton if Cadwell isn't an option, as that's pretty much flat and extremely flowing, but has good racing too.


PS: Before I offend anyone its my opinion and yours may vary  ;D

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 05, 2018, 06:06:04 PM

Quote from: h106frp on December 05, 2018, 04:49:49 PM
Converted a few different tracks for testing with CAWS that proved unrideable (in an enjoyable or useful way) at the moment.
Basically fast changes of direction, hard braking, crests and inclines are all a bit of a disaster at the moment so nicely flowing circuits are probably the best bet, probably why the more 'classic' tracks are proving poular choices.

In hindsight, this is perhaps best left to Modders, as if official content seems buggy it can be a little un-proffessional and off-putting. But at the same time modders tend to shy away from these tracks as they don't work well. So its seems a cycle, and someone breaking that cycle to push the physics into a really buggy mess may be whats needed to give a little boost to GPB, and if it is official content then it would require attention from Piboso him/herself, (<-do we actually know at this point), thus again boosting development of GPB

In regards to the smooth and flowing tracks I'd personally like to see Thruxton if Cadwell isn't an option, as that's pretty much flat and extremely flowing, but has good racing too.


PS: Before I offend anyone its my opinion and yours may vary  ;D

Firstly. Modders have never shy'd away from creating anything as far as I am aware.  ;)

The modders have done exactly what you've suggested and a lot more over the years - have you looked inside the track and bike databases at all the tracks, bikes, helmets and paints provided by community modders? Believe me, many past and current bugs have been found because of the modders work and community together over the years..... Some bugs are still awaiting a fix and Piboso has said they are currently under investigation. ;)

Hope I've not misunderstood your point of view and also hope these facts have updated your "opinion" to the current status..... No offence taken.  ;) 8)

Quote from: Hawk on December 05, 2018, 08:08:56 PM

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 05, 2018, 06:06:04 PM

Quote from: h106frp on December 05, 2018, 04:49:49 PM
Converted a few different tracks for testing with CAWS that proved unrideable (in an enjoyable or useful way) at the moment.
Basically fast changes of direction, hard braking, crests and inclines are all a bit of a disaster at the moment so nicely flowing circuits are probably the best bet, probably why the more 'classic' tracks are proving poular choices.

In hindsight, this is perhaps best left to Modders, as if official content seems buggy it can be a little un-proffessional and off-putting. But at the same time modders tend to shy away from these tracks as they don't work well. So its seems a cycle, and someone breaking that cycle to push the physics into a really buggy mess may be whats needed to give a little boost to GPB, and if it is official content then it would require attention from Piboso him/herself, (<-do we actually know at this point), thus again boosting development of GPB

In regards to the smooth and flowing tracks I'd personally like to see Thruxton if Cadwell isn't an option, as that's pretty much flat and extremely flowing, but has good racing too.


PS: Before I offend anyone its my opinion and yours may vary  ;D

Firstly. Modders have never shy'd away from creating anything as far as I am aware.  ;)

The modders have done exactly what you've suggested and a lot more over the years - have you looked inside the track and bike databases at all the tracks, bikes, helmets and paints provided by community modders? Believe me, many past and current bugs have been found because of the modders work and community together over the years..... Some bugs are still awaiting a fix and Piboso has said they are currently under investigation. ;)

Hope I've not misunderstood your point of view and also hope these facts have updated your "opinion" to the current status..... No offence taken.  ;) 8)

No you're right in terms of whats available (Didn't intend to belittle modders if thats what it looked like sorry), and there are mods out there for pretty much anything. My theory is that if its official content any issues would be flagged and (hopefully) fixed quickly, as official content being buggy isn't ideal in 2018.

As for cadwell, the only version I can find is quite an old version, which is out of date and has a tonne of bugs in it, so an official version would have hopefully ironed those out. If you know of a newer version a link would be much appreciated.

Thruxton isn't in the game at all to my knowledge and would be a great track to ride in GPB imo, which is why either that or Cadwell, or another smaller track would be great, but again IDK if this would be better for modders to embark on, as small tracks that aren't international don't have the same appeal to the larger audience than the big GP tracks. I have had several goes myself at making a track, but quite frankly I couldn't achieve the quality I was looking for, in RTB, BTB, 3DS Max or anything else really.

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 05, 2018, 08:24:47 PM

Quote from: Hawk on December 05, 2018, 08:08:56 PM

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 05, 2018, 06:06:04 PM

Quote from: h106frp on December 05, 2018, 04:49:49 PM
Converted a few different tracks for testing with CAWS that proved unrideable (in an enjoyable or useful way) at the moment.
Basically fast changes of direction, hard braking, crests and inclines are all a bit of a disaster at the moment so nicely flowing circuits are probably the best bet, probably why the more 'classic' tracks are proving poular choices.

In hindsight, this is perhaps best left to Modders, as if official content seems buggy it can be a little un-proffessional and off-putting. But at the same time modders tend to shy away from these tracks as they don't work well. So its seems a cycle, and someone breaking that cycle to push the physics into a really buggy mess may be whats needed to give a little boost to GPB, and if it is official content then it would require attention from Piboso him/herself, (<-do we actually know at this point), thus again boosting development of GPB

In regards to the smooth and flowing tracks I'd personally like to see Thruxton if Cadwell isn't an option, as that's pretty much flat and extremely flowing, but has good racing too.


PS: Before I offend anyone its my opinion and yours may vary  ;D

Firstly. Modders have never shy'd away from creating anything as far as I am aware.  ;)

The modders have done exactly what you've suggested and a lot more over the years - have you looked inside the track and bike databases at all the tracks, bikes, helmets and paints provided by community modders? Believe me, many past and current bugs have been found because of the modders work and community together over the years..... Some bugs are still awaiting a fix and Piboso has said they are currently under investigation. ;)

Hope I've not misunderstood your point of view and also hope these facts have updated your "opinion" to the current status..... No offence taken.  ;) 8)

No you're right in terms of whats available (Didn't intend to belittle modders if thats what it looked like sorry), and there are mods out there for pretty much anything. My theory is that if its official content any issues would be flagged and (hopefully) fixed quickly, as official content being buggy isn't ideal in 2018.

As for cadwell, the only version I can find is quite an old version, which is out of date and has a tonne of bugs in it, so an official version would have hopefully ironed those out. If you know of a newer version a link would be much appreciated.

Thruxton isn't in the game at all to my knowledge and would be a great track to ride in GPB imo, which is why either that or Cadwell, or another smaller track would be great, but again IDK if this would be better for modders to embark on, as small tracks that aren't international don't have the same appeal to the larger audience than the big GP tracks. I have had several goes myself at making a track, but quite frankly I couldn't achieve the quality I was looking for, in RTB, BTB, 3DS Max or anything else really.

Indeed.... I understand what your saying there mate, and I agree that Thruxton would be a great addition to GPBikes; I love the British club tracks myself.  ;D 8)

The only tracks I could recommend to you on that basis would be "Croft"(There are smooth and bumpy versions available, bumpy being the more realistic version denoted by the "b" in the filename), "Castle Comb" and "Goodwood" are also there in the track database for download that I would recommend for British Club racing type circuits in GPB. We had many great event races on these tracks especially on the Moto3 bikes.  ;D

My written submission is Brno.

Mugello and Valencia for me.

Mugello guys? What's wrong with the Mugello track we already have? Let's at least vote for a track we haven't got or one that an official track could  greatly improve on?  :)

Just my thoughts and opinion guys.  :) 8)

Quote from: Hawk on December 08, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
Mugello guys? What's wrong with the Mugello track we already have? Let's at least vote for a track we haven't got or one that an official track could  greatly improve on?  :)

Just my thoughts and opinion guys.  :) 8)

What is wrong? Curbs, easy awnser  :D

MCF

Quote from: Hawk on December 08, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
Mugello guys? What's wrong with the Mugello track we already have?

It would indeed be interesting to know.

This version looks great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riv9e5H7Glw
It would be difficult to improve it.

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 08, 2018, 05:39:37 PM

Quote from: Hawk on December 08, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
Mugello guys? What's wrong with the Mugello track we already have?

It would indeed be interesting to know.

This version looks great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riv9e5H7Glw
It would be difficult to improve it.

Victoria is far better. Official (also with a different name) and not" ripped\conversion" in GPB will be just a plus, and imo the best choice to sell some more copies. (I mean on Steam).

P.S. We have any tracks of this poll... ;D

For me a track that isn't already in the game would be awesome, maybe even a classic track. Mugello is a great mod and for me doesn't need a rework, as it seems to work near perfectly as is. As for the kerbs, with exception to the pit exit, and last corner, I don't see the real world riders using them unless they've messed up. And the pit exit and last corner in GPB are perfectly rideable. Its a similar story for me with Brno. Sure the current GPB version is based off an older version of the track, and some textures are possibly a little blurry here and there, but again its not bad enough to warrant a complete rework imo,  a capable modder, (not me as I'm completely inept lol) wouldn't have much issue adding some HD textures and possible updates. Hell I don't even like Brno its a dull af track IMO, and I've done hundreds of laps, maybe thousands across various Sims and games, GPB inc.

I personally would like to see a track that isn't in GPB at all, as some completely fresh content would give people some cool things to play with, rather than just another version of something that already exists, especially as the content that could possibly be replaced is better and less glitchy than most milestone games ATM XD

If the situation is the same as it is with Victoria then the track won't be licensed anyway, which means that having a big GP circuit may be irrelevant if the name isn't immediately obvious, which to me is another reason for not having Mugello or Brno, as perspective buyers may not even realize what track it is, thus defeating the object of having said track.

Some more obscure circuits for me would be more fun, and possibly more beneficial to GPB (I'm not a businessman so I couldn't honestly give a prediction), something that would have to be learned fresh, and is potentially challenging. I already mentioned Thruxton and some smaller tracks, but alternatively the Salzburgring could be fun to use, and could also be a period track for the GP500, and other classic bikes.

http://www.racingcircuits.info/a-to-z-circuit-list.html

http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racingcircuits/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_racing_tracks

These are just a few of the tracks in the world, and I would think there to be a few hidden gems in there, rather than defaulting to the purpose built "Tilke-dromes" that most Grand Prix events use.

Quote from: Blackheart on December 08, 2018, 06:51:19 PM

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 08, 2018, 05:39:37 PM

Quote from: Hawk on December 08, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
Mugello guys? What's wrong with the Mugello track we already have?

It would indeed be interesting to know.

This version looks great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riv9e5H7Glw
It would be difficult to improve it.

Victoria is far better. Official (also with a different name) and not" ripped\conversion" in GPB will be just a plus, and imo the best choice to sell some more copies. (I mean on Steam).

P.S. We have any tracks of this poll... ;D

@Piboso: +1 Totally agree with you.  ;)


@BH - In answer to your statements:
1. Do you seriously believe that just one or two "Official Tracks" is going to convince someone to buy GPBikes? I don't think so, you'd need a whole seasons pack of "Officially" Licensed tracks and bikes to make any impression on that subject.

2. Victoria better? Personally I wouldn't say so.... At best on par maybe at a push?

3. We may have all the tracks in the poll in the database already, but many desperately need renewing up to a good decent standard.

Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on December 08, 2018, 05:39:10 PM

Quote from: Hawk on December 08, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
Mugello guys? What's wrong with the Mugello track we already have? Let's at least vote for a track we haven't got or one that an official track could  greatly improve on?  :)

Just my thoughts and opinion guys.  :) 8)

What is wrong? Curbs, easy answer  :D

MCF

Lol! What makes you think that Piboso would model the kerbs on Mugello flat anyway?  Piboso develops simulators not games. ;D

Totally agree with your points Hawk, having un-licensed replicas of tracks that are licensed elsewhere won't bring people to GPB, which is why I'm suggesting something that isn't seen in another (or many) sims, something different to make it interesting.

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 08, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
Totally agree with your points Hawk, having un-licensed replicas of tracks that are licensed elsewhere won't bring people to GPB, which is why I'm suggesting something that isn't seen in another (or many) sims, something different to make it interesting.

GPB must also stay true to its vision and scope, though.

Modders are, of course, free to do whatever they like, but at the core GPB is a simulator about relatively modern GP motorcycles. Therefore, the stock tracks should be circuits that hosted the GP championship in recent years.

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 08, 2018, 08:33:30 PM

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 08, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
Totally agree with your points Hawk, having un-licensed replicas of tracks that are licensed elsewhere won't bring people to GPB, which is why I'm suggesting something that isn't seen in another (or many) sims, something different to make it interesting.

GPB must also stay true to its vision and scope, though.

Modders are, of course, free to do whatever they like, but at the core GPB is a simulator about relatively modern GP motorcycles. Therefore, the stock tracks should be real circuits that hosted the GP championship in recent years.

I wouldn't be so sure about that Pib?
If you think about it, the "Classic" genre might just be what GPBikes needs to widen it's appeal? Is there any other bike racing game that caters for the true classic bikes and tracks as well as the modern genre of MotoGP? There could be a little extra niche opening there that GPBikes could appeal to?
Plus as a wild guess I would say that the more "hard-core simulations" appeal more to the older age groups than the younger "gamer" type groups.... the older generation tend to be drawn more to the classic eras as well as the modern?  :)

Quote from: Hawk on December 08, 2018, 08:44:35 PM

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 08, 2018, 08:33:30 PM

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 08, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
Totally agree with your points Hawk, having un-licensed replicas of tracks that are licensed elsewhere won't bring people to GPB, which is why I'm suggesting something that isn't seen in another (or many) sims, something different to make it interesting.

GPB must also stay true to its vision and scope, though.

Modders are, of course, free to do whatever they like, but at the core GPB is a simulator about relatively modern GP motorcycles. Therefore, the stock tracks should be real circuits that hosted the GP championship in recent years.

I wouldn't be so sure about that Pib?
If you think about it, the "Classic" genre might just be what GPBikes needs to widen it's appeal? Is there any other bike racing game that caters for the true classic bikes and tracks as well as the modern genre of MotoGP? There could be a little extra niche opening there that GPBikes could appeal to?
Plus as a wild guess I would say that the more "hard-core simulations" appeal more to the older age groups than the younger "gamer" type groups.... the older generation tend to be drawn more to the classic eras as well as the modern?  :)

TBF, I don't know what the initial Idea was behind GPB, or what vision there was for its development path, but it just feels like there have always been games (Of varying Realism) surrounding Grand Prix Racing, and doing something different maybe just whats needed to spice up things in the market. Tourist trophy was a great game back int' day, as that focused more on racing and not GP's, and I get the impression that's one reason as to why that makes the Ride series so popular now, as its something fresh and different.

I mean if your set on going for Grand Prix tracks there are so many again that are not seen in many games/sims that could be fun to ride, like the Salzburgring, or Rijeka (Automotodrom Grobnik), or even the Brazilian track which I seriously enjoyed back in MotoGP 4, it was called Jacarepaguá or nelson Pique Circuit. Sadly it was torn up for the Olympics, but it was an awesomely fun track to ride in that game, that perhaps isn't what is associated with 'fun' motorcycle riding as it maybe isn't as flowing as most. (But then again I did a track day at donnington and thought the Melbourne Loop was the most fun part over the rest of the track so maybe I'm Just weird).

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that there are so many circuits out there that haven't been seen often before, in both GP's, WSBK, or at club level, that could really be fun additions to GPB. GPB is so different from pretty much all bike games out there in the fact that its a sim, and the potential of not licensing tracks means that there could be pretty much any track done to a high quality, so to me it seems a shame to do something that is already out there. Both in and out of the GPB world.

Current spa would be a great official track since we don't have a good version in this game and It would be something different to ride motorcycles around than all other GP tracks

Spa isn't a bad Idea, and is quite different to modern GP tracks, but I'm possibly a bit biased, as again its a fairly common track in most racing games these days, and one which I've done a load of laps in, and I'm not sure how GPB physics handle Eau Rouge/Radallion either.
If it was put in however, I'd like to see a period version as well as or instead of the modern version, so like late 80's early 90's, lined with catch fences and hay bales, and again could be a great track for the GP500s, which could do with some love as they don't seem too popular these days sadly. (I could see the track also suiting the GP250s as well if its not too long)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cLV0czIQxA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9SJCE7XuFc

Lined with armco and hay bales ^^   :D

EDIT: Based of these videos Old Spa would be very cool, but I'd like to see the in game grip of the wet tyres reduced, certainly across the older GP500 class, and maybe remove the lean limit when your on the brakes, as I seem to do backwards braking, where I'm light on the entry and heavy when I'm leaned toward the Apex, its sort of backwards. And if there is a way to increase wet weather spray that would be cool too.

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 08, 2018, 09:16:50 PM
Spa isn't a bad Idea, and is quite different to modern GP tracks, but I'm possibly a bit biased, as again its a fairly common track in most racing games these days, and one which I've done a load of laps in, and I'm not sure how GPB physics handle Eau Rouge/Radallion either.
If it was put in however, I'd like to see a period version as well as or instead of the modern version, so like late 80's early 90's, lined with catch fences and hay bales, and again could be a great track for the GP500s, which could do with some love as they don't seem too popular these days sadly. (I could see the track also suiting the GP250s as well if its not too long)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cLV0czIQxA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9SJCE7XuFc

Lined with armco and hay bales ^^   :D

EDIT: Based of these videos Old Spa would be very cool, but I'd like to see the in game grip of the wet tyres reduced, certainly across the older GP500 class, and maybe remove the lean limit when your on the brakes, as I seem to do backwards braking, where I'm light on the entry and heavy when I'm leaned toward the Apex, its sort of backwards. And if there is a way to increase wet weather spray that would be cool too.

+1 Totally agree.... well said mate.  ;)

After some thought and considering the effort required to build tracks;

Assuming people do not really care where the content comes from as long as it looks and plays well would it not be better to use the effort to improve the engine?

Just my (personal) list of priorities;
Lighting model; its difficult to make tracks look better without better lighting, HDR and dynamic shadows would greatly improve the look with the possibility of time of day lighting.
Fix the outstanding issues with transparency - trees and track overlays.
Fix the 3D grass issues (pop up and floating grass)

Quote from: h106frp on December 08, 2018, 09:57:04 PM
After some thought and considering the effort required to build tracks;

Assuming people do not really care where the content comes from as long as it looks and plays well would it not be better to use the effort to improve the engine?

Just my (personal) list of priorities;
Lighting model; its difficult to make tracks look better without better lighting, HDR and dynamic shadows would greatly improve the look with the possibility of time of day lighting.
Fix the outstanding issues with transparency - trees and track overlays.
Fix the 3D grass issues (pop up and floating grass)

I agree completely. Especially if its something that's already in the game, (through Mods Admittedly), such as Mugello and Brno. If it was a completely new track that hasn't had a version of it previously modded then for me it would be more justified.

I personally would like to see a day - night cycle, toggle-able headlights, and refueling/tyre changes for some endurance racing, as some real night racing would be awesome, especially for those with the VR privilege, (not me as I'm poor LOL). Time trial rules and hill climb support wouldn't go amiss either, but at the end of the day that all depends on how far Piboso wants to come away from the GP racing side of things, (would be nice for the engine to support this however even if there is no official content for it). Night racing and multiple light sources would be cool for simulating Losail however.

So i totally miss the point of this thread, it seems that everybody is just telling what's his favorite track ! i thought that this thread was created to add "some" official track to the GPB cores, so one who will buy the game (new customers) will be ready to play on 3 official track without being forced to dig into the mod installation/download nightmare ..... and then make a better first impression
to GPbikes, it has nothing to do with wich track is good or not, it is a Marketing thing ......... so What's wrong with the current Mugello track ? then it's a ripped version from Assetto Corsa ..... just that simple......

Quote from: poumpouny on December 10, 2018, 08:51:59 AM
So i totally miss the point of this thread, it seems that everybody is just telling what's his favorite track ! i thought that this thread was created to add "some" official track to the GPB cores, so one who will buy the game (new customers) will be ready to play on 3 official track without being forced to dig into the mod installation/download nightmare ..... and then make a better first impression
to GPbikes, it has nothing to do with wich track is good or not, it is a Marketing thing ......... so What's wrong with the current Mugello track ? then it's a ripped version from Assetto Corsa ..... just that simple......

Well I'll say yet again here to people with this opinion: Do you really think that one, two, even three official GPBikes tracks will make any difference to more sales compared to all the mod-tracks available? I personally don't think so. You'd need a whole season of official tracks to make that difference your talking about, and that is a heck of a lot of work.

As for installing mods being a nightmare - I can see your point with the mod-bikes due to the addition of the separate tyre files which newbies tend to get confused about, but the track-mods couldn't be simpler to install? ie: Download a track and drop it into a "tracks" folder created inside the gpbikes folder; nightmare? Do you seriously think so?  ??? :)
When was the last time you saw any posts about anyone having trouble actually installing(not downloading) tracks? I can only think of one in the last few years and that was from a newbie how was completely new to using a PC and didn't know about even the basics of operating a PC.

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 04:46:18 PM
Soon, hopefully, work will start on a new official track.

Which one would you prefer?
Please vote ( you can choose two! ) and please write your opinion, too.

Quote from: poumpouny on December 10, 2018, 08:51:59 AM
So i totally miss the point of this thread, it seems that everybody is just telling what's his favorite track ! i thought that this thread was created to add "some" official track to the GPB cores, so one who will buy the game (new customers) will be ready to play on 3 official track without being forced to dig into the mod installation/download nightmare ..... and then make a better first impression
to GPbikes, it has nothing to do with wich track is good or not, it is a Marketing thing ......... so What's wrong with the current Mugello track ? then it's a ripped version from Assetto Corsa ..... just that simple......

We were asked which ones we'd like to see in the sim, as for the reasoning nothing was confirmed to my knowledge so its just a debate as to what people would like to see in the game officially. The likelihood the tracks are licensed is slim to none anyway so if Mugello was put in the game it would have to be renamed so a prospective buyer may not look into a purchase anyway, negating the point of something that's already available to a high quality in mods anyway. That's my take on it anyway.

And installing Mods is literally just copying and pasting the right files into the right folders, not what I'd call a nightmare, and most championships post links to the versions they use in their topic. Workshop support on steam launch would be a nice addition saying that, but its nowhere near a nightmare.

My first impression with gpbikes :

I'm a geek, wich love to hack things, i'm doing 3D modeling and compositing as my job, i'm making DIY simracing accessories etc .... that to say you that i'm not really a guy who is afraid of installing mod but :

i've discovered Gpbikes through youtube, just by searching moto gp simulation for PC (cause i played milestone moto GP 14 on Play Station 3). I'vre tryied the demo and i literraly fall in love, then i see that the demo only offer 1 bike and 1 track. So i immediatly buy the full liscence and big was my surprise when i realised that i only had 2 more bike in return of my 29 Bucks. Then i start searching the internet if there is mod for gpbikes etc ... found this forum / found the thread / download thing ..... It takes me aprox 2 to 3 day before i was able to play ..... and the first track i was serching was mugello, i don't know why ......

80% of normal people would just let it down and ask for refund if gpbikes was released on steam .........

Over 80% of people do research and know what they're buying before splashing out 29€

I know before I bought it I had watched over 10 reviews on GPB, and spent a good few hours on this forum before buying the sim, as I'm a bit of a cautious person when it comes to buying things on the internet, especially from a relatively unknown site.

As a result I knew exactly what I was buying, and what I was getting for my money, and how to improve upon that, and I bought it based upon that. Not a presumption that it'd be full of 20+ tracks and  bikes etc

I don't mean to disregard your experience, but out of all the posts I've read, (and I've read a load more than I've posted)
so far it's only you that seems to have these issues/views
Sure there are improvements and streamlining to be made in terms of modding, but they completely change the game.

TLDR: Do your research before buying something off the internet

@Myst1cPrun3 - that's exactly why steam refund exist ...... to not waste time searching other people opinion and try the game yourself for 2hours, then refund it if you don't like  ;).

So, a demo is useless with steam if i understand well ?

janaucarre : not really, with the Gpbikes case, the demo will be indispensable to really test the physic engine (wich need more time than 2hour to really understand) , when the steam refund is to be sure that the content you have worth the full game price ...... that's why i sayd 80% of people will refund it with only 3 bikes and 1 track .... i think that was already the case when Piboso lauched KRP on steam .........

Again +80% of people will do their research before they buy it, reviews are there for a reason. (Which KRP has mostly positive despite the things your saying, so really this highlights that it's kind of the there way around to what your saying) As KRP has mostly positive reviews, (Even with the content) I would hazard a guess that it's 20%, maybe less who'd refund it because of the reasons your suggesting.

And even then most of the negative reviews are because of crashes, not because of content, so again your point is kind of not accurate. And buying a game for 2 hours and then refunding it is kind of a s****y thing to do imo, as it's messing with people's livelihoods, which isn't really a good thing to do especially for a small dev.

I've refunded about 4 games on my account all together, and that's only because they don't work, and/or aren't being developed anymore to make them work

EDIT: At the end of the day, the original question was which track do we want to see in GPB, not which one do you think will make GPB more marketable, or which one will do better on Steam, and if your desired track does that then great.
Any more official content is good for GPB in my book, especially if it's done to a high, well raceable quality. Whichever tracks Pib chooses will be beneficial to the sim and great fun to use

As we were speaking about crowd funded track...i know there is 3d scanned IoM TT track...do not remember how much it costs...but imagine...a game with so many good racing bikes on a track with so fantastic physics. It would be awesome.

Be nice to have at least 1 modern track and 1 old school track as official content to suit the varese500 and classic riding styles.. maybe a good old road racing circuit from the transatlantic days 😎

I sound like hawk 🤔😄

Quote from: BOBR6 84 on December 11, 2018, 12:04:37 PM
Be nice to have at least 1 modern track and 1 old school track as official content to suit the varese500 and classic riding styles.. maybe a good old road racing circuit from the transatlantic days 😎

I sound like hawk 🤔😄

Lol! Good to hear it Bob!  ;D ;D

About the track type suggestion you made: As we already have an official track used by current MotoGP bikes then that surely leaves only the one choice from the list of options in the poll -  Assen pre-2006?  ;D
The old classic Assen TT circuit is the only track in the poll list we haven't already got a decent to good version of from the track-mod database and for me personally speaking would by far be the best choice rather than recreating what we already have access to?  :)

Trans-Atlantic tracks? Just off the top of my head(please correct me if I'm mistaken), I think we already have decent to good versions of them all now? :)

The current-old version of Assen, (that's a confusing one) that I have installed seems to be a decent quality, although it could do with some updating in terms of kerbing and some textures, but overall seems a good little mod, I would say comparable in quality to the Victoria track. (Not the worst by any stretch)

However it would also open the door to having multiple layouts of it, such as the modern version, the pre '06 layout, and if Pibosos feeling brave, the Old OLD layout, which would be cool for the Norton Manx and 'Legends' Riders imo. They're in the sim so why not use them for me anyway.

I have a vid on the current-old version of Assen up on my yt, it's certainly not the 'worst' quality mod out there imo

Link if anyone is interested:

https://youtu.be/Jdb74XJCz5A

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 11, 2018, 02:58:37 PM
The current-old version of Assen, (that's a confusing one) that I have installed seems to be a decent quality, although it could do with some updating in terms of kerbing and some textures, but overall seems a good little mod, I would say comparable in quality to the Victoria track. (Not the worst by any stretch)

However it would also open the door to having multiple layouts of it, such as the modern version, the pre '06 layout, and if Pibosos feeling brave, the Old OLD layout, which would be cool for the Norton Manx and 'Legends' Riders imo. They're in the sim so why not use them for me anyway.

I have a vid on the current-old version of Assen up on my yt, it's certainly not the 'worst' quality mod out there imo

Link if anyone is interested:

https://youtu.be/Jdb74XJCz5A

That is definitely the version I personally was talking about from the track database that badly needs replacing: It's flat track surface with 1990's model topology(no real details/shape), textures are pretty awful and the track scale/height map and track camber angles are very inaccurate together with inaccurate kerbing. Plus the trees are missing together with other circuit peripheral objects and landscaping.
Basically it is a very very basic representation of the real classic Assen TT circuit and really does need replacing with a good version built from scratch. :)

PS: Like the vid mate... I've not seen that track for a good while; we used to ride it regular in GPbike race events/championships.  ;) 8)

I can't really say how accurate or inaccurate it is compared to the real world version, as I have never ridden it, and was only 8ish when it was changed. There are definitely worse tracks available and it is quite rideable with a decent flow, if it is in need of a texture/bump map/3d update. As for this update, I've only tried a handful of things with track modding and was catastrophically unsuccessful, so I can't say if it's worth updating or would be less work to start from scratch? I'll leave that decision to the people that know what they're doing lol. But it's definitely rideable, and there are very few bugs that I've found, so it's been well tested at least.

EDIT: What I will say is that I've been playing MotoGP 4 on PCSX2 a load recently, and I've just done the Assen round of career mode there, and that version seems much more 'lived in' shall we say, and with a texture boost of x8 in the PCSX settings it looks startlingly good, and not like a 13-14 ish year old ps2 game. Again I can't vouch for accuracy, but would it be possible to rip that version and import it over, just as a stop gap until its either remade or updated. As far as I can find the MGP 4 game is abandon ware as of now, (don't quote me on that tho, ans I'm not 100% sure), so it shouldn't be so much of an issue providing it can be done? Or even rip the older version from a milestone game, believe it was in VRTG the game?

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 11, 2018, 03:29:32 PM
I can't really say how accurate or inaccurate it is compared to the real world version, as I have never ridden it, and was only 8ish when it was changed. There are definitely worse tracks available and it is quite rideable with a decent flow, if it is in need of a texture/bump map/3d update. As for this update, I've only tried a handful of things with track modding and was catastrophically unsuccessful, so I can't say if it's worth updating or would be less work to start from scratch? I'll leave that decision to the people that know what they're doing lol. But it's definitely rideable, and there are very few bugs that I've found, so it's been well tested at least.

EDIT: What I will say is that I've been playing MotoGP 4 on PCSX2 a load recently, and I've just done the Assen round of career mode there, and that version seems much more 'lived in' shall we say, and with a texture boost of x8 in the PCSX settings it looks startlingly good, and not like a 13-14 ish year old ps2 game. Again I can't vouch for accuracy, but would it be possible to rip that version and import it over, just as a stop gap until its either remade or updated. As far as I can find the MGP 4 game is abandon ware as of now, (don't quote me on that tho, ans I'm not 100% sure), so it shouldn't be so much of an issue providing it can be done? Or even rip the older version from a milestone game, believe it was in VRTG the game?

Worth doing another mod version of the classic Assen TT Circuit? I guess it depends on whether Piboso decides to actually do the Assen track and also how long before he can complete it?  :)

I think this is the version Piboso is talking about with the pre 2006 layout...... Anyone notice the very young looking Pedrosa in the pits near the beginning? Lol  ;D
https://www.youtube.com/v/eMUiClqXeJs



Personally I'd rather Piboso do this version which I beleive is still the original layout which was slightly longer than even the pre 2006 version.
https://www.youtube.com/v/omk5sHY2xwI

But you can really see the track corner cambers on these old layouts..... Much more track camber than on the latest modern Assen track corners.  ;)

Aside from the externals, such as kerbing and advertising I personally can't notice much difference, except it looks like in the 2002 layout the 'Strubben' hairpin, as well as the back straight has had some adjustments and re profiling, namely the kinks being sharpened, and one being added towards the end of the Veenslang/Ruskenhoek section it looks like. I personally prefer the 2002 layout, as that style of Assen, such as the one in MotoGP 4 is where I started watching MotoGP so its what I remember. I do think the 500s need some love in GPB however, so the older version would make more sense to me to add in, and isn't really different enough to warrant 2 versions, unless one is modded in should Piboso decide to develop a version. It also seems like the kinks in the first part are tightened as well especially in this vid, although this being the '05 layout it sort of looks like its in between the old and new version, as its mid development I should imagine at this point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9IxPEZIWPY

I personally would love to see the REALLY old version (which is the first pic I've attached), before they shortened it into the pre 2006 version, for the Norton's which don't seem to get used enough IMO.

The second pic appears to be a map that shows how the track changed between 2002, which is vid you shared and 2006 which was the last version before it was shortened, and I find it quite interesting to see just how many changes there were in the time, as I never considered the re-modeling a transitional phase, I just assumed they did it all in one go, which would show that if Assen was introduced as an official track then Piboso would have to be quite picky with the year, as the 2002 variant differed from the 2005 variant quite a lot in the last couple of sectors, and the kerbing/runoffs are very different also.

Cambered turns are something else that needs fixing, currently the bike will tend towards a lowside as if the camber is being added to the the lean angle.  :(

Quote from: h106frp on December 11, 2018, 06:26:49 PM
Cambered turns are something else that needs fixing, currently the bike will tend towards a lowside as if the camber is being added to the the lean angle.  :(

TBF, shell oil hairpin at Oulton Park doesn't seem to bad for the low siding thing, it just seems very understeery compared to the real world, although that may be me not doing it right. The issue seems to arise when the camber ends, and the tracks go relatively flat, the front just washes along the floor, at that weird point between a wheelie and losing the front. Then it goes down. That's just my experience, I can't think of another track aside from Daytona that has banking that's noticeable in GPB?

Quote from: h106frp on December 11, 2018, 06:26:49 PM
Cambered turns are something else that needs fixing, currently the bike will tend towards a lowside as if the camber is being added to the the lean angle.  :(

Yes, it's as if the bike/tyre lean angle is being calculated from a set flat surface(zero to nn deg lean) at each cycle instead of first calculating the track surface angle first? I'm probably wrong but it's just a thought.  :)

@Myst1cPrun3: Yes indeed there were so many changes during those times but I agree too that I'd also like to see the original layout modelled by Piboso as the official track cause the original layout for the Assen TT circuit was probably the best road racing circuit in the world until they started to mess around with it..... Same happened to Silverstone too..... Bloody do-gooders and their supposed safety alterations.  >:(

Quote from: Hawk on December 11, 2018, 04:23:49 PM

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 11, 2018, 03:29:32 PM
I can't really say how accurate or inaccurate it is compared to the real world version, as I have never ridden it, and was only 8ish when it was changed. There are definitely worse tracks available and it is quite rideable with a decent flow, if it is in need of a texture/bump map/3d update. As for this update, I've only tried a handful of things with track modding and was catastrophically unsuccessful, so I can't say if it's worth updating or would be less work to start from scratch? I'll leave that decision to the people that know what they're doing lol. But it's definitely rideable, and there are very few bugs that I've found, so it's been well tested at least.

EDIT: What I will say is that I've been playing MotoGP 4 on PCSX2 a load recently, and I've just done the Assen round of career mode there, and that version seems much more 'lived in' shall we say, and with a texture boost of x8 in the PCSX settings it looks startlingly good, and not like a 13-14 ish year old ps2 game. Again I can't vouch for accuracy, but would it be possible to rip that version and import it over, just as a stop gap until its either remade or updated. As far as I can find the MGP 4 game is abandon ware as of now, (don't quote me on that tho, ans I'm not 100% sure), so it shouldn't be so much of an issue providing it can be done? Or even rip the older version from a milestone game, believe it was in VRTG the game?

Worth doing another mod version of the classic Assen TT Circuit? I guess it depends on whether Piboso decides to actually do the Assen track and also how long before he can complete it?  :)





Personally I'd rather Piboso do this version which I beleive is still the original layout which was slightly longer than even the pre 2006 version.
https://www.youtube.com/v/omk5sHY2xwI

But you can really see the track corner cambers on these old layouts..... Much more track camber than on the latest modern Assen track corners.  ;)

2001 was the last year that they piloted in this version, which for me is the best.

I believe MotoGP used the Older layout for the last time in 2005, which its obvious its in the middle of redevelopment as there are construction site looking objects around, and is quite dusty and unpainted



idk how to embed videos sorry XD

https://www.youtube.com/v/h9IxPEZIWPY

EDIT LOOK MA I DID IT

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 11, 2018, 08:00:39 PM
I believe MotoGP used the Older layout for the last time in 2005, which its obvious its in the middle of redevelopment as there are construction site looking objects around, and is quite dusty and unpainted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9IxPEZIWPY

idk how to embed videos sorry XD

Click the "Quote" link on a post with an embeded video in it and look at the code and it'll show you what you need to do mate.  ;)

Quote from: Hawk on December 11, 2018, 09:03:51 PM

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on December 11, 2018, 08:00:39 PM
I believe MotoGP used the Older layout for the last time in 2005, which its obvious its in the middle of redevelopment as there are construction site looking objects around, and is quite dusty and unpainted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9IxPEZIWPY

idk how to embed videos sorry XD

Click the "Quote" link on a post with an embeded video in it and look at the code and it'll show you what you need to do mate.  ;)

Can't believe I didn't think of that.
Excuse me I need to buy a new brain...

Quote from: Arvoss on January 03, 2014, 10:09:24 PM
How to upload a youtube video:
1. Get the link of the video (ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buUQZCGYRFQ)
2. Remove the 'watch?v=' and add v/ => new link looks like that:  http://www.youtube.com/v/buUQZCGYRFQ
3. Insert a flash object by clicking the red flash icon.
4. Insert your link in the flash object.
5. Edit the width and height (560,315)
6. Now your video is successfully embeded! :D
http://www.youtube.com/v/buUQZCGYRFQ

Oooooo it uses flash, I would have assumed it would have used a HTML or hyperlinks. That explains a lot cheers guys 👍

NortWest 200 or Paul Ricard.

My 2c: it has to be a modern track, something MotoGP or WSBK race on frequently.

Local / club / obscure tracks = big no no (no matter how nice they are).
Oldies = big no no. People tend to live in the present. There are exceptions but well, they are exceptions.

Brno, Mugello and even Portimao look reasonable to me.

Quote from: HornetMaX on December 20, 2018, 09:15:10 AM
My 2c: it has to be a modern track, something MotoGP or WSBK race on frequently.

Local / club / obscure tracks = big no no (no matter how nice they are).
Oldies = big no no. People tend to live in the present. There are exceptions but well, they are exceptions.

Brno, Mugello and even Portimao look reasonable to me.

+1    I would agree with that summary.

Here's an opportunity? :

The Finnish GP at KymiRing is set to join the FIM MotoGP™ World Championship calendar from 2020

Edit year lol so loads of time to make it and be at the cutting edge of the sport.

Shame we cannot grab this model of it  ;)
https://www.youtube.com/v/zkYhMpRWt2Y

Yes that's a nice video!

So I see a driver training area - aka a track for KRP/mopeds. An off road area and the main track for WRS, and the main track for GPB.

So 1 model that could be implemented in all three Piboso masterpieces.

Value for money
Value for effort
Cutting edge motogp circuit.
Benefits all games.

Boom.

Now that would be amazing!

They (the owners) may also be interested in a Non-Moto GP Offical version of the track.

+1

Why did you removed the 1st track of gpbikes, the shorter, can't remember the name sorry, it was really nice to have quick fun and easy learning on it.

That was Lime Rock and yes a good track for a quick blast and fun.

DD

Quote from: totorox on January 10, 2019, 07:27:57 PM
Why did you removed the 1st track of gpbikes, the shorter, can't remember the name sorry, it was really nice to have quick fun and easy learning on it.

They also removed very nice Lagunca Seca. That was 10 years ago :P There was also a Yamaha M1 to choose and also has gone in next betas.

Cadwell Park post 2004 (With chincane)

I think as the track should be a major MotoGP track not a tight twisty track that newcomers will have a problem with, hell even I do with Cadwell lol. But jokes aside it should be a track well know world wide and not a track to hard to learn as it would put people off. You must remember it is hard enough for many to learn to ride and then add a hard track it could be a ales killer.

JMO

DD

The old Assen would be ideal.

I do not understand why people vote for Mugello when there is already a very good version made by the French

Mugello is far more interesting to ride on. I find Assen very boring sorry. And Italy is warmer lol

DD

Old Assen boring? LOL

Quote from: Davide74 on February 05, 2019, 07:15:10 PM
The old Assen would be ideal.

I do not understand why people vote for Mugello when there is already a very good version made by the French

+1 Davide..... I can only think they've never even seen it yet in GPB?  ;)

Quote from: doubledragoncc on February 05, 2019, 07:42:49 PM
Mugello is far more interesting to ride on. I find Assen very boring sorry. And Italy is warmer lol

DD

New Assen I'd agree with you DD..... Like most circuits that have been bastardised by the do-gooder brigade, very boring,  but Old Assen boring DD?  :o

Have you been on a pub crawl drinking warm beer tonight or what? Lol!  ;D ;D ;)

Not had a beer in a week, bloody anti biotics lol.

I just prefer the Mug m8 lol.

DD

Quote from: doubledragoncc on February 05, 2019, 08:23:55 PM
Not had a beer in a week, bloody anti biotics lol.

I just prefer the Mug m8 lol.

DD

Bloody Doctors eh DD.... "Don't drink, stop smoking".... They spoil all the fun don't they. Lol!  ;D

Quote from: Hawk on February 05, 2019, 08:19:03 PM

Quote from: Davide74 on February 05, 2019, 07:15:10 PM
The old Assen would be ideal.

I do not understand why people vote for Mugello when there is already a very good version made by the French

+1 Davide..... I can only think they've never even seen it yet in GPB?  ;)

Quote from: doubledragoncc on February 05, 2019, 07:42:49 PM
Mugello is far more interesting to ride on. I find Assen very boring sorry. And Italy is warmer lol

DD

New Assen I'd agree with you DD..... Like most circuits that have been bastardised by the do-gooder brigade, very boring,  but Old Assen boring DD?  :o

Have you been on a pub crawl drinking warm beer tonight or what? Lol!  ;D ;D ;)

Can be.

Quote from: doubledragoncc on February 05, 2019, 08:23:55 PM
Not had a beer in a week, bloody anti biotics lol.

I just prefer the Mug m8 lol.

DD

hahahaha ;D

Thank you to everyone who voted and commented.

In the end, it was decided to create the old Assen and then to try to bring back the old US track.

There already are good Mugello and Jerez version that it would be difficult to improve upon. Also it would probably be disrespectful to ignore what the community already did.

Quote from: PiBoSo on February 11, 2019, 04:45:03 PM

Thank you to everyone who voted and commented.

In the end, it was decided to create the old Assen and then to try to bring back the old US track.

There already are good Mugello and Jerez version that it would be difficult to improve upon. Also it would probably be disrespectful to ignore what the community already did.

Very good choice!

We are keeping Victoria (Phillip Island) aren't we? Its not going to get the 990/500 treatment :P

Quote from: matty0l215 on February 11, 2019, 04:53:42 PM

Quote from: PiBoSo on February 11, 2019, 04:45:03 PM

Thank you to everyone who voted and commented.

In the end, it was decided to create the old Assen and then to try to bring back the old US track.

There already are good Mugello and Jerez version that it would be difficult to improve upon. Also it would probably be disrespectful to ignore what the community already did.

We are keeping Victoria (Phillip Island) aren't we?

Sure.

thanks piboso, great news.

Great news!

Yep, great news Pib.... Looking forward to this! ;D 8)

Any rough idea on how long before we see a beta version? Or even an initial alpha version would be great too!  ;D

https://youtu.be/Q4bfq-3t99Q?t=2375

Sorry but so bored of Victoria and it will not attract people to buy a licence if they have watched development and seen you have no other option, many people are to shy and respectful to say so, but the reality is you need to do something new.

You have so much talent but you hold your protential back

There are some of the best modders here, the most willing and passionate riders you could ever meet, there are people that live for GB Bikes because it gives them a feeling they are riding.

Basically if all you offer over years is one track, those watching will think thats all you can do. I think you need to show you can do more than that.

If I remeber right at one time you had Monteray and Lme rock > I think it was beta 7 THAT made me buy a licence and Im a fusssy guy!!!

2 tracks will give move sales...........one gets boring........demo needs both tracks before they pay to get mods


Just a few ideas..................Without PIBOSO I would have never started back on an idea for a bike controller for PC bike games, so GPBikes is personal to me, Just trying to say its the ONLY sim but needs the original content amount.

Thank you for your inceadable talent. you persistence and determination, you are a person l have the upmost respect for.............You GIVE people a chance to do something they cant normaly get  Sorry to kinda get off track but thing is you need a fresh look to GPB and the track/S is important.

DD

Smart choice. Also, i love the old assen. If you bring back the Cagiva, it will be a killer combo

There is nothing more to say DD.....

I hope the US track is LS, Limerock was sweet but the corkscrew is a challenge anyone into bikes wants to beat.

Thabks for the good choice Pib....

DD

Quote from: doubledragoncc on February 11, 2019, 11:24:14 PM
I hope the US track is LS, Limerock was sweet but the corkscrew is a challenge anyone into bikes wants to beat.

Thabks for the good choice Pib....

DD

I'm not one to be pushy, buuut why not both? Laguna is in most racing games ,and even ride 3 has picked it up this year, but lime rock is only in a few titles, and is quite a fun track too. Based of pbs comments about it being a mainly go title I doubt lime rock would make it but the more the merrier imo, providing they're up to quality that is 😀

So what was the point of the poll ? lol  ???

Quote from: poumpouny on February 13, 2019, 07:14:40 AM
So what was the point of the poll ? lol  ???

It may seem that way, but I would say..... If you read through all the posts, then there is quite a lot of useful information to be gleaned from it for a developer given the choices in the poll.  ;)

Quote from: poumpouny on February 13, 2019, 07:14:40 AM
So what was the point of the poll ? lol  ???

To my knowledge We're getting a new old Assen, (cos that's not confusing at all)
And some tracks that were taken out of the game will hopefully be reintroduced and updated

Make a track that is not in other games. its that simple. raceroom does that and its awesome. i wanted road track like ulster but no it has to be closed track because game engine cant handle it. i think.  old assen is good tho. hate new modern tracks

Quote from: -aGy- on February 13, 2019, 12:02:30 PM
Make a track that is not in other games. its that simple. raceroom does that and its awesome. i wanted road track like ulster but no it has to be closed track because game engine cant handle it. i think.  old assen is good tho. hate new modern tracks

New tracks seem to lack character, older tracks tend to be more fun, however with it being based on relatively modern gp racing options are limited for official content I should Imagine, but I would like to see tracks that aren't in other games too, which is where the modders come in Into it for me, and why I'm not a big fan of GP tracks being modded, rather play something like croft or castle Combe.

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on February 13, 2019, 01:00:37 PM

Quote from: -aGy- on February 13, 2019, 12:02:30 PM
Make a track that is not in other games. its that simple. raceroom does that and its awesome. i wanted road track like ulster but no it has to be closed track because game engine cant handle it. i think.  old assen is good tho. hate new modern tracks

New tracks seem to lack character, older tracks tend to be more fun, however with it being based on relatively modern gp racing options are limited for official content I should Imagine, but I would like to see tracks that aren't in other games too, which is where the modders come in Into it for me, and why I'm not a big fan of GP tracks being modded, rather play something like croft or castle Combe.

+1 Myst1cPrun3!  ;)

We have both Croft and Castle Combe on the database Mystic

DD

Quote from: doubledragoncc on February 13, 2019, 03:39:13 PM
We have both Croft and Castle Combe on the database Mystic

DD

Yep, I know, and I play them much more than stuff like mugello and Cota, and other gp circuits, which is what I was trying to say lol.

Mugello FTW :D

Mugello of course

Quote from: PiBoSo on February 11, 2019, 04:45:03 PMThank you to everyone who voted and commented.

In the end, it was decided to create the old Assen and then to try to bring back the old US track.

There already are good Mugello and Jerez version that it would be difficult to improve upon. Also it would probably be disrespectful to ignore what the community already did.

Any news snippets you can give us on how things are going in the development of the Old Assen track Piboso?

Piboso exist?

Quote from: Hawk on May 22, 2019, 05:39:46 PMAny news snippets you can give us on how things are going in the development of the Old Assen track Piboso?

Quote from: Davide74 on May 24, 2019, 07:49:09 PMPiboso exist?

Probably cause of the work involved it would be like Piboso taking on a 5th project and he's realising that he just hasn't got the time spare to do that right now? :-X

Quote from: Hawk on May 22, 2019, 05:39:46 PMAny news snippets you can give us on how things are going in the development of the Old Assen track Piboso?

There you go.

Quote from: PiBoSo on June 03, 2019, 09:55:07 AM

Quote from: Hawk on May 22, 2019, 05:39:46 PMAny news snippets you can give us on how things are going in the development of the Old Assen track Piboso?

There you go.

Whoop Whoop.
Any news on a release date?

Quote from: PiBoSo on June 03, 2019, 09:55:07 AM

Quote from: Hawk on May 22, 2019, 05:39:46 PMAny news snippets you can give us on how things are going in the development of the Old Assen track Piboso?

There you go.

Looking good Piboso! Thanks for that mate!  ;D  8)

Any rough idea when it'll be released.... An initial beta version would be good.  ;)

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on June 03, 2019, 09:58:25 AMAny news on a release date?

Unfortunately the release date cannot be estimated at the moment.

I hope you keep Phillips Island once Assen is released, more original content looks beeter on steam

DD

So, just to confirm part of your clients is made of old schmucks with a bit of motorcycle culture, I'd like old Suzuka and its variants as well as Charade :P But to be honest, as a license holder, do I really care about official circuits ? I enjoy older tracks and bikes a lot, and they can't be found elsewhere, that's the second strength of the game after the physics engine.

What I care about is having more players and populated servers (are there official ones ?). I think what we need is attractive circuits where newbies can be reasonably competitive and have fun on (same goes for bikes), and Brno would probably be good at that, as Victoria is.

Also, a basic controller layout for twin stick types would greatly help, as most people don't have other hardware to play with. I'm quite satisfied with mine, but I think most newcomers would get lost trying to find it.

For information, turning and forward/backward position on left stick, clutch on left trigger, downshift on L3, leaning L/R on LB/RB (but to be honest, I don't use that as much as I should), throttle with Down of right stick, rear brake with Right of right stick, upshift with R3, pushing the bike with X/A, reset with B, changing view with Y, looking around with the Up/Down/Left/Right hat.

Quote from: Takuan_Soho on June 05, 2019, 10:28:50 AMSo, just to confirm part of your clients is made of old schmucks with a bit of motorcycle culture, I'd like old Suzuka and its variants as well as Charade :P But to be honest, as a license holder, do I really care about official circuits ? I enjoy older tracks and bikes a lot, and they can't be found elsewhere, that's the second strength of the game after the physics engine.

What I care about is having more players and populated servers (are there official ones ?). I think what we need is attractive circuits where newbies can be reasonably competitive and have fun on (same goes for bikes), and Brno would probably be good at that, as Victoria is.

Also, a basic controller layout for twin stick types would greatly help, as most people don't have other hardware to play with. I'm quite satisfied with mine, but I think most newcomers would get lost trying to find it.

For information, turning and forward/backward position on left stick, clutch on left trigger, downshift on L3, leaning L/R on LB/RB (but to be honest, I don't use that as much as I should), throttle with Down of right stick, rear brake with Right of right stick, upshift with R3, pushing the bike with X/A, reset with B, changing view with Y, looking around with the Up/Down/Left/Right hat.

So what is it your actually saying and want, Takuan_Soho? Realistic Classic/modern, or arcade milestone type bikes with power-ups and gamey features like unlocking suits, helmets, boosts, etc, etc?

But starting your post off with calling the more knowledgeable people in the community here who have contributed probably more than any other people on this site, "Old Smucks", is not a good way to try and convince others to agree with or help you push for what you want. ::)
 

Quote from: doubledragoncc on June 05, 2019, 10:09:22 AMI hope you keep Phillips Island once Assen is released, more original content looks better on steam

DD

+1 DD Totally agree mate!  ;)  8)

Thanks Hawky...........might be an old schmuck but at least I show respect young pipsqueak........just bustin balls lol

The more original content Piboso can offer with a license is seen as a plus for new customers as well as being able to have mods. Its about making a larger community too as more buy a license.

DD

Quote from: doubledragoncc on June 05, 2019, 10:09:22 AMI hope you keep Phillips Island once Assen is released, more original content looks beeter on steam

DD

Of course.

Quote from: Takuan_Soho on June 05, 2019, 10:28:50 AMSo, just to confirm part of your clients is made of old schmucks with a bit of motorcycle culture, I'd like old Suzuka and its variants as well as Charade.

I agree the old circuits are better, and the majority are older than me.
Does that make me an old Schmuck or a wannabe schmuck?

Thanks Piboso

DD

Great to see that Assen was chosen. I was just there last weekend too. I see Spa got many votes but glad it wasn't selected as a back-up to Mugello. It's too long of a track that also has not been in the calendar. Donington Park is a far better fit plus shorter without many intricacies to be modeled.

There was a version of Laguna Seca built from scratch which was abandoned for Assetto Corsa, using data. I wouldn't doubt the author would accept parting ways with his circuit if it could come to life at some point in GP Bikes's (and WRS) life.

Actually Assen was not chosen Mugello was if you look at the figures Assen was lower than most and the Mug got nearly 3 times the votes.

Guess our word aint so important

DD

Quote from: doubledragoncc on July 12, 2019, 05:59:17 AMActually Assen was not chosen Mugello was if you look at the figures Assen was lower than most and the Mug got nearly 3 times the votes.

Guess our word aint so important

DD

When the vote timing ended, Assen was in the lead, and thus has been picked.

Since then people have voted for Mugello, and pib has already said he wouldn't do that due to the fact there are already good versions of Mugello out there.

AH ok thanks MPR my bad lol

@Myst1cPrun : Wrong ! Mugello was all the time the lead, but Piboso decide despite the vote to make Assen. If you read earlier page I asked Piboso what is the point of the poll if in the end he ignore it ........

Because as he stated we already have a very good modded version of Mugello

However we do not have a good version of Assen current or part layouts.

It was an opinion poll not a vote on which track "would be" made

Matty : I just wanted to point out some misunderstanding. What you says was already debated enough in this thread and we all know Piboso do whatever he want despite of what and how pertinent argument we will say !

Quote from: poumpouny on July 15, 2019, 01:51:55 PM@Myst1cPrun : Wrong ! Mugello was all the time the lead, but Piboso decide despite the vote to make Assen. If you read earlier page I asked Piboso what is the point of the poll if in the end he ignore it ........

Nope, when the votes were counted, Assen was ahead (Although not by much).

Quote from: PiBoSo on February 11, 2019, 04:45:03 PMThank you to everyone who voted and commented.

In the end, it was decided to create the old Assen and then to try to bring back the old US track.

There already are good Mugello and Jerez version that it would be difficult to improve upon. Also it would probably be disrespectful to ignore what the community already did.

As for why Mugello was not created, that would suffice.

Quote from: poumpouny on July 16, 2019, 05:43:25 AMMatty : I just wanted to point out some misunderstanding. What you says was already debated enough in this thread and we all know Piboso do whatever he want despite of what and how pertinent argument we will say !

This was an OPINION poll, not a development poll... This means it will INFLUENCE the next development based off the result, not DETERMINE it, and at the end of the day, its Pibosos product and he can do whatever the f**k he likes with it. He could turn the lights into chickens and we couldn't influence a single thing, as its his product and he makes the final decisions on what goes into it. GET OVER IT.

And even if Mugello did win, Pibosos comments about the modded versions of the track being very good make it redundant, and kind of obvious that he'll pick the most voted track that hasn't been modded well before. Hence Assen.
Incidentally I actually despise Mugello LOL. Its just such a dull track, as wide as a bloody boat, and very little in the way of defining features except for the huge front straight.

Old Assen, now that's a good track, although I prefer the new version, again oddly. Although that's in the database and is a very good version.

Thinking about it I'd have liked to have seen somewhere like the Sachsenring, but the time has passed.

Why the hell would Piboso need to give an explanation to why he will not make Mugello if Assen win the poll  ;D .
And as i remember (but as i already said i will no longer dabate on it) it wasn't intend to make a track who will please to people who already own and play GPbikes (and who know there is a ripped Assetto Corsa laserscan of Mugello, with deadly kerbs  ;D ) But to attract new customer with an "official" Moto GP Track which will come with the official installer .... and honestly and and objectively if that was the aim, i don't think Old Assen will correspond to that  :o . But at the end as you said it so good "He decide what the f**k he want with he's product but As a customer who pay 29 bucks, who didn't ask for nothing but who saw :

QuoteSoon, hopefully, work will start on a new official track.

Which one would you prefer?
Please vote ( you can choose two! ) and please write your opinion, too.

Then voted/give the opinion and at the end being ignored, i think at least I have the right to be a little pissed offf ..............

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 10:14:12 PMTo be honest, I strongly dislike the post-2005 Assen.
In my opinion they destroyed what made the circuit special, to shorten and "normalize" the layout. All purely for monetary reasons  >:(

He said he hates the new assen on page one of so Id guess he would be only more than willing to use the older assen.

As for the mugello explanation, again that was before the voting finished.

Quote from: poumpouny on July 16, 2019, 07:13:02 AMThen voted/give the opinion and at the end being ignored, i think at least I have the right to be a little pissed offf ..............

He hasn't really ignored anything, as he's answered most if not all issues as to why he made that decision. As for being pissed off, there are now 2 high quality versions of mugello, why would you want a third? What's to be gained from that aside from dividing the community more, over which version should be run or is better?

QuoteHe hasn't really ignored anything, as he's answered most if not all issues as to why he made that decision. As for being pissed off, there are now 2 high quality versions of mugello, why would you want a third? What's to be gained from that aside from dividing the community more, over which version should be run or is better?

Because i voted Mugello not for me, but for the future of GP Bikes.

If i remember well (i might be wrong) Old Assen was added to the poll choice, way later after the poll start. And Mugello was there since the start  :o .

This thread remind me my wife when she ask my opinion about something but since the start she already know what she will do  ;D

Quote from: poumpouny on July 16, 2019, 07:29:22 AMBecause i voted Mugello not for me, but for the future of GP Bikes.
 

I can't speak for everything, but I know old assen has been a top request for milestone to include in their classic content.

Quote from: poumpouny on July 16, 2019, 07:29:22 AMThis thread remind me my wife when she ask my opinion about something but since the start she already know what she will do  ;D
 

I'm not even going near that, only to sya piboso possibly was looking for ideas and 'permission' to do something, and possibly to test the communities response to it

Either way, we're getting a new High quality, official track in GPB, and that can only be a good thing.

Quote from: PiBoSo on December 03, 2018, 10:14:12 PMTo be honest, I strongly dislike the post-2005 Assen.
In my opinion they destroyed what made the circuit special, to shorten and "normalize" the layout. All purely for monetary reasons  >:(

How did I miss this....... Totally agree with you Piboso! You must be one of the older generation of GP500 bike fans?  ;D

What they did to the old Assen TT circuit was an absolute travesty...... It WAS the best GP bike circuit in the world until they bastardized it into what now typically represents the current state of MotoGP: A fake performancing, bastardized, non-entity sporting event. The big corporations have really done an excellent job selling their money spinning ideal version of the sport and destroying the very soul of a sport in the process without much of a whisper from the fans..... Well done Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, you finally got what you wanted, particularly Honda is to blame most for all this ruination of a sport, but Dorna let them have their way.... Wonder how much money was involved and passed around to let this happen, many years ago now?? >:(  ???  :P

Tu nous fatigues avec les 500cc 2 temps Hawk , vis avec ton temps s'il te plaît

Assen was changed primarily for safety reasons, and to keep up to modern standards.

Its important to note the changes were made PRIMARILY for car racing, and motogp/wsbk was not the priority.

To high entry speeds into corners with not enough run off.

As for the motogp issue, come on really, that's a ridiculous statement.

Enjoy it for what it is, and that's an exciting watch, with close races and contact. More like touring car racing, and is more exciting than BSB this year to me.
But that's not this topic that's the other one so yeah sos for that :/

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on July 16, 2019, 11:06:57 AMAssen was changed primarily for safety reasons, and to keep up to modern standards.

Its important to note the changes were made PRIMARILY for car racing, and motogp/wsbk was not the priority.

To high entry speeds into corners with not enough run off.

As for the motogp issue, come on really, that's a ridiculous statement.

Enjoy it for what it is, and that's an exciting watch, with close races and contact. More like touring car racing, and is more exciting than BSB this year to me.
But that's not this topic that's the other one so yeah sos for that :/

There was enough land to upgrade the run-off areas with the old Assen circuit.... There was no need to bastardize the classic layout of the track itself like they did. Bloody do gooders and selling off land for greed wins out yet again in ruining the all-time classic track layouts.... They don't give a toss mate.... Seems to be the fashion nowadays.

As for modern MotoGP, it's true that it is nothing like a true sport anymore.... Fake bikes, fake performance, that's not sport, need I say more. Lol!
It's nearly as bad as F1 used to be many years ago until they started to see the light and banned computer controlled cars.... At least in F1 now they have it so the drivers skill drives the car without any computer controlled interference. ;D  :P 

Quote from: Hawk on July 16, 2019, 07:48:50 PMThere was enough land to upgrade the run-off areas with the old Assen circuit....

Maybe, but it was also to upgrade facilities, they now have a kart track, amusement park, new entrance to ease congestion, and I think it said over 1000 new parking spaces. The upgrade was to bring lap times down, and give the crowd more action, as smaller tracks, = more laps = more times past crowd.

Quote from: Hawk on July 16, 2019, 07:48:50 PMBloody do gooders and selling off land for greed wins out yet again in ruining the all-time classic track layouts....

Land was not sold just reused, in the actual Assen course. In-fact most of the old tarmac still exists if I'm not mistaken, so you can walk around it I think.

Quote from: Hawk on July 16, 2019, 07:48:50 PMIt's nearly as bad as F1 used to be many years ago until they started to see the light and banned computer controlled cars.... At least in F1 now they have it so the drivers skill drives the car without any computer controlled interference. ;D  :P 

I'm not sure if youve watched F1 recently, but the cars can't run within at least one second of one another due to the 'dirty air' effect. (Cars produce so much downforce, that he car behind gets a slipstream around a corner basically, and has significantly reduced downforce so the gaps are larger) And in terms of sport being fake *cough* DRS *Cough*


As for the lack of computer controlled interference, again, IDK if you've seen F1 recently but the entire bloody thing is a computer, and the hardest part of operating one is remembering where the switches are, and not the actual driving.

And the driving, well.... Drivers have stated that the modern 2017-19 cars are easier to drive than the 2004-2006 cars, which had all the aids, such as TC, STM and LC.

I'd rather have electronically close racing, where the top 10 are covered by less than 5 seconds, and constantly swapping places, than a pre-cession but without electronics. All about the spectacle, and close racing will always win over no electronics, as it should, as 62 degrees of lean smoking the rear tyre is a spectacle. Sure to you it may be fake but that doesn't make it any less cool. To me a modern Computer nerd that kinda makes it more cool knowing just what technology is capable of.

As for there being enough room there is a road that runs around where the old circuit was, so they really would have struggled to extend it further. 5-10 metres at the most.

Sorry mate, but if you look at the maps of the old circuit and the new layout, including the extra facilities they've built into the new circuit, you can clearly see that they had plenty of land to do the work they wanted to do without bastardizing the old classic layout.... It was sacrilege what they did to that brilliant GP track.

As far as reducing speeds on circuits..... What the hell?? This is motor racing, it's supposed to be fast..... It's just the namby-pamby snowflake younger generation interfering where it's not needed..... Often talked about health & safety gone mad, well these sort of actions are typical of the reason people say that. ::)
And what about the TT races? Why aren't you all screaming we ban those if people are so concerned about speed and rider/circuit safety??

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for reasonable safety precautions when and were it's possible, but in places where it's not possible then it is what it is and riders would accept that and ride accordingly.... I'm damn sure real racers wouldn't want classic circuits bastardized just because certain sections are considered fast and dangerous but cannot be made any safer than they currently are.  ;)  :)

As for F1, at least it's the driver now that is doing the deciding of what he wants and not a computer doing it in real-time...... There is no TC, anti-lock brakes, aided start procedures or suspension adjustments done by computers anymore in F1 like there used to be... It is very much a driver machine result now and not achieved through computer aids...... Big difference to what MotoGP currently is doing to aid the riders and their machines with electronics.

If it was just one thing I'd like to see taken out of the modern MotoGP bikes it would be to end TC altogether, just so that it was the rider who was in total control of the application of the bikes power and not the computer.... That would go a very long way to bringing back a major rider skill into the sport.

Quote from: Hawk on July 17, 2019, 08:08:07 AMSorry mate, but if you look at the maps of the old circuit and the new layout, including the extra facilities they've built into the new circuit, you can clearly see that they had plenty of land to do the work they wanted to do without bastardizing the old classic layout.... It was sacrilege what they did to that brilliant GP track.

I'm going to assume you're missing th public road around the perimeter of the track, about 20m from the old racing surface, which isn't owned by the circuit, and could not be moved...
The new entrance is where the old turn one used to be, and the new faclities are where the infield used to be. So there was no additional area used, as they didn't have any.

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Quote from: Hawk on July 17, 2019, 08:08:07 AMAs far as reducing speeds on circuits..... What the hell?? This is motor racing, it's supposed to be fast..... It's just the namby-pamby snowflake younger generation interfering where it's not needed..... Often talked about health & safety gone mad, well these sort of actions are typical of the reason people say that. ::)
And what about the TT races? Why aren't you all screaming we ban those if people are so concerned about speed and rider/circuit safety??

Never said reduce speed. Just said the vehicles were going to fast into a turn with that amount of run off. Even 250s ended up in the wall/ditch at t1 on old layout.
Either increase run off or reduce speed. Sadly, they could only do the second.

As for the namby pamby snowflake generation, it's entirely subjective. I am 20 years old, so I guess I am part of this snowflake generation, (sadly), and I love the danger of it, for better or worse I guess. Doesn't mean I want people to die/get injured however.
People being injured on a circuit that seems old fashioned is a surefire way to lose business and public favour. Look at what happened at Aintree... Someone got injured it went public and they lost their circuit license.

Could easily happen at other places.

Quote from: Hawk on July 17, 2019, 08:08:07 AMAs for F1, at least it's the driver now that is doing the deciding of what he wants and not a computer doing it in real-time...... There is no TC, anti-lock brakes, aided start procedures or suspension adjustments done by computers anymore in F1 like there used to be... It is very much a driver machine result now and not achieved through computer aids...... Big difference to what MotoGP currently is doing to aid the riders and their machines with electronics.

I would rather it have electronics and be exciting than none and boring like it is currently.
It is fortunate however that electronics aren't going to fix f1s issues, unless you bring in active suspension to accommodate the reduced downforce.

But rh engineers on the pit wall decide anything from rev limits to engine power available. The entire car is a computer. While there are no standard 'aids', the systems can easily be used to emulate them. They have electronically adjustable diffs fgs.

Quote from: Hawk on July 17, 2019, 08:08:07 AMIf it was just one thing I'd like to see taken out of the modern MotoGP bikes it would be to end TC altogether, just so that it was the rider who was in total control of the application of the bikes power and not the computer.... That would go a very long way to bringing back a major rider skill into the sport.

You realise that even in BSB where there is no TC the rider still doesn't control the power don't you? Engineers actively control the systems power in each gear.
Motogp would do something similar, meaning that again, you're 'desired' sill would still not be there.

As for Gp rider skills, theyre still there, but there are others as well, that get more press.
Riders have to be able to interpret the squiggly data graphs and decide what to do, etc. Much more computer brains in it now than in the past, and that's the way it should be. Cyberpunk is coming, can't wait to lose all my limbs and get fake ones... ;)

Id rather see an old course changed than demolished. RIP my beautiful hockenheim 😢

I give up on you young ones..... Sometimes I think your a lost cause with no appreciation for what's right and wrong in sport these days???
I mean where has the honor gone from a lot of sports, where has the true sporting spirit gone?

It seems to me that the younger-gen are only interested in winning at any cost and be-damned with any sense of what true sport is all about.

It's the same attitude with your computer gaming with a lot of youngsters these days.... So long as they win whether it's by hack or crook that's perfectly okay with them.... I just don't understand cause you surely can't get any sort of fulfillment or pride from the direction many sports have gone these days?

Modern attitudes..... Phfff!!! PURE MADNESS!!! :o  :o  :o :P

Quote from: Hawk on July 18, 2019, 02:08:30 AMI give up on you young ones..... Sometimes I think your a lost cause with no appreciation for what's right and wrong in sport these days???
I mean where has the honor gone from a lot of sports, where has the true sporting spirit gone?

I'm not sure using a motorbike with Traction Control is the same as having no honor, I mean, you don't see the Japanese riders committing seppuku at the end of a race do you...

As for true sporting spirit, the definition of that is:

"If you are ready to compete in a fair manner without favouring yourself or others unjustly and never giving up when things are hard accepting defeat and victory without arrogance or bitterness, that is a sporting spirit"

I don't know, but to me that seems still highly relevant to current sports and motogp, everyone shakes hands at the end, and for the most part it's a fair race. Rossi atm is the epitome of never giving up, and Marquez remains quite humble, considering he's winning everything that exists..

Quote from: Hawk on July 18, 2019, 02:08:30 AMIt seems to me that the younger-gen are only interested in winning at any cost and be-damned with any sense of what true sport is all about.

Sport is about winning. If we don't want to win, what's the point at competing?

There isn't one.

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm just going to jog the 100m Olympic finals as winning just isn't honoured. Can you hear what you're saying its ridiculous.
Its a RACE, the goal of a Race is to finish first, fairly of course, which again for the most part, motogp does.

Quote from: Hawk on July 18, 2019, 02:08:30 AMIt's the same attitude with your computer gaming with a lot of youngsters these days.... So long as they win whether it's by hack or crook that's perfectly okay with them.... I just don't understand cause you surely can't get any sort of fulfillment or pride from the direction many sports have gone these days?

I can speak from experience when it comes to hacking, as I did hack Csgo and I did get banned from it, and as a result I know some games are very, very trying of one's patience.
However it's not the right thing to do and I really don't encourage anyone to do it.

I will say, you do get a DIFFERENT enjoyment out of it, owning people, and seeing them get mad, after you've just gone through all those feelings. It's a bit of a satisfying thing oddly, and for me, wasn't to do with winning the game but just releasing my frustration onto someone else, which is a complete low blow yes I know.

Quote from: Hawk on July 18, 2019, 02:08:30 AMModern attitudes..... Phfff!!! PURE MADNESS!!! :o  :o  :o :P

The problem is the Old 'we have to go back as it was better then' attitudes, unable to accept change, and keeping us stuck 10 years back at least. This isn't 1987, things have changed, accept that move on, and in the immortal words of Disney,

LET IT GO.

That happened, instead of being sad its not around anymore, be happy you got to experience it at the time .
Because I didn't, and I wish I could have.

Guys , if you want to discuss about this create a topic please , here it's not the question

Barber Motorsports! 

...because going there on the 9th of September for my 3rd ever bike track day.

would go for Pannoniaring

 I want Kyalami.

Guys.... the track to develop has already been decided - it's Classic Assen TT Circuit, so no point in people keep posting the tracks that they'd want here in this thread.

Quote from: Hawk on August 30, 2019, 06:42:28 PMGuys.... the track to develop has already been decided - it's Classic Assen TT Circuit, so no point in people keep posting the tracks that they'd want here in this thread.

Unless moddders want to take up the challenge. ;)
But a new thread should be made for that

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on August 30, 2019, 09:03:25 PM

Quote from: Hawk on August 30, 2019, 06:42:28 PMGuys.... the track to develop has already been decided - it's Classic Assen TT Circuit, so no point in people keep posting the tracks that they'd want here in this thread.

Unless moddders want to take up the challenge. ;)
But a new thread should be made for that

Exactly mate.  ;)  :)

can anybody give estimate time when track is released?this year or next? maybe this christmas?or before bse simulator are released?i hope that making and finishin this track (assen) its not slow as game development

Quote from: -aGy- on August 31, 2019, 06:58:10 AMcan anybody give estimate time when track is released?this year or next? maybe this christmas?or before bse simulator are released?i hope that making and finishin this track (assen) its not slow as game development

Building a track from scratch takes a lot of time, research and work if it's done well, especially if only one person is working on it...... Unlike ripping tracks from other games that you can get into game with a full day or twos work. ;)

Quote from: Hawk on August 31, 2019, 11:52:26 AM

Quote from: -aGy- on August 31, 2019, 06:58:10 AMcan anybody give estimate time when track is released?this year or next? maybe this christmas?or before bse simulator are released?i hope that making and finishin this track (assen) its not slow as game development

Building a track from scratch takes a lot of time, research and work if it's done well, especially if only one person is working on it...... Unlike ripping tracks from other games that you can get into game with a full day or twos work. ;)

There was a screenshot posted a bit back showing that he does indeed have it in the game and looking quite good. As for a final time for release I can't say

Quote from: Hawk on August 30, 2019, 06:42:28 PMGuys.... the track to develop has already been decided - it's Classic Assen TT Circuit, so no point in people keep posting the tracks that they'd want here in this thread.

Wait why is it Classic Assen? Mugello won by miles?

Quote from: Kaidicko on September 26, 2019, 01:45:24 PM

Quote from: Hawk on August 30, 2019, 06:42:28 PMGuys.... the track to develop has already been decided - it's Classic Assen TT Circuit, so no point in people keep posting the tracks that they'd want here in this thread.

Wait why is it Classic Assen? Mugello won by miles?

Quote from: PiBoSo on February 11, 2019, 04:45:03 PMThank you to everyone who voted and commented.

In the end, it was decided to create the old Assen and then to try to bring back the old US track.

There already are good Mugello and Jerez version that it would be difficult to improve upon. Also it would probably be disrespectful to ignore what the community already did.

I also think that when the vote was counted classic assen was winning. Was a while ago however so I can't remember.

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on September 26, 2019, 02:56:58 PM

Quote from: Kaidicko on September 26, 2019, 01:45:24 PM

Quote from: Hawk on August 30, 2019, 06:42:28 PMGuys.... the track to develop has already been decided - it's Classic Assen TT Circuit, so no point in people keep posting the tracks that they'd want here in this thread.

Wait why is it Classic Assen? Mugello won by miles?

Quote from: PiBoSo on February 11, 2019, 04:45:03 PMThank you to everyone who voted and commented.

In the end, it was decided to create the old Assen and then to try to bring back the old US track.

There already are good Mugello and Jerez version that it would be difficult to improve upon. Also it would probably be disrespectful to ignore what the community already did.

I also think that when the vote was counted classic assen was winning. Was a while ago however so I can't remember.

It was simply cause there is already a great Mugello circuit available for GPBikes, it didn't make any sense to reinvent the wheel, so to speak...... Besides, what's wrong with having a great Classic Assen TT circuit? It was renowned for being one of the best(if not the best) circuits in the world before they bastardized it like they have done with many of the classic race tracks these days.

To be honest, Mugello or any track that was already available for GPBikes(good tracks) should not have been put in the list in the first place; was always going to cause contention among some selfish members of the community.

No we just need period bikes to go on the classic assen.

Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on September 27, 2019, 06:35:57 AMNo we just need period bikes to go on the classic assen.

I'm sure someone has still got the GP500 1992 bikes?

Sod the 4 strokes! Hehe! ;D  ;D  ;)

All Bikes are on the database

GPBikes Bikes Database (https://mega.nz/#F!myAEWA5Q!RgezKrAupEpP_jQ1zHTBJQ)

DD

EDIT: naturally they need updatung for 16b and then made so that there is no mismatch on servers so maybe MPR can do that and I will then put them on database if MPR sends me the edited ones......make sure it shows 16b in Bikes selection in game.

Thanks Javi

Quote from: doubledragoncc on September 27, 2019, 09:56:39 AMAll Bikes are on the database

GPBikes Bikes Database (https://mega.nz/#F!myAEWA5Q!RgezKrAupEpP_jQ1zHTBJQ)

DD

EDIT: naturally they need updatung for 16b and then made so that there is no mismatch on servers so maybe MPR can do that and I will then put them on database if MPR sends me the edited ones......make sure it shows 16b in Bikes selection in game.

Thank you, very much !

Ledenon please :D

Ah ah !Incroyable, il est dans la bases de données depuis janvier 2017....mais comment l'installer ?

Will the new track feature in B17?