So, we're restarting.
Happy restart all! :D
Right. I just hope that users will be more mature and will be based on basis of merit.
Happy restart! ;D
Quote from: Furious on September 17, 2013, 12:43:58 PM
Right. I just hope that users will be more mature and will be based on basis of merit.
we don't need argues here ( is it correct? i'm not mothelanguage lol )
Brilliant the forum is up and running again, thanks Piboso.
for this restart i hope doubledragon won't type with caps lock enabled LOL
:D ;D ;D ;D registration are now opened! i'm in!! 8) HAPPY RESTART!!
beautiful the forum is back ... see you on track!! ;D
My best regards to all the people again.
See you.
Hi, new good start
Here I am!!!
;D I enjoy
Remember people, only happy thoughts on this new forum!
I`m out, forever. Good luck with the game & community..
JamoZ
Quote from: JamoZ on October 01, 2013, 08:49:31 PM
Remember people, only happy thoughts on this new forum!
I`m out, forever. Good luck with the game & community..
JamoZ
It's only possible to comment the sims, not the developer. Would you prefer to complain about delays? Do you think it would be helpful?
I say good day. Now good day.
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Never have i complained about delays nor will i do so in the future. None of my or warlock`s deleted posts were insulting, attacking or negative about you or GPB in general.
"An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages." - Wikipedia
It`s quite clear that this has become a developers blog, with no room for discussions amongst members who helped support the sim & forum in every way we could.
Deleting posts and closing threads that you don`t like personally isn`t going to solve anything. It will just frustrate more people and drive them away eventually.
Juju made the right choice, he`s not alone.
Don`t forget to delete this now.
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I've never complained about delays, never.
I've been discussing with many people here, defending your work , trying to keep people calm and wait for the releases, giving the feedback i can.
And i feel now like kicked in the face, just because im trying to help you not to go crazy with the forum.
A forum is for us, even if you host it. We can discuss what we want (about the sim, the developing or whatever is related to the sim) if we are respectful and not insulting. I'm sorry but that's what a forum is.
Sad to say but, i'm out of the forum too, this new rules are unacceptable for an actual society. I'm not a child , i'm 43 years old, i'm always respectfull and never insult others. There is no need to delete my posts.
Hope you can understand.
Quote from: Warlock on October 01, 2013, 09:45:59 PM
I've never complained about delays, never.
I've been discussing with many people here, defending your work , trying to keep people calm and wait for the releases, giving the feedback i can.
And i feel now like kicked in the face, just because im trying to help you not to go crazy with the forum.
A forum is for us, even if you host it. We can discuss what we want (about the sim, the developing or whatever is related to the sim) if we are respectful and not insulting. I'm sorry but that's what a forum is.
Sad to say but, i'm out of the forum too, this new rules are unacceptable for an actual society. I'm not a child , i'm 43 years old, i'm always respectfull and never insult others. There is no need to delete my posts.
Hope you can understand.
Then you don't understand the amount of pressure and stress this damn forum is generating in an already extremely stressed person.
Not all projects have an official forum, maybe GP Bikes shouldn't have one.
I totally agree with both discussions but can't we just stop with this conversation now, I'm just getting up to speed with you quick boys and you'll all retiring from the game, let's stop and start afresh see where we end up.
I can sense good racing ahead so chill people
I really understand what you are saying, man, i told you before i understand your position, trust me , i understand you.
But in my opinion you are taking it in a personal way. You shouldn't get stressed with what people are saying in the forum, people in general are idiot, including me.
You should take this as a tool for you to know how are the things out there, get feedback.
Do you think if Milestone has a forum they would take seriously what they read in the forum, or get stressed? Absolutely NO. They only take from the forum what they think is necesary for them to do a good product. Anything else they don't give a s***t.
Please think about this, think like a company not like a single person. Put a wall between you and us, don't let the forum stress you. I think is something that any company manager, boss or whatever is exposed to public critiques should learn to do.
I have my own business, a creative business, and for sure people complaint about my work, i know it. But i have to learn to deal with this and don't get stressed, its only a feedback for me.
Please think about this calmly. All i want is GPB to be a succesfull project. Those last rules you set will kill the comunity and give you a false feedback of how the project is going on.
Toomes, what we are talking about is not negative, is something we have to talk about, for the sim to be a succesfull product. Is necesary we talk about this like grown people, calmly and respectfull. We are not shouting each other, we are talking.
Quote from: Warlock on October 01, 2013, 10:15:39 PM
I really understand what you are saying, man, i told you before i understand your position, trust me , i understand you.
But in my opinion you are taking it in a personal way. You shouldn't get stressed with what people are saying in the forum, people in general are idiot, including me.
You should take this as a tool for you to know how are the things out there, get feedback.
Do you think if Milestone has a forum they would take seriously what they read in the forum, or get stressed? Absolutely NO. They only take from the forum what they think is necesary for them to do a good product. Anything else they don't give a s***t.
Please think about this, think like a company not like a single person. Put a wall between you and us, don't let the forum stress you. I think is something that any company manager, boss or whatever is exposed to public critiques should learn to do.
I have my own business, a creative business, and for sure people complaint about my work, i know it. But i have to learn to deal with this and don't get stressed, its only a feedback for me.
Please think about this calmly. All i want is GPB to be a succesfull project. Those last rules you set will kill the comunity and give you a false feedback of how the project is going on.
Toomes, what we are talking about is not negative, is something we have to talk about, for the sim to be a succesfull product. Is necesary we talk about this like grown people, calmly and respectfull. We are not shouting each other, we are talking.
To be detached from comments is the first thing you learn when entering the gaming industry. But it is much easier when working on a game 40 hours a week for a salary, in a company. When you are alone and you get criticism and even threats ( YEAH, I even got those ) about YOU personally, and not your projects you work for 80 hours a week, a DAMN project you only LOSE money and time on, then you get VERY stressed.
Look, i`m sorry you have to deal with bullshit like that, people are assholes and there is nothing you`re going to do about that. But that`s no reason to act it out on people sharing their opinions. You can`t let personal feelings interfere when you`re running a forum.
Warlock all I want is to get to race with you guys in the same events that use to be held for the 500, that's the community I want back,thats all I'm saying and please warlock don't quit the forum your needed man.
Quote from: Toomes1 on October 01, 2013, 10:48:01 PM
Warlock all I want is to get to race with you guys in the same events that use to be held for the 500, that's the community I want back,thats all I'm saying and please warlock don't quit the forum your needed man.
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 01, 2013, 10:24:26 PM
To be detached from comments is the first thing you learn when entering the gaming industry. But it is much easier when working on a game 40 hours a week for a salary, in a company. When you are alone and you get criticism and even threats ( YEAH, I even got those ) about YOU personally, and not your projects you work for 80 hours a week, a DAMN project you only LOSE money and time on, then you get VERY stressed.
Yes you right, i understand. That's people, that's this world, sadly... not much we can do about that.....people will always push you to the limit....
But think what you have done, is AMAZING and people know this, even if they are all day criticizing,
Who really trust in this project will wait for years if necesary (all day complaining , but they will wait), so take your time. It sounds sad you call this a DAMN project (but i understand)
I know you cant be too patient or work less hours, because you are investing money on this, and loosing it. Only you know how hard this is, but you also know great projects are very difficult.
Only you know how far you can go in this circumstances. I can only hope you keep with the project untill it see some benefits.
In the other hand, we talked before about some questions to keep people happy and buying the game while you continue perfecting what you think it can be better. You know what i'm talking about, i'm not going to start that discussion again, we already did enough.
Well, i don't really know what to say to make you feel better, ..........but deleting posts is not the way. You need us, and we need you happy and healthy.
Only i can say is if people is free to post whatever they want, i will stay here and try to keep people calm as i've been doing many time.
I'm not going to be a moderator of the forum, i will be a moderator as a user , as always, because thats me, i dont like to bother others to the point they get stressed and also i dont like to see others doing it.
If we all think like this, we don't even need a moderator. Hope people here that have seen all what happened before take note of this.
Piboso as you said, maybe GP Bikes shouldn't have a forum. If you think it will be better for you and for the project,.....man, go ahead. Close it before people start to post things that the consider important like in the old forum. Just keep the blog for us to see how is it going. But please advise with some time for people to get ready and recover all what they want before close.
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Yeah Toomes, i know what you mean, those days were fun but also were stressfull and very frustrating days. We were doing an effort to keep it going once the championship started but was very frustrating, every day training , more than 400 laps per week, to have a core.exe crash in the second lap of the race, if you were lucky to connect to the server.
Not yet the day for a new championship.
Don't take me wrong, i'm not complaining about this, really was an experience that i don't regret, i had real fun even with problems and will not forget it in a long time. But we have to wait to do it again in better conditions.
You can see Piboso is having a bad time with all this, so please, we have to be patient. We will revive those days soon or later.
Piboso, Warlock is right.
This is the "official" GPB/WRS forum and it's nice to have it. However, don't feel obliged to read it, especially if you feel offended and annoyed by some comments (and this will happen, granted).
Your time is precious (and your well being too): get one trusted person to be your eye on the forum and filter all the crap and irrelevant stuff (I mean irrelevant to you).
Only a very tiny percentage of the old forum messages were of any interest for you: don't waste time in reading uninteresting stuff we all post (me included).
Bad critics ? Crazy requests ? Inappropriate comments ? They will come, just ignore.
Threats ? That's bad. Just ignore.
Somebody complaining about delays or how the project is going ? Big deal ... just ignore. Don't even waste the time to delete the message.
Moderating the forum takes time (and puts you in a bad light): just leave the task to somebody else, if you think we do need a moderator.
Put some distance between you and the forum: you only need some feedback from the community and we only need a few infos from you. The rest is bla bla bla.
MaX.
Reading this, I think, as Max, that Warlock is right. Don´t look at the "dark side of the moon", there´s contructive feedback too and happiness on the forum, just a perspective change about what you read makes difference. I used to think (and still do), reading the posts, that a great percentage of users are happy with the sim, I never put the focus on the reiterative and no founded complains, but is not my bussines... We all are here for something, and that´s your product.
I'm sorry to say Ian, but your post is also a personal attack. Thats the perfect way to start a battle.
Please stop now, simply stop.
I will mate but I was offended at being called a asshole I will delete my thread now I hope Jamoz will do the same
Please read again his post, i think he is no talking about you m8, he is talking about people in general as i did before calling people idiots. But the way i say it includes me, people in general.
At no point did i insult anyone from this forum. As Warlock stated, i was talking about people in general.
I am sorry that I read you post wrong but you quoted my post and said" sorry you have to deal with bullshit like that" please word a bit different to avoid a mix up next time.
I`m sorry for the quote, i didn`t do that on purpose. I never noticed it untill now. :/
Issue sorted out, now back to peace and love mode ;)
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 02, 2013, 11:53:11 PM
Issue sorted out, now back to peace and love mode ;)
MaX.
+1 ;)
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 01, 2013, 10:24:26 PM
To be detached from comments is the first thing you learn when entering the gaming industry. But it is much easier when working on a game 40 hours a week for a salary, in a company. When you are alone and you get criticism and even threats ( YEAH, I even got those ) about YOU personally, and not your projects you work for 80 hours a week, a DAMN project you only LOSE money and time on, then you get VERY stressed.
You really loose money Piboso ? Maybe GPB is not very lucrative but with the licenses did you really loose money? I know there's forum etc.. who have a price but i was thinking you was earning money not loosing even if it's just a little .
And u can be proud of you're project so it's not totally black
You make a fantastic sim and i hope you enjoy ride it too so there's some benefits others than time and monney.
Quote from: capeta on October 06, 2013, 07:00:38 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 01, 2013, 10:24:26 PM
To be detached from comments is the first thing you learn when entering the gaming industry. But it is much easier when working on a game 40 hours a week for a salary, in a company. When you are alone and you get criticism and even threats ( YEAH, I even got those ) about YOU personally, and not your projects you work for 80 hours a week, a DAMN project you only LOSE money and time on, then you get VERY stressed.
You really loose money Piboso ? Maybe GPB is not very lucrative but with the licenses did you really loose money? I know there's forum etc.. who have a price but i was thinking you was earning money not loosing even if it's just a little .
And u can be proud of you're project so it's not totally black
You make a fantastic sim and i hope you enjoy ride it too so there's some benefits others than time and monney.
Losing A LOT of money.
Licenses didn't cover even one tenth of development costs.
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 06, 2013, 05:54:25 PMLosing A LOT of money.
Licenses didn't cover even one tenth of development costs.
:-\
so, what's the plan ?
Quote from: JC#21 on October 06, 2013, 07:18:42 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 06, 2013, 05:54:25 PMLosing A LOT of money.
Licenses didn't cover even one tenth of development costs.
:-\
so, what's the plan ?
The usual plan: to use money from KRP to develop GP Bikes.
And hopefully MX Bikes will bring some fresh cash.
Have to say that, in terms of sales, the recent moves (shutting the forum down, removing the beta3 download link and the license purchase page) can't do any good. In particular the last two.
However, you can be sure that a beta4 (or a v1) with less online problems, minor improvements on the physics and bike slots (even only bike slots, not even moddable physics) would give you a bump in GPB sales. Granted.
And if money is an issue, there are ways to mitigate that.
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2013, 08:47:49 PM"And if money is an issue, there are ways to mitigate that."
AND MY AXE!
PD: lol ::)
Quote from: BRM on October 06, 2013, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2013, 08:47:49 PM"And if money is an issue, there are ways to mitigate that."
AND MY AXE!
PD: lol ::)
And my vuvuzela!
http://www.youtube.com/v/7B2LPxggvqY
LOL
And a donation system isn't possible ?
There is some passionates guys there...
I'm playing at gp-bikes since the start and i'm always there. So there is good points in this game in my opinion.
I'm agree with HornetMax. A V1 is needed to sale the game.
Have you already try to contact Kunos (or other) to have a discution about their opinions on your project ? I know he is interested about bikes and maybe he will be interesting to help you to orientate your choices ?
His project is very big now and at the beginning it was a little project as gp-bikes (i was on the start too :) ). Now with Asseto Corsa, it's a very big project.
And signed a contract that says for example summary: GPBIKES property of Piboso 100% forever, and this "user x" donates X € anonymously and selflessly a Piboso for the development of GPBIKES. This money can not be returned.
Signed: "user x"
Hopefully we will not see big advertisements after comments from users trying to sell there products. I just love it when someone replies with one line and there advertisement takes up the rest of the page. Lol
Hello from America everyone!
Bought GP Bikes a few months ago and could not be more impressed. The bikes physics feel better than anything I have ever tried. I bought it before the forum went away, came back a few weeks ago to find a ghost town! Glad to see its back, I have put more hours into this sim than I care to say. @PiBoSo not sure what happened here but it sounds like some people got to ya, keep going, this sim has so much potential I would hate to see it end. Played my first online race yesterday and won! Feel free to pm me if anyone ever wants to race! I set about 1:32:00 race pace lap times on Victoria.
Welcome,
Get into the 1.26`s and you`ve got yourself a race :P
JamoZ
Are you guys sure you can do 1.26 with a Race Setup???
If i push hard i get into 1.27 high with race setup but honestly I can ride continually low 1.28'
1.26 is propably hardly doable with soft tyres^^
Sounds almost like we have to set up a race ;D
1.26 race pace? you must be breaking way deeper into turn 1 than I can atm. need to fiddle with the front suspension then :) would love to follow you around at some point and see how you are pulling that off.
edit. I just found a new line through turn 1 and was able to set 1:30.5s consistently! I was not staying wide enough going, carrying a lot more speed now:)
Quote from: Desteban on October 21, 2013, 10:29:23 PM
Are you guys sure you can do 1.26 with a Race Setup???
If i push hard i get into 1.27 high with race setup but honestly I can ride continually low 1.28'
1.26 is propably hardly doable with soft tyres^^
Sounds almost like we have to set up a race ;D
Yesterday i pulled a 1.26.8 out of my hat at the 3rd lap on soft tires with 10 lt of fuel on Victoria which i didn`t ride for months and quite frankly i just hate the track. 5th lap i brought it down to 1.26.5 (note that there was alot of rubber on track due to being a hotlap server). Not sure what`s doable with a race setup, but on Monza i was putting out qualify pace at the end of a 18 laps race on full race setup. Sometimes i don`t even notice the difference between a full tank or hard tires...usually it makes the bike feel more stable :P Hope that feeling will be more noticable in future builds...
Quoteedit. I just found a new line through turn 1 and was able to set 1:30.5s consistently! I was not staying wide enough going, carrying a lot more speed now:)
Most speed can be found during braking imo. i hardly brake for turn 1. Having a good braking technique is key point in this game and will save you alot of time eventually and obviously gives you a big advantage over others in a race. There is just so much going into putting out a fast lap that it`s hard to explain, but focus on your braking points and pressure and you will see those laptimes go down really fast. High braking pressure is not always better..i run most my setups with 0/1 or 0/2. Hope this helps a bit...
Is theres someting strange going on ?
All of a sudden, everybody seems to go much faster on Victoria than before ...
MaX.
I am wondering how much the rubber on the track helps, I mostly play offline (in america so most euro players are not on when I am) and so my tracks have no rubber on track.
Groove (rubber on the track) helps a lot, but we had a groove on the Victoria server (online) even before ...
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 22, 2013, 06:24:40 PM
Is theres someting strange going on ?
All of a sudden, everybody seems to go much faster on Victoria than before ...
MaX.
I think it`s just because Victoria is the leading hotlap server, and therefore people will improve on that quickly because they ride that the most :P
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 22, 2013, 09:12:44 PM
Groove (rubber on the track) helps a lot, but we had a groove on the Victoria server (online) even before ...
MaX.
because it's the only track they train at
Quote from: omarscommin on October 22, 2013, 06:57:04 PM
I am wondering how much the rubber on the track helps, I mostly play offline (in america so most euro players are not on when I am) and so my tracks have no rubber on track.
Im "euro" player and i to don't have rubber on track.....it's like riding on ice......can't even do 1.26 anymore lol......ice ice racing ;D
It is interesting to note that the GP Bikes laptimes at Victoria, that looked extremely unrealistic, are no more so off since the real track was re-paved.
So it is safe to assume that GP Bikes simulates a smooth track :)
Agree, but MotoGP riders are still to slow for us ;D
(https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/529109_497895810293880_1457299332_n.jpg)
to have a comparison with the actual times play onboard cam
I think the goal to have realistic lap times is almost impossible to achieve, way too many factors at play.
The simple fact GPB is "close enough" or even "in the ballpark" is already very good.
MaX.
Hey guys, only just been able to register on the forum.
Good to speak and race against you all again ;D
Hi all,
I've been waiting for that confirmation email for more then a month. Finally tonight the damn thing worked.
Sorry to see the servers empty but hopefully things will pick up after the update