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@Gzehoo: Sorry, I wouldn't write anything additinal to the poll, but the forum doesn't accept this. Now I have edited to -.

And: As of now I promise to blend into your championship no more. 

BR Olaf

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You could simply include a speed delta condition for those cases.

In case anyone misses the braking point totally there will be also a big speed Ddelta.

It's simply until the moment you really have to programme this.

BR Olaf

It's an interesting discussion and an interesting idea - the penalty system.
I think to make the penalty System dependent from the guilt of driver is hard for human race comissionars. For an automatic system it's so complex that I would say it's near by unpossible.

imo, the rider attempting to overtake (so coming from behind) should be penalized.

I think the "badest crimes" are to drive after a crash back to the idealline irrespective of the traffic. In this case the guilty driver isn't on the back.

I think practically an penalty system can only work for all involved drivers. For a longer term I think the advantages are greater than the disadvantages (injustices).


But what doesn't please me is: During racing you don't know at which place you are in reality. This should be only in exceptional cases.
So I would repeat my proposals:

1. The big crash like in SKB2000/2001: After a crash the driver stand up, runs to the bike with lets say 2 metres/second, picks up the bike. Not before then he can drive on.
2. In case of harder crashes the bike get a problem that the bike makes slower (lets say between 0.5 and 1 sec per lap), In case of the next hard crash another 0.5-1 second.

The advantage is: The "penalty" is fast-acting, no armchair decisions.

BR Olaf

It seems GPB forgot to count your lap 19, Napalm Nick. It seems a bug of GPB.

But your are not alone with your critic on the ranking system. It's a bug in it, independent of eventual GPB bugs.

For Bugatti I couldn't make my grids comparision, because I hadn't the race export from 15CET race (the shortcut doesn't work for my GPB2in1 tool). And maybe it's unwelcome from the race organisators?

I can't take the existing ranking for seriously (the reasons I had explained in an other thread). So the championchip is sadly only a number of single races for me.

BR Olaf

If Piboso would give the server admins a hardcore "Crash and your out" setting for events then riders will soon realise they have to ride a lot more responsibly and carefully or suffer the consequences exactly the same as riders have to in reality.
This would lead to better riders/riding and therefore less frustrating situations that "Adalgood" is understandably pointing out. It can be VERY frustrating for those that put in SO much hard work and practice before an event.

It would be a hard pill to swallow for some, especially the riders who are SO used to riding in games like Milestones MotoGP were you can get away with murder! Lol! But they would soon learn. 

If you want it then ask Piboso for it.... I've tried many times in the past only for it to apparently fall on deaf-ears each time.   

If you want real simulation then lets have it!   

In the simulation I raced for some years are two modes:
1. mode INT: instant repairing without conseuqences.
2. mode PRO with no ShiftR, end of the races in case of major damages like engine failure, loosing wheels, etc.

Only in my first halv year I was happy about the mode INT, because I had no chance to finish a race in mode PRO.
After that I was only interested at PRO races.
But much races don't bring much fun, because after five laps I missed a few drivers, after 20 min often the halv of the drivers are eliminated and in some cases only three drivers see the quecked flag.

My opinion: The best way is between both. The instant repairing in GPB isn't worthy for a simulation. And it is another reason (additional to the restart possibility) for the chaotic kind of driving of many divers (me too).
But I think the "Hawk mode" is inappropriate for GPB. GPB is too hard to drive and there are too many problems in synergie between GPB and mods.

My alternative ideas:
1. The big crash like in SKB2000/2001: After a crash the driver stand up, runs to the bike with lets say 2 metres/second, picks up the bike. Not before then he can drive on.
2. In case of harder crashes the bike get a problem that the bike makes slower (lets say between 0.5 and 1 sec per lap), In case of the next hard crash another 0.5-1 second.

So the riders would be more respectful and the results are more interesting because they are not only determinated by speed, but also by driving style, race intelligence, ...and all can finish the race.

That's my wishes to PiBoSo.


Selfmade there will still be collissions, it's a normal thing. But I think much lesser. And so all in all the fun factor should be increasing a lot.


At the end I would say (because I'm often criticize things): Don't missunderstand me. I will not retireing from the championship. 

BR Olaf

The "jump start bug" is a miracle to me.
I drive with automatic clutch. In my first two test races at the start at first I opened the throttle a little bit and changed to first gear. In this case I produced a spectacular crash.
After that bad experiances I first change to first gear and then open the throttle. So I get no problem with "jump start bug" or saltos.
I often see start saltos from other drivers.
It seems to me if all drivers starts in my unspectacular way there will be no "jump start bug". So we need no polls, no restarts and all will be good.

The restart polls and chatting about "jump start bug" after the start overcharged me completely - I'm crashing in the next corner.

I think the knowledge of a possible restart creates chaotic starts in every race.

But I'm new. Maybe I understand the "jump start bug" not correct? Maybe is it an other thing for riders with manual clutch?

BR Olaf

1. I can't see helmet paints (can't choice them into bikes section in GPB).

2. And I can see only a few rider paintings - the most I don't see. 

For the second problem today I found the reason. I see exactly this rider paints that don't use # in the file name. And these are only a few.
I'm on Windows10/64Bit.

BR Olaf

So folks, this is my first championship, I confess I jumped several times, a baffle is not achieved. And my joystick is not the best.can see my times that did not favor me. Still, there are no criticisms, I hope you understand and the next I will do the best.
On the other hand, I did not crash in any accident that I remember, I do not see the reason to criticize me.

I have seen in the replay at Dunlop Chicane you constantly use the run-off area to your advantage. In real racing. If you don't lift the throttle after that you get an penalty.
Otherwise racing makes no sense.


A corner cutting problem has many four-wheel simulations too. In some sims like grand prix legends drivers will be completely disqualified from the race if they drive outside of checkpoints - in case they are slower because of mistakes. It it's bad.
The GPB penalty system is principially good. But it seems at Bugatti are too less checkpoints? And the questions is: Inflict GPB for every cutting a penalty or only at once in a race. I wished for every cutting.

BR Olaf

Statistics from 20CET race:

http://race.eolc.de/Olaf_Lehmann/R03bugatti.html

BR Olaf

Sorry false thread.

I would post something in the other Bugatti thread and couldn't delete this post.

Result race 20CET:
http://race.eolc.de/Olaf_Lehmann/R03bugatti20CET.html

The result from 15CET race is top secret? 

At this track I was confused that everyone has apparently an other opinion what is track and what is not track.
I have getting a corner cutting penalty, because I lost totally my concentration after 20min. For two/three laps it was impossible for me to stay on track.
I don't think I get an advantage for me. I get a penalty (I don't know that GPB it does) and lost the 11th place. But selfmade it's fair so.
After that my concentration comes back for the last laps, but the tires (front=hard, rear=medium) works very bad at the end of the race.

For my say I would suggest no restarts it just messes others up. Restarting for one player is kind but a disaster for most others. To only have 1 person jump is a GPB miracle in the first place. 

+1

Having many people enter for races and having to figure out how to split them is a nice problem to have eh 

Yes that are luxury problems.

But I think the valuation of the two races is like a lottery.
It isn't a good idea simply to list the drivers in the first line in order of the driving lap. If the winner of one race is much faster than in the other race the overlapped drivers of the faster race are obvious disadvantaged.

Like announced two weeks before I have made a tool that compares the both grids (in using of race exports) much more realistic.
The overlapped finishers gets added missing laps*average laptime (of this driver).
Then the modified times are compared and drivers with a slower time than 120% of the winner are assigned in grew (80% rule independent of overlapping).

Here is  the comparision of Johor in that way.

http://race.eolc.de/Olaf_Lehmann/XR02johor.html

The listing is clearly recognizable from the official listing - no wonder because the winner of race1 was 45s faster than the winner in race2.

I have packed the tool in the folder from GPBBestLap, see here:
http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=5762.0

I think the tool could make the listing easier than before and it is relative understandable.

BR Olaf

P.S.: JulianChips is only with 18laps listed because the GPB Export say it. I think there was a problem with GPB itself.

Plus, the 3am race seems to be easier because there are less people.. They were only 14 where we were around 20 for the 8am one. That mean more dangerous situation on track and so on..

Selfmade it is so.
My hope is: Because of that fact will be more people start at the 15CET race, if they have the possibility.

In the second race (Johor) was a bit more participants in the afternoon race as in the first race at Victoria. I'll try to race in the third race 15CET again, but otherwise I wouldn't race with less than 10 drivers because it's not really fun.

Posted by: teeds
« on: Today at 01:23:42 PM »
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We know what you mean, it's been pointed out before. But I think with the worldwide grid we have this is the best solution?

I think so.

Quote from: Olaf Lehmann on March 04, 2018, 04:32:20 PM
Special statistics:
http://race.eolc.de/Olaf_Lehmann/R02johor.html


That's pretty cool, nice one.     
Can basically read my whole race in that - the crash when I got distracted on lap 10 by Reactive leaving (one gear too high into a corner because I glanced up briefly - grrr, oops and dammit!  ) and the lap where a bunch of folk were lapping me and I was pootling around looking back everywhere.

...and the last lap where I wasn't sure whether it was all over or not. 

I'm really pleased that the table grooves for you, Grooveski. 
I plan an addiction. It will be an additional table that shows the standings after each lap too. If all works correct I upload the tool. Then the driver can choice which driver will be assigned in yellow.

when does the result list and the overall evaluation of joho come?

I'm wondering too that I can't find the result of the evening race. 

BR Olaf