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rider controll
« on: June 12, 2017, 07:47:56 PM »
does anyone know if there are any benefits of having manual rider lean control?

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Re: rider controll
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2017, 08:50:32 PM »
I used to use it quite a bit in Beta 6c for those slow tight bends - actually holding the rider up - to prevent so many front washouts. Doesn't seem that tactic is needed as much now (still works well for the MSM125 tho).
Now I have it auto with manual override which comes in useful now and again for setting up for a corner or helping to come out of one.

But, like the front /rear lean in manual override it was changed to satisfy one person and now it hardly works  :( When the important stuff is done I might ask PiB to put the manual control at least back to how it was, or even better give it full control at any speed.

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Re: rider controll
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2017, 09:39:03 PM »
does anyone know if there are any benefits of having manual rider lean control?

When I used to use it, the benefits I noticed was on the bikes handling through corners. Moving the rider forward or backward makes(or used to make; not tried it since Piboso changed it like Nick said), but yeah, it used to make a big difference in how the bike would handle through corners by shifting the riders weight around. Takes a lot of regular practice though so you can do it without thinking about it. Lol.  ;D

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Re: rider controll
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2017, 06:09:09 AM »
I'm trying it now, the easiest way to see it's effect is to turn off "automatic L/R rider lean" then try it on track, you will notice that the leaning angle is reduce by almost 40%. So i think the it is very interesting whith game pad becaus it "reduce" the leaning angle when not used so youcan be more smooth on long and medium corner "ex the 3rd corner in Catalunya" and when you need maximun lean angle you just use it. I'm trying a setup with my home made controller and the gyroscope of my phone "my controller control the bike leaning and the telephone attached to my head control the rider leaning" it seam very interessant, especially in chicane when you need to lean the rider first in the second corner before leaning the bike. About F/B leaning it is very useful on powerfull bike (moto gp, GP 1000, Wsbk etc) you can use it as an anti wheelie because when it is automatic it wait for a certain rpm to lean Forward, if you use it manually then you can lean forward even before you hit gas. I also notice that Aerodinamyc is really working in GPbikes so if you're on a long straighline, you reach more speed leaning forward .....

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Re: rider controll
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2017, 07:05:22 AM »
thats very interresting.

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Re: rider controll
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2017, 10:16:28 AM »
I've been manual rider since day 1 on GPBikes but tried auto for a session a few months ago just out of curiosity.  What I missed most was:

- As Nick said - staying upright into park-and-turn hairpins.

- Choosing when to move the rider to the side while braking - like at A1 Ring turn 2 where you're braking and still upright or even still drifting left but want the rider off to the right to drop into the corner(and maybe even want him there early so his movement doesn't introduce wobbles while braking).

- Stuffing it into flat-out-entry corners or kinks.  Jam the rider over a moment before the bike and the weight tranfer drops the bike in quicker.  (Monza T4 and dozens of others)

- Keeping the rider static through a pair or series of same-direction corners.  e.g. Brno T5-6 or the triple rights at Quatar.

- Yanking the bike off kerbs before they run out without running right in to mid-track(bike leaning in but rider briefly leaning off the other side).  Aragon T7-8 a prime example but maybe 1 in 4 tracks has a bit where I find myself doing it.

- Picking the bike up to get on the power while still keeping the rider at full lean(aka - Doing a Dani).  Handy for avoiding lowsides, reducing power pogoing and in general a nice safe way of getting a bike out of a corner. 
I do the same kind of thing at chicanes too.  It's happening quicker but is the same principle - delay the rider motion until the bike has lifted a bit and there's less chance of washing out when you then change sides.

- Staying behind the bubble.

- Little corrections everywhere.
...but in particular sweeping climbs where rather than adjust the bike lean I'll just slide the rider off a little to the side(still basically down behind the bubble).  e.g. Aragon at the rise before the bus-stop section.

Has to be said - GPBikes' auto rider is better than most.   :)
...but it still has a few tricks to learn.
Also worth pointing out that I get my ass handed to me by folk using the auto rider all the time.   :P

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Re: rider controll
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2017, 11:12:53 AM »
I've been manual rider since day 1 on GPBikes but tried auto for a session a few months ago just out of curiosity.  What I missed most was:

- As Nick said - staying upright into park-and-turn hairpins.

- Choosing when to move the rider to the side while braking - like at A1 Ring turn 2 where you're braking and still upright or even still drifting left but want the rider off to the right to drop into the corner(and maybe even want him there early so his movement doesn't introduce wobbles while braking).

- Stuffing it into flat-out-entry corners or kinks.  Jam the rider over a moment before the bike and the weight tranfer drops the bike in quicker.  (Monza T4 and dozens of others)

- Keeping the rider static through a pair or series of same-direction corners.  e.g. Brno T5-6 or the triple rights at Quatar.

- Yanking the bike off kerbs before they run out without running right in to mid-track(bike leaning in but rider briefly leaning off the other side).  Aragon T7-8 a prime example but maybe 1 in 4 tracks has a bit where I find myself doing it.

- Picking the bike up to get on the power while still keeping the rider at full lean(aka - Doing a Dani).  Handy for avoiding lowsides, reducing power pogoing and in general a nice safe way of getting a bike out of a corner. 
I do the same kind of thing at chicanes too.  It's happening quicker but is the same principle - delay the rider motion until the bike has lifted a bit and there's less chance of washing out when you then change sides.

- Staying behind the bubble.

- Little corrections everywhere.
...but in particular sweeping climbs where rather than adjust the bike lean I'll just slide the rider off a little to the side(still basically down behind the bubble).  e.g. Aragon at the rise before the bus-stop section.

Has to be said - GPBikes' auto rider is better than most.   :)
...but it still has a few tricks to learn.
Also worth pointing out that I get my ass handed to me by folk using the auto rider all the time.   :P

Very intriguing