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Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2018, 08:15:04 PM »
I've also always liked the Tuono. But the new cb1000r is also a very nice bike. I have had a similar decision to make. For me it was between the Tuono, R nineT and Thruxton R. Imo, in the end the most important questions you have to ask yourself:

1) the looks
Which bike's look do you prefer and most importantly, which look can you imagine yourself to get tired of the least over time? In your case, I would definitely say that the CB1000R has a much more classy and timeless look.

2) Are you the absolute racer or do you also like to take a fun ride every now and then?
If you can live with being out-accelerated by others every now and then, then take the CB1000R. If you need the absolute horsepower then take the Tuono. In terms of riding fast on your favorite roads after work, there is no need to have a Tuono. On curvy public roads, the riding skills decide whether you are fast or not. I can ride with almost anybody on public roads with my Thruxton R. It is funny to see the look on some guys on 200hp bikes not being able to shake me off. It is on racetracks where I am clearly slower due to the lack of horsepower. But even then it is only on tracks with long straights and I rarely go to racetracks (max 1x a year). So ask yourself which type of rider you are. If you hate to be slower than others, then take the Tuono, if you don't care to drag-race with others then take the Honda. Another nice thing of having a less aggressive looking bike: If you are not in the mood for riding fast, nobody will judge you. But if you have a Tuono, everybody expects you to ride fast. I have made the experience that oneself also has the tendency of always trying to live up to the expectations. Having a less aggressive bike makes riding more enjoyable. If I am not in the mood for riding fast or I am riding with my girlfriend, then it feels better on a 'normal' bike.

3) What kind of engine sound do you prefer?
Imo the V4 sound is absolutely sexy. And I hate the sound of inline-4-cylinder engines. Not sure how you think about it. That is something very indivdual. But from my experience, the sound of the engine is crucial for having a long-lasting love for one's bike.

Whichever way you decide, I wish you much fun and always a safe ride!  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2018, 10:01:32 PM »
Thanks Stout (and all, of course).

Look-wise, I wasn't a big fan of the Tuono and I'm not 100% convinced by the new cb1000r either.
The new cb1000r is a bit of a gamble: I'm not sure in 5 years from now the "retro cafe reacer" will still be en vogue.
I've put the tuono on my desktop wallpaper and it's growing on my little by little: not because it looks nice (it doesn't, my friend had a word with an Aprilia designer who confirmed the idea was definitely *not* to make it look nice, quite the contrary actually), but because it screams power in your face, from any angle, even when you look at it from below :)

But you're absolutely right, something more quiet and less aggressive looking would definitely be the logical, wise choice: I absolutely don't care of other passing me on lesser bikes. I'm not a racer and I never try to prove the contrary on public roads. And yeah, there's zero need for a Tuono on public roads (well, neither for the honda's 140hp actually ...).

It's just that the temptation of having a stupid powerful and capable bike once in a lifetime (cause I don't see myself doing that in too many years from now) is so strong ...

Anyway, money-time is coming, just got a very acceptable offer for my current cb1000r so yeah ... time to sleep over the decision.
Odds at the moment (assuming I do sell my bike): Tuono 55% - cb1000r 45%.

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2018, 12:08:59 AM »
Act your age Max.

An old Triumph, BSA, Matchless, or similar classic era bike you can show to youngsters and their Tourno twist-and-goes and remind them that these bikes had to be ridden back in the day. Cant believe you want a fuel gauge lol. I mean whats the point of having a 200 mph rocket that you will never use and even if you do reach that speed it will be like sitting on a marshmallow sipping Earl Grey tea. At the very least go for the one that burns a hole in your leg like a proper motorbike used to. If you can get it to piss crank oil on yer goggles and rear tyre too its worth getting in my opinion.  Something that makes you feel like a biker not one of them London 90s yuppies.   Jeez.  Luvvies everywhere.

 I did well not to mention 2 strokes. I know you would appreciate another view -cover all the angles and all that.

Edit: The Thruxton R is a no brainer. Bikers will still speak to you. (If you want their greasy words of course).
« Last Edit: November 06, 2018, 12:29:47 AM by Napalm Nick »
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2018, 07:56:11 AM »
Act your age Max.
Well given the shortlist I had in my head (SuperDukeR, Tuono, s1000r), the idea was clearly not to act my age.

Cant believe you want a fuel gauge lol.
I can live without, but what's the point on purposely not having one ?! That bike even has a lean angle indicator on its dash.

I mean whats the point of having a 200 mph rocket that you will never use
None. That's the beauty of it :)

At the very least go for the one that burns a hole in your leg like a proper motorbike used to.
The Tuono can actually do that I think (left side in particular).

I did well not to mention 2 strokes.
I may actually consider that when I change my lawnmower :)

Edit: The Thruxton R is a no brainer. Bikers will still speak to you. (If you want their greasy words of course).
Why all the brittons are trying to sell me uk-made bikes ?
Do you have stock you fear not to be able to flush due to brexit ? :) :) :)

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2018, 08:57:24 AM »
Hehe   8)

Going onto reserve fuel is the definition of a bike. You can only get more 'bike' if you fit a kick-start too. Does the lean indicator have a synchro feed to level the Pimms dispenser and cigar lighter?

I think your mind is made up, Tuono-boy.  ;) I guess there's still time to find your biker when you retire.

Enjoy!
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2018, 09:18:30 AM »
Your opening statement is probably the most revealing;

''The Tuono never really convinced me on the paper, mostly due to its look''

Did you find any new love for it after a ride ? i.e. would you just sit and look at it admiringly,  or is it just the tech/power side that impresses? as that will always be surpassed by the latest offerings.

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2018, 12:45:26 PM »
Edit: The Thruxton R is a no brainer. Bikers will still speak to you. (If you want their greasy words of course).
Why all the brittons are trying to sell me uk-made bikes ?
Do you have stock you fear not to be able to flush due to brexit ? :) :) :)

Because why wouldn't you want a questionable reliable, mediocre at best (unless you get the 675 or 765), made in India bike? ;D


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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2018, 05:26:48 PM »
Your opening statement is probably the most revealing;

''The Tuono never really convinced me on the paper, mostly due to its look''

Did you find any new love for it after a ride ? i.e. would you just sit and look at it admiringly,  or is it just the tech/power side that impresses? as that will always be surpassed by the latest offerings.
Good point there h. If one has second thoughts on the looks of a bike, it might not be the one to buy. On the other hand, from what I have heard from others (I personally haven't ridden the latest Tuono models), the Tuono seems to be hell of a bike with great handling, nice breaks and a very nice engine. So, I can imagine that MaX might consider it, even if he does not really like the looks 100%. On the other hand again, the looks are also pretty important. It's like with woman - you have to find the right mix. Perfect looks, but nothing more to her and you will see your admiration dwindle rather quickly. If the woman does have a great personality but lacks in beauty, you can go a good distance, but sooner or later, you will find a woman with a great personality AND good looks.

So, maybe the advice to MaX should be: If you have a great offer for your current bike, sell it. Then take your time until spring to collect yourself and find out which bike you really want. My guess is, that it is neither the Tuono nor the Cb1000R, because you simply are not in love with either one at the moment. Within the next 2 years, I think there will be many new bikes coming out that have a good chance of winning your heart.

Among current bikes, you should definitely look at the BMW S 1000 R, Speed Triple or even Street Triple. Even if you don't think you would like them, you can never really know unless you haven't ridden them. Riding a bike is something completely different to only seeing it. You can fall in love with the seating position, the sound, the handling etc. Since you do not seem to be in love with either bike, just test them. There is nothing to lose and it is fun to compare. I bet you might fall in love with the smooth thottle and the sound of a Speed Triple. If you do not like the underseat pipes (like me) then you can get aftermarket side pipes.

If you wait a little, BMW might bring a new S 1000 and Suzuki might have an all-new GSX1000 within 2 years. Also HD announced a very good looking power-naked which is reminiscent of the old Buell models. I like the looks very much.
https://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/sites/motorcyclecruiser.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2018/07/h-d_v-twin-sportbike.jpg?itok=xEBf5XHm&fc=50,50

All I am saying. Test the market. Don't buy something you will be fed up with in 2 years ; ) But if you do, you will most likely be able to sell a Tuono without making much of a loss in 2 years if you find a bike you love. So do whatevery your heart tells you in Spring  ;)
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2018, 09:13:57 PM »
Why all the brittons are trying to sell me uk-made bikes ?
Do you have stock you fear not to be able to flush due to brexit ? :) :) :)

Because why wouldn't you want a questionable reliable, mediocre at best (unless you get the 675 or 765), made in India bike? ;D
There are bikes outside the british empire and its colonies nowadays, you know ? :)

Did you find any new love for it after a ride ? i.e. would you just sit and look at it admiringly,  or is it just the tech/power side that impresses? as that will always be surpassed by the latest offerings.
Aesthetically no. It's a bike with only one purpose, and that purpose is not win a beauty contest.
But let me tone this down a bit: I don't find it utterly ugly, like for example an mt-10 (personal taste, of course; it seems to be a very very funny bike too).

But generally speaking, well yes, I did find new love. The kind of dangerous love you know you should not get tangled with.
Unless you've already put your less noble parts on a bike of this calibre, then you're bounded to be very impressed (valid in general, I would probably be as impressed by an SDR or an s1000r).

There are a few of details that point me in the italian job direction: first, I have a second hand Tuono (dealer demo bike, 1600Km, 4 months old, basically new) that I can have at a very good price. But of course, it can get sold overnight leaving me with remorse only.

Second, I've been asking my journo friend to feed me all the press info on big naked bikes reviews in the past 3 years at least. And the outcome (amongst serious reviewers and only in comparative tests) is nearly unanimous, no matter the country of origin of the reviewer. At that scale, it has to mean something.

And third my journo friend himself has been constantly, invevitably replying to all my nitpicking about the tuono with something like "yeah, the SDR is exremely funny, yeah the s1000r has some pros, yeah <inster whichever bike here> can be considered, but jesus ... the Tuono ... it's porn!".

@Stout: HD ? Big no-no for me.
But I agree on the approach "buy the tuono, have a quickie and sell it if not satisfied" :)

My buyer comes here this saturday with the money: deal signed, if the Tuono is still on the market then I'll try to negotiate the last few euros before finally giving up the ghost and probably walking around with a weird smile on my face until the day I can pick the Tuono up.
If by then it's gone, then too bad. I'm fairly sure the new cb1000r will give me plenty of good rides and who knows, if alzheimer spares me for a few more years, maybe I still have time for a hooligan bike later on.

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For what it's worth, my 10yo son and 8yo daugther are partial to the Tuono. And yes, I do occasionaly ride with them so, technically speaking, they are stakeholders in this :)

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2018, 09:23:24 PM »
Right call about the Tuono.

For me, Japanese bikes just don't have the passion that Euro bikes do.

All I am saying. Test the market. Don't buy something you will be fed up with in 2 years ; ) But if you do, you will most likely be able to sell a Tuono without making much of a loss in 2 years if you find a bike you love. So do whatevery your heart tells you in Spring  ;)

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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2018, 09:28:26 PM »
All I am saying. Test the market. Don't buy something you will be fed up with in 2 years ; ) But if you do, you will most likely be able to sell a Tuono without making much of a loss in 2 years if you find a bike you love. So do whatevery your heart tells you in Spring  ;)

Half the fun of owning a bike is thinking of which one to get next :P
Tempted to quote Stout here: it's like with with women  :P

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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2018, 02:11:21 AM »

It's just that the temptation of having a stupid powerful and capable bike once in a lifetime (cause I don't see myself doing that in too many years from now) is so strong ...



Then do it m8, you will regret not doing it or you will regret not doing it  :P.

Go buy a stupid powerfull bike, ride it until you are tired of it and sell. The thing is you won't get tired of a powerfull bike of nowadays, always satisfying when you twist the wrist.   :P


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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2018, 08:58:40 AM »

Then do it m8, you will regret not doing it or you will regret not doing it  :P.

Go buy a stupid powerfull bike, ride it until you are tired of it and sell. The thing is you won't get tired of a powerfull bike of nowadays, always satisfying when you twist the wrist.   :P

Hehehe :)

D-day (as in decision day) getting closer.

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2018, 11:43:38 AM »
D-day (as in decision day) getting closer.
Keep us posted mate. But I assume we will know as soon as your same is changed to TuonoMaX  :P
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2018, 03:00:06 PM »
D-day (as in decision day) getting closer.
Keep us posted mate. But I assume we will know as soon as your same is changed to TuonoMaX  :P
Nah, the first bike is always a special one.