Manual override of helpers

[HornetMaX]

It would be great to have a gear lever type foot controller for the gear shift. I gear shift with my foot pedals from my F430 at the moment, and I have to use the left pedal for downshift and the right pedal for upshift. So yeah, it would be great to have foot pedals/levers that acted the same as a motorcycle gear and brake foot levers.

Well, gear changes are "digital" actions, so buttons should be enough, no ?

MaX.

[Stout Johnson]

2) easy way of making micro adjustments when cornering

That's not so sure. As said by Warlock above: the rider in auto mode leans in a chicane, imagine you don't want him to lean, how would you do that ?
I mean, in override mode, if you leave the stick centered, this has to be interpreted as "stay with automatic" ... It may also be complicate in other situations.
I'm not sure how Piboso would handle that.

If the override mode "adds" to the auto-lean signal, then if he leans left and you don' t want him too, you'll have to "counter lean" ... hmmm ...

good point there... but that's a very particular point I was not referring to. I meant the "normal" leaning in long corners, where I can make smoother adjustments via rider leaning

but you are right, how this will be handled for staying neutral has to be figured out... counter-leaning would be a solution, but hard to get used to I guess....

The problem is that we have only two thumbs: a third stick on a joypad would not help.
Seems to me the only solution is to add pedals (that's already doable) and use them for some functions (e.g. clutch and rear brake) freeing one existing stick for rider movements.
E.g. left stick horiz = lean, right stick = rider lean (fwd/back, left/ right), triggers = throttle + front brake, pedals = clutch + rear brake.

not for me... I would guess (don't know as such a pad is not available yet) that having a normal stick left and 2 small sticks on the right (that are placed above each other) would allow to use the left one for steering, and the upper small one for rider leaning and the lower for clutch etc....

Another thing that may help (a little) is having a joypad with 3 or 4 triggers instead of only 2: you could use them for clutch, rear brake, throttle and front brake, leaving a stick for rider movements.
They'd have to be positioned in a way you can use them independently (e.g. with different fingers) though: like right index finger = throttle, right middle finger = front brake, left index = rear brake, left middle = clutch.

THAT is a nice proposal ... more triggers would be very much needed -  as I said, this could be a nice device which would sell great among motorcycle sim riders.... any entrepreneur around here who is willing to dig into this market niche?

[Stout Johnson]

Well, gear changes are "digital" actions, so buttons should be enough, no ?

MaX.

right!

[HornetMaX]

not for me... I would guess (don't know as such a pad is not available yet) that having a normal stick left and 2 small sticks on the right (that are placed above each other) would allow to use the left one for steering, and the upper small one for rider leaning and the lower for clutch etc....

THAT is a nice proposal ... more triggers would be very much needed -  as I said, this could be a nice device which would sell great among motorcycle sim riders.... any entrepreneur around here who is willing to dig into this market niche?

In my opinion, the niche is per se way too small: when you also consider that the device will probably cost in the 80+ Euros, that makes it even smaller.
That's probably why we don't have one yet and, likely, never will. Just the same as a good quality handlebar (which would be great, unless you also want to handle rider lean manually).



MaX.

[Hawk]

It would be great to have a gear lever type foot controller for the gear shift. I gear shift with my foot pedals from my F430 at the moment, and I have to use the left pedal for downshift and the right pedal for upshift. So yeah, it would be great to have foot pedals/levers that acted the same as a motorcycle gear and brake foot levers.

Well, gear changes are "digital" actions, so buttons should be enough, no ?

MaX.

If, like myself, you would like to have a controller more like a real motorcycle Throttle/Gear, brake and clutch levers, then of course the answer to your reply has got to be, "No". 

[HornetMaX]

Well, gear changes are "digital" actions, so buttons should be enough, no ?

If, like myself, you would like to have a controller more like a real motorcycle Throttle/Gear, brake and clutch levers, then of course the answer to your reply has got to be, "No". 
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For added realism OK, you could have a lever (two actually, including rear brake).
But for practical considerations, a handlebar with buttons to gear up/down looks more reasonable.

Sh@rk (on the french forum) had one of this built merging a G27 with a pocket bike handlebar and little more electronics: I think his solution (an "add-on" to a g27) is really smart and would probably sell OK, as many already have a g25/27 so ...

MaX.

[Stout Johnson]

In my opinion, the niche is per se way too small: when you also consider that the device will probably cost in the 80+ Euros, that makes it even smaller.
That's probably why we don't have one yet and, likely, never will. Just the same as a good quality handlebar (which would be great, unless you also want to handle rider lean manually).

you are absolutely right MaX, the niche is in all likelihood too small to be profitable... my comment was made with an invisible *wink*

but, m a y b e it could even be produced profitably, if one of the major producers of gamepads would be willing to make one, I think it could be made yielding a return - the costs could be controlled by using parts that are already in use in producing other gamepads. You would only need a new frame (I am not entirely sure if say 2-3 analogue sticks and 4 analogue triggers can be "transferred" from the gamepad to the computer? - but I guess with new cables that should be possible). And for me, personally, if there was a quality gamepad with 4 analogue triggers, I would pay up to 150,- for that... so with relative small production costs you could possibly make it profitable... and once on the market such a gamepad might come in handy for other games as well and would make it stand out from others