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Fantastic! Thank you :-) As for the configuration file nr 4
In my opinion rebound damping set to 15 should be the zero value (no damping at all) value 20 (middle setting setting) value 25 or even 30 maximum damping. Same for compression.
I feel bad because I take your time, and still not fully satisfied..Im really sorry. Maybe there is way I could change the settings by my own not to bother you and present the results after testing ?
I attach video from maximum rebound and compression setting with medium spring, when changing directions with little throttle aplied, so there was similar compression to both suspensions. Is it possible to give similar settings to rear suspension (rear decompress faster then front and the setting allows only value 11)
https://youtu.be/eWdXSa7NykI

Ah...so many good memories with those games 😊

I wonder what PiBoSo thinks about all of this writen here.

Thank you ! I have tested all of the files. The third one seem to be the best of them....but still the effect is a bit too explosive even if I set the damping to 20. I wonder how will it look like if I set it to 40... will the fork go slower to its initial position and slower compress?
I don't know the structure of the suspension code but I would double the strengh of rebound and compression damping. Still with hardest springs and hardest compression damping at hard braking there is exclamation mark, and when I release the brake the front rapidly moves up. Murasama is very easy to ride, the suspension issue was mostly visible at lighter 125/Moto3 bikes.

This video shows abit what I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj2BRE0Unck
It looks like the motorcycle in GP Bikes rebounds too fast no matter how I set it.
Or here:
https://www.youtube.com/v/mJV-jhEtjz4
<- front suspension damping
https://www.youtube.com/v/=SXDL_jREhEE
<- I miss that slower compression/rebound effect as shown at the start of video.

Ah yes! I forgot about moto racer. Shame that moto racer 4 is such a big waste of time and money 🙁

Ok I will try. I have found one more thing that might help in supersport class. Turn with throttle idle or throttle up so the front wheel will go up (helpful in slow corner exits) in all other situations the front will jump up 🙁

There is a problem with suspension set up. Rebound and compression damping do not work at all, and it has big consequences on bikes.

In short form:
Each movement on the bike causes rapid suspension compression and decompression and the bike acts like a ball. It has an impact on the bike behaviour because each faster direction change cause the bike going up and loosing grip of the tires - mainly front. The issue can be mainly visible for game pad uses that can change direction faster unlike using wheel where it is easier to make it smooth. I have tried to smooth out the release button to 100% and the problem still exists but has less impact. Unfortunately the lighter the bike the problem is bigger.

I have tested the problem in this way:
Track Victoria. Bikes - Original 125 and GP1000 bike. I have set the rebound and compression damping to 1 done some laps and then to 11 (both parameters) and also did some laps. There was a very little effect, I'd say there was none. The lighter the bike the problem is bigger. 125 cc jumps like a ball and in chicanes it almost always looses grip. The only way is to go very slow and smooth. Unfortunately in DEMO version there is only one bike - 125 and its the one most affected. I think that fixing it will let acoid frustration of possible new players who have to struggle with this problem in their early steps.

Here is video of the problem:
https://youtu.be/Ve8o3gQ_JuQ
Each direction change causes very fast decompression of suspension. No matter how fast it is done . The effect is inapropriate front tire load which losses grip becuse fast decompressed suspension pulls front wheel up.


In longer form:
I had a problem because each time I have changed the direction the bike was jumping like a ball. The biggest problem was in chicanes where I always lost seconds because I had to be very smooth and slow not to loose front end. In real life I would set rebound damping to higher to avoid too fast decompression that will cause instability in corners or even give softer spring. But here there is no such option. One of the solutions I found is to slightly brake in turns, when changing direction and to set smooth release to maximum. But for me its temporal solution. Ok I know that in real life racers move body weight to upright position as last thing to avoid suspension decompression and grip changes. But here it happens too fast. As seen in video posted above each turn gives significant changes to suspension.

Suggested solution:
Fix the compression and rebound damping
Returning to upright position should be affected by speed and bike setting. At this moment no matter if I ride 300 kph or 50 kph the bike leans and goes upright with the same speed. Wheelbase has no affect in this matter. 

Please add stands section and leather paints.

I remember great game called The Cycles made by Accolade.
https://youtu.be/0QbCR3b56CI

Nowadays this looks ugly but back than when I was young it was something special. Then I had a long brake with motorcycle games until I bought Redline Racer:
https://youtu.be/WYwdxsxr4pU

My next game was MotoGP3 URT it was mind blowing and spend so many time playing it.

Anyway over those years I have a feeling that developers find it hard to balance the games. Most of them are very inaccurate. GP Bikes are the first game where I found all I need...

Wow! In which country such names are given? I though that Spain has the longest names

Ok, I have done some more testing and I have one big issue. Rebound damping just does not exist. The lighter the bike the more it jumps, and nothing blocks the rebounding suspension.
For me it looks like weight / rebound issue that is mainly exposed when playing on the pad that allows fast direction changes and gives the element of instability.

I have done these tests:
GP500 bike with highest number of rebound and when pressed the front brake the front goes back fast to its initial position
GP Rookies bike - here the problem was the biggest as the light bike jumps like crazy. Almost each direction change caused the front to jump up loosing grip.
Triumph Daytona - same issue as above.

People who play using steering wheel might not notice this problem, as they can turn very smooth.

I'm a suspension/bike setup junkie if I can call it this way. Still I need to learn a lot about it  but I am also happy that there is more ppl who think the same way as I do.

I have been testing some set ups and it seems like suspension setup has very little effect.
As for now what I have noticed is:
bump damping - lower number gives more damping
rebound damping - higher number gives more damping
springs stiffness - no effect at all or almost invisible ?

Honestly I can't notice any bigger difference between suspension setups. I set the bike up with suspension telemetry and no matter how stiff I set the suspension almost every time the diagram shows an exclamation mark that the suspension compresses too much... is it just my feeling ?

Tosteetos , well said. I am a new person here but really feel like I wish that GP Bikes could reach another level. This platform is fantastic and I don't want to play anything else at this moment.

MaxHUD might help you as there is a telemetry which shows how the suspension works.