Valentino Rossi The Game - MILESTONE

[JamoZ]

A game should be rated on it`s default state and not after applying 3rd party mods which are created with random variables and/or personal tastes.

In the case of GP Bikes, a few modded bikes actually use more realistic and better tuned physics data 

Is this ironic ?

I reckon PiBoSo would add more realistic data if he would have acces to it. But i don`t think the exact values of the ingame RCV211 or 500`s are public?

[JamoZ]

I wonder what happened to the sound of these milestone games over the years. MotoGP 08 had some decent sounds to it, Motogp 15 & the Vale game really have some of the worst engine sounds i`ve ever heard in a game 

[PiBoSo]

A game should be rated on it`s default state and not after applying 3rd party mods which are created with random variables and/or personal tastes.

I applaud your effort to mod a crap game like this, but why bother? It`s like creating mods for pCARS...noone really cares...

Sorry, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I have both Assetto Corsa and Project Cars. I even have rFactor 2, and WRS by Piboso. I've experienced enough sim racing, plus hard driving with my own car to know the difference. The vast majority of people saying "Project Cars isn't a sim" are fanboy morons who don't know anything in the slightest about vehicle dynamics and simulation.

Assetto Corsa's chassis simulation is unrealistically stiff, and the tyre-model as well is inferior to Project Cars'. Notice how much "on rails" Assetto Corsa seems to be, even in videos. The car is as stiff as a fucking board. When playing it, it's worse.

Project Cars' suspension dynamics and tyre-model adhesion mechanics are far superior to what games like AC or iRacing offer. The body roll, the transfer of weight from one direction to another, the grip levels, etc. are all modelled more realistically in Project Cars.

Overall, Project Cars is by far the better simulation. Assetto Corsa and iRacing do not even support rain. Why? *Their physics models are incapable of simulating the effect of rain on a vehicle.*

99.99% of AC/iR/rF2 fanboys, don't know what in the fuck they are talking about.

I mean, the rate at which the games' physics engines output data is as well a very telling fact. iRacing's physics engine ticks at 360Hz. That's only slightly faster than Assetto Corsa's 333Hz. rFactor 2 is second best, at 400Hz. Project Cars' physics simulation refreshes at a considerable 600Hz. Far higher than the aforementioned games. Project Cars' physics engine is a far more accurate model.

Also: For some reason, videogame fanboys are all so *incredibly stupid*, they think FFB and physics are the same thing, and when they try Project Cars, they don't bother to set it up. It boggles my mind how someone can be so unintelligent as to think FFB and physics are the same thing. On top of that, these fanboys fail to set FFB up. You cannot FAIL to set up the force feedback settings, and then use the resulting lack of feedback to judge realism. That's something videogame fanboys need to stop doing. How in the fuck can you jump into a simulator, and then fail to set things up, and then subsequently blame anything but yourself for the lack of immersion.

FFB is not an abstraction of physics. If that was the case, then many real-world vehicles which give poor feedback via the steering wheel would be "unrealistic": A nonsensical concept. The fact that FFB can be dependent on physics simulation DOES NOT MEAN its an abstraction of physics simulation. That's why you tune FFB in a game/sim, instead of tuning the physics. They are not the same thing, and cannot, to any reasonable extent, be interchangeable metrics for realism. FFB is FFB. You can't judge physics from FFB.

In terms of physics simulation and realism, Project Cars is certainly on top. Second to that, is rFactor 2. iRacing might come third, but Assetto Corsa is definitely inferior to both Project Cars and rFactor 2.

You need to understand that the internet is filled with a large number immensely stupid and ignorant people. People who not only know nothing about the things they type, but are also far too unintelligent to be able to effectively comprehend the subject matters. They go around posting nonsense and trash about things like Project Cars because they want to be part of the movement of morons who go around trumpeting the same thing.

I know it comes across funny due to the cursing, but it's not hate. It simply disgusts me to see the kind of nonsense people are posting online. I mean, when I first started playing games like rFactor 2, I began coming across all these hate measeges against Project Cars. I thought "Woah, Project Cars must be a terrible arcade game". But then I actually tried it out, and was blown the fuck away by the handling model. It was, very, very good as a first impression. I just couldn't make sense of all the hate and bashing people were giving to Project Cars. After actually conversing with these people who bash the game, I started to realise they were a bunch of moronic fanboys. People who, for one reason or another dedicated their lives to hating another sim. As stated, 99.9% of them knew absolutely nothing about vehicular dynamics and simulation. They couldn't rate a physics engine to save their lives. They were just bashing the sim.

Edit: Again, don't take any offence to this. It's nothing personal.

Sorry for contributing to the OT, but I have some info that could be useful in the "debate".

Thanks to what I do, I have the privilege of being in day to day contact with some real racers, that not only drive, but bring to the limit anything from karts to formula cars to GT cars, in national level races. And they are also simracers.
They ALL agree ( so it cannot be a coincidence or personal preference ) that only iRacing and rFactor1 are simulators. pCars and AC are just arcade ( the cars don't react to input like a real one would at the limit ). rF2, from what I've been told, is impossible to judge because the default cars are bad, and modding is too complex, so there are no good mods for testing.

Bracing myself, AC fanboys are coming

[Blackheart]

[JamoZ]

Damn, i wish i had a pre written reply to your comment PiBoSo. I feel so hurt you`re calling one of my favorite racegames arcade!
I wish i was smart enough to engage in a flame war and win an argument. But i`m not.

/s

I know some games aren`t hyper realistic simulators. But if they are enjoyable for you, who cares? I`m one of the people who would like to see GP bikes sacrifice some of it`s realism in favor of playability. I reckon Kunos did the same, as did SMS with pCARS. Maybe ISI did not with RF2, and it shows in playerbase. It`s a ghosttown online, and to be fair it could learn a lesson or 2 from the competition in how user friendly the game is. Making a 100% true to life sim would see even most of simracing fanboys pulling out their hair with frustration, as does 90% of the people trying something as realistic as the DCS games. At the end of the day they are all companies trying to earn a living....

[JamoZ]

[Urban Chaos 2.0]

Sorry for contributing to the OT, but I have some info that could be useful in the "debate".

Thanks for what I do, I have the privilege of being in day to day contact with some real racers, that not only drive, but bring to the limit anything from karts to formula cars to GT cars, in national level races. And they are also simracers.
They ALL agree ( so it cannot be a coincidence or personal preference ) that only iRacing and rFactor1 are simulators. pCars and AC are just arcade ( the cars don't react to input like a real one would at the limit ). rF2, from what I've been told, is impossible to judge because the default cars are bad, and modding is too complex, so there are no good mods for testing.

Bracing myself, AC fanboys are coming

The Assetto Corsa fanboys are the definition of fanboy, but I suspect they won't bother us here. Now, with regard to the opinions of your friends: I disagree. If there was any legitimacy to their accusations it would be present in their input. Your claim that they called Assetto Corsa and Project Cars "arcade" is quite odd. Either your friends are not very understanding of the English language, or you have somewhat butchered their words. Of course, having spent some time on the internet, I have seen fanboyism from all ages and backgrounds, so I would not be surprised if they actually said that. Perhaps ask some of them to message you about it, or join the discussion. Otherwise, the claim that "Project Cars is an arcade game" is as nonsensical as the claim that "Assetto Corsa is better than rFactor2". Both of which, are statements only made by Assetto Corsa fans.

[doubledragoncc]

+1000 Piboso

As a tech that has not only worked on high end street cars but also for teams like Alex Job Racing I would never say the cars that I have driven IRL are correctly represented in most sims/games. A lot is also the kind of control system you are using and whether it is set up correctly or not.

I love pCars for the graphics and feeling of fun in it NOT because it feels real as it is far from it with certain cars I know from IRL.

It is the same for any bike game and NONE fell anything like reality so they are pure GAME/ARCADE. VR the game is very sloppy in its input system as are all MS games.

ONLY GPB allows more than gamepads for controls and has some adjustment at least, although I would like to see far more adjustability for controllers and on the fly FOV would save going in and out of the menu 100 times lol.

VRTG is just another MS bike game but it at least has more content than before and the graphics dont kill my eyes like the stuttering screens before even at higher FPS.

DD

[PiBoSo]

Sorry for contributing to the OT, but I have some info that could be useful in the "debate".

Thanks for what I do, I have the privilege of being in day to day contact with some real racers, that not only drive, but bring to the limit anything from karts to formula cars to GT cars, in national level races. And they are also simracers.
They ALL agree ( so it cannot be a coincidence or personal preference ) that only iRacing and rFactor1 are simulators. pCars and AC are just arcade ( the cars don't react to input like a real one would at the limit ). rF2, from what I've been told, is impossible to judge because the default cars are bad, and modding is too complex, so there are no good mods for testing.

Bracing myself, AC fanboys are coming

The Assetto Corsa fanboys are the definition of fanboy, but I suspect they won't bother us here. Now, with regard to the opinions of your friends: I disagree. If there was any legitimacy to their accusations it would be present in their input. Your claim that they called Assetto Corsa and Project Cars "arcade" is quite odd. Either your friends are not very understanding of the English language, or you have somewhat butchered their words. Of course, having spent some time on the internet, I have seen fanboyism from all ages and backgrounds, so I would not be surprised if they actually said that. Perhaps ask some of them to message you about it, or join the discussion. Otherwise, the claim that "Project Cars is an arcade game" is as nonsensical as the claim that "Assetto Corsa is better than rFactor2". Both of which, are statements only made by Assetto Corsa fans.

Actually, a rather colorful language has been used in private chats to describe pCars
Both pCars and AC are arcade games, deal with it...
As Jamoz pointed out, those are games made to make a lot of money, and hardcore simulators don't sell. And this applies to VR the game, too ( back in topic!  ).

[Urban Chaos 2.0]

Hahaha, Piboso I don't give a fuck about one game over the other for sentimental purposes. I care about which is the best. If Assetto Corsa was the best, I'd prefer that. If iRacing was the best, I'd prefer that. If rFactor was the best, I'd prefer that. It just so happens that Project Cars is the best. Not because I wish that, but because it is. A game is a game, and I have no reason to prefer giving one group of people my money in the stead of others. As a developer of a simulation like GP Bikes, I don't expect something so silly to come from you? Perhaps look up "simulation", and then look up "arcade". It is possible you do not know what those words mean. I'm being serious, haha. Don't think I'm insulting you. Lol, I think you are the one from whom everyone should feel the threat of fanboyism.

[Blackheart]

... Here there arent "fanboys"  the average age here is over 30 

PC its an Arcade but I do not see what the problem 

[Urban Chaos 2.0]

... Here there arent "fanboys"  the average age here is over 30 

PC its an Arcade but I do not see what the problem 

The average age being 30, is not an attribute I would be proud of, considering the depth and scope of the discussions present on this forum. It certainly is not something I would be proud of, if it meant those were the ages of grown-ass-men who adhere so fanboyishly to a bunch video games.

[JamoZ]

Oh the irony 

[Urban Chaos 2.0]

Oh, and here's the video demonstrating how superior MotoGP14 with the physics mod is, to the base game and to MotoGP15 as well as this new VR game.


https://www.youtube.com/v/N9XQ_cPTtqA

[doubledragoncc]

UC2.............. I am 52 and think I have a slight more of an adult attitude that you my son.

You have basically turned what was a normal thread into one where YOU act like you know it all and insult everyone for having their own opinion.

Why not comment on the actual topic and let us have our own opinions without some whipper snapper mouthing off attitude to every post.

DD