Hi Guys!
Does anyone know if "TrackIR5" works with GP Bikes? I've turned on tracking in the setting but it doesn't work.
I presume the "Tracking" setting in GP Bikes is for head tracking while riding via a device ie, webcam(Face Tracking), or for "Tracking"an infa red device such as "TrackIR5"?
Any ideas why it's not working?
Quote from: Hawk_UK on November 09, 2013, 09:41:54 PM
Hi Guys!
Does anyone know if "TrackIR5" works with GP Bikes? I've turned on tracking in the setting but it doesn't work.
I presume the "Tracking" setting in GP Bikes is for head tracking while riding via a device ie, webcam(Face Tracking), or for "Tracking"an infa red device such as "TrackIR5"?
Any ideas why it's not working?
"Tracking" uses FreeTrack only.
It should be possible to use TrackIR using mouse emulation.
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 09, 2013, 09:59:40 PM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on November 09, 2013, 09:41:54 PM
Hi Guys!
Does anyone know if "TrackIR5" works with GP Bikes? I've turned on tracking in the setting but it doesn't work.
I presume the "Tracking" setting in GP Bikes is for head tracking while riding via a device ie, webcam(Face Tracking), or for "Tracking"an infa red device such as "TrackIR5"?
Any ideas why it's not working?
"Tracking" uses FreeTrack only.
It should be possible to use TrackIR using mouse emulation.
Hi Piboso. Thanks for the quick reply.
Mouse Emulation? How do I set that? I presume you don't mean the "Mouse Look" option? I've tried all options for the "Tracking" settings, none work on TrackIR5.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks :)
i was sick after trying it myself :)
Using the Mouse Emulation utility
Overview
The TrackIR software has been optimized to provide you with the best experience possible, it gives you a simple, yet powerful and highly customizable way to use TrackIR device for in-game view control. Some games however, do not have TrackIR support built in and this is where mouse emulation can be used.
The TIRMouse program provides very basic features and partially relies upon the main TrackIR software application to provide additional customization capability. This program allows you to use the TrackIR in a game that is not TrackIR enhanced.
You can select any of the TrackIR 6DOF axes to control the X and Y mouse emulation movement. You can enable auto panning for the X mouse movement which will continuously send mouse movement commands while in the auto-pan range.
X Axis
You can assign various axes used by the TrackIR here. By default this is normally 'Yaw'.
Y Axis
You can assign various axes used by the TrackIR here. By default this is normally 'Pitch'.
X Axis Auto Panning
When in the auto-panning zone it will continuously send movement commands. This allows a person to turn slightly and have the view keep moving. A good example would be in strategy games in which you move the cursor to the edge of the screen and the movement keeps panning in that direction until you move away from the edge.
Using Mouse Emulation in Games
The basics are as follows:
- Load the TrackIR software.
- Load the TIRMouse.EXE file that is located in your TrackIR installation folder. C:\Program Files\NaturalPoint\TrackIR for example.
- Load the game you wish to use and be sure to have the mouse look option enabled within the game. With mouse look turned on you should be able to use the TrackIR now.
NOTE: Some games may not have a mouse look option!
Isn't it possible to use Freetrack with Trackir5? I know that the Freetrack Developer had to put Out a Patch Version of V2.2 to remove the TrackIr Support, but i assume that the Support is still present with V2.2? I did not tried it due to a lack of Time...
Quote from: PeterV on November 10, 2013, 08:07:54 AM
i was sick after trying it myself :)
Using the Mouse Emulation utility
Overview
The TrackIR software has been optimized to provide you with the best experience possible, it gives you a simple, yet powerful and highly customizable way to use TrackIR device for in-game view control. Some games however, do not have TrackIR support built in and this is where mouse emulation can be used.
The TIRMouse program provides very basic features and partially relies upon the main TrackIR software application to provide additional customization capability. This program allows you to use the TrackIR in a game that is not TrackIR enhanced.
You can select any of the TrackIR 6DOF axes to control the X and Y mouse emulation movement. You can enable auto panning for the X mouse movement which will continuously send mouse movement commands while in the auto-pan range.
X Axis
You can assign various axes used by the TrackIR here. By default this is normally 'Yaw'.
Y Axis
You can assign various axes used by the TrackIR here. By default this is normally 'Pitch'.
X Axis Auto Panning
When in the auto-panning zone it will continuously send movement commands. This allows a person to turn slightly and have the view keep moving. A good example would be in strategy games in which you move the cursor to the edge of the screen and the movement keeps panning in that direction until you move away from the edge.
Using Mouse Emulation in Games
The basics are as follows:
- Load the TrackIR software.
- Load the TIRMouse.EXE file that is located in your TrackIR installation folder. C:\Program Files\NaturalPoint\TrackIR for example.
- Load the game you wish to use and be sure to have the mouse look option enabled within the game. With mouse look turned on you should be able to use the TrackIR now.
NOTE: Some games may not have a mouse look option!
Hi Peter.
This has been a great help! I've actually got IR5 working on the Mouse emulation. I didn't know such a facility existed in the IR5 folder until you pointed it out here. Thanks for this, mate! ;D
I must admit though, I'm not impressed at all with the use of tracking with GP Bikes on a single monitor screen PC setup(More suitable for a proper simulator rig setup, I guess?); I thought I'd be able to look ahead round the corners to the apexes and be able to bring the bike around the corners through feel and judgement..... But one vital thing missing for this to work properly is, the sensory inputs from other parts of the body to judge were the bike is underneath you in relation to were your looking..... Well I don't know if it's a case of practice makes perfect but, for me personally, it just feels impossible to keep track of the bike underneath you while your also looking ahead around the next corner.... All your judgment gets messed up because you have no frame of reference of what the bike is doing once it's out of visual frame.
Basically unless you have a real bike set up on some kind of simulator rig operating GP Bikes( or maybe a multi-monitor setup on a PC), then all the sensory inputs you need to ride well in this mode just don't exist.
How did you get on in this mode, Peter? You mentioned being sick after trying this.... Was this the all at sea effect.... I'm beginning to feel a little "Queezy" right now. LOL
It would be interesting to hear from others who have also tried this mode and how they got on with this? But for now I think I'm going to go back to my normal operating mode before I throw up! :P
Again... "Thanks for the post, Peter..... It was just what I needed to get this working and try this out for myself" 8) ;D
Quote from: Hawk_UK on November 10, 2013, 11:04:58 AM
How did you get on in this mode, Peter? You mentioned being sick after trying this.... Was this the all at sea effect.... I'm beginning to feel a little "Queezy" right now. LOL
I just tried it like for 30 min. but it didn't feel right to mee. (not including the sickness feeling).
Ill stay with the 3th and 1st person view for now.
Quote from: PeterV on November 11, 2013, 07:17:22 AM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on November 10, 2013, 11:04:58 AM
How did you get on in this mode, Peter? You mentioned being sick after trying this.... Was this the all at sea effect.... I'm beginning to feel a little "Queezy" right now. LOL
I just tried it like for 30 min. but it didn't feel right to mee. (not including the sickness feeling).
Ill stay with the 3th and 1st person view for now.
I agree absolutely with what your saying there, Peter.... Just didn't feel right at all(for me personally); I'm going to stick to my normal mode, too ;)
Quote from: C21 on November 10, 2013, 09:11:10 AM
Isn't it possible to use Freetrack with Trackir5? I know that the Freetrack Developer had to put Out a Patch Version of V2.2 to remove the TrackIr Support, but i assume that the Support is still present with V2.2? I did not tried it due to a lack of Time...
You know, C21.... I really haven't a clue whether it's possible to do that... Maybe some of the other guys here could enlighten us on that question.
I'd still like to give TrackIR 5 a try. :) But I don't have one. lol
@HAwk
I will give it a try if i find the time to test it.
i´m really interested if it will work or not.
Maybe i will try it over the weekend but i can´t promise.
hi guys
an old thread, but as my questions pertain to tracking, i figured better here than a new thread.
okay, so i've been trying to get my trackir 5 to work, tried every setting i can think of, but yet there is no tracking of any sort going on in my game.
what am i missing here? is trackir not supported? if not, what setup are guys using that works?
no matter what combination of tracking, facetracking, mouselook i use, i simply have nothing but the fixed view ingame.
any ideas?
thanks in advance for an assist... :)
okay, so another instance of 'found the answer straight after posting' lol
i missed the advice from the early part of this thread, and got it working now.
just one little snag atm, i only have response in the up/down movement ( y axis?)
can't seem to get any left/right response (x?)
anyone who can advise me as to what setting i should be looking for to sort this? up/down is all good and well, but i'd much prefer left/right....
edit - never mind, realised my mistake (again, after posting, lol - all working great now, cheers :D
TrackIR is not supported in gpbikes and due to naturalpoints stance on exclusivity it probably never will.
Using the search term 'trackir' will give you a few days good reading which is probably a shorter period than flogging-the-dead-horse-to -get-it-working-PROPERLY-only-to-realise-it-wont, will take.
Another good search term is the recent threads about head tracking experiments- ed tracker
However, a fresh set of skills like yours looking into track ir might provide a revelation! So I will follow with interest.
As a fellow flight sim /track ir fan I'm just as disappointed as you probably are but we'll all be wearing headsets soon - our search for reality will make us lose sight of reality. Poetic huh ;)
Nick, i followed PeterV's advice (4th post in this thread) and got it working pretty easily with the TiRmouse feature, now just figuring out how to adjust the tracking to be a bit smoother.
i'll be sure to let you know if i discover anything, meanwhile at least it does with TiR 5, so i didn't spend good money on it for nothing.
i've been reading up on EDtracker which also looks pretty promising, and i'll definitely consider that as an alternative.
will probably get my brother, who's in Glasgow, bring me some of the goodies when he comes to visit again - the postal service in my country has unfortunately gone to the dogs, not much of what i order from overseas ever arrives....
my next set of upcoming questions will concern controller settings, as i'm really struggling to come to grips with the gamepad, still doing better laps with keyboard, lol - anyway, i'll soon start a new thread for that, as there'll be enough questions to warrant its own thread, for sure ;D
Good the main problem was the drifting off centre I seem to remember reading?
Quote from: TheCapeDoctor on June 19, 2015, 03:42:07 PM
Nick, i followed PeterV's advice (4th post in this thread) and got it working pretty easily with the TiRmouse feature, now just figuring out how to adjust the tracking to be a bit smoother.
i'll be sure to let you know if i discover anything, meanwhile at least it does with TiR 5, so i didn't spend good money on it for nothing.
i've been reading up on EDtracker which also looks pretty promising, and i'll definitely consider that as an alternative.
will probably get my brother, who's in Glasgow, bring me some of the goodies when he comes to visit again - the postal service in my country has unfortunately gone to the dogs, not much of what i order from overseas ever arrives....
my next set of upcoming questions will concern controller settings, as i'm really struggling to come to grips with the gamepad, still doing better laps with keyboard, lol - anyway, i'll soon start a new thread for that, as there'll be enough questions to warrant its own thread, for sure ;D
This sounds very much like it describes my recent adventures :D Many threads, but the conclusion was that some (low end) gamepads can produce unusual behavior in GPB, a quality pad transforms play quality.
The problem i found with mouse emulation (opentrack version anyway) was the lack of true absolute tracking values. A mouse device (and its driver) has no fixed origins and its down to the translation software to resolve this problem. After a bit of play time the straight ahead value would need resetting even though the tracker itself was not drifting.
The addition of support for EDTracker in B7 will help because this moves the view control to a standard joystick mode support so then tracker to joystick emulation becomes possible for TiR5 (vJoy) which is more game orientated and well supported.
Highly recommended EDTracker for GPB if you can find a way to get one complete or make one from parts available locally, works perfectly :) The Frontier forums might reveal someone locally who could help source the 2 boards you need.
well, o got myself what i think is a pretty decent gamepad, a Logitech F310, no problems with the actual controls itself, and i can see that if i can master it i should be getting better lap results.
the problem is on my end - after being a confirmed keyboard maestro for going on 3 decades now, i simply find the whole gamepad thing not really suited to my style.
one of the key issues is that my hands are too close together, and doing one input invariably affects another.
with the keyboard, my hands are perfectly spaced apart, and my normal setup is much like the original Geoff Crammond Grand Peix games, A/Z for accelerate/front brake, S/X for rider F/B(although this, as i've noted from another thread, doesn't seem to be working correctly), and the ,. (comma,period) keys for left/right lean. Spacebar for rear brake.
this setup has served me well over the years, and some of the other sims i've played like Richard Burns Rally, rFactor, Race07 series, usually yield much better results than even my G25 wheel. most recently, another sim called Assetto Corsa, also gives me great results via keyboard.
with GPB, however, things come apart rapidly, most specifically in the braking and leaning department.
it's as if i need completely different input settings for each different bike/category.
what works quite well for one bike, is a complete balls-up with another. i guess this is part of the learning curve, and quite possibly i should be looking at multiple profiles to solve this issue.
anyhoo, testing continues.... ;D
It sounds like we have (had) similar issues moving from the 'classic' PC keyboard setup to gamepads.
I always wondered if an 'arcade' type joystick setup would suit some people better, a proper table top box with a real 'stick' and buttons rather than hand held. Something like the old arcade Defender arrangement.
Quote from: TheCapeDoctor on June 20, 2015, 04:49:13 AM
well, o got myself what i think is a pretty decent gamepad, a Logitech F310, no problems with the actual controls itself, and i can see that if i can master it i should be getting better lap results.
the problem is on my end - after being a confirmed keyboard maestro for going on 3 decades now, i simply find the whole gamepad thing not really suited to my style.
one of the key issues is that my hands are too close together, and doing one input invariably affects another.
with the keyboard, my hands are perfectly spaced apart, and my normal setup is much like the original Geoff Crammond Grand Peix games, A/Z for accelerate/front brake, S/X for rider F/B(although this, as i've noted from another thread, doesn't seem to be working correctly), and the ,. (comma,period) keys for left/right lean. Spacebar for rear brake.
this setup has served me well over the years, and some of the other sims i've played like Richard Burns Rally, rFactor, Race07 series, usually yield much better results than even my G25 wheel. most recently, another sim called Assetto Corsa, also gives me great results via keyboard.
with GPB, however, things come apart rapidly, most specifically in the braking and leaning department.
it's as if i need completely different input settings for each different bike/category.
what works quite well for one bike, is a complete balls-up with another. i guess this is part of the learning curve, and quite possibly i should be looking at multiple profiles to solve this issue.
anyhoo, testing continues.... ;D
It's just practice, practice, and then more practice and then after about two weeks everything will start to come together(if you practice enough) and feel natural to you. ;)
If you have a G25 wheel then you must have foot pedals?
You can use your foot pedals together with your gamepad to give what might feel to you(and myself because I do this) a more natural way to control the manual gear changing.
With keyboard inputs it's all or nothing(on or off) and you can never get the analogue progressive control that is vital to control the leaning, throttle, brakes and clutch with GPB. So forget controlling your bike in GPB with a keyboard.
Sounds like your going through the
GPB Growing Pains .... But stick with it and you'll get there mate. ;D 8)
Hawk.
PS:
I use a Joystick set-up together with my steering wheel foot-pedals I use to change gears - left pedal to change down, right pedal to change up gears. Personally I find leaning a joystick feels very natural to me in leaning the bike(100% direct steer setting) than using a stick on a gamepad. :)
hmm...sounds like a plan, i'll try setting up my pedals, although currently i have auto-gearing set, but i find for several bikes that it doesn't seem to work well, and i have to manually change gears, otherwise some bikes seem to just sit in a gear, and never change up until it's waaaay too late, lol....
Quote from: TheCapeDoctor on June 20, 2015, 12:31:47 PM
hmm...sounds like a plan, i'll try setting up my pedals, although currently i have auto-gearing set, but i find for several bikes that it doesn't seem to work well, and i have to manually change gears, otherwise some bikes seem to just sit in a gear, and never change up until it's waaaay too late, lol....
Auto gears is very hit and miss and as i found best avoided. Downshifting can be especially bad for some mod bikes causing the bad to lock up on corner entry.
+1 on direct steer, i'm up to about 70% and found that helped a lot.
Quote from: h106frp on June 20, 2015, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: TheCapeDoctor on June 20, 2015, 12:31:47 PM
hmm...sounds like a plan, i'll try setting up my pedals, although currently i have auto-gearing set, but i find for several bikes that it doesn't seem to work well, and i have to manually change gears, otherwise some bikes seem to just sit in a gear, and never change up until it's waaaay too late, lol....
Auto gears is very hit and miss and as i found best avoided. Downshifting can be especially bad for some mod bikes causing the bad to lock up on corner entry.
+1 on direct steer, I'm up to about 70% and found that helped a lot.
@CapeDoctor: You can adjust your gearing ratio's in the Garage to give you better gear change patterns depending on which track your using. ;)
@H: Rear wheel lock-up when changing down gears is a 4 stroke characteristic due to engine braking. Adjust the engine brake setting to greatly reduce this effect if you prefer. :)
Hawk.
Quote from: Hawk UK on June 20, 2015, 02:01:16 PM
Quote from: h106frp on June 20, 2015, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: TheCapeDoctor on June 20, 2015, 12:31:47 PM
hmm...sounds like a plan, i'll try setting up my pedals, although currently i have auto-gearing set, but i find for several bikes that it doesn't seem to work well, and i have to manually change gears, otherwise some bikes seem to just sit in a gear, and never change up until it's waaaay too late, lol....
Auto gears is very hit and miss and as i found best avoided. Downshifting can be especially bad for some mod bikes causing the bad to lock up on corner entry.
+1 on direct steer, I'm up to about 70% and found that helped a lot.
@CapeDoctor: You can adjust your gearing ratio's in the Garage to give you better gear change patterns depending on which track your using. ;)
@H: Rear wheel lock-up when changing down gears is a 4 stroke characteristic due to engine braking. Adjust the engine brake setting to greatly reduce this effect if you prefer. :)
Hawk.
Made the switch to manual gears and its now much better. Not so much the engine braking problem as the way the auto box can dump gears when you do not want it to. Rolling in to a high speed corner it seems to sense the low throttle opening and start downshifting leaving it engaging the clutch in first whilst you doing 70+ leaned over :(