Due to the release of beta 15 there have to be a few settings updated in most modded bikes, and so far there's only a few that have had the updates done 'officially', leaving it up to us to figure out some values.
The main one I've found to get bikes working In b15 is the 'Disengage Max Torque' setting in the bikes cfg file, which once setup right allows the bike to be run in b15/b15b
This can be troublesome, as different people will use different values, and thus create a mod mismatch and incompatibility with other users, which is fine for offline play but wouldn't work online.
What this topic is intended to be, is sort of like a file reference of recommended values for most of the bikes, where people can post the edited values and then we can sort of get a standardised value for most mods/bikes out there.
Some people already have posted updates to their mods, and there are some servers up with their recommended settings, however I don't personally think thats' ideal. (I don't think this is ideal either but it seemed an easier all encompassing solution)
I did do a bit of testing for the update to the WSBK pack, and I found a few things regarding riding style that can affect what values are used.
(For instance, on the MGP18 bikes and the WSBK pack, I have a tendency to run little to no electronic aids, and slide the bike considerably more than others seem to in videos and online, thus skipping the gears as the torque settings have changed)
The values that work for me are below
Feel free to post other bikes settings if you've tested them.
I'll try and add a new bikes value every other day.
GP250 Pack: No change
This still skips on the upshifts, and I've left this intentionally, as these bikes didn't, (to my knowledge) have quick-shifters and thus required a clutch and shutting the throttle on gear-changes, which previously, even without aids, didn't seem to be represented. With the default setting shutting the throttle on upshifts is required, unless the aids such as 'shift help' and 'automatic clutch' are switched on, which is how it should be IMO.
Feel free to disagree and post some different 'fixed' settings below. :)
MotoGP 18 Pack: DMT 600
There was a server up with the DMT settings at 400, and for the most part, this value works great. However, as I said in the original post, I tend to slide the bike more and this setting did not allow that. 600 works fine sliding, and from my testing if you somehow manage to skip a shift through a slide on this value, your immediate concern would be which ambulance to use as you've had a lovely little highside
SSP 2012 Pack: DMT 200
This may change as I've not tested all the bikes, and the 749 ducati's big vtwin seems to be a little different
300 correct values
UPDATED 18/03/2019 - 749 skipped some gears on Mugello, correct value for pack now 300
UPDATED 23/09/2019 - Triumph 675 Daytona Value now 350
WSBK 17 + 18, and the SSP300 bikes have already been updated and work fine. :)
(Props to IMT and Blackheart for getting their mods sorted quickly) :)
WSSP 2018: DMT 340
This value seems to work fine on all the 2018 SSP bikes
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on March 12, 2019, 06:43:24 PM
GP250 Pack: No change
This still skips on the upshifts, and I've left this intentionally, as these bikes didn't, (to my knowledge) have quick-shifters and thus required a clutch and shutting the throttle on gear-changes, which previously, even without aids, didn't seem to be represented. With the default setting shutting the throttle on upshifts is required, unless the aids such as 'shift help' and 'automatic clutch' are switched on, which is how it should be IMO.
Feel free to disagree and post some different 'fixed' settings below. :)
GP250 it's necessary to update too, i tried with the double of valor and works fine
Quote from: javiliyors on March 12, 2019, 06:51:41 PMQuote from: Myst1cPrun3 on March 12, 2019, 06:43:24 PMGP250 Pack: No change
This still skips on the upshifts, and I've left this intentionally, as these bikes didn't, (to my knowledge) have quick-shifters and thus required a clutch and shutting the throttle on gear-changes, which previously, even without aids, didn't seem to be represented. With the default setting shutting the throttle on upshifts is required, unless the aids such as 'shift help' and 'automatic clutch' are switched on, which is how it should be IMO.
Feel free to disagree and post some different 'fixed' settings below. :)
GP250 it's necessary to update too, i tried with the double of valor and works fine
GP 250 is not recommended for a change, as changing it makes the shifting un-realistic. This is a simulator after all, not arcade like milestone. Should be 1:1 as much as possible.
No lift recommended DMT: Still 200
2T 350 (Both models): DMT 300
2005 Honda CBR600RR cup: DMT 300
UDPATED 18/03/2019:
This bike is not equipped with a quickshifter, so to simulate this effect use DMT 200.
To remove the need to lift on the upshifts use DMT 300
Yamaha R6 Cup: DMT 300
I cant for the damn life of me find where the hell the disengagemaxtorque setting is and its pissing me off so much lol.
If you go into the bike install folder, and then find the cfg file with the same name as the bike folder, you can ctrl + f to find it in notepad.
Program files x86 > Gp Bikes > gpbikes > bikes > example bike > example bike.cfg
WSBK 2015 Pack: DMT 675
Hi.
Bit of a noob question but how do I do if I want to make a note in the config file, for example keeping the original value for the Max Torque Setting, and at the same time get GP Bikes to only acknowledge the new value. Can I just add a line like:
[Org value 200]. Will the brackets make GPB ignore the line or do I have to use some other character?
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Quote from: davidboda46 on March 16, 2019, 11:37:53 PM
Hi.
Bit of a noob question but how do I do if I want to make a note in the config file, for example keeping the original value for the Max Torque Setting, and at the same time get GP Bikes to only acknowledge the new value. Can I just add a line like:
[Org value 200]. Will the brackets make GPB ignore the line or do I have to use some other character?
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Add ; after the parameter
DisengageMaxTorque = 100 ;original value 110
In this way:
DisengageMaxTorque = 300 ;100
Where 300 is the current and 100 the previous one
EDIT: me and Matty posted in the same moment lol
Quote from: Blackheart on March 16, 2019, 11:58:22 PM
EDIT: me and Matty posted in the same moment lol
Well they say Great minds think alike don't they ;)
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on March 17, 2019, 01:34:25 AM
Quote from: Blackheart on March 16, 2019, 11:58:22 PM
EDIT: me and Matty posted in the same moment lol
Well they say Great minds think alike don't they ;)
Thanks guys :)
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
18/03/2019 UPDATES:
Honda CBR600rr Cup 2005: New DMT Options with/without autoCutOff option
SSP2012 Pack: New DMT to accommodate the V-Twin 749
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on March 18, 2019, 08:32:34 PM
18/03/2019 UPDATES:
Honda CBR600rr Cup 2005: New DMT Options with/without autoCutOff option
SSP2012 Pack: New DMT to accommodate the V-Twin 749
I might have misunderstood but I can't find the mentioned updates.
On another note, tried 600 DMT setting on the Yamaha MotoGP17 (I prefer the 17 ahead of the 18 pack), so I would guess that it works on the rest of the 17 MotoGP bikes as well.
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on March 12, 2019, 08:49:55 PM
2005 Honda CBR600RR cup: DMT 300
UDPATED 18/03/2019:
This bike is not equipped with a quickshifter, so to simulate this effect use DMT 200.
To remove the need to lift on the upshifts use DMT 300
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on March 12, 2019, 06:47:17 PM
SSP 2012 Pack: 200
This may change as I've not tested all the bikes, and the 749 ducati's big vtwin seems to be a little different
300 correct values
UPDATED 18/03/2019 - 749 skipped some gears on Mugello, correct value for pack now 300
Quote from: davidboda46 on March 21, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on March 18, 2019, 08:32:34 PM
18/03/2019 UPDATES:
Honda CBR600rr Cup 2005: New DMT Options with/without autoCutOff option
SSP2012 Pack: New DMT to accommodate the V-Twin 749
I might have misunderstood but I can't find the mentioned updates.
On another note, tried 600 DMT setting on the Yamaha MotoGP17 (I prefer the 17 ahead of the 18 pack), so I would guess that it works on the rest of the 17 MotoGP bikes as well.
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Here ^^
Cagiva Mito 125: DMT unchanged
GP 500 2-Strokes: (Excluding Varese as I don't have that in the Sim yet in B15) DMT: 425
Update: GP500 2-Strokes New DMT: 30/03/2019
(https://i.postimg.cc/nzmjFLVm/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-22-23-13-06-14.png) (https://postimages.org/)
GP500 Nortons: (Manx and Manx Sprint) DMT: 425
(https://i.postimg.cc/V6XvyH4B/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-22-23-21-29-92.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Kawasaki Ninja H2R: DMT 550
(https://i.postimg.cc/2jKkcYzR/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-22-23-43-42-34.png) (https://postimages.org/)
SUTER MMX 500: DMT 500
(https://i.postimg.cc/pL4PWbGb/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-22-23-57-07-28.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Moto2 2013 Pack: DMT 200
(https://i.postimg.cc/rw0vZs16/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-23-13-39-46-89.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Moto3 2013 Pack - Inc. 2014 Honda and 2014 Husqvarna: DMT 150
(https://i.postimg.cc/3r26vzKh/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-23-13-49-35-76.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Moto2 2017 Pack: DMT 550
(https://i.postimg.cc/s2cLLhN2/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-23-14-13-46-37.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Ducati GP12: DMT 600
(https://i.postimg.cc/vTQ2tHzV/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-23-14-26-34-64.png) (https://postimages.org/)
@Myst1cPrun3
How do you do When you try the new settings? Do you just enter random numbers until you find one that feels right or do you have some base idea that you use as a start value. Wondering because I'm thinking about trying to "fix" a few bikes but have no idea how to start without entering every number in the universe, and that would take a while...
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Quote from: davidboda46 on March 30, 2019, 02:06:58 PM@Myst1cPrun3
How do you do When you try the new settings? Do you just enter random numbers until you find one that feels right or do you have some base idea that you use as a start value. Wondering because I'm thinking about trying to "fix" a few bikes but have no idea how to start without entering every number in the universe, and that would take a while...
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
In general, a good base point I use is to scroll through the.cfg file and find the clutch settings, there's maximum a torque value assigned to that. I then use that as a base point, and usually add 50-100 depending on how much wheels pin and power the bike has. More wheels pin means I add more to the value if that makes sense. Of course there is a little bit of guess work and I do tend to round the numbers up to the nearest value of 50, (630 becomes 650 etc) but adding 100 to the clutch torque is a good start
Varese 594: DMT 550
UPDATE: To all the 500cc 2 strokers, I've upped their DMT to 550 to match that of the Varese. It wasn't neccessary, and doesn't make a difference to the handling of the bikes, but it just allows them to be constant across the board.
Also, the Varese and the other, older Piboso bikes, are the versions from b13, as that was the latest GPB old install file I could find, (In the track database). As far as I know there weren't any changes to these machines into b14 so it should be ok.
The GP500 Nortons' are still DMT: 425 however.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTRJFRHD/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-30-17-35-05-68.png) (https://postimg.cc/CZtwgg5f)
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on March 22, 2019, 11:26:19 PMGP 500 2-Strokes: (Excluding Varese as I don't have that in the Sim yet in B15) DMT: 425 DMT: 550
(https://i.postimg.cc/nzmjFLVm/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-22-23-13-06-14.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Murasama rc990 '03: DMT 600
(https://i.postimg.cc/SNnrWkSy/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-30-17-04-01-31.png) (https://postimg.cc/pptzvN57)
MSM 125 rr & MSM 125 rr Cup: DMT 250
Also, why does the rear shock absorber look like a minion? Or is that just me that sees that?
(https://i.postimg.cc/QN11Qbwy/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-30-17-19-27-41.png) (https://postimg.cc/CdMRYjFG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/25Sgv350/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-03-30-17-27-17-30.png) (https://postimg.cc/87xygpMv)
Hahahaha ;D brilliant
Honda CBR 900RR: DMT 400
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqvDw0kC/Base-Profile-Screenshot-2019-04-03-22-41-04-44.png) (https://postimg.cc/zL5jBzGr)
Hey Myst1cPrun3, just wanted to ask, what is the different of DMT and DST? and what are those? does DMT stand for Disengage Max Torque?
DMT is disengage max torque. DST is me not being able to spell correctly
Great work Myst1c !
And thanks to Vini who sent me to this post to find my way.
And if you don't see any problem with my proposal, i'll make a list of all this data (DMT) that you can to put in the first post in order to have a "standart" value for everybody, specially when going Online.
I'll do that tonight after killing all my clients :o (it's done and they are all dead :) )
Then second issue for me with b15 is the pilot paint issue that never come up anymore... i guess i have to dig more into the forum, cuz after a quick look, haven't found any references about it.
Thanks again !
Full listing so far
DMT value after Beta 15b (only ones that are not updated or need a tweak)
125cc / Moto3
MSM 125 rr : 250
Moto3 2013 : 150
250cc / Moto2
GP250 : 200
Moto 2 2013 : 200
Moto 2 2017 : 550
500cc / MotoGP
GP500 2T + Varese : 550
GP500 Norton : 550
Suter MMX 500 : 500
MotoGP 2018 : 600
Ducati GP12 : 600
Murasama RC990 : 600
SSP300
SSP 2012 : 300
WSSP / 600cc
WSSP 2018 : 340
Honda CBR600RR : 300
Yamaha R6 : 300
WSBK / 1000cc
WSBK 2015 : 675
Others
350cc 2T : 300
Ninja H2R : 550
CBR 900RR : 400
UPDATED THE SSP 2012 Triumph to 350 DMT - 23/07/2019
VR Aprilia RS 125 1996 DMT:220
Does anyone know what DMT is best for HONDA_RC213V-S Street Bike?
Quote from: adrmelandri on December 18, 2019, 02:34:46 PMDoes anyone know what DMT is best for HONDA_RC213V-S Street Bike?
What's the current one?
I would like to add a new DMT setting for the R6 Cup (2016, not the 2019). It works good with a DMT of 200.
try 400
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on March 12, 2019, 08:50:10 PMYamaha R6 Cup: DMT 300
There was already a value for this.... 😉
Fascinating! I must have missed this, although I did check the list... So, disregard:)