Hi all , as you know , these days , and quite from a long time lol , the online is quiet empty , but I see , many time the ressurection server with more than 5 riders , all CAWS members I think , the only problem is that the online is quite dead but you still ride in community , and worst with a password , really bad for the online guys , maybe it's for testing , but when I see the "FUN RACES" in server name I don't think
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Quote from: guigui404 on March 20, 2017, 09:07:48 PM
Hi all , as you know , these days , and quite from a long time lol , the online is quiet empty , but I see , many time the ressurection server with more than 5 riders , all CAWS members I think , the only problem is that the online is quite dead but you still ride in community , and worst with a password , really bad for the online guys , maybe it's for testing , but when I see the "FUN RACES" in server name I don't think
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Hey guigui, it is CAWS Team testing our bikes. Also the fun races are bike testing.
We are working hard to improve bikes and get them ready for relase, normally we have test races 1-2 times a week
So , upload your bike on a testing stage , it will allow everybody to participate and enjoy the online ;)
Trouble is ...that means releasing unfinished bikes and you might remember the offensive comments we got about it when we did that before.
Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 20, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
Trouble is ...that means releasing unfinished bikes and you might remember the offensive comments we got about it when we did that before.
I don't know about others , but i'm really for let everybody testing and give feedback , maybe you can do a poll no ?
But it's ok , I understand work a lot on something and get non-constructive feedback is not so enjoyable ..
but please consider this for the online :)
thanks for your answer
We did discuss this in the team GuiGui, maybe we can discuss it again :)
Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 20, 2017, 09:43:57 PM
We did discuss this in the team GuiGui, maybe we can discuss it again :)
Ok , but ask for to the community , the final decision is up to your team , but ask the community would be a good point
What gets me though.... is for a solid year every week I laid on races and got nothing but moaning every race and bitching from 'the community'.
There is nothing stopping ANYONE organising races inside this community. I am sure DD will lend one of his excellent servers if asked. No one ever seems to step up to the mark you must admit.
I don't really think this issue is a Communities choice to be honest it must be what the Core Modders in our team feel happy with.
Like what is happening now we would love to come to other peoples proper races as all we do is test bikes that involves falling off a lot and getting frustrated lol ::)
Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 20, 2017, 10:02:39 PM
What gets me though.... is for a solid year every week I laid on races and got nothing but moaning every race and bitching from 'the community'.
There is nothing stopping ANYONE organising races inside this community. I am sure DD will lend one of his excellent servers if asked. No one ever seems to step up to the mark you must admit.
I don't really think this issue is a Communities choice to be honest it must be what the Core Modders in our team feel happy with.
Like what is happening now we would love to come to other peoples proper races as all we do is test bikes that involves falling off a lot and getting frustrated lol ::)
If the only fifth personn online are on the same servers and with a pass , so imagine someone see this , he would come back to solo , or doesn't play , so don't say me it isn't impacting online please
Exactly - so why not organise some races there will probably be 50 people try to join and it will be more fun than at ours...and we would come too! :)
Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 20, 2017, 10:12:42 PM
Exactly - so why not organise some races there will probably be 50 people try to join and it will be more fun than at ours...and we would come too! :)
Stop being sarcastic keep cool , but you know it's a game , sometimes you just want to come online and play with other riders
But no problem if you don't want to consider this , the topic can be closed !
Thanks to you to have give your opinion about this
Quote from: guigui404 on March 20, 2017, 10:17:37 PM
Stop being sarcastic keep cool , but you know it's a game , sometimes you just want to come online and play with other riders
But no problem if you don't want to consider this , the topic can be closed !
Thanks to you to have give your opinion about this
Please keep calm guys, i don't think Nick is being sarcastic.
Guigui no one can blame us for online being dead m8, not fair.
Just a single post in racing subforum and you will get 20 guys there for racing, im sure.
What we do are test races for bikes ,most times faulty bikes, that people would hate and quit the race in 2nd lap after moaning for 1/2 an hour, ya know.
Is stressfull and disappointing m8, really. Apart of the problems of small updates every few days and people missing this or that version, is a mess.
Dead online is more a matter of core.exe problems and instability of the game that people has get used to for so long, and dying a little more every day.
Championships is what get the community excited and active, but doesn't seem possible yet.
Really mate I am not being sarcastic at all. 8) Try not to read it like this. It is keeping the discussion light-hearted but not sarcastic and what I say is probably true too! After all 30 people tried to enter Manus race server on race day!
As I have already said - we have ALREADY considered this and we may now consider it again too. Your point is a good one and well made (apart from the big arrow and pictures we aren't trying to hide anything here)
No need to close the topic maybe others want to chip in. Maybe you are the only one interested in it?
Also you will know that MANU has his championship and DD is about to open one too so more chance for everyone.
Quote from: Warlock on March 20, 2017, 10:25:59 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on March 20, 2017, 10:17:37 PM
Stop being sarcastic keep cool , but you know it's a game , sometimes you just want to come online and play with other riders
But no problem if you don't want to consider this , the topic can be closed !
Thanks to you to have give your opinion about this
Please keep calm guys, i don't think Nick is being sarcastic.
Guigui no one can blame us for online being dead m8, not fair.
Just a single post in racing subforum and you will get 20 guys there for racing, im sure.
What we do are test races for bikes ,most times faulty bikes, that people would hate and quit the race in 2nd lap after moaning for 1/2 an hour, ya know.
Is stressfull and disappointing m8, really. Apart of the problems of small updates every few days and people missing this or that version, is a mess.
Dead online is more a matter of core.exe problems and instability of the game that people has get used to for so long, and dying a little more every day.
Championships is what get the community excited and active, but doesn't seem possible yet.
Yeah no problem , he was when he said 50 peoples will come , but about your answer i'm ok , but if you let everybody try , you'll have many more feedback , the test phase will last many less than a basic one you already do with only your team , it's a bit disappointed because when we go online , not only me but some riders I talk to on skype , we just go on server page and see all empty , except the ressurection server of caws , i think it's better to gather than all being single on a serv or in solo
Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 20, 2017, 10:28:31 PM
As I have already said - we have ALREADY considered this and we may now consider it again too. Your point is a good one and well made (apart from the big arrow and pictures we aren't trying to hide anything here)
Yes sorry , a well illustrated topic is already better that wasn't to point out who is on server or who isn't
@guigui404
All you have to do is get some guys together and I will give you a password so you can hold races on a server I will set up for you. I am locking the max number of riders to 15 until the core problems are made better as it buggers up my servers if more riders are on them. This is not me being a dick but being practical. I have to do all the work and if a server crashes I have to be there to make sure it gets rebooted so until netcode is fixed servers will be on request when I am home only to be able to reboot them if need be.
If modders decide they wish to allow a group of people to help with testing I can also offer servers for test racing.
I am here to help but I cant read minds so you have to ask me is all.
DD
i see the same quite often.. a locked server with 5 or 6 players and a whole load of empty ones.. online race events are a nightmare most of the time so i don't bother. Would be nice to jump online and just do laps with others sometimes.. But oh yeah it's all teams and serious shit these days ;D everybody's busy testing behind the scenes on top secret projects.. ;D while the other 2% of the community sits and waits full of excitement and anticipation .. :D to be honest the gpbikes experience now seems more like a government experience.. ::) :)
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on March 20, 2017, 11:15:39 PM
i see the same quite often.. a locked server with 5 or 6 players and a whole load of empty ones.. online race events are a nightmare most of the time so i don't bother. Would be nice to jump online and just do laps with others sometimes.. But oh yeah it's all teams and serious shit these days ;D everybody's busy testing behind the scenes on top secret projects.. ;D while the other 2% of the community sits and waits full of excitement and anticipation .. :D to be honest the gpbikes experience now seems more like a government experience.. ::) :)
thanks to share your opinion bob exactly the point , just come online and chill with others , no need to organise a race just to relax on gpb
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on March 20, 2017, 11:15:39 PM
i see the same quite often.. a locked server with 5 or 6 players and a whole load of empty ones.. online race events are a nightmare most of the time so i don't bother. Would be nice to jump online and just do laps with others sometimes..
Again you guys are blaming us for being dicks because GPB online is dead. do you really think this is fair? is that our fault?
I see tons of servers in other games locked, dont know what the problem is.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on March 20, 2017, 11:15:39 PM
online race events are a nightmare most of the time so i don't bother.
Just one of the reasons for being locked
Having test races every week takes some work and organization, can you imagine these tests with 20 riders, jump starts , quitting, connecting and disconnecting during the whole test, asking for the bike to download, complaining, etc etc?
It puts much more work and stress for us and won't be productive. We do have a life too, the less time we lose in this tests the better for everyone.
About more and better feedback:
Not sure about that. You can see different direction in modders and riders about the rideability of the bikes.
We have a group of people with the same point of view about this subject and is easier for us to reach an agreement, instead of 20 different opinions from the community that could confuse us a lot more.
Once released we can refine it a bit more, but we want to mantain our point of view in its behaviour. I think we have the right to do it, no?
We are not slaves of the community. We do what we think is correct and GPB deserves.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on March 20, 2017, 11:15:39 PM
But oh yeah it's all teams and serious shit these days
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on March 20, 2017, 11:15:39 PM
while the other 2% of the community sits and waits full of excitement and anticipation
Why sit and wait? ...do something . I didn't have a clue of how to do anything of modeling , texturing, sounds, no clue at all, of nothing.
I had to learn all this stuff myself with the help of many guys here through the years.
I invite you to give it a try and make a bike. If you don't take it seriously and organized enough it will never see the light.
Its an overwelming amount of work. It ends being serious because the big amount of time it takes out of your life, your family, discussions with your wife due the amount of time you are in front of an screen. And then someone tell you are a dick because you test the bike in a locked server and you are ruining the whole online experience for everyone..... sad.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on March 20, 2017, 11:15:39 PM
to be honest the gpbikes experience now seems more like a government experience.. ::) :)
Without the more or less organization we have now in GPB and the effort people have put in this it would be completely dead years ago, totalled, nothing.
For example, many of you guys don't even realize you are playing online in servers FOR FREE. Servers costs money and a lot of attention.
Dibu has been there behind most servers
for a lot of years, DD is now also putting there money and effort to make you all happy, for free. Also Motonline-france and others.
In other games people get organized in clans , have a website and a forum and every member pay a reasonable amount of money to have and manage theyr own server. Thats a community.
The ton of bikes and tracks out there have being done by people for you , for free
What more do you guys want....?
Seriously!? :o
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C'mon guys..... You got a ton of bikeMODS and trackmods at your disposal, all created or converted to GPB by dedicated, talented hard working people who want to help and improve the enjoyment of GPBikes for the community and all some of you can moan about is not being able to join a MOD Teams Test server?! Really?! Has April Fools Day come early this year or something? :o
Has it all really come to this, that your starting to attack the very people who are working hard to improve your enjoyment of GPB!? I mean, seriously!? :o
Hawk.
Well said Warlock.
@GuiGui: I see what you mean but if you want to play online there's one easy thing to do: go online, even if a server is empty. If others are available they may join you if they see you online.
If you see an empty server and you say "fuck it, I'd rather go watch tv", then ...
Adding to Warlocks point about servers are free for you guys BUT it costs me £45+ a month for me to put up servers. I live on £292.40 a month and that 45 comes out of it!!! Here in the UK internet aint cheap and I have the fastest service I can offer right now. When I get things sorted I will get business internet that will increase the speed a lot more and also have servers up 24/7. It cost money for electric to power a PC you know and a PC running 24/7 costs money, it aint free, Oh and PC's are not free either my server PC only cost £300+ BUT it is ONLY for YOU guys to have servers to ride on, I dont need it for me, it is dedicated to GPBOC!!!
SO...........please think of all the guys that spend hours on a PC spending time AND money to bring you mods. The guys that give you servers and the fact YOU get it ALL for FREE!!!
DD
EDIT: Servers will be running more from later today as been sorting a lot out and was waiting for stuff.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on March 20, 2017, 11:15:39 PM
i see the same quite often.. a locked server with 5 or 6 players and a whole load of empty ones.. online race events are a nightmare most of the time so i don't bother. Would be nice to jump online and just do laps with others sometimes.. But oh yeah it's all teams and serious shit these days ;D everybody's busy testing behind the scenes on top secret projects.. ;D while the other 2% of the community sits and waits full of excitement and anticipation .. :D to be honest the gpbikes experience now seems more like a government experience.. ::) :)
The CAWS team races are mod stability test races and are locked to ensure server stability, prevent all the problems of tracks and bikes being incompatible with the current public releases and the mods are WIP so might not be up to riders expectations.
DD has tried hard to promote group riding but we all know that other issues make it difficult to casually 'jump into' a session which is something everyone would like to do;
A couple of the most obvious ones that would not take much fixing by PB;
1) You cannot see a server from the game unless you already have the track installed - this is a big failing and it should be possible to see the global web server list from within the game and not have to hunt it down on the web.
2) The 'missing bike' problems when trying to join an existing session - by the time you have everything sorted you have either lost the will to live or the other riders have moved on, why cant the bike requirements for the track/session be listed in the race server lobby? Unfortunately this is now likely to become a bigger problem is multiple sites are listing the same bike with potentially different release versions (GPB does not have a revision ID for bikes although it does have a unique ID generated at compile time for each track, maybe the concept should be extended for bikes) :(
Quote from: h106frp on March 21, 2017, 09:35:04 AM
A couple of the most obvious ones that would not take much fixing by PB;
1) You cannot see a server from the game unless you already have the track installed - this is a big failing and it should be possible to see the global web server list from within the game and not have to hunt it down on the web.
+1. It's just amazing this is still not solved since the time it has been reported.
Quote from: h106frp on March 21, 2017, 09:35:04 AM
2) The 'missing bike' problems when trying to join an existing session - by the time you have everything sorted you have either lost the will to live or the other riders have moved on, why cant the bike requirements for the track/session be listed in the race server lobby? Unfortunately this is now likely to become a bigger problem is multiple sites are listing the same bike with potentially different release versions (GPB does not have a revision ID for bikes although it does have a unique ID generated at compile time for each track, maybe the concept should be extended for bikes) :(
And +1 again. Just told the exact same words to Matty yesterday in a PM.
Make it possible to query the server for what is needed to connect (which bikes, which versions) and make it possible for bike (and track) modders to have version numbers associated to mods.
One cheapo "solution": put the version number in the bike/track name: Monza_NDS_v1_1 , WSBK2017_Ducati_PanigaleR_V2_15.
Different versions = different folders, so all is very clear.
Only just started this but when you compile a track fbx2edf compute a unique embedded hex string ID tied to the race surface geometry that identifies it for server stats. If the same concept could be applied to a bike folder so it includes all the physics and geometry (i.e. if the paint linking was not an issue you could zip the folder and use the checksum as ID) then this could resolve this issue.
Sure, it's just no very handy to have a hard-to-read ID instead of a clear version number.
If the version number (a simple short string) enters in the computation of the ID itself, then you have both an unique ID and a readable version number.
Or we can all commit mass suiside and the problem is solved!!!
+1 on bike ID etc. Some form of positive ID for a bike AND the info displayed if you cant connect exactly whch bike is missing/or wrong version
DD
Quote from: Hawk on March 21, 2017, 01:37:28 AM
Seriously!? :o
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C'mon guys..... You got a ton of bikeMODS and trackmods at your disposal, all created or converted to GPB by dedicated, talented hard working people who want to help and improve the enjoyment of GPBikes for the community and all some of you can moan about is not being able to join a MOD Teams Test server?! Really?! Has April Fools Day come early this year or something? :o
Has it all really come to this, that your starting to attack the very people who are working hard to improve your enjoyment of GPB!? I mean, seriously!? :o
Hawk.
It isn't an attack at all , my only request was , could you open your serv , Did I talk about your work ???? Don't think so ..
It's a bit annoying to open a simple cool topic to discuss about and some come and stigmatize what I say
Quote from: guigui404 on March 21, 2017, 11:33:53 AM
It isn't an attack at all , my only request was , could you open your serv , Did I talk about your work ???? Don't think so ..
It's a bit annoying to open a simple cool topic to discuss about and some come and stigmatize what I say
The point is Guigui(and you did make the CAWS Test Server the point in question here), why do you want to have a mod teams "Test Server" opened up? It's for the team testing of bikes that are not ready for release(Warlock & Nick explains the situation above very well).
If you want to ride online with others then ask DD to set-up a server for you and get some guys together and ride. Simple..... But why hassle modders(who are "
Working" on the bikemods) just because you can't find anyone online to ride with?
This is certainly not a, "
cool topic", as you put it.
Hawk.
Quote from: Hawk on March 21, 2017, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on March 21, 2017, 11:33:53 AM
It isn't an attack at all , my only request was , could you open your serv , Did I talk about your work ???? Don't think so ..
It's a bit annoying to open a simple cool topic to discuss about and some come and stigmatize what I say
The point is Guigui(and you did make the CAWS Test Server the point in question here), why do you want to have a mod teams "Test Server" opened up? It's for the team testing of bikes that are not ready for release(Warlock & Nick explains the situation above very well).
If you want to ride online with others then ask DD to set-up a server for you and get some guys together and ride. Simple..... But why hassle modders(who are "Working" on the bikemods) just because you can't find anyone online to ride with?
This is certainly not a, "cool topic", as you put it.
Hawk.
You don't understand that many of us just want to come online and play , no need to ask for a server to race etc .. and the only peoples only are all gather in 1 server locked
I understand Guigui, but that locked server is not for fun riding, its for testing purpouses. You wont have fun with a bike that folds the steering in every corner, or crash continously with no apparent reason, or locks the rear wheel every downshift, its not fun.
Max told you how to do it. Get in any server and stay there for a while , i bet someone else come in less than 15 minutes. People dont like empty servers, as soon as there is someone else others come like flys to the honey.
Also you can make a post in racing subforum, something like:
"Hey guys, im in x server for some fun, whos coming?"
Try it.
I'm ok with that Warlock , it's not about me , so I don't understand why you all say that , I just say that when there is a server with people on it , more peoples come , and logic fact if the only server online is lock no one will come , yes because many look at the server page to know if they come online or not , am I wrong ?
Probably people look in the server list before joining.
So if they see a locked server with few guys and an open server with you or anyone else in it will probably come and ride with you.
I myself use to ride very late in the night even 4 or 5 am.
And 80% of the times some one else come.
I can't believe a sunday at 20:00h if you stay in the server no one else come and join.
Quote from: guigui404 on March 21, 2017, 04:44:58 PM
I'm ok with that Warlock , it's not about me , so I don't understand why you all say that , I just say that when there is a server with people on it , more peoples come , and logic fact if the only server online is lock no one will come , yes because many look at the server page to know if they come online or not , am I wrong ?
Guigui you are right and l totally agree with what you and Bob have said, I often check the servers and see the caws testing but I'm ok wothers that.
Thanks Toomes , it's good to have the community opinion about this, and CAWS that wasn't at all an attack , I just say what I think and many of other riders I ask about this , but you completely missunderstund and think it's personnal topic for me to find peoples to ride ..
And max sorry I didn't answer to you , yes many think like this , no one on servers ? I don't play
I think warlocks idea of letting people know that you'll going for a blast is a good idea.
Guigui if you ever want to go for a blast on track give us a pm, I'm normally home from work by 4.00-5.00 and that goes for anybody else..... l should imagine servers will start to fill with all the racing on tv and Gpbikes going on.👌
I think it is quite a simple thing - there aren't enough people playing regularly now. If you only see anyone once a week (us) the problem is the lack of people not what we choose to do.
But there are plenty of people waiting and watching I am sure. Once the feedback to online goes to No More Cores! Then the floodgates might open.
Even if we open up our session to all well that's one evening sorted, only 6 more empty ones for the rest of the week.
Yep a quick post is a nice idea. I often see the super German guys having fun races too. A quick post would no doubt draw us all in to that too.
Edit: Good news we are discussing/considering this inside CAWS again.
I have a teamspeak server for GPBOC where you guys can meet and chat about racing so you can organize races and I am there so you can ask me to set up a server.
If people cant be bothered to use a service I offer then that their problem if they say they cant meet and get fun races or servers setup
Teamspeak IP and password in my signiture
DD
Until things improve online I can't see much going on really.
However, to test a theory, I will be on the GPboc 250 Gp server at A1 Ring from around 6.30pm UK time tonight. For 'testing' and fun;)
Cool! A bit early for me but have a blast. ;)
Well I can usually only manage 6.30 - 8.30 during the week, it's wine time at 8.45 :)
Hehe nice! Seems you have a perfect life there Syd!
Enjoy mate!
Syd n Toomes on the server
NP BASE PAINTS PLEASE
NEED good videos for promoting GPB
DD
Well that was a fun 2 hours :)
I hope the server stays busy all night, Maybe you can join in Guigui?
Sorry about base paint DD, my skin coming soon.