Maybe no one noticed...

[oppolo]

anyway , when the dyno of an engine is found, we can have the datas for our engn file using physic editor for gmotor. it's quite easy http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=377688&postcount=5 , it's output data is an ini file, there will be datas for engn file, we have to convert rpm into rps for piboso engine

[cjmc78]

Just finished these. What you guys think?

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MURASAMADYNOCHART.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/VARESEDYNOCHART-1.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MSMRRDYNOCHART.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MSMCUPDYNOCHART.jpg

[neoraptor]

Nice !!
Now, the next step is to develop a new engine (for example a 600, with 130-140PS), with according sound. 

[Alby46]

Nice ones, gonna use themo make the engn file for the rs 250

[BozoCRO]

Just finished these. What you guys think?

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MURASAMADYNOCHART.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/VARESEDYNOCHART-1.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MSMRRDYNOCHART.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MSMCUPDYNOCHART.jpg

Great job, converting torgue figures into coordinates will be so much easier with your tools. Only thing is that Iam not so sure 125 Cup bike is the same as 125 GP. There should be more diference then just low RPM torgue. Back when Piboso had the bikes stats on the website the diference was about 5-10 HP

[neoraptor]

Just finished these. What you guys think?

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MURASAMADYNOCHART.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/VARESEDYNOCHART-1.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MSMRRDYNOCHART.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MSMCUPDYNOCHART.jpg

Great job, converting torgue figures into coordinates will be so much easier with your tools. Only thing is that Iam not so sure 125 Cup bike is the same as 125 GP. There should be more diference then just low RPM torgue. Back when Piboso had the bikes stats on the website the diference was about 5-10 HP

You forgot that power = Torque * RPM
Si y ou easily cet chose 5-10ps

[cjmc78]

Here's the Excel file I used to create the dyno graphs for all four bikes including raw data:

https://mega.co.nz/#!sIgkQJRQ!DYBndytG1Gty_97OqdqlmkhlALAojsCYCVVgLJcqtvM

Edit: Excel file contained an error. Now fixed.

[cjmc78]

Just finished these. What you guys think?

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MURASAMADYNOCHART.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/VARESEDYNOCHART-1.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MSMRRDYNOCHART.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj531/CJMC78/PIBOSO%20GP%20BIKES/MSMCUPDYNOCHART.jpg

Great job, converting torgue figures into coordinates will be so much easier with your tools. Only thing is that Iam not so sure 125 Cup bike is the same as 125 GP. There should be more diference then just low RPM torgue. Back when Piboso had the bikes stats on the website the diference was about 5-10 HP

You're right about the difference in power between the Cup and GP bikes. I made a stupid mistake. I have fixed it now. Sorry about that.

[C21]

@cjmc78
Thank you for the Exel file.
Great help on developing engines.
It´s much easier.
Good work :-)

Just one question:
Is it a must to work all points out or can i leave point 11 and 12 blank?
In detail:
e.g. If the engine is only cabable to rev to 14000RPM (rev limiter) why should i add higher rev points? If the engine revves above the limiter it will most likely destroy itself ;-)

I´m modifiying the cbr1000rr engine (which uses the Murusama data obviously right now) within next days to get a standard engine, a mild tuned engine (exhaust and Ecu mods (in real life: Powercommander for example), Superstock and a Superbike engine (based on real data). So we get the CBR1000RR closer to reality ;-)

[grimm]

@cjmc78
Thank you for the Exel file.
Great help on developing engines.
It´s much easier.
Good work :-)

Just one question:
Is it a must to work all points out or can i leave point 11 and 12 blank?
In detail:
e.g. If the engine is only cabable to rev to 14000RPM (rev limiter) why should i add higher rev points? If the engine revves above the limiter it will most likely destroy itself ;-)

I´m modifiying the cbr1000rr engine (which uses the Murusama data obviously right now) within next days to get a standard engine, a mild tuned engine (exhaust and Ecu mods (in real life: Powercommander for example), Superstock and a Superbike engine (based on real data). So we get the CBR1000RR closer to reality ;-)

I was beginning to wonder that too. For example, a 2005 CBR600RR rev limit is a far cry from a 2007 R6 rev limit. Could only imagine spinning what would seem to be a 600RR up to 17,000rpm. 

[HornetMaX]

Just one question:
Is it a must to work all points out or can i leave point 11 and 12 blank?
In detail:
e.g. If the engine is only cabable to rev to 14000RPM (rev limiter) why should i add higher rev points? If the engine revves above the limiter it will most likely destroy itself ;-)

You are not obliged to use the same RPS points, you can change them too (on top of the torque).
You can even change the number of points.

However notice that the engine has a BreakingRPM defined (RPM at which the engine breaks) and this is of course above the limiter. So you may want to define the torques above the limiter, even if these values may be just guessed as I doubt we'll be able to find dyno runs above the limiter

MaX.

[C21]

@max
Thank you, very much appriciated 

BTW:
Finished STD-Engine :-)

[C21]

Now developing the other engines.....will be available via Map-Switch (hopefully).
Map0 will be STD, Map 1 will be Track prepped, Map2 will be HRC Kit 2008 and finally the World Superbike engine on Map3 :-)
It´s more time consuming than i astimated....
I don´t know if it is possible to get transmission restrictions connected to different MAP settings or if it is only possible to the bike mod itself.
Normally you don´t have the possibility to change the gear ratios on the STD and Track prepped engines, you can change the sprockets only. Different gear ratios are only available for the HRC kit and World Superbike engine.

FYI:
I´m using the 2008 (RC59 - CBR1000RR) data because i have all data and specifications available for that bike in all different versions (as described above map0-3). I know that the 2012 engines in STD spec are a little bit stronger than 2008......

P.S.
If someone wonders why the power curve is flat from to 10500-13400 rpm....-> the engine is "restricted" by ignition retarding. You can easily get more power with advanced ignition ;-)
You will see the noticable differences when the other power curves are ready.

[oppolo]

I don´t know if it is possible to get transmission restrictions connected to different MAP settings or if it is only possible to the bike mod itself.

I think  you have to do different mods

[C21]

yes i have to...but i can only do the engines and some physics , i don´t have the time to develop the whole bike from scratch (incl. 3d modeling....). I know basically how to do that but i would need 48 hours days instead of 24h to do that additionally. 
Engines are running good now but i´m still finetuning the files....due to lack of documentation i have to compare with other files and sometimes it is a try and error procedure.
But with every bit you getting more into it 

BTW: (to get an opinion what i am doing.......and try to do -> most of that is also already done by neoraptor and his modded Yamaha R6)
Finetuning consist of:
- adapting fuel tank size,
- using original primary and secondary ratios,
- corrected rpm limiter and max rpm limit,
- adapt fuel consumption
- adapting cooling factor
- using original brake piston sizes and brake disc sizes
- adapting engine and chassis inertia
- adapting cda
- adapting steering damper
- adapting front and rear suspensions to real spring ratios and adjust capability of dampers
- removal of TCS and AntiWheelie in STD and Track version (only available in HRC and WSBK version)
- tbc.

Sometimes you get a little bit frustrated because it did not react as expected but there are the other momements when things work and the bike feels more "real" ;-)
In my opinion i will (if possible) release two versions.
Version one is based on the Original CBR1000RR Model year 2008 using the Standard engine (152bhp) and the Track engine map (173bhp).
This version will have a fixed gear set and you have no option to change the gearset. Brakes are also not adjustable. Size is fixed to 18mm front and 14mm rear with only Steel Disc available.
Version two consist of the HRC Kit Version (195bhp) and World Superbike Version (215bhp), with fully changable gear ratios based on the real gear ratios in the HRC Superbike Kit. Brakes will be only Steel but with different Sizes and 18,19 or 20mm radial front master cylinder.
Both bikes in Version two have different swingarm to the Version one bikes but i don´t know of i can get that adapted.
It will take some time but i´m not in a hurry. I prefer quality above quantity ;-)