C'mon guys.... Your not being fair on the community by refusing to list your bikemods in the bikemod database... You can't change the rules of the bikemod database just to suit yourselves..... The rules are there for a good reason, so be gentlemen and professional about this and let Matty list your bikes in the Bikemod Database where everyone in the community can update all the bikemods from one place instead of having to flick around from thread to thread to find other updates. ;) 8)
Hawk.
PS: I thought the Italian Mod Team(ITM) would act irresponsibly about this thread initially posted in the Italian Mod Team forum section, and I was right, they locked the thread off straight away(naughty boys). ::)
The community has a right to voice their opinions and let you know how they feel about what you guys have done to Matty and the Bikemod Database. If I was Piboso I'd strip you of moderator rights simply because you've just shown that you don't know how to handle the responsibility of being a forum section moderator. ::)
Voice your thoughts guys and repost your posts here again. ;)
Hawk.
+1 Hawky
Sorry guys but you just started acting like spoiled brats and throwing tantrums at every comment made about your work. I dont fuck around with my words and say it as it is.
You have done some fantastic work and we all apprecieate it, BUT, it dont give you the keys to the city to start making your own rules and complicate the whole structure of the forums.
Basically said, WHAT makes you above the rest of the modders? What gives you the right to play GOD.
If YOU cant do something for the community from the heart, be happy just in the fact YOU enjoy doing it and fell great that you did great work without everyone sucking up and groveling on their knees and worshiping you, YOUR in the wrong place!!!
Sorry but this POWERTRIP modder shit needs to stop.
Either you do it for the fun of it and the good of the community or just dont bother!!!
Matty and others provide a damn good service for the good of all and work hard to make it as simple as possible for all, then you guys get a hair up your ass and screw it up for everyone!!!
Stop being acting like spoiled brats
Sorry but needed to be said
DD
I dont care nothing about this... But it's funny that people find problems where there are not. :-*
Blacky,
This is one you will not win son.
You went too far m8
DD
Lol, look who's stirring up trouble this time. It's my good pal Hawk. Initially, I as well felt the as you do. A bike database separate from Maty's seemed to divide the forum. However, Italian Mod Teams database arose from a disagreement about how certain things should be done. Maty having full control of the database had the drawback of forcing some to sing to a tune they'd rather not. It's not so bad. Users get Italian Mod Team's bikes released far sooner now. That's been a strong enough motivation for me to give it a thumbs up. I now don't see a problem with the separate database, haha. Sure it deviates from the norm... but does it do that much harm?
Can we not make this an argument. This is a discussion.
Blackheart and The Italian Mod Team have made their decision. Weather the community agrees or not.
The whole point of the BikeMOD was to make it easier for member to know when to update bikes so that they can get online. Not many of the current members may remember what this was like before the first BikeMOD (No, this wasn't me idea, I just took the reins). It was a bloody nightmare trying to get the correct bikes for each server.
Also it gives Modders time to make changes and be sure they are happy with them rather than just chucking out 20 updates out in a week and expecting people to know which one to use (I'm not saying this is what is happening but this is one of the reasons for the BikeMOD).
If people arn't happy with the way I currently run the BikeMOD, feel free to step up :)
Matty
Right Matty and heres more discussion,
Quote from: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 15, 2017, 10:24:44 PM
, haha. Sure it deviates from the norm... but does it do that much harm?
Give yourself a few more years of answering newbies questions on "I cant join a server whaaa and I have all the Bike Mod bikes blah blah blah" and you might twig. THE BIKE MOD IS TO HELP
EVERYONEIt is usually modders who make something and pump links out all over the place who are the same people who never speak or help out a newbie just leave it to the same old people. People much like your old friend Hawk who has been here a decade and still helps everyone new or old for the millionth time, and still gets crappy comments from people who think they know better.
But hey, if the finished bikes get to the BikeMod who really gives a flying toss? You cant rule the world without being a Megalomaniac, right? :D
At the moment the IMT database is created just for the set WSBK 2017, we will see in the future.
P.S. 2 my bikes have been removed from the bikemod, because old, are not present in the IMT Database.
Quote from: Blackheart on March 15, 2017, 11:00:31 PM
At the moment the IMT database is created just for the set WSBK 2017, we will see in the future.
P.S. 2 my bikes have been removed from the bikemod, because old, are not present in the IMT Database.
???
That's not how you made it sound the other day...
Exactly the reason i stopped doing this ::)
People were releasing everything all over the place, powertripping on the fact they had created a mod while in practise noone could use it because noone knew where to get it.
Then in the end it was my fault for not including everything into the mod? Right... ;D
Stout, Warlock, PeterV and myself started this mod to make it more fun to ride together, making it as a temporary solution. Back then we said a system like the old rFactorcentral needed to be created in order to give people more control over what they would and would not download and make everyone`s life easier. Multiple people rushed everywhere to make this a reality...this has been 4 years ago.
I think even if GP bikes will make it to a stable 1.0 version, the way mods are being handled right now would turn off alot of potential customers.
Quote from: matty0l215 on March 15, 2017, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on March 15, 2017, 11:00:31 PM
At the moment the IMT database is created just for the set WSBK 2017, we will see in the future.
P.S. 2 my bikes have been removed from the bikemod, because old, are not present in the IMT Database.
???
That's not how you made it sound the other day...
But its true, NR750 and CBR900RR models and phisics they will be rebuilt from the team in future. Or I would simply move into "new database" ... or not? ???
Quote from: JamoZ on March 15, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
I think even if GP bikes will make it to a stable 1.0 version, the way mods are being handled right now would turn off alot of potential customers.
The BikeMOD or the fracturing of it?
Quote from: JamoZ on March 15, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
Stout, Warlock, PeterV and myself started this mod to make it more fun to ride together, making it as a temporary solution. Back then we said a system like the old rFactorcentral needed to be created in order to give people more control over what they would and would not download and make everyone`s life easier. Multiple people rushed everywhere to make this a reality...this has been 4 years ago.
This is what I would like to and I am trying to work on something like this but Between not knowing where to even start and then the fact Life is actually a thing to and has to come first. I'm getting no where fast.
But anyway...
Quote from: Blackheart on March 15, 2017, 11:09:28 PM
But its true, NR750 and CBR900RR models and phisics they will be rebuilt from the team in future. Or I would simply move into "new database" ... or not? ???
You can do whatever you want with your bike. Why you waited until now to ask me to remove them confuses me. Going on the grand statement you made, I assumed there removal was also part of said statement.
Quote from: JamoZ on March 15, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
I think even if GP bikes will make it to a stable 1.0 version, the way mods are being handled right now would turn off alot of potential customers.
Totally agree on this
OMG the IMT team born a month ago is a bad thing for GP Bikes!
Better to take a break from this shit ;)
Quote from: Blackheart on March 15, 2017, 11:16:36 PM
OMG the IMT team born a month ago is a bad thing for GP Bikes!
Better to take a break from this shit ;)
We're not saying that. Not at all
More content is better for the game as a whole. And now you have said your piece I am fine with you not having your bikes in the BikeMOD.
Again, You can do whatever you want with your bikes. I just want an easy method of updating bikes
Quote from: matty0l215 on March 15, 2017, 11:10:25 PM
The BikeMOD or the fracturing of it?
Both i think. The core idea of the bikemod isn`t bad, i think it`s just not the way mods should be handled for a game. Take a look at Racedepartment`s mods section and you`ll see what i mean.
There are seperate threads sort of speak (like i asked to create back then on these forums too) for every mod, with updates, pictures, video`s and comments from the author and users and you even get alerts when new content for a mod is available.
Sometimes i take a look at that list to help me decide if i should purchase a certain game. If in my case i would be a new potential customer for GP bikes that would like to know what mods were available and where, it would be a pain in the ass with these forums and methods.
Long story short ; It can and should be alot clearer for everyone...
As you said Matty, life is getting in the way lately for me aswell, but i know some people on this forum don`t do alot during the day :P
Maybe something like this could be set up fairly quickly?
http://rgnnr8.wixsite.com/modbase (http://rgnnr8.wixsite.com/modbase)
I`ve used WIX in the past to create websites and it`s fairly easy to use if someone had the time to actually go do it...
I'll add it to "The List" :P
Thanks JamoZ :)
I have no problem with people wanting control over their intellectual property (as a journalist I know a thing or two about that), but as others mentioned, the bike mod database is a big help knowing which bikes can be used on the servers. We are a community and hopefully we all want what is best for GP Bikes, and a lot of people are spending a lot of their own time, and have been for ages, trying to help the community. If you want to be a part of that, good, if not, create as many bikes as you want and play with them offline. We have enough online connectivity and stability issues as it is, don't need to pour more fuel on that particular fire. Those are my 2 cents...
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Italian Mod Team's database is just that: Another database. Its creation is not tantamount to posting mods everywhere. So really there's no harm. My initial concern about it was that is facilitated a paradigm shift into one of mild division. Seems I was right, but it seems also, that's all.
Quote from: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 16, 2017, 06:44:11 AM
Italian Mod Team's database is just that: Another database. Its creation is not tantamount to posting mods everywhere. So really there's no harm. My initial concern about it was that is facilitated a paradigm shift into one of mild division. Seems I was right, but it seems also, that's all.
On one hand you seem to know and understand the importance of the Bikemod Database and it's prime and very important operation in the communities ability to have a place to update all the bikemods
from one place instead of having to search around for other updates before they can connect to online servers, yet on your other hand you seem to be saying it's fine for a mod team to refuse to allow the listing of their bikemods in the established Bikemod Database. Something of a contradiction there don't you think UC?
So I'd ask not only yourself UC, but in fact I ask everyone here in this community: Which one are you for? A single place(namely the Bikemod Database) where riders in the community can come to make sure they are up to date with the bikemods so they can connect to the online servers easily without issues, or, the mod teams(namely one in this case being the IMT) refusing to co-operate with the established Bikemod Database and splitting off and doing their own database which then causes disruption to the community by riders having then to access two different and separate databases to update their bikes before they can connect to the online servers?
Doesn't it make perfect sense to all to only have the one database, the one place were riders need to come to update their bikeMODS rather than two or more different databases to do the same job?
Also you seem to be suggesting, UC, that because it's only the one mod-team refusing to co-operate with the bikemod database then that is okay? What if then another decides to do the same thing, and then another, all having there own databases in different places that riders needed to find and visit before they could update their bikemods? Do you think this would be a good thing for the community? Do you think that situation would be a lot better than riders only needing to visit the one place to update all their bikemods?
The whole point that should be on anyones mind in this community should be about what is best for the community as a whole, not what's best for me, or what's best for the mod-teams, but what are we doing to make it easier and simpler for the community as a whole to do what they need to do to be able to connect to the online servers easily. It seems to me that this sense of co-operation within the community is starting to break down, and it only takes one person to start it, and before long all the great work that has been done in the past will be lost because someone thought they knew a better way to do things, yet in reality they are just destined to repeat the same mistakes over again because they don't have the experience over many years now of what's the best way to run the Bikemod Database.
The Bikemod Database has had many years to realise what works and what doesn't, and it's few basic rules are there for a good reason, to make sure the mistakes it's made in the past are not repeated....... So come on guys, let's get back to co-operating with each other and let Matty list your IMT bikemods in the Bikemod Database for the benefit of everyone here in the community, because the way things are going right now, we will end up back to how it used to be with no organisation or databases for anything, and the chaos that we had back then with riders continually not knowing what version tracks and bikes were being used on the online servers was just ridiculous. Do we want to go back to those times? I don't, and I'd guess everyone would agree with me on that?
Hawk.
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People have too much free time ;D
Today/night the new release, we worked very hard on this 1.2 version, hope u like it, :)
Quote from: Hawk on March 16, 2017, 12:08:56 PM
On one hand you seem to know and understand the importance of the Bikemod Database and it's prime and very important operation in the communities ability to have a place to update all the bikemods from one place instead of having to search around for other updates before they can connect to online servers, yet on your other hand you seem to be saying it's fine for a mod team to refuse to allow the listing of their bikemods in the established Bikemod Database. Something of a contradiction there don't you think UC?
So I'd ask not only yourself UC, but in fact I ask everyone here in this community: Which one are you for? A single place(namely the Bikemod Database) where riders in the community can come to make sure they are up to date with the bikemods so they can connect to the online servers easily without issues, or, the mod teams(namely one in this case being the IMT) refusing to co-operate with the established Bikemod Database and splitting off and doing their own database which then causes disruption to the community by riders having then to access two different and separate databases to update their bikes before they can connect to the online servers?
Doesn't it make perfect sense to all to only have the one database, the one place were riders need to come to update their bikeMODS rather than two or more different databases to do the same job?
Also you seem to be suggesting, UC, that because it's only the one mod-team refusing to co-operate with the bikemod database then that is okay? What if then another decides to do the same thing, and then another, all having there own databases in different places that riders needed to find and visit before they could update their bikemods? Do you think this would be a good thing for the community? Do you think that situation would be a lot better than riders only needing to visit the one place to update all their bikemods?
The whole point that should be on anyones mind in this community should be about what is best for the community as a whole, not what's best for me, or what's best for the mod-teams, but what are we doing to make it easier and simpler for the community as a whole to do what they need to do to be able to connect to the online servers easily. It seems to me that this sense of co-operation within the community is starting to break down, and it only takes one person to start it, and before long all the great work that has been done in the past will be lost because someone thought they knew a better way to do things, yet in reality they are just destined to repeat the same mistakes over again because they don't have the experience over many years now of what's the best way to run the Bikemod Database.
The Bikemod Database has had many years to realise what works and what doesn't, and it's few basic rules are there for a good reason, to make sure the mistakes it's made in the past are not repeated....... So come on guys, let's get back to co-operating with each other and let Matty list your IMT bikemods in the Bikemod Database for the benefit of everyone here in the community, because the way things are going right now, we will end up back to how it used to be with no organisation or databases for anything, and the chaos that we had back then with riders continually not knowing what version tracks and bikes were being used on the online servers was just ridiculous. Do we want to go back to those times? I don't, and I'd guess everyone would agree with me on that?
Hawk.
The machinations of life do not follow ideal narratives, so I do not reason in accordance with idealism. Without a doubt a rogue unit on the forum isn't a good thing, I've never denied that. However, it is just the Italian Mod Team who have a database separate from Maty's. Speaking of which: There is the problem. It's under his control. At present people are making a fuss out of something for which there is a simple solution. You see in life we must do that very thing which you currently are advocating: compromise. However your proposed solution is a compromise on only one group of people's part (the Italian Mod Team) for only one definition of "for the good of the community". I do believe there is more than one way to achieve that goal. Insisting on only one, and not exploring other avenues before shouting "anarchy" might not be the best way to address it.
Seriously this isn't that big of a deal, and there is no need to wait for it to genuinely become one. You need to address the issue which has necessitated another database in the Italian Mod Team's eyes. In the meantime, including a link to the Italian Mod Team's database in the Bike Mod topic seems like a good idea. That is, if you don't want users to have embark on the arduous task of scrolling all the way down to the Italian Mod Team section, and straining themselves to click on that forum link.
Things need to be arranged for the good of the community, but are you sure that a single database with long waits in-between releases, is a good thing? I mean, the heart ache I have had to endure over the long periods of time through which we had to wait for a bike update has damn-near wreaked irreparable havoc to my fragile heart. Hahaha gotcha.
So after many years and reaching the conclusion that the only way to avoid the issues of not being able to join servers was to have a defined official bike set we are back to guessing what you need from various sources - and thats progress?
The only other practical option would be for each server host to host the required bike downloads as well, but who want to keep downloading bike set just in case a single bike has a slight change in its config?
I would not be surprised if Matty just decides that the best thing for the community would be to let IMT take over the whole database just to keep within the definition above and certainly less work for him to stay on top of.
If anyone thinks re-synchronizing the mega database is something they would like to do on a daily basis i think they will be surprised how much effort it takes - do you want to be the database admin UC2?
Me? Nah I'm good, haha. I do think a link to the Italian Mod Team's Mega database on the first page of the "Bike Mod" topic would be a good idea. That way, there remains one central access point for all bike mods. Whether users accesses IMT's databse via the "Bike Mod" topic, or the Italian Mod Team forum section, they will be getting the same version of bikes. There no need for this to become a problem.
I really do not see this discussion necessary, nor do I see many things that are necessary ...
On the other hand, if IMT wants to have its database, have it.
Matty does an incredible job with his database, but if others prefer not to use it they are free not to use it.
I personally rarely use the database, because I usually download the bikes directly from the bike post, but lately they are creating "teams of modders" that have their own subforums, so it can be difficult to find some bikes if you do not look good. This for me is not a problem, if it can be for other new riders who do not know how the forum works.
I think all bikes should be in the "BIKES" subforum, just like all the circuits, etc etc, for that they were created.
Then if someone does not find something has Matty's database, which is all in and very well updated.
That IMT does not want to use Matty's database, perfect, but if their bikes are not published in the subtitle "BIKES", I doubt that any novice can access them, because they will not find them.
Another point to the whole community that I would like to do ...
PLEASE, if we do not help each other, we will not be helped. Let's be smart and do things well, with help from all to make things easier.
This is still a game and is to have fun, make it easy and fun, join us all and play
Sorry for my English ;)
Quote from: Jose Reina on March 16, 2017, 02:04:09 PM
That IMT does not want to use Matty's database, perfect, but if their bikes are not published in the subtitle "BIKES", I doubt that any novice can access them, because they will not find them.
This a good point, but I remember u Josè that the WSBK 2017 set (with real spec) for now is not completed, we want just some feedback, not races or other things, so no need more visibility for now ;)
Unfortunately, discussions like this ruin our fun, so in the future we will not respond at similar useless threads ;)
Is there no real realisation of just how important one, and only one, central BikeMOD Database is to the community? Can you guys at IMT and it's new database supporters not see that?
Hawk.
Quote from: Blackheart on March 16, 2017, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: Jose Reina on March 16, 2017, 02:04:09 PM
That IMT does not want to use Matty's database, perfect, but if their bikes are not published in the subtitle "BIKES", I doubt that any novice can access them, because they will not find them.
This a good point, but I remember u Josè that the WSBK 2017 set (with real spec) for now is not completed, we want just some feedback, not races or other things, so no need more visibility for now ;)
Unfortunately, discussions like this ruin our fun, so in the future we will not respond at similar useless threads ;)
There it is clear.
I just think ... if you make a motorcycle (with real specifications or not) and what you want is feedback, people should be able to download them, and they should be able to find them easily, if they want feedback, they want you to try your bikes, Races, or just train, or make championships (I could do a championship if I want with your motorcycles as they are right now), I still think they should find each other easily to download them.
Now that ... if you prefer to have them hidden in the forum, it's your choice, that's why I see that this topic does not make sense.
That is just my opinion.
We publish a few bikes, only in a Post within the sub-forum "BIKES", so that all comments on it are there, possible updates will be there, and people who want to access the bikes or give their feedback can do it there.
I think it's the easiest thing, but everyone thinks differently, that's why we live in democracy hahahaha
There are 3 IMT servers all days online with in the title the bikes version request (atm 1.1) if a guy dont have the bikes, is not hard find them, we already have an easy solution for the future. ;)
Quote from: Blackheart on March 16, 2017, 03:31:01 PM
There are 3 IMT servers all days online with in the title the bikes version request (atm 1.1) if a guy dont have the bikes, is not hard find them, we already have an easy solution for the future. ;)
Believe me there are many riders who do not know how to use the forum, they ask me where to find this bike, or this circuit, etc. etc.
There are people who do not know anything about the internet, sorry if you did not know, but a lot of riders have half of motorcycles and circuits because they do not know how to look for it.
Quote from: Jose Reina on March 16, 2017, 03:35:02 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on March 16, 2017, 03:31:01 PM
There are 3 IMT servers all days online with in the title the bikes version request (atm 1.1) if a guy dont have the bikes, is not hard find them, we already have an easy solution for the future. ;)
Believe me there are many riders who do not know how to use the forum, they ask me where to find this bike, or this circuit, etc. etc.
There are people who do not know anything about the internet, sorry if you did not know, but a lot of riders have half of motorcycles and circuits because they do not know how to look for it.
You seem to be misunderstanding the point of this thread Jose..... No one here has any problems with IMT creating their own bike update database at all; the problem is that the IMT have refused to allow Matty to list their bikes in the "
BikeMOD Database" and therefore creating a situation where riders now will have an even greater problem to update the bikemods than they did before. There was no point in that decision whatsoever.... that was just a pure spiteful decision against the community from the IMT in my opinion, and if I may say so, a typical decision from the IMT considering their general attitude to others.
Everyone new to the forum will take a little time to get to know where things are no matter what you do, that is just normal; this is why it helps to be helpful and point new people in the right direction when they join rather than ignoring them just because we've heard the same requests over and again.
But no, no one is against IMT creating their own bike update database for just their bikes so long as they don't purposely refuse to allow Matty to include their bikes in the well established "BikeMOD Database" too.Hawk.
I understand Hawk perfectly, and I do not defend anyone, I just think, and as my opinion, I still think that each one is free, and that IMT prefers to have its database, to have it, I do not see problem in that, it is But, I see only that it harms them.
Matty will continue doing his BikeMod without the IMT bikes, and IMT will have his BikeMod with his bikes.
This only hurts the new riders, which will be more difficult for them to enter a server.
I repeat, we should be more united, but it seems that it is not so.
Quote from: Jose Reina on March 16, 2017, 04:14:52 PM
I understand Hawk perfectly, and I do not defend anyone, I just think, and as my opinion, I still think that each one is free, and that IMT prefers to have its database, to have it, I do not see problem in that, it is But, I see only that it harms them.
Matty will continue doing his BikeMod without the IMT bikes, and IMT will have his BikeMod with his bikes.
This only hurts the new riders, which will be more difficult for them to enter a server.
I repeat, we should be more united, but it seems that it is not so.
Okay, I understand what your saying there Jose, but think on this: If all the MOD Teams decided to refuse to let Matty include their bikes in the "BikeMOD Database", and I'll go even further to say what if also all the track modders took the same attitude as IMT and all created their own personal MOD Update Databases and refused to let anyone else include their mods in a single central database, would that be good for the community too? How would you feel about having to visit a lot of different forum threads to keep up to date before you could join any server? Would you advocate that too?
Hawk.
My feelings...
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Quote from: Hawk on March 16, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: Jose Reina on March 16, 2017, 04:14:52 PM
I understand Hawk perfectly, and I do not defend anyone, I just think, and as my opinion, I still think that each one is free, and that IMT prefers to have its database, to have it, I do not see problem in that, it is But, I see only that it harms them.
Matty will continue doing his BikeMod without the IMT bikes, and IMT will have his BikeMod with his bikes.
This only hurts the new riders, which will be more difficult for them to enter a server.
I repeat, we should be more united, but it seems that it is not so.
Okay, I understand what your saying there Jose, but think on this: If all the MOD Teams decided to refuse to let Matty include their bikes in the "BikeMOD Database", and I'll go even further to say what if also all the track modders took the same attitude as IMT and all created their own personal MOD Update Databases and refused to let anyone else include their mods in a single central database, would that be good for the community too? How would you feel about having to visit a lot of different forum threads to keep up to date before you could join any server? Would you advocate that too?
Hawk.
I do not defend anything, just comment my opinion. What you say would seem fatal to the community. But I also say that IMT has the right to do it.
I would not do it, I've already said that it's very difficult for someone to play with their bikes if they do not find them, but if IMT prefers it ...
Quote from: Blackheart on March 16, 2017, 04:48:00 PM
My feelings...
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How you feel?
This is become a bloody chore. Every day I come on the forum and see people fucking arguing over trivial matters. Haven't we all got better things to be doing.
This isn't aimed at anyone and but everyone. This is finished.
Quote from: Jose Reina on March 16, 2017, 04:14:52 PM
I understand Hawk perfectly, and I do not defend anyone, I just think, and as my opinion, I still think that each one is free, and that IMT prefers to have its database, to have it, I do not see problem in that, it is But, I see only that it harms them.
Matty will continue doing his BikeMod without the IMT bikes, and IMT will have his BikeMod with his bikes.
This only hurts the new riders, which will be more difficult for them to enter a server.
I repeat, we should be more united, but it seems that it is not so.
Quote from: Hawk on March 16, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
Okay, I understand what your saying there Jose, but think on this: If all the MOD Teams decided to refuse to let Matty include their bikes in the "BikeMOD Database", and I'll go even further to say what if also all the track modders took the same attitude as IMT and all created their own personal MOD Update Databases and refused to let anyone else include their mods in a single central database, would that be good for the community too? How would you feel about having to visit a lot of different forum threads to keep up to date before you could join any server? Would you advocate that too?
Hawk.
Quote from: Jose Reina on March 16, 2017, 04:58:18 PM
I do not defend anything, just comment my opinion. What you say would seem fatal to the community. But I also say that IMT has the right to do it.
I would not do it, I've already said that it's very difficult for someone to play with their bikes if they do not find them, but if IMT prefers it ...
Quote from: matty0l215 on March 16, 2017, 05:35:48 PM
How you feel?
This is become a bloody chore. Every day I come on the forum and see people fucking arguing over trivial matters. Haven't we all got better things to be doing.
This isn't aimed at anyone and but everyone. This is finished.
It's not always over trivial things, haha. Sometimes it's over the fact that people who don't know jack shit about what they are talking, and who lack quite pitifully, the cognitive ability to wrap their minds around basic kinetic concepts, resort to their default "high and mighty" pretences and the spewing of utterly irrational garbage in a desperate (yet failed) attempt to avoid great embarrassment.
Other times, it's over matters where people need not argue at all. Of the latter, this is an example. Do not know why people wanna argue about this, it's not as if the Italian Mod Team will change their minds about their separate database.
What on earth don't you understand about this is finished.
Take the Hint.
My 2c: IMT is free of not using the BikeMOD, that's very clear.
But as IMT content is published on the web, Matty is free to upload that content to the BikeMOD.
Side note: Matty, have a look at how MXB equivalent of the bikeMOD works, it's much better.
The spam is here?
WSBK 2017 1.2 Released just now with a new nice bike ;D Have fun.
Link at the Database with updated bikes and the new one: IMT Database (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4698.0)
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on March 16, 2017, 06:33:21 PM
The spam is here?
WSBK 2017 1.2 Released just now with a new nice bike ;D Have fun.
Link at the Database with updated bikes and the new one: IMT Database (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4698.0)
Yeah, spam is here thanks to you. We know your bikes are out, it's written loud and clear in your (nicely moderated) forum section. No need to remind us it here. Thx.
Quote from: HornetMaX on March 16, 2017, 06:52:32 PM
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on March 16, 2017, 06:33:21 PM
The spam is here?
WSBK 2017 1.2 Released just now with a new nice bike ;D Have fun.
Link at the Database with updated bikes and the new one: IMT Database (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4698.0)
Yeah, spam is here thanks to you. We know your bikes are out, it's written loud and clear in your (nicely moderated) forum section. No need to remind us it here. Thx.
;D This is the people of GP Bikes! No a just thx, but this crap!
Wow a great community. Anyway I want to tell the rest of the IMT team, not to blame for these things, but to laugh about it as I do. If not 1 thx for the bikes, there isnt problems, the bikes are amazing guys, thx very much, my rule is just make the conversion at the best that i can, but the real work is the phisics and testing. ;D
Thx guys from Blacky <3
Una grandiosa community Vorrei dire al resto del team IMT di non prendersela per questa gente, io ci rido su, fatelo anche voi. Se non riceviamo un grazie non ci sono grossi problemi, le moto per me sono eccezzionali, il mio ruolo è fare solo le conversioni come meglio posso e la parte grafica ma il vero lavoro è il vostro su fisica e di test estenuanti
Grazie ragazzi da Ale <3
(almeno leggerete qualcosa di positivo :D )
Yeah is OT but i dont care this time.
I can definitely thank your team for the mods. All the rest is just in your head.
Quote from: Jose Reina on March 16, 2017, 02:04:09 PM
I think all bikes should be in the "BIKES" subforum, just like all the circuits, etc etc, for that they were created.
That :)
And all the while peterV quietly posts all we need to know about how to join his servers.. ;)
Might also be a good idea to have in-game links to all the content you need to be able to join a particular server.. maybe PiBoSo can help us out with that..
my opinion:
we have a good database where alle modded bikes of the actual beta of gp bikes are collected. very comfortable for everyone and it worked for years perfectly.
now we have some people who want to make their own database. ok for me but i dont give a sh*t about other databases than the old and well known "BIKE MOD".
why dont you create a new database for every class of bikes?!
its just stupid to split it into countless downloadsources.
do what you want but the result is, that i will not ride any bike of another database .
thank you for the work you have put into your bikes, but i will never know how they ride, because of you ego- and database problems...
its for me a point of principle:
do not feed stupid.
so, who has won what on this?
Quote from: JJS209 on March 19, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
... that i will not ride any bike of another database .
Its a your problem, not of the team.
Quote from: JJS209 on March 19, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
my opinion:
we have a good database where alle modded bikes of the actual beta of gp bikes are collected. very comfortable for everyone and it worked for years perfectly.
now we have some people who want to make their own database. ok for me but i dont give a sh*t about other databases than the old and well known "BIKE MOD".
why dont you create a new database for every class of bikes?!
its just stupid to split it into countless downloadsources.
do what you want but the result is, that i will not ride any bike of another database .
thank you for the work you have put into your bikes, but i will never know how they ride, because of you ego- and database problems...
its for me a point of principle:
do not feed stupid.
so, who has won what on this?
Just savage... Nicely said :D
Kiwi
Guys have released mods on other sites like Juju, Noss69, Jc21 over at Motonline, my boys Odi. Alle and Skerp did their thing over at the Italian forum. I never once heard a complaint about getting that content, so why is this a big deal. Yohji also releases his stuff on a different
forum. If you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it. Modders are always dropping links to their content.
I really see no harm done here.
Ciao a tutti!
Docfumi
Quote from: Docfumi on March 19, 2017, 12:41:26 PM
Guys have released mods on other sites like Juju, Noss69, Jc21 over at Motonline, my boys Odi. Alle and Skerp did their thing over at the Italian forum. I never once heard a complaint about getting that content, so why is this a big deal. Yohji also releases his stuff on a different
forum. If you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it. Modders are always dropping links to their content.
I really see no harm done here.
Only difference: other modders didn't ask for their mods to be
removed from the BikeMod.
But yeah, whatever ...
Quote from: HornetMaX on March 19, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
Quote from: Docfumi on March 19, 2017, 12:41:26 PM
Guys have released mods on other sites like Juju, Noss69, Jc21 over at Motonline, my boys Odi. Alle and Skerp did their thing over at the Italian forum. I never once heard a complaint about getting that content, so why is this a big deal. Yohji also releases his stuff on a different
forum. If you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it. Modders are always dropping links to their content.
I really see no harm done here.
Only difference: other modders didn't ask for their mods to be removed from the BikeMod.
But yeah, whatever ...
But why is that such a big problem, perhaps they don't want the mods scattered all over and feel it best if
all their mods were in one place as better to control it as far as updates and so on.
Again I see nothing wrong with wanting full control over what release.
Example: If I release a plug-in would you be okay with me putting it
in the same thread as Max-Hud? (BTW I love the new Max-Hud TY)
Dude I hope you get my point.
Ciao a tutti!
I publish the MaxHUD in my thread and that is the "official" place where to get it (just like the IMT thread is the "official" place where to get IMT mods).
But if Matty wants to add it to "his" database because it's better for the community then he doesn't even have to ask me: my stuff is published, anybody can link/republish.
If he asks me to publish only via his database I may say no (meaning I will keep posting my updates in my thread), but I honestly feel that I have no mean to "oblige" him to not put my stuff on his db (unless of course he says its his stuff, which is not the case).
Quote from: HornetMaX on March 19, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
Quote from: Docfumi on March 19, 2017, 12:41:26 PM
Guys have released mods on other sites like Juju, Noss69, Jc21 over at Motonline, my boys Odi. Alle and Skerp did their thing over at the Italian forum. I never once heard a complaint about getting that content, so why is this a big deal. Yohji also releases his stuff on a different
forum. If you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it. Modders are always dropping links to their content.
I really see no harm done here.
Only difference: other modders didn't ask for their mods to be removed from the BikeMod.
But yeah, whatever ...
You've got it Max. ;)
Shame others refuse see the point. ;)
It seems "disorganisation" and "let's all do our own thing" without thought for the community as a whole is the "flavour of the day" right now Max. If that's what they want then so be it. I'm just glad I got out the loop at the right time it seems..... Saw this all coming to be honest.... "One bad apple" and all that, you know? ::)
Hawk.
Quote from: Hawk on March 19, 2017, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on March 19, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
Quote from: Docfumi on March 19, 2017, 12:41:26 PM
Guys have released mods on other sites like Juju, Noss69, Jc21 over at Motonline, my boys Odi. Alle and Skerp did their thing over at the Italian forum. I never once heard a complaint about getting that content, so why is this a big deal. Yohji also releases his stuff on a different
forum. If you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it. Modders are always dropping links to their content.
I really see no harm done here.
Only difference: other modders didn't ask for their mods to be removed from the BikeMod.
But yeah, whatever ...
You've got it Max. ;)
Shame others refuse see the point. ;)
It seems "disorganisation" and "let's all do our own thing" without thought for the community as a whole is the "flavour of the day" right now Max. If that's what they want then so be it. I'm just glad I got out the loop at the right time it seems..... Saw this all coming to be honest.... "One bad apple" and all that, you know? ::)
Hawk.
And we all know how this could end. I mean, look at the MX Bikes forum 6 months ago... Just a bloody mess.
So which data base has the porn on it now??? ;D
I understand BOTH sides points and at the end of the day just hope we can discuss more important things like the price of eggs!!!
DD
everything should be in a single common database. mod teams should inform database admin about their updates. the other good way is in-game autodownload from server. the rest (like releasing on some other sites or databases or whatever) is stupid as hell and killing online. there is nothing else to discuss.
Exactly right.