We are glad to announce the release of that beautiful bike... APRILIA RSA 250 GP
(http://image.sportrider.com/f/27106160/146_1004_02_z+RSA250+right_side.jpg)
Phisycs and 3D Modeling : _oDi_
Sound : _oDi_, Buggi
Testers:_oDi_, Buggi, Skerp, ALEale, Alby46
DOWNLOAD http://gp-bikes-italia.forumfree.it/?t=68838016 (http://gp-bikes-italia.forumfree.it/?t=68838016)
with next updates we will release another 250 bikes to complete a entire bikeset
oh yeah, one more category:)
nice !!! :)
model from scratch ?
no ;)
Looks good.
What sound are you using? GP500?
sounds & phisycs from scratch
NICE.......can't wait for this.
Great !
This is fantastic news....Happy days.
Really like small capacity bikes :D
First post updated with link of the release!
Enjoy and give feedback HERE and not in PM to _oDi_ ..... THANKS
Quote from: ALEale on May 23, 2014, 07:26:20 AM
First post updated with link of the release!
Enjoy and give feedback HERE and not in PM to _oDi_ ..... THANKS
Perfect! so I just PM oDi... ahahah i' m joking ;) long life to GPB Italia !
Yeah good job Odi! Nice bike and good to drive.
But is the power right? It seems very quick for a 250! (I not driven one though). First lap at Silverstone was 2 seconds quicker than the 500!
yes, 100 kg x 110 hp
and the tires are not of 1994 ;)
exactly... tires change everythings...
example:
Track: Mugello
500gp 1994 pole position in 1:53:7
250gp 2007/2008 pole position in 1:52...
Quote from: ALEale on May 23, 2014, 09:28:27 AM
exactly... tires change everythings...
example:
Track: Mugello
500gp 1994 pole position in 1:53:7
250gp 2007/2008 pole position in 1:52...
this! the problem is not the power of RSA, but is the fact that you can' t judge two different bikes like these. they are two different worlds and times ;)
Really cool bike guys! Physics look good for me :)
Just noticed a little 3D problem (not very important) : a missing texture on the rear brake caliper :
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/486649screen250.png)
I really like the cockpit view, and this bike will be great for online races!
Congrats Odi and GP Bikes Italia staff :D
oh... damn texture >:(
ok thx RIccoChicco i will solve in next update ;)
Thanks a lot for this new bike.
I have 2 requests :
1 : There is a problem in onboard view and transparency of a "tube" in the left side :
(http://www.motonline-france.com/images/Alibaskins/screen067.jpg)
2 : Could you add a version number at your bikes ? Just better for future updates and stats.
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 10:50:28 AM
Thanks a lot for this new bike.
I have 2 requests :
1 : There is a problem in onboard view and transparency of a "tube" in the left side :
(http://www.motonline-france.com/images/Alibaskins/screen067.jpg)
2 : Could you add a version number at your bikes ? Just better for future updates and stats.
Ali you're not fast enough to give feedbak ahahahhaahahahahaahahha
Sorry i don't see this feedback before :s
And for versionning ?
The bike looks really good but I think that the sound is not "two-strokey" enough and the engine should be able to rev higher in my opinion (at least 16k).
Did you have a dyno chart of the RSA?
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
Sorry i don't see this feedback before :s
And for versionning ?
Aliba i'm joking :D
:P
But for versioning ?
It's possible ? Important for stats in fact : http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/ (http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/)
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 12:46:39 PM
:P
But for versioning ?
It's possible ? Important for stats in fact : http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/ (http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/)
so.... you would like to see Aprilia RSA250 v0.92 in the name?
Quote from: vin97 on May 23, 2014, 12:37:56 PM
The bike looks really good but I think that the sound is not "two-strokey" enough and the engine should be able to rev higher in my opinion (at least 16k).
Did you have a dyno chart of the RSA?
Aprila RSA 250 have around 110hp @ 13500rpm... limiter is fixed at 14000 rpm
You are right, I was thinking of the RSW.
...Rev limiter on a two stroke ::)
Anyway, do you plan on doing the TZ or RS 250?
Quote from: vin97 on May 23, 2014, 01:35:37 PM
You are right, I was thinking of the RSW.
...Rev limiter on a two stroke ::)
Anyway, do you plan on doing the TZ or RS 250?
maybe a day... :D
great job
Quote from: ALEale on May 23, 2014, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 12:46:39 PM
:P
But for versioning ?
It's possible ? Important for stats in fact : http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/ (http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/)
so.... you would like to see Aprilia RSA250 v0.92 in the name?
Yes.
And it's easy to know if we have the good version of a bike.
Atm when we have doubt, we re-download all bikes because we don't know whats is the version of the actual bike.
It's the same problem with tracks. Without version it's very complicated to manage all mods.
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: ALEale on May 23, 2014, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 12:46:39 PM
:P
But for versioning ?
It's possible ? Important for stats in fact : http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/ (http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/)
so.... you would like to see Aprilia RSA250 v0.92 in the name?
Yes.
And it's easy to know if we have the good version of a bike.
Atm when we have doubt, we re-download all bikes because we don't know whats is the version of the actual bike.
It's the same problem with tracks. Without version it's very complicated to manage all mods.
Alibaskins! on our forum. leave only the latest version so there are no problems, should you encounter compatibility problems. ;)
the link is not working :'(
oh yeeeaaaah downloading thanks :D
Quote from: skerp on May 23, 2014, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: ALEale on May 23, 2014, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 12:46:39 PM
:P
But for versioning ?
It's possible ? Important for stats in fact : http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/ (http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/)
so.... you would like to see Aprilia RSA250 v0.92 in the name?
Yes.
And it's easy to know if we have the good version of a bike.
Atm when we have doubt, we re-download all bikes because we don't know whats is the version of the actual bike.
It's the same problem with tracks. Without version it's very complicated to manage all mods.
Alibaskins! on our forum. leave only the latest version so there are no problems, should you encounter compatibility problems. ;)
It's not real.
You can't know if you have the good version on your hard disk. So you have to redownload all bikes all time because there isn't version. All bikes on your forum in your case. So boring.
Sorry, but i think it's a very big good thing to have a number version of a bike, a track or others things... See on HornetMax Plugin. There is a version. On gp-bikes alpha or beta there is a version... On phones (galaxys1.2.3.4.5, iphone1.2.3.4.5...). on Google Chrome... On all things in fact.
With a version all players will be happy. It's just a number for you. And a lot of GigaByte for all players. And for stats it will be very easy to see bike version.
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: skerp on May 23, 2014, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: ALEale on May 23, 2014, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: Alibaskins on May 23, 2014, 12:46:39 PM
:P
But for versioning ?
It's possible ? Important for stats in fact : http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/ (http://gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/)
so.... you would like to see Aprilia RSA250 v0.92 in the name?
Yes.
And it's easy to know if we have the good version of a bike.
Atm when we have doubt, we re-download all bikes because we don't know whats is the version of the actual bike.
It's the same problem with tracks. Without version it's very complicated to manage all mods.
Alibaskins! on our forum. leave only the latest version so there are no problems, should you encounter compatibility problems. ;)
It's not real.
You can't know if you have the good version on your hard disk. So you have to redownload all bikes all time because there isn't version. All bikes on your forum in your case. So boring.
Sorry, but i think it's a very big good thing to have a number version of a bike, a track or others things... See on HornetMax Plugin. There is a version. On gp-bikes alpha or beta there is a version... On phones (galaxys1.2.3.4.5, iphone1.2.3.4.5...). on Google Chrome... On all things in fact.
With a version all players will be happy. It's just a number for you. And a lot of GigaByte for all players. And for stats it will be very easy to see bike version.
ok Alibaskins, refer to oDi of this improvement, thanks for the support ;)
Thanks ^^
Sorry, it's not against you. It's really a good thing for all players.
Grazie raga!!!!!! I know what I´ll do after work :D . Thanks a lot! great work!
Version numbers are good when you have a slow connection.
Thanks for the new bike ;D downloading now /10mins from now
Thanks oDi and Italia......just ran out of fuel on Jerez ;D..... fantastic bike!!
I can only support what Ali said. With version numbers live would be much easier for hosters and players.
Even if the version number is only mentioned in the .ini files of the tracks and bikes it would help a lot.
Very nice bike.
Now there are 2 bikes in one (Gilera and Aprilia). Now we can wait for Honda GP250.
BTW. Only me had a problem during trying to watch the replay after riding GP250?
If you mean the Nose camera not working, then no, it's not just you.
The bike is amazing guys. rides wonderfull. This was the bike I wanted the most in the game and it didnt dissapoint.
This bike is brilliant! Fast too lol fantastic to have a 250cc in gpbikes! Thanks guys 8)
hey guys ..thnx for the bike ! realy nice/ it looks stuning ..only ..the sound is the most enoying sound ever.. but i only have driven a aprillia 250 road version ...and that one was not even close to this performance .. i was testing the bike on Jerez ..noticed that i am goinig round with a 250 faster then a 600 ???
Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 24, 2014, 02:54:53 AM
hey guys ..thnx for the bike ! realy nice/ it looks stuning ..only ..the sound is the most enoying sound ever.. but i only have driven a aprillia 250 road version ...and that one was not even close to this performance .. i was testing the bike on Jerez ..noticed that i am goinig round with a 250 faster then a 600 ???
That's because the 250 race bike had less weight and awesome power
Wow, this is great! cant wait to ride it! :) :) :) :)
This bike handles a little too well?, its only 4 seconds off the motogp bikes pace and is lapping the same
times as the 500cc GP bikes.
It handles better than 125cc?
Can I add this to the next Bike MOD release? :)
Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 24, 2014, 02:54:53 AM
hey guys ..thnx for the bike ! realy nice/ it looks stuning ..only ..the sound is the most enoying sound ever.. but i only have driven a aprillia 250 road version ...and that one was not even close to this performance .. i was testing the bike on Jerez ..noticed that i am goinig round with a 250 faster then a 600 ???
Quote from: rodney007 on May 24, 2014, 06:43:46 AM
Wow, this is great! cant wait to ride it! :) :) :) :)
This bike handles a little too well?, its only 4 seconds off the motogp bikes pace and is lapping the same
times as the 500cc GP bikes.
It handles better than 125cc?
(http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/21/lol-gif-35.gif)
Quote from: Klax75 on May 24, 2014, 09:12:52 AM
Can I add this to the next Bike MOD release? :)
Sure Klax! :)
Thanks!
Quote from: _oDi_ on May 24, 2014, 09:24:18 AM
Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 24, 2014, 02:54:53 AM
hey guys ..thnx for the bike ! realy nice/ it looks stuning ..only ..the sound is the most enoying sound ever.. but i only have driven a aprillia 250 road version ...and that one was not even close to this performance .. i was testing the bike on Jerez ..noticed that i am goinig round with a 250 faster then a 600 ???
Quote from: rodney007 on May 24, 2014, 06:43:46 AM
Wow, this is great! cant wait to ride it! :) :) :) :)
This bike handles a little too well?, its only 4 seconds off the motogp bikes pace and is lapping the same
times as the 500cc GP bikes.
It handles better than 125cc?
(http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/21/lol-gif-35.gif)
Quote from: Klax75 on May 24, 2014, 09:12:52 AM
Can I add this to the next Bike MOD release? :)
Sure Klax! :)
aaahahahaha i love that gif
I feel silly, I didn't know they were actually that fast! infact the lap the same times as the 500 GP bikes!!!!
and only 4 seconds off the pace of current MotoGP bikes... that is just CRAZY!
Great mod!
Jup find it a realy OP bike. But somebody please ;D fix the sound.. 8)
What`s wrong with the sound? I think it`s awesome. oDi did a really good job on it considering the limited recourses we have to make decent sounds.
Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 24, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
Jup find it a realy OP bike. But somebody please ;D fix the sound.. 8)
Just tested this bike myself.... Great MOD guys, but I have to agree with GhostdogNL about the sound. At tick-over it sounds like a 4 stroke and it is missing that raspy 2 stroke noise that is such a characteristic of a 2 stroke engine. Compare with the real sound and you'll hear what I'm trying to explain:
https://www.youtube.com/v/laC_U5zQ398
Also I feel that the physics need tweaking as I was testing on Victoria and found the front end was very twitchy and nervous as though I was riding on a bad track surface the front end slid away on several occasions for no good reasons, and we all know that Victoria is probably one of the best track surfaces around at this moment. :)
Hope you guys will take my comments above as they are intended, as constructive criticism, only intended to improve a great bike MOD. ;)
Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 24, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
Jup find it a realy OP bike. But somebody please ;D fix the sound.. 8)
You can change the sound with a copy of engine.scl and .wav file of other 500 of the game.
It's very difficult to play with the actual sound. It's like there is 2 sounds in a same time.
But i know it's very difficult to do a good sound... It's not a reproach of course ^^
Quote from: rodney007 on May 24, 2014, 12:37:53 PM
I feel silly, I didn't know they were actually that fast! infact the lap the same times as the 500 GP bikes!!!!
and only 4 seconds off the pace of current MotoGP bikes... that is just CRAZY!
Great mod!
LOL. maybe you have not read the previous posts... the Aprilia RSA 250 2008 is faster than a GP500 even in real life, 1 or 2 second .
And only 1 second (or less) slower than 2003 MotoGP.
MotoGP 2003 Mugello : 1:51.927
250 2008 Mugello : 1:52.675
For sound complain, is very weird.We checked all, and the there is no overlap, maybe you have problems in your folder. Anyway I like, as well as physics, and this is important. If You do not like you are free to make your own 250, I do not care;)
I also think that the sound needs to be changed.
In my opinion we also need a different sound for partly opened throttle on two strokes.
Anyway, as I said in the NSR 500 topic, it would be really great if we had more lean angle on the 500.
You people have no idea how hard it is to create a good sound. The sound is perfect for what options we have with the sound engine. The things you guys ask for are just not possible with the sound engine gp bikes uses, or at least not as easy to do as you guys might think. Give oDi a break, he did amazing on the 250 sound. When is it ever going to be good enough?
Agree, the amount of work needed to make new physics + new sound + 3D model is really big. Odi made an impressive job in only few weeks, so you can thank him :)
Quote from: JamoZ on May 24, 2014, 04:47:37 PM
You people have no idea how hard it is to create a good sound. The sound is perfect for what options we have with the sound engine. The things you guys ask for are just not possible with the sound engine gp bikes uses, or at least not as easy to do as you guys might think. Give oDi a break, he did amazing on the 250 sound. When is it ever going to be good enough?
+1
I love this rsa250, the physics the modelling even the sound to which I can understand could be personal preference is all good to me man.
Thank you very much odi and team. So sweeeeeeeet!
Although I am not really into small bikes - It is REALLY a great mod! Sound is always personal taste, but ok imho. The bike itself is just awesome, nicely modeled - I want to thank you guys especially for making a beautiful cockpit. Imo, a bike mod is not worth much if it hasn't a nice cockpit for onboard racing!
Great job by all involved!!!
Quote from: _oDi_ on May 24, 2014, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: rodney007 on May 24, 2014, 12:37:53 PM
I feel silly, I didn't know they were actually that fast! infact the lap the same times as the 500 GP bikes!!!!
and only 4 seconds off the pace of current MotoGP bikes... that is just CRAZY!
Great mod!
LOL. maybe you have not read the previous posts... the Aprilia RSA 250 2008 is faster than a GP500 even in real life, 1 or 2 second .
And only 1 second (or less) slower than 2003 MotoGP.
MotoGP 2003 Mugello : 1:51.927
250 2008 Mugello : 1:52.675
Ok im not talking about motogp lol.. but i was at Aintree circuit last week.. i watched my friend win all his races on a 250 against supersport 600 bikes! lol great to watch.. corner speed is amazing on a 250!
Where's the 6 postion TC and anti wheelie? probily esyer to rename the bike to the older V or W
Quote from: RBp on May 25, 2014, 06:04:22 AM
Where's the 6 postion TC and anti wheelie? probily esyer to rename the bike to the older V or W
Where? Look in your hands
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091005095343/nonciclopedia/images/3/39/Mano_che_fa_bla_bla.gif)
Quote from: _oDi_ on May 25, 2014, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: RBp on May 25, 2014, 06:04:22 AM
Where's the 6 postion TC and anti wheelie? probily esyer to rename the bike to the older V or W
Where? Look in your hands
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091005095343/nonciclopedia/images/3/39/Mano_che_fa_bla_bla.gif)
Ahahahahhaaahahahahhahahahhahahhaahha King of the GIF
are you sure they did have tc and anti-wheelie?
Your bike is awesome guys! I totally love it, from what I head it doesn't seem overpowerd to me. Don't get the problems some guys have. Normally I hate those little bikes because they are so easy to ride you have to push the hell out of them to get some good times. But compared to the 125cc it is quite stable even under heavy load.
TC and AW? you sure guys? I don't even get the bike to make a wheelie, even less have the rear slip away...
I like the physics, feels stiff and light, thanks for the work
nice bike, but it doesn't feel right, when u release throttle while leaning, u fall off.. lol realistic ::)
Quote from: BeukeR on May 25, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
nice bike, but it doesn't feel right, when u release throttle while leaning, u fall off.. lol realistic ::)
never happened O.O sure you have 250cc bike from gpb italia? ahaha :)
Odi, I have noticed some little bugs in 3d model like texture missing, rear axis which turns with the wheel, 2 times same object and steering damper which goes through the fairing
(http://zupimages.net/up/14/21/rfm0.png)
otherwise very cool bike thx 8)
Quote from: fabio93bg on May 25, 2014, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: BeukeR on May 25, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
nice bike, but it doesn't feel right, when u release throttle while leaning, u fall off.. lol realistic ::)
never happened O.O sure you have 250cc bike from gpb italia? ahaha :)
who is u? :"_)
Quote from: BeukeR on May 25, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
nice bike, but it doesn't feel right, when u release throttle while leaning, u fall off.. lol realistic ::)
Soooooooooo constructive comment. If you don't like it, don't ride it and feel free to make something better...
Quote from: JC#21 on May 25, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
Odi, I have noticed some little bugs in 3d model like texture missing, rear axis which turns with the wheel, 2 times same object and steering damper which goes through the fairing
(http://zupimages.net/up/14/21/rfm0.png)
otherwise very cool bike thx 8)
Ehy Jc, yes yes.. Ricco told me already in previous post ;) for the front fairing is weird because i have not retouched the 3d... maybe a original bug :-\
i will fix in the next update, thx :)
Quote from: BeukeR on May 25, 2014, 04:43:29 PM
Quote from: fabio93bg on May 25, 2014, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: BeukeR on May 25, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
nice bike, but it doesn't feel right, when u release throttle while leaning, u fall off.. lol realistic ::)
never happened O.O sure you have 250cc bike from gpb italia? ahaha :)
who is u? :"_)
And U?
Quote from: RiccoChicco on May 25, 2014, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: BeukeR on May 25, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
nice bike, but it doesn't feel right, when u release throttle while leaning, u fall off.. lol realistic ::)
Soooooooooo constructive comment. If you don't like it, don't ride it and feel free to make something better...
Why so mad? if u can't take criticism, stop replying, I just give u my opinion and thaughts about how I expierenced this bike. no need to get all winded up n shit, I'm not like those forumsheeps who think everything is a great job.
I just tell u whats on my mind, like it or not.
So why to tell that in this way???
Quote from: BeukeR on May 25, 2014, 05:08:24 PM
lol realistic ::)
Do you think that it's respectful?
About "forumsheeps" : That's what I call a good mind! A great pleasure to see that in our community! ::)
Maybe you've released some stuff for GPB? No. Easy to make criticism from that side ;)
Even if you don't like someone's job, you can thank him for the lot of time took to brings things for free to the community and stay correct with them.
Quote from: ALEale on May 23, 2014, 07:26:20 AM
First post updated with link of the release!
Enjoy and give feedback HERE and not in PM to _oDi_ ..... THANKS
you see this Ricco ?
the ASK for feedback ..thats what everyone is doing ..
And Beuker said nice bike by the way .
Giving feedback is always OK, giving it in a (potentially unintentional) over-sarcastic manner may be misunderstood.
Also, it is technically possible that releasing throttle while leaning you lose the front: if you want a technical explanation of why this can happen, feel free to ask.
MaX.
I DO like this bike, but theres just a little hiccup with steering/leaning/releasing the throttle(IN MY EXPERIENCE)!!!!!!!
The bike feels very stable and u can go through corners like a madman but,,, if u have to steer/brake/lean in a corner because someone is overtaking u or because u run wide or wobble etc etc, u are on the floor..
everyone happy now?! <3
:-* :-* :-*
Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 25, 2014, 08:00:13 PM
Quote from: ALEale on May 23, 2014, 07:26:20 AM
First post updated with link of the release!
Enjoy and give feedback HERE and not in PM to _oDi_ ..... THANKS
you see this Ricco ?
the ASK for feedback ..thats what everyone is doing ..
And Beuker said nice bike by the way .
Didn't see that, that's why I didn't do it few posts before... ::)
It was more the way to explain the feeling about the bike.
If everyone is happy like that, that's cool, debate closed :-* :-* :-*
in'Italy we do not made the bike easy, fast bikes we do, this is our tradition ... only serve the heart and balls! that's all.
Thanx Ricco for the understanding !
the thing is ..for a lot of people english is not there native ..like me ..beuker you aslo Ricco .
and we all try hard to explane what we mean .
so if we all start reading post with the idea that people mean the the things well the putt down in the post ..whe are there !
anyhow .. i agree with beuker about the physics ..and a lot others about the sound .... is it a idea to youse the 125 sound and make it a bit heavyer ??? cause in real life the sounds of a 125 and the 250 are almost the same ..
then a other thing ..somebody said the 250 is having 110 hp ..oke ..but a 600RR ninja is having 120 some arround there .. why is that one not popping auto wheely`s in 3th gear .?
anyway next to all my bitching and moawning .. i still love the bike and bike`s and wanna thank al the people that are working there asses of to make this all possibole !
Greets Ghost
Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 26, 2014, 12:21:47 AM
somebody said the 250 is having 110 hp ..oke ..but a 600RR ninja is having 120 some arround there .. why is that one not popping auto wheely`s in 3th gear .?
Not the same weight, not the same geometry, ...
MaX.
2 stroke for the ****** win :)
Quote from: JamoZ on May 26, 2014, 12:27:32 AM
2 stroke for the ****** win :)
I count 6 * characters, so it can't be the f-word (or one of its multiple forms) ... cancer win maybe ? :)
MaX.
Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 26, 2014, 12:21:47 AM
then a other thing ..somebody said the 250 is having 110 hp ..oke ..but a 600RR ninja is having 120 some arround there .. why is that one not popping auto wheely`s in 3th gear .?
The standard Yamaha TZ250 that I ride in real life (about 80/85 hp and 102kg) wheelies way more easily than my track R6. The aprilia is 20-30% more horsepower than that so I would expect it to wheelie very very easily.
I think the main reason with the TZ wheeling much more than my R6 is that because the bike is so light, the center of gravity of the bike AND rider together is probably the same height if not higher than with a 600. Combined with a shorter wheelbase, it wheelies more. Same issue with an aprilia I guess.
The acceleration itself is very close to my R6 (not more) so it's not because of the power. It's a geometry thing.
Oke thnx . ;D
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 26, 2014, 01:02:32 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on May 26, 2014, 12:27:32 AM
2 stroke for the ****** win :)
I count 6 * characters, so it can't be the f-word (or one of its multiple forms) ... cancer win maybe ? :)
MaX.
LOL ;D
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 26, 2014, 01:02:32 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on May 26, 2014, 12:27:32 AM
2 stroke for the ****** win :)
I count 6 * characters, so it can't be the f-word (or one of its multiple forms) ... cancer win maybe ? :)
MaX.
2 stroke for the fuck!n win :}
Quote from: BeukeR on May 26, 2014, 03:20:55 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 26, 2014, 01:02:32 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on May 26, 2014, 12:27:32 AM
2 stroke for the ****** win :)
I count 6 * characters, so it can't be the f-word (or one of its multiple forms) ... cancer win maybe ? :)
MaX.
2 stroke for the fuck!n win :}
fuck!n has a fuck!n
' apostrophe ! 8)
MaX.
I was thinking the same as Beuker, didn't notice the apostrophe :o
Well played Max, well played...
Fantastic work, thanks
Quote from: BeukeR on May 25, 2014, 08:28:42 PM
I DO like this bike, but theres just a little hiccup with steering/leaning/releasing the throttle(IN MY EXPERIENCE)!!!!!!!
The bike feels very stable and u can go through corners like a madman but,,, if u have to steer/brake/lean in a corner because someone is overtaking u or because u run wide or wobble etc etc, u are on the floor..
everyone happy now?! <3
the same things that say the noobs who try the demo with the 125. Lol ::) :P
however, I fixed the problems with the 3d, who wants can re-download, there will be no datamismatch on servers.
Thanks Odi :)
With a number version for the new bike ? ::)
ahaha no Sorry Aliba... editing text files, there would be datamismatches on all servers .. I prefer to defer to the next update. Promised :)
Quote from: _oDi_ on May 26, 2014, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: BeukeR on May 25, 2014, 08:28:42 PM
I DO like this bike, but theres just a little hiccup with steering/leaning/releasing the throttle(IN MY EXPERIENCE)!!!!!!!
The bike feels very stable and u can go through corners like a madman but,,, if u have to steer/brake/lean in a corner because someone is overtaking u or because u run wide or wobble etc etc, u are on the floor..
everyone happy now?! <3
the same things that say the noobs who try the demo with the 125. Lol ::) :P
Lol, what are u on about? you gotta be kidding me right?
Loop has a nice and very stable setup for the GP250, ask him or me if you see us online.
We can provide you with it so you have a good time while riding ;)
This is a little late but here are the dyno charts of the RSA, RSW and the reed valve Derbi 125 of Lorenzo (at least the important part :D).
Since the RSA/RSW 250 used the same cylinders and pipes as the 125, their power curve would be the same multiplied by 2.
(http://i.imgur.com/X8IsktE.png)
Quote from: vin97 on May 28, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
This is a little late but here are the dyno charts of the RSA, RSW and the reed valve Derbi 125 of Lorenzo (at least the important part :D).
Since the RSA/RSW 250 used the same cylinders and pipes as the 125, their power curve would be the same multiplied by 2.
Wow, that's quite an approximation for we nitpickers out here ...
MaX.
The RSA 250 is literally RSA 125 times 2. Port maps, cylinder heads, pipes, cylinders, everything is exactly the same.
In fact the RSA cylinders were originally developed for the 250 and then later copied for the 125.
Quote from: vin97 on May 29, 2014, 12:06:10 AM
The RSA 250 is literally RSA 125 times 2. Port maps, cylinder heads, pipes, cylinders, everything is exactly the same.
In fact the RSA cylinders were originally developed for the 250 and then later copied for the 125.
What about crankshaft inertia ? Breaking torque ? Engine weight ?
Not everything scale linearly, would be too easy.
MaX.
I was talking about the dyno chart/power curve. Nothing else.
Quote from: vin97 on May 28, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
This is a little late but here are the dyno charts of the RSA, RSW and the reed valve Derbi 125 of Lorenzo (at least the important part :D).
Since the RSA/RSW 250 used the same cylinders and pipes as the 125, their power curve would be the same multiplied by 2.
(http://i.imgur.com/X8IsktE.png)
(http://crossfitrevenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/are-you-serious-wtf-meme-baby-face.jpg)
Quote from: vin97 on May 29, 2014, 12:06:10 AM
The RSA 250 is literally RSA 125 times 2. Port maps, cylinder heads, pipes, cylinders, everything is exactly the same.
In fact the RSA cylinders were originally developed for the 250 and then later copied for the 125.
(http://www.themoatblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/keep-calm-try-again.jpg)
;D
Quote from: vin97 on May 29, 2014, 12:17:17 AM
I was talking about the dyno chart/power curve. Nothing else.
Yeah but the dyno chart power curve depends on some of the stuff I mentioned.
But don't worry, oDi knows what he's doing about this stuff.
MaX.
well said Max... also having the same parts (and anyway, has happened only in some cases), it does not mean much ... because the architecture of the engine is different
I give up on you, these information come directly from Jan Thiel and Frits Overmars.
Anyway, Max, what you mentioned does not change the power curve, only how fast the engine revs.
Quote from: vin97 on May 29, 2014, 12:45:32 PM
I give up on you, these information come directly from Jan Thiel and Frits Overmars.
Anyway, Max, what you mentioned does not change the power curve, only how fast the engine revs.
i Know Jan Thiel on FB... and trust me, he does not draw a torque curve of 250, doubling that of the 125 ;) is not so simple
Quote from: vin97 on May 29, 2014, 12:45:32 PM
I give up on you, these information come directly from Jan Thiel and Frits Overmars.
Anyway, Max, what you mentioned does not change the power curve, only how fast the engine revs.
Are you sure ? You think the internal friction is the same between the two engines (1 cyl and 2x1 cyl) ?
MaX.
I feel like this is going in the wrong direction. I don't want to fight with you.
It's an approximation, yes, but in my opinion it's good enough for our purposes.
Something different: Have you thought about making the RSW 500 or NSR500V? It would be quite interesting racing the other 500s with these bikes because of the differences in power and weight (and tyres).
Jerez:
1'46.173 Moto3 Q 2014
1'43.118 WSS Q 2013
1'42.925 WSS GP Bikes
1'42.766 Moto2 Q 2014
~1'42.000 "RSA 250 GP" GP BIkes
1'38.120 MotoGP Q 2014
Not too fast?
filipw2: it depends what compound you use
Quote from: filipw2 on May 29, 2014, 06:56:13 PM
Jerez:
1'46.173 Moto3 Q 2014
1'43.118 WSS Q 2013
1'42.925 WSS GP Bikes
1'42.766 Moto2 Q 2014
~1'42.000 "RSA 250 GP" GP BIkes
1'38.120 MotoGP Q 2014
Not too fast?
it makes no sense compare with the real actual times, also the Murasama (a Motogp from 2003) runs in 1.25 to phillip island.... and the real record is 1.28.108 (and with a 2013 bike...)
however, in 2008 the 250 runs in 1:43 in Jerez ;)
Quote from: filipw2 on May 29, 2014, 06:56:13 PM
Jerez:
1'46.173 Moto3 Q 2014
1'43.118 WSS Q 2013
1'42.925 WSS GP Bikes
1'42.766 Moto2 Q 2014
~1'42.000 "RSA 250 GP" GP BIkes
1'38.120 MotoGP Q 2014
Not too fast?
Close enough id say..
Besides a few years back now the 250's were only a couple of seconds slower than the full gp bikes..
As iv already said my mate beat a full grid of 600's on his 250! Capable little bikes!
Quote from: filipw2 on May 29, 2014, 06:56:13 PM
Jerez:
1'46.173 Moto3 Q 2014
1'43.118 WSS Q 2013
1'42.925 WSS GP Bikes
1'42.766 Moto2 Q 2014
~1'42.000 "RSA 250 GP" GP BIkes
1'38.120 MotoGP Q 2014
Not too fast?
Sure too fast... Uninstall it -.-'
We definitely need a 500 with better tyres.
The NSR is so ridiculously slow in corners even though it weighs less than the 600.
I know that even in 2002 the tyres were not that good but we could just call it call it 'Suter 500' and have at least Moto2 corner speeds.
Quote from: vin97 on May 29, 2014, 08:22:11 PM
We definitely need a 500 with better tyres.
The NSR is so ridiculously slow in corners even though it weighs less than the 600.
I know that even in 2002 the tyres were not that good but we could just call it call it 'Suter 500' and have at least Moto2 corner speeds.
The current NSR500 is only a Cagiva V594 with make-up ... so the tires are of 1994 :)
Quote from: _oDi_ on May 29, 2014, 07:16:36 PM
Quote from: filipw2 on May 29, 2014, 06:56:13 PM
Jerez:
1'46.173 Moto3 Q 2014
1'43.118 WSS Q 2013
1'42.925 WSS GP Bikes
1'42.766 Moto2 Q 2014
~1'42.000 "RSA 250 GP" GP BIkes
1'38.120 MotoGP Q 2014
Not too fast?
it makes no sense compare with the real actual times, also the Murasama (a Motogp from 2003) runs in 1.25 to phillip island.... and the real record is 1.28.108 (and with a 2013 bike...)
however, in 2008 the 250 runs in 1:43 in Jerez ;)
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| Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo) |
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| 337.9 | 1'27.899 |
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Sorry the chat came out weird. I remember Lorezno saying he didn't think that kind of lap time was possible outside playing on the Playstation. This was on the resurfaced Philip Island that was destroying tires. I think tires in GP Bikes in general have way to much grip. Since were are modeled after a 11 year old bike but hitting lap times faster easily then they do in reality.
they hit 1.31 or something like that in 2003
well i feel a little stupid by only doing 1,41 with the gp bike and 1.42 with 250 (with lots and lots to improve ) on jerez xD i actualy would like to see the 500s with nice tyres aswell like a modern version of the 2 strokes like this 250 :P
1.42 at jerez is a monster time, i was talking about phillip island times
my mistake not 1.42. 1.43
Quote from: Daniel_Fi actualy would like to see the 500s with nice tyres aswell like a modern version of the 2 strokes like this 250 :P
Yes and we could justify corner speeds higher than those of current Moto2 bikes by making the Suter 500.
.....Ooooor, just edit the current 500 physics file a little bit to allow for higher leaning angles, which would be more than fine with me :D
Thanks for release :)
That´s a big surprise returning from holiday and wwoooooaaaaa the 250 Aprilia is on display!
Thank´s a lot. Can´t wait to ride (fight?) the beast ;)
Quote from: C21 on May 30, 2014, 03:33:25 PM
Thanks for release :)
That´s a big surprise returning from holiday and wwoooooaaaaa the 250 Aprilia is on display!
Thank´s a lot. Can´t wait to ride (fight?) the beast ;)
thx C21, yes the baby it is a bit 'nervous :P
and, you know, you can contact me in p.m. for the more specific technical suggestions :) (to avoid "controversy" here)
I will do i promise ;D
Will give it a try at the weekend...
http://gp-bikes-italia.forumfree.it/?t=68838016
General debugging of physics
fix rain tyres
version of the bike in the name
8)
Thank you :-)
thanks
Thx oDi 8)
Thanks Boss. ;)
Hey _oDi_ I downloaded the update.. Thanks!
I notice riding onboard the shadow is just a headless guy with no bike hahahahaha made me laugh! :D
Just thought id let u know anyway..
Hi BOB,
have you got a screenshot or a video where we can see this ?
MaX.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on June 17, 2014, 05:33:28 AM
Hey _oDi_ I downloaded the update.. Thanks!
I notice riding onboard the shadow is just a headless guy with no bike hahahahaha made me laugh! :D
Just thought id let u know anyway..
Yes is a know bug, it also happens with other mods.
Is there a post in the bugs section ? It's probably worth ...
MaX.
it only happens with some mods .. so I think it's a problem of the mod and not of gpbikes ... just do a serious debugging, but takes time :/
Thanks!!
This bike is great! THX guys
Just tested the update (2.55) and this bike is AWESOME!!!
Great work, grazie!!!
Quote from: Alone on February 14, 2015, 01:38:48 PM
Just tested the update (2.55) and this bike is AWESOME!!!
Great work, grazie!!!
+1
We need a 250cc Championship don't you think? ;D 8)
Hawk.
Thanks oDi ;)
Quote from: Hawk_UK on February 14, 2015, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Alone on February 14, 2015, 01:38:48 PM
Just tested the update (2.55) and this bike is AWESOME!!!
Great work, grazie!!!
+1
We need a 250cc Championship don't you think? ;D 8)
Hawk.
+1 for both! 8)
Thanks guys. Is a good bike, but I still have to work on it.
In the future I hope to add the Honda 250 so as to have more interesting championships ;) 8)
Hellooo ;)
Loving this bike but the engine idles very high! 7-8000rpm.. It pushes the bike forward on the brakes.. Also makes me run wide in corners a little bit.
Can the revs be lowered at all?
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on June 08, 2015, 10:35:22 AM
Hellooo ;)
Loving this bike but the engine idles very high! 7-8000rpm.. It pushes the bike forward on the brakes.. Also makes me run wide in corners a little bit.
Can the revs be lowered at all?
have you tried other bikes, to check if they have the same problem? i don't have any problem with the rsa
Gd morning!
Its not really a problem.. The bike handles very nice still, I just dont understand why the revs wont go below 7000rpm! Surely its too high?
I understand the 250 has little engine braking and runs lean.. But, 7000rpm is pretty high.
Does nobody else have this??
I don´t have the bike in front of me (no PC with GPB installed) but as i think about your concern: (and looking into some files... ::) )
the tachometer begins from 7000 to 17000 , it does not mean that the bike did not rev below 7000, the revs are not displayed on the counter/HUD. ;)
And yes all of us have this tiny little "problem" ;D
Ok thanks C21 ;)
So 7000rpm is the equivalent to??
Il upload a little video later..
Basicly when I spawn into pit lane.. The engine is ticking over just fine!
If I rev the bike once, it shoots up to 7000 and stays there.
Its just weird :o
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on June 09, 2015, 09:14:20 AM
Il upload a little video later..
Basicly when I spawn into pit lane.. The engine is ticking over just fine!
If I rev the bike once, it shoots up to 7000 and stays there.
Its just weird :o
It's because you have those huge "Hulk"grip hands. lol
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on June 09, 2015, 09:14:20 AM
Il upload a little video later..
Basicly when I spawn into pit lane.. The engine is ticking over just fine!
If I rev the bike once, it shoots up to 7000 and stays there.
Its just weird :o
Confirmed - leave garage to pit road - idling at (external view) 5000rpm / (onboard view) 4000rpm (where the tacho starts actual revs might be lower)
Give it a rev - idle changes to (external view) 7000rpm / (onboard view) 8500rpm.
oh...maybe i misunderstood you issue... :o
Nope.. Im shit at explaining things! :-\
Quote from: Klax75 on June 09, 2015, 09:23:10 AM
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on June 09, 2015, 09:14:20 AM
Il upload a little video later..
Basicly when I spawn into pit lane.. The engine is ticking over just fine!
If I rev the bike once, it shoots up to 7000 and stays there.
Its just weird :o
It's because you have those huge "Hulk"grip hands. lol
Haahaha my hands are screwed.. I predict arthritus very soon ::)
Point of tacho interest: other bikes when revved will hold this slightly higher idle speed for a second or two but will then then drop back to lower 'normal' idle (much like real bikes :D).
;)
I can confirm the strange behavior also after testing the RSA.
Forget what i said before....missed the point.. :)
Once revved the idle return to 7000 rpm.
switched into 1st then stopped and switched back to neutral the engine revs at the desired idle speed.
once revved passed 7000 rpm the idle returns to 7000..... :o
..had this in B4b once...brake torque was incorrect...don´t know if its the same here..
QuoteGive it a rev - idle changes to (external view) 7000rpm / (onboard view) 8500rpm.
update: not resolved with V1.1 :-[
@ GPB Italia BikeMOD Team: We are really missing your bikeMODS....... I presume you guys are awaiting the release of Beta 8 before updating your BikeMOD sets? Just that we haven't heard of any updates for beta 7 since it was released. ;)
Any approx. time-frame for the updates once beta 8 released?
Hawk.
We didn't know how long does it takes update all our mods... We will wait b8 e will see... We are Not much motivated in this months... :(
Quote from: ALEale on January 21, 2016, 08:07:03 PM
We didn't know how long does it takes update all our mods... We will wait b8 e will see... We are Not much motivated in this months... :(
Thanks ALE. ;)
Hopefully beta 8 will provide the required motivation.... I think it will be the one we've really been waiting for(hopefully). ;)
Hawk.
I understand you, i am bored of waiting severals months... even years...
Quote from: ludo05 on January 22, 2016, 05:50:50 PM
I understand you, i am bored of waiting severals months... even years...
+1.. :(
Hi there
They will update this fantastic bike to use in the beta 8?
if GP Bikes Italia members are notime to modding it because busy, I would adapting it for beta8.
could I ?
Quote from: Yohji on February 26, 2016, 01:02:39 PM
if GP Bikes Italia members are notime to modding it because busy, I would adapting it for beta8.
could I ?
no Sorry ;) we will work on our bikes as soon as possible...
tranks :)
sure I got it 8)
Please, could anyone reupload this bike? :-) thanks
Kenny - you need to only download bikes that are Beta 8 capable unless you are using old B6c game ?
This is the problem with forum links to bikes all over the place. And still it goes on...
You might like to start here http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=431.0 so you can find the official links to tracks and Bikes.
If you think there is not much it is because the old ones are being converted to make them work in Beta 8. Not a quick job... but happening.
I just uploaded BikeMod 1.85 that Matty will be releasing tomorrow. With paints btw.
DD
Thanks guys for the info :-)
ill be waiting