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Title: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on May 28, 2014, 11:30:56 PM
This topic is for your comments on MaxTM.

It has been the first time I've used Qt so be gentle. If you haven't understood the Qt bit in the last sentence you're not a nerdy geek, no big deal, just skip it.

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: LauZzZn on June 03, 2014, 02:39:01 PM
Is it working for Kartracing Pro,too?
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on June 03, 2014, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: LauZzZn on June 03, 2014, 02:39:01 PM
Is it working for Kartracing Pro,too?

Not the version currently out (v1.1), but I have one almost ready and it is working with KRP too. So it's gonna come soon ...

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Desteban on September 13, 2014, 11:49:55 AM
Very nice Max, thx!
Tried it with the R6 on Jerez and worked like a charm.
Since I had some trouble with setup I wanted to use it for the RSA250 @ A1 Ring but unfortunately I can't get the Viewer working.
I don't know why, when I load the telemetry files I can see the lap times but it won't show the map nor the suspension/speed/brake....
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on September 13, 2014, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: Desteban on September 13, 2014, 11:49:55 AM
Very nice Max, thx!
Tried it with the R6 on Jerez and worked like a charm.
Since I had some trouble with setup I wanted to use it for the RSA250 @ A1 Ring but unfortunately I can't get the Viewer working.
I don't know why, when I load the telemetry files I can see the lap times but it won't show the map nor the suspension/speed/brake....
Hi Desteban, seems to work fine for me (only tried offline).

Wild guess (well, not so wild): did you move the telemetry files to another folder before opening them ? If yes, did you remember to move both the .info.bin and .data.bin file ?

What you're experiencing happens when you only move the .info.bin file.

MaX.

P.S.
Having a single file (instead of the current 2) per run is on my todo list. Iwas sure that having 2 was a source of troubles, but ...
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Desteban on September 13, 2014, 11:04:41 PM
No I didn't even move the files anywhere, both files still in the directory. I open the run straight out of the "Piboso/GP Bikes/MaxTM" folder. Had a bunch of runs I could select with that combo but none did work.

Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on September 13, 2014, 11:38:31 PM
Weird.

Can you send e the files (zip all of them into an archive) ?

I'll PM you my email.

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on September 13, 2014, 11:51:15 PM
Oh, I just tried on A1 ring (before I tried on Noss's version, on which everything is OK) and I have the same issue.

I'll have a look.

BTW, the A1 ring has the pitlane not correctly defined I think (fall in pitlane = respawn on track). Bad for racing ...

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Desteban on September 14, 2014, 12:56:51 PM
ah okay, so it is an issue with the track and not with the files. Or do you still want an email with the files?

Thx Max  :)
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on September 14, 2014, 06:34:55 PM
Quote from: Desteban on September 14, 2014, 12:56:51 PM
ah okay, so it is an issue with the track and not with the files. Or do you still want an email with the files?

Thx Max  :)
Finally got 10min of spare time: there was a bug in the viewer when the track name contains a ".". Should be solved in v1.6

Thx Desteban for reporting the issue. Also, if you have any idea/wishes and general comments (compared to the telemetry software you use in real life), do no hesitate to speak up :)

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Desteban on September 14, 2014, 07:21:06 PM
Thx mate! Much appreciated!
I can see the values in your Viewer so I am totally happy for now. There are still some differences to the 2D program I use but no serious issue.
But I may take you up on that offer and and report some missing feature, still need some time playing with it for now though  :P
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on September 14, 2014, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: Desteban on September 14, 2014, 07:21:06 PM
Thx mate! Much appreciated!
I can see the values in your Viewer so I am totally happy for now. There are still some differences to the 2D program I use but no serious issue.
But I may take you up on that offer and and report some missing feature, still need some time playing with it for now though  :P
No problem man, take your time ... to take my time :)

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Yohji on November 26, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
hi max
this plugin very useful for more fast, setting, developing,,,,
but I want more usefuly. so I hope loging data for real ECU logger viewer.(Motec, AiM or 2D ,,,)

is it possible ?

Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 26, 2014, 01:54:43 PM
Quote from: Yohji on November 26, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
hi max
this plugin very useful for more fast, setting, developing,,,,
but I want more usefuly. so I hope loging data for real ECU logger viewer.(Motec, AiM or 2D ,,,)

is it possible ?
All the pro tools use a proprietary format for they data logging hence (at least in principle), the thing is not possible.

In theory I could hack the proprietary format (reverse engineering it), but I don't think it's worth the effort.

If you explain what you miss in the MaxTM, I can see if I can implement it.

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
Hi Max,
I have been quite busy with real motorcycle racing this year and didn't have time to play GPB since last year.  :'(

Your tool is a really nice start to analyze GPB data.  ;D
I use AEMData (= Gems Data) and here are few things that could be added to make your tool even more cool and usable !!
* Add a channel list where all channels are displayed with their values
* Drag and drop channel would be nice from this channel list to the graph

* Multiple curve on graph : allow to superpose 2 or more curves (example : RPM and speed on the same graph)

* Cursor line : Draw a line to show where the cursor is instead of displaying the box on the curve
* Channel value placement : Put the channel(s) value(s) in the corner instead of following the cursor so that it is easier to read while hovering the curve

* Allow to change channel colors : this would be really nice because for now you can end up with colors that are not really readable (red and black on grey background for example)

* Allow to add widgets instead only curves (as a basis : tachometer for speed, digit for gear would be enough)
* Add math channels with some basic functions (filter, add, difference, derivative)
* Add velocity histogram widget for suspension analysis (can be generated from a math channel for example)

* Highlight the zoom zone on the GPS track map to know which zone we are working on
* Add an overview bar to have a visual reference where we are when zoomed (total width is 100% of the lap, zoom might be between 24% and 49%)



Those are just a few ideas to improve the analysis tool.  ;)
Thanks for this already very nice tool !!
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 27, 2014, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
Hi Max,
I have been quite busy with real motorcycle racing this year and didn't have time to play GPB since last year.  :'(
Hi neoraptor, nice to have you back !

Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
Your tool is a really nice start to analyze GPB data.  ;D
I use AEMData (= Gems Data) and here are few things that could be added to make your tool even more cool and usable !!
* Add a channel list where all channels are displayed with their values
* Drag and drop channel would be nice from this channel list to the graph
Yeah I had a look at GEMS before designing my tool, it's nice.
However my intention has never been to rival these "pro" tools: I don't have the time (nor the skills, likely) to produce such a high quality tool.
Drag and drop would be nice, but the general idea in my tool is that once you have saved a few layouts, normally you just use them (by loading them instead of recreating them).

Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
* Multiple curve on graph : allow to superpose 2 or more curves (example : RPM and speed on the same graph)
What would be the difference compared to have two separate graphs ?

Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
* Cursor line : Draw a line to show where the cursor is instead of displaying the box on the curve
I'll have a look, if I recall correctly I had this in my first versions but changed it because I didn't like it.

Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
* Channel value placement : Put the channel(s) value(s) in the corner instead of following the cursor so that it is easier to read while hovering the curve
I'll have a look, but having them next to the cursor should be actually be easier to read: if they are in a corner, you won't be able to watch at the same time the values and the cursor.

Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
* Allow to change channel colors : this would be really nice because for now you can end up with colors that are not really readable (red and black on grey background for example)
I'll have a look. Maybe I'll just change the default colors to something else.

Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
* Allow to add widgets instead only curves (as a basis : tachometer for speed, digit for gear would be enough)
To me the gauges and displays are more gimmicks than anything else.
Anyway it would require too much dev effort to be done properly. Unlikely to happen.

Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
* Add math channels with some basic functions (filter, add, difference, derivative)
* Add velocity histogram widget for suspension analysis (can be generated from a math channel for example)
Too much dev effort. Sorry.

Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
* Highlight the zoom zone on the GPS track map to know which zone we are working on
* Add an overview bar to have a visual reference where we are when zoomed (total width is 100% of the lap, zoom might be between 24% and 49%)
First one is in my todo list. Second is probably redundant once the 1st is done.

Thanks for all your comments !!

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Phathry25 on December 02, 2014, 03:57:06 AM
Stopped in to say thanks.  Saw that wasn't on the acceptable list of way to show my appreciation.  So I will not be saying thanks for this must have plugin.  Sorry.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on December 02, 2014, 07:32:37 AM
Quote from: Phathry25 on December 02, 2014, 03:57:06 AM
Stopped in to say thanks.  Saw that wasn't on the acceptable list of way to show my appreciation.  So I will not be saying thanks for this must have plugin.  Sorry.
I applause the discipline. Take note guys ! :)

I may have one question for you: if I'm not wrong you seem to be pretty well known in the MX community and have some more than decent experience in MX too. Would that plugin/tool be of any use for MXB ? Do MX riders use this kind of stuff in real life ?

Effort to port it to MXB is very small, just wanting to know if it's worth.

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Phathry25 on December 02, 2014, 06:01:33 PM
Most definitely. It's been suggested for that other counter steering simulator multiple times. Although I don't think the current MX Bikes community would be that interested in it. You kind of just have most people kicking the tires over there right now, and a few super devoted people who think everything is perfect. IMO it's more of a tool for a competitive racing environment that doesn't exist there quite yet, and you'd be best to wait until there was a community more interested in utilizing it.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on December 02, 2014, 10:11:39 PM
It was quite my impression. I'll see then, in case I really really don't know what to do a night I may give it a go. Who knows ...

Anyway, in real life, do you have this kind of telemetry stuff on MX bikes ?

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Phathry25 on December 03, 2014, 05:50:40 PM
Do I?  No. It's more or less only at the top of the sport.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on December 03, 2014, 08:26:01 PM
Quote from: Phathry25 on December 03, 2014, 05:50:40 PM
Do I?  No. It's more or less only at the top of the sport.
Uh, OK. Didn't mean "you" personally. Got the overall answer anyway, thx.

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Yohji on March 22, 2015, 10:21:54 AM
hi max
in rFactor, they has "DataAcquisitionPlugin". it's work rFactor's output telemetry date convert to Motec i2 viewer.
I think  if you can analyze this Dll file. it's may lead to GP Bikes telemetry date can convert to Motec i2 viewer.

sry for bad english

thx.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on March 22, 2015, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Yohji on March 22, 2015, 10:21:54 AM
hi max
in rFactor, they has "DataAcquisitionPlugin". it's work rFactor's output telemetry date convert to Motec i2 viewer.
I think  if you can analyze this Dll file. it's may lead to GP Bikes telemetry date can convert to Motec i2 viewer.
Hi Yohji,

I know, I even contacted that guy but of course he didn't want to share his code concerning the Motec format (which is proprietary).

I just thought that instead of wasting time trying to reverse-engineer the format, I was better off using spending the time in creating y tool.

Anyway, probably none of us has very advanced needs in terms of telemetry analysis.

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Yohji on March 22, 2015, 01:19:10 PM
ok, I got it.

but I hope some things to MaxTM
I want plural line in one window. and Track map panel Background image

like that,

(http://s11.postimg.org/yuzk1brhf/maxtm2.jpg)

(http://s14.postimg.org/xzsr3aa5t/maxtm1.jpg)
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on March 22, 2015, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: Yohji on March 22, 2015, 01:19:10 PM
I want plural line in one window.
That can eventually be done, but it complicates the interface a bit. What is the advantage compared to having two separate graphs vertically aligned ?

Quote from: Yohji on March 22, 2015, 01:19:10 PM
and Track map panel Background image
Can't do that easily: I'd have to fetch images of all the tracks, ensure they are scaled properly and with the right aspect factor ...
If GPB was able to generate a planar view of a track, then I oculd start thinking about adding that.

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - no telemetry being written?
Post by: LegoRacer on May 15, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
Hi there. We are using KRP.   We hear the heartbeat and CTRL + Z says it's 'on'   but there are no files being written.  YOu mention the MaxTM.ini file - does the plugin create it itself?   Does it create the MaxTM folder?  KRP is installed in C:\Program Files\Kart Racing Pro and the associated KRP .DLO file is in the plugins folder as is MaxTM_data.    There is no telemetry files, no folders, and no ini file created.  I see the sample one posted from another user, and i was about to create the .ini myself but i wanted to know is there some configuration in KRP core or settings i need to do or anyting else?   It mentions the Data Directory, however i don't see any place to configure it in a .ini or any other file.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - no telemetry being written?
Post by: HornetMaX on May 15, 2015, 03:21:31 PM
Quote from: LegoRacer on May 15, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
Hi there. We are using KRP.   We hear the heartbeat and CTRL + Z says it's 'on'   but there are no files being written.  YOu mention the MaxTM.ini file - does the plugin create it itself?   Does it create the MaxTM folder?  KRP is installed in C:\Program Files\Kart Racing Pro and the associated KRP .DLO file is in the plugins folder as is MaxTM_data.    There is no telemetry files, no folders, and no ini file created.  I see the sample one posted from another user, and i was about to create the .ini myself but i wanted to know is there some configuration in KRP core or settings i need to do or anyting else?   It mentions the Data Directory, however i don't see any place to configure it in a .ini or any other file.
Hi, it creates the .ini itself (when no .ini is found). Better to delete the .ini you manually created.

The .ini and the MaxTM directory containing the logged data are under the Piboso directory (e.g. C:\Users\MaX\Documents\PiBoSo\Kart Racing Pro).

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: doNico on October 23, 2015, 04:31:24 PM
Hey MaX,

i tried to download the file but it says, its "infected by a virus, only the owner is able to download it"

did i miss something?

~doN
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on October 23, 2015, 04:57:43 PM
It's clean, I checked on virustotal and only 1 antivirus reports a false positive (over 50 or something).

I have no idea why google drive is getgting a false positive (it may come from Qt 5.5).

I'm on vacation right now, once home I may find a different hosting solution (mega or something).

MaX.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: C21 on November 06, 2015, 09:15:15 AM
Quote* Multiple curve on graph : allow to superpose 2 or more curves (example : RPM and speed on the same graph)
QuoteI want plural line in one window.

That can eventually be done, but it complicates the interface a bit. What is the advantage compared to having two separate graphs vertically aligned ?

To answer your question.
It is needed for better visualisation.
I don´t know if you ever worked with an DataAquisition system but on every software it is possible to draw different lines into the same graph. (I worked with a lot of these systems and normally only one or two Graph windows are used.
You never use 4 graph tables on motorbikes , on cars it is different.
In one view it is easier and better to see what happens on that specific point.
You hardly can´t get it looking onto 4 different graphs.
Sorry Max, i can´t explain it better but all i can say: It´s a must to have and i would very much appriciate if you could inmplenet this feature.

e.g.
you normally use on one graph rpm, vehicle speed, gear and throttle. On the other front and rear suspension incl. front and rear brake.
This is not possible with your TM alhough i have 4 graphs.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 06, 2015, 09:17:09 AM
Can see that, but how do you compare laps on a graph with 4 lines ?
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: C21 on November 06, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
In the same way.
I don´t say that DataAquistion determination is easy.
You normally look at specific data, you did not compare two laps with 4-8 lines (but you can).
First off all DA (data Aquisition) is used for suspension, steering and gearing adjustments.
If this one is fixed you look at different laps at your braking and acceleration points.
and so on...
in these cases only 4 lines of 2 different laps are displayed.

Right now it is only possible to draw one line on each graph.

Your tool is good but can be better  ;D
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 06, 2015, 10:19:51 AM
Quote from: C21 on November 06, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
Right now it is only possible to draw one line on each graph.
Not really true: you can plot multiple line on a graph, but they will be about the same measure (e.g. speed or RPM) albeit for multiple laps.
Or deltas between one reference lap and the other selected laps: I'm not sure many have realized about that.

Quote from: C21 on November 06, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
Your tool is good but can be better  ;D
But this is true, of course :)
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: C21 on November 06, 2015, 11:24:33 AM
QuoteRight now it is only possible to draw one line on each graph.

Not really true: you can plot multiple line on a graph, but they will be about the same measure (e.g. speed or RPM) albeit for multiple laps.
Or deltas between one reference lap and the other selected laps: I'm not sure many have realized about that.

Correct, i´m aware of that BUT you are not able to draw more then one input line (e.g. rpm and speed) in one graph. That´s what i mean.

[ but they will be about the same measure (e.g. speed or RPM) albeit for multiple laps.]
Your focus is on comparing laps to each other. In this case your choice (drawing only one input line for each lap) makes sense.
my focus is on suspension setting and bike geometry. In this case more lines for only one lap on the same graph are used.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 06, 2015, 11:44:31 AM
It's understood. Assuming I'll give it a try, the hard part will be how to allow the two to co-exist.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 10, 2015, 11:12:25 PM
@C21 (but others can chime in): let's say I plot RPMs, speed and gear on the same graph.

Just trying to figure out if it's worth to spend time on that ...
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Vini on November 10, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
looking forward to the new release!

haven't really had a look at it yet but it looks very interesting.
are things like g-forces included?
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 10, 2015, 11:50:17 PM
Quote from: vin97 on November 10, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
looking forward to the new release!
No ETA yet. I'm pondering losing the compatibility with telemetry files from old betas and simplify the whole clusterfuck of code that keeps them alive.

Question to users: is it a big deal to lose compatibility with old telemetry files ? I'd say no, but ...

Quote from: vin97 on November 10, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
haven't really had a look at it yet but it looks very interesting.
are things like g-forces included?
Uh, they have been there since the 1st release (back in beg 2014) :)
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Vini on November 11, 2015, 12:03:57 AM
even tough i haven't used your plugin yet, i'd say having the possibilty of comparing the bike behaviour in the different betas is a helpful feature.
maybe create a second viewer-exe that's compatible with the old files and a nicely coded one for the new ones?
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Hawk on November 11, 2015, 12:08:57 AM
Quote from: vin97 on November 11, 2015, 12:03:57 AM
even tough i haven't used your plugin yet, i'd say having the possibilty of comparing the bike behaviour in the different betas is a helpful feature.
maybe create a second viewer-exe that's compatible with the old files and a nicely coded one for the new ones?

I think if it was just a case of capability with older beta usage Max would scrap them anyway. I think Max is probably talking about old telemetry data from old betas that users might have saved and want to view again as a reference? But I could well be wrong.  :)

Hawk.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 11, 2015, 12:09:39 AM
Quote from: vin97 on November 11, 2015, 12:03:57 AM
even tough i haven't used your plugin yet, i'd say having the possibilty of comparing the bike behaviour in the different betas is a helpful feature.
maybe create a second viewer-exe that's compatible with the old files and a nicely coded one for the new ones?
Oh that's easy, i't enough to run the old version of the viewer and plugin with the appropriate version of GPB.
What neeeds some code is to have 2 telemetry flies, one from gpb beta6 and one from beta7, shown in the same viewer.
Probably I should just have this for GPB v1 and v2 ... betas are ... betas :)

[Hawk: right]
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Vini on November 11, 2015, 12:29:47 AM
yeah, that's what i meant.

viewing old files in the new program.

of course you're right, the suggestion for a new, alternative viewer compatible with the old files makes no sense.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: C21 on November 11, 2015, 07:47:42 AM
QuoteQuestion to users: is it a big deal to lose compatibility with old telemetry files ? I'd say no, but ...
NO.

It does not make sense to compare between Beta´s because we do not know in detail what has been changed in the algorythmics of the physics.
I would never compare laps/runs between different beta´s.
Jm2ct
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 11, 2015, 08:38:06 AM
Well, in principle it makes sense, exactly to try to figure out physics stuff that is "hidden" inside (e.g. beta6 vs beta7 slow speed corners).
But OK, I'll ditch support for older betas data format. I'll also try to make the telemtry file format independent of GPB own internal pluging interface data format, so that the the latter changes I'll have less impact.

C21, have a look at my questions on "multiple lines on a graph:
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 10, 2015, 11:12:25 PM
@C21 (but others can chime in): let's say I plot RPMs, speed and gear on the same graph.

  • What do you want to see as scale on the left axis ?
  • Do you want the 3 lines to occupy exactly the same rectangular space or do you want them to be slightly offset vertically (to avoid them overlapping too much) ?
  • If offset, do you need a left axis 9with the scale) for each line ?
  • If I had to put a limit to the number of lines that can go on the same graph, what would be reasonable ?

Just trying to figure out if it's worth to spend time on that ...
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: C21 on November 11, 2015, 09:19:49 AM
Sorry MAx i overread this  :o

QuoteWhat do you want to see as scale on the left axis ?
    Do you want the 3 lines to occupy exactly the same rectangular space or do you want them to be slightly offset vertically (to avoid them overlapping too much) ?
    If offset, do you need a left axis 9with the scale) for each line ?
    If I had to put a limit to the number of lines that can go on the same graph, what would be reasonable ?
1) Don´t get it. The scale changes using different Y-Axis parameters (speed, gear,...)
2) Same rectangular space
3) NA
4) 5
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 11, 2015, 10:51:47 AM
Quote from: C21 on November 11, 2015, 09:19:49 AM
Sorry MAx i overread this  :o

QuoteWhat do you want to see as scale on the left axis ?
1) Don´t get it. The scale changes using different Y-Axis parameters (speed, gear,...)
Example: let's say I plot RPMs, speed and gear on the same graph.
The left axis will have a scale for RPMs, so maybe something like 0-20,000 RPM.
But how do you read the scale for the other two lines (speed and gear) ?
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: C21 on November 11, 2015, 11:02:32 AM
QuoteBut how do you read the scale for the other two lines (speed and gear)
Scale independently.
See: http://www.kc-t.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Blog-Graph-ThrotBrake-Jan-14.jpg
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 11, 2015, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: C21 on November 11, 2015, 11:02:32 AM
QuoteBut how do you read the scale for the other two lines (speed and gear)
Scale independently.
See: http://www.kc-t.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Blog-Graph-ThrotBrake-Jan-14.jpg
I mean the user, not the software. In your pic, there are 2 scales (45-90 and 3000-7500) but 3 lines. One line has no visible scale.
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Post by: HornetMaX on November 11, 2015, 11:26:35 AM
Here you have some pro examples:

GEMS:
(http://www.gems.co.uk/assets/Image/Products/Software/GDA/gda%20screen%20overview.png)

ATLAS 1:
(http://www.virtualr.net/wp-content/gallery/2870/atlas-overlay.png)

ATLAS 2:
(http://blog.visual.ly/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ATLAS-Waveform.png)

I think you're asking for something like the Atlas 2 image (top right plot). But notice that some lines have a vertical offset with respect to others (to avoid a total overlapping mess).

I'l have a look eventually, but only after I've made the tool work with GPB b7, WRS b7, KRP b14 (and maybe MXB b4, if it gets out quickly).
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Post by: C21 on November 11, 2015, 01:02:23 PM
QuoteI think you're asking for something like the Atlas 2 image (top right plot). But notice that some lines have a vertical offset with respect to others (to avoid a total overlapping mess).
100% correct.

On the pic i´ve posted Brake and Throttle uses the same scale.
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Post by: HornetMaX on November 12, 2015, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: doNico on October 23, 2015, 04:31:24 PM
Hey MaX,

i tried to download the file but it says, its "infected by a virus, only the owner is able to download it"
Just for information (as you may have noticed that I now host my stuff on Mega): I had to send a bunch of false positive reports to the one and only antivirus (ClamAV) that was flagging the files as infected. Despite the fact it was quite obviously a false positive (the "infected" files were 3 Qt dlls ...) it took quite while for them to finally solve the issue. So bottom line, the files are now declared clean by virustotal.com.

I'll still keep them on Mega instead of Google Drive (it's more plractical, for various reasons).

P.S.
Virus creators should die and go to developer's hell (a place where you're obliged to use VisualBasic 24/7).


Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: C21 on November 17, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Max, is it correct that TC and EB are not working in TM?
I can display them but got no values.
I´m testing the Moto3 Bikes and got no values on display.
All other gems working fine  :)
Really nice tool!!

Got a error message:
Warning1: "WTiming jump (C:/.......*.maxtm.data.bin): 44.874 -> 45.08
Warning2: "WTiming jump (C:/.......*.maxtm.data.bin): 1073.04 -> 1073.27

What does that mean?
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 17, 2015, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: C21 on November 17, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Max, is it correct that TC and EB are not working in TM?
I can display them but got no values.
I´m testing the Moto3 Bikes and got no values on display.
Uh, but are moto3 supposed to have TC and EB ?

I think what you get in the telemetry is the setting you're currently using (e.g. TC = 0, 1, 2), not if the TC is currently cutting.
Try with the 990: se the TC at 3, do half a lap and then change it while on the bike. You should see it in the telemetry.

Quote from: C21 on November 17, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
Got a error message:
Warning1: "WTiming jump (C:/.......*.maxtm.data.bin): 44.874 -> 45.08
Warning2: "WTiming jump (C:/.......*.maxtm.data.bin): 1073.04 -> 1073.27

What does that mean?
It's just a warning to signal that the elapsed time between two consecutive telemetry lines is (too) different from the expected value (0.1s).

Notice that when testing offline, if you press ESC the simulation is suspended (i.e. GPB time is frozen), but the windows timer keeps on running (so you get a warning).
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Post by: C21 on November 17, 2015, 01:35:40 PM
QuoteUh, but are moto3 supposed to have TC and EB ?
Yes  :)

I will test it with the Muru. Will see...
BTW: Both were set to "2" on the Moto3.

QuoteNotice that when testing offline, if you press ESC the simulation is suspended (i.e. GPB time is frozen), but the windows timer keeps on running (so you get a warning).
Correct, i stopped the bike and took a screenshot. Thx.  ;D
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Post by: C21 on November 18, 2015, 05:38:52 PM
Did the test.
As you said: Displayed is the switched position of EB or TC. Best viewed when switching the settings within one lap.

As the front and rear brake temperature is displayed in the dev mode....are you able to log it to the logger (did not remember if i asked it before.. ??? )
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Post by: HornetMaX on November 18, 2015, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: C21 on November 18, 2015, 05:38:52 PM
As the front and rear brake temperature is displayed in the dev mode....are you able to log it to the logger (did not remember if i asked it before.. ??? )
No I'm not, nothing new is passed in the plugin interface.

Also, it would be nice if it was actually confirmed that what we see in debug mode are the brake temps. Just to be 100% sure ...
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Post by: doNico on November 19, 2015, 01:19:50 AM
Hey MaX ...

just did some laps at Castle Comb ... i tried to open the program but nothing happens :( theres no error shown or anything. I used to put it on my desktop, didnt work ... used to put it somewhere else .. didnt work ... used to download it again .. didnt work ... mhmm?? Its shown in Task Mngr but im not able to close it ... "Permission denied"

~doN
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Post by: C21 on November 19, 2015, 07:34:59 AM
@Nico
QuoteJust copy the appropriate .dlo and the MaXTM_data to the GPB/MXB/WRS/KRP plugins folder.
Do you hear 3 heartbeats when joining the track?
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Post by: HornetMaX on November 19, 2015, 07:53:48 AM
Quote from: doNico on November 19, 2015, 01:19:50 AM
Hey MaX ...

just did some laps at Castle Comb ... i tried to open the program but nothing happens :( theres no error shown or anything. I used to put it on my desktop, didnt work ... used to put it somewhere else .. didnt work ... used to download it again .. didnt work ... mhmm?? Its shown in Task Mngr but im not able to close it ... "Permission denied"

~doN
Do you mean you can't run the MaxTM_Viewer.exe ? Very weird, especially that you don't get any error and the "permission denied" stuff ...

1. Are you using the latest version of MaxTM (1.11) ? (shouldn't make any difference to your problem, just for me to know)

2. Which windows version are you on ?

3. As said by C21, is the plugin working ? When you go to track, do you hear an heartbeat sound for a few seconds ? Do you have telemetry files (*.data.bin and *.info.bin) in the MaXTM folder ?

4. Can you check if you already have the "Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86)" already installed (Control panel/Program and Features) ? If not, install it and retry (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8328 (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8328))
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Post by: doNico on November 19, 2015, 04:20:12 PM
Hi,

The old 1.10 exe is working just fine, having problems with. 11. Yes, the plug-in works and collects data, no trouble with that. Mvc++ is installed and up to date...  I'm on win10

~doN
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Post by: HornetMaX on November 19, 2015, 08:34:42 PM
Hhmm, the "I'm on win10" bit is likely the reason as it works for me (and others) on win7.

I haven't got win10 (and I won't for quite a while, likely): is there any compatibility setting you can run the executable with ?

Also, I've heard about that: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forum/consumerwatch-2/documents-read-only-after-windows-10-install-4537987/?p=2 (http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forum/consumerwatch-2/documents-read-only-after-windows-10-install-4537987/?p=2)

@Others: anybody with Win10 can check if MaxTM works fine (the viewer) ?

Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: doNico on November 20, 2015, 12:13:52 AM
QuoteProblemsignatur
Problemereignisame:   AppHangB1
Anwendungsname:   MaxTM_Viewer.exe
Anwendungsversion:   0.0.0.0
Anwendungszeitstempel:   54a81f37
Absturzsignatur:   483d
Absturztyp:   134217728
Betriebsystemversion:   10.0.10240.2.0.0.768.101
Gebietsschema-ID:   1031
Zusätzliche Absturzsignatur 1:   483d3109d22ce8fde1afb7154e4c8cdd
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Zusätzliche Absturzsignatur 4:   483d
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Weitere Informationen über das Problem
Bucket-ID:   e5482c63be82a1524e397233481d51d5 (50)

finally got someething useful

~doN
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Post by: HornetMaX on November 20, 2015, 07:53:42 AM
Not that useful, I fear. Which antivirus do you have ?

Can you whitelisting the .exe in the antivirus (or switching the antivirus off, just for the test) ? Eventually, you can run it in a sandbox.
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Post by: doNico on November 20, 2015, 12:12:52 PM
allready did it without Avast, no chance :/
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Post by: HornetMaX on November 20, 2015, 12:27:50 PM
Argh. Running out of (reasonable) ideas.

I'm switching from Visual Studio 2010 to Visual Studio 2013 (and a more recent version of Qt): I doubt it will make any difference but let's hope.

There seems to be something going very wrong between some apps and Win10.

Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: doNico on November 20, 2015, 02:22:43 PM
Yes, your totally right... Hopefully your able to fix it

~doN
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Post by: HornetMaX on November 20, 2015, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: doNico on November 20, 2015, 02:22:43 PM
Yes, your totally right... Hopefully your able to fix it
We can try this: I'll send you a debug build of the tool (still built with VS 2010), maybe it will crash with some additional info.
I'll also send you a release and a debug build done with VS 2013.

Tonight likely.
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Post by: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: neoraptor on November 27, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
Hi Max,
I have been quite busy with real motorcycle racing this year and didn't have time to play GPB since last year.  :'(

Your tool is a really nice start to analyze GPB data.  ;D
I use AEMData (= Gems Data) and here are few things that could be added to make your tool even more cool and usable !!
* Add a channel list where all channels are displayed with their values
* Drag and drop channel would be nice from this channel list to the graph

* Multiple curve on graph : allow to superpose 2 or more curves (example : RPM and speed on the same graph)

* Cursor line : Draw a line to show where the cursor is instead of displaying the box on the curve
* Channel value placement : Put the channel(s) value(s) in the corner instead of following the cursor so that it is easier to read while hovering the curve

* Allow to change channel colors : this would be really nice because for now you can end up with colors that are not really readable (red and black on grey background for example)

* Allow to add widgets instead only curves (as a basis : tachometer for speed, digit for gear would be enough)
* Add math channels with some basic functions (filter, add, difference, derivative)
* Add velocity histogram widget for suspension analysis (can be generated from a math channel for example)

* Highlight the zoom zone on the GPS track map to know which zone we are working on
* Add an overview bar to have a visual reference where we are when zoomed (total width is 100% of the lap, zoom might be between 24% and 49%)



Those are just a few ideas to improve the analysis tool.  ;)
Thanks for this already very nice tool !!

I agree with everything said. To me the crucial thing is to also add a gap graph which shows where time is gained and lost in compared laps. It's essential for any type of comparisons especially driver1 vs driver2 comparison. Check this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6TU-nGCn6E

I'm comparing here my two different laps. The last graph (in the bottom) is what I'm talking about. Fell free to contact me for more details. I'm really looking forward to seeing both WRS and MaxTM working perfectly in the future.
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Post by: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 10:20:09 AM
Quote from: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 09:35:57 AM
To me the crucial thing is to also add a gap graph which shows where time is gained and lost in compared laps. It's essential for any type of comparisons especially driver1 vs driver2 comparison.
That's already possible, it's what I call "Delta graphs" (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=1151.msg13551#msg13551 (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=1151.msg13551#msg13551)):
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Post by: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 10:51:14 AM
Yeah, indeed, it's here. In other software there's a button which shows only time loss or gain regardless analyzed channels. Also another button for delta could be implemented, too. It's about user-friendliness. Is it possible to manually insert max and min values of a channel? I know using SHIFT + scroll you can adjust what you see on the screen.
Another thing could be to be able to divide the map into 3 different types of parts: straightt (one color), left turns (another color), (right turns (3rd color) nad such a divided section would appear at the top of each graph. It makes faster localize where you are. 
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Post by: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 10:57:08 AM
Yeah, the ergonomic is pretty basic, I may want to add at least a toolbar with a few buttons.

Quote from: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 10:51:14 AM
Is it possible to manually insert max and min values of a channel? I know using SHIFT + scroll you can adjust what you see on the screen.
No, not possible at the moment. But when would that be useful ?

Quote from: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 10:51:14 AM
Another thing could be to be able to divide the map into 3 different types of parts: straightt (one color), left turns (another color), (right turns (3rd color) nad such a divided section would appear at the top of each graph. It makes faster localize where you are. 
You can see where you are glancing at the track map. But yeah, I see what you mean ... I'll put that in the todo list.
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Post by: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 11:22:18 AM
Quote from: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 10:51:14 AM
Is it possible to manually insert max and min values of a channel? I know using SHIFT + scroll you can adjust what you see on the screen.
Quote

No, not possible at the moment. But when would that be useful?
Often you want to insert manually min and max values to have better transparency of the graph. When the difference between the min and max values are big e.g. RPM (0-18000) you don't really need to see values like 100 or even 3000 in this particular case. Insterting the min value of, I don't know, 6000 (when max is 18000) the graph looks better. Sometimes very small values can make the difference so every inch of screen is valuable. This kind of software must be user-friendly. During real analysis where you fight against time, pressure, adrenaline etc., everything must work tip-top. Also, sometimes you want to insert higher value then the max when, for example something else is displayed at the top of the graph, either side or center, doesn't metter. And this fluent way I moved to my another suggestion, that is, min and max values on the screen of each graph in the corner of the graph + symbol on the graph itself. Very useful when you want to know the difference between the lowest speed in a particular corner  or apex location analyzing two or more laps/drivers. The less time spent on a single action, the better. I hope I explained well what I meant. Let me know.
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Post by: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 11:30:07 AM
I'm not sure I get the min/max part: if it's the min/max of what is actually being shown on screen, well .. you just can see it no ?

Anyway, the tool is no replacement for GEMS or Atlas, it will never be that feature rich.
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Post by: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 11:30:07 AM
I'm not sure I get the min/max part: if it's the min/max of what is actually being shown on screen, well .. you just can see it no ?

Anyway, the tool is no replacement for GEMS or Atlas, it will never be that feature rich.

Yes, but often you need a number, e.g. driver1 is 3 km slower in turn 1 than driver2 etc.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 11:30:07 AM
I'm not sure I get the min/max part: if it's the min/max of what is actually being shown on screen, well .. you just can see it no ?
Yes, but often you need a number, e.g. driver1 is 3 km slower in turn 1 than driver2 etc.
Do a delta plot, you'll just see that.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 11:30:07 AM
I'm not sure I get the min/max part: if it's the min/max of what is actually being shown on screen, well .. you just can see it no ?
Yes, but often you need a number, e.g. driver1 is 3 km slower in turn 1 than driver2 etc.
Do a delta plot, you'll just see that.

Yeah, basicaly it can be done this way, too.

Another thing, is it a bug or it's normal? When I click on a graph it doesn't show me the value where I cliked. I have to move the mouse first to show the values where I'm pointing the mouse.
Title: Re: MaxTM telemetry - put your comments here.
Post by: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 11:55:51 AM
Quote from: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 11:40:05 AM
Another thing, is it a bug or it's normal? When I click on a graph it doesn't show me the value where I cliked. I have to move the mouse first to show the values where I'm pointing the mouse.
Sounds like a mini-bug, I'll have a look first time I'll put my hands in the code again. Thanks for reporting.
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Post by: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on December 17, 2015, 11:55:51 AM
Quote from: Slawi on December 17, 2015, 11:40:05 AM
Another thing, is it a bug or it's normal? When I click on a graph it doesn't show me the value where I cliked. I have to move the mouse first to show the values where I'm pointing the mouse.
Sounds like a mini-bug, I'll have a look first time I'll put my hands in the code again. Thanks for reporting.

You're welcome. Another tiny bug, I think, is when you click on the left a lap/laps to analyze it highligts Runs/Laps column, too in the color selected for the lap. I think, since there're only two schemes (white and dark), there should be default color for the fonts on each scheme (white scheme = black font + no colored border around Lap 1, Lap 2, etc.) --> (dark scheme = white or grey font depending which is more readable and better for the eyes  + no colored border around Lap 1, Lap 2). Now it's too diversional and sometimes you can't see what's written there.