Simple question: what's that ?
MaX.
Sometimes, when something just feels good. You don`t need to question it...just enjoy it...
I don't question it, but I don't know what it is / does.
MaX.
I think he upped the gain on all 3 levers a bit more. They all bite a bit more over the complete range and feel much more progressive. First i always felt like i was riding with fading brakes or something...
No, I mean in the input settings, there's now a gain slider (active only on front and rear brake).
I don't know what it is/does as it does not corresponds to anything I know of on a real bike (which is consistent with the fact it is situated in the inputs settings and not in the garage).
MaX.
Maybe a slider to adjust the progressiveness of the brakes?
(just an imagination, don´t had time to test it)
if i remember right: if you set gain to 50% and you break as hard as you can, you only have half of the bar activated on maxHUD
Quote from: kerazxo on June 25, 2014, 04:00:35 PM
if i remember right: if you set gain to 50% and you break as hard as you can, you only have half of the bar activated on maxHUD
Yes and on the calibration screen
I can't double check but I can easily trust you on this.
But I don't get it, what would be the real life equivalent of this ?!
MaX.
Its solved my gear down change issue setting the rear brake at 50 % gain I push the pedal the same distance as before but only get half the input travel.
So I am not reaching the point were It stops me from changing down.This can't be what it was designed to do ?
it think this feature was implemented for people like me that has the rear brake (for example) in a "normal" button in the pad. for example i have the rear brake in R1 of my ps3 controller. Before this feature in small categories like 125 using the brake was imposible, now i can use it perfectly.
for the sifting down, for me this doesn't solve it, i continue having that problem while braking
If you have a steering wheel use the pedals
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 25, 2014, 08:24:55 PM
I can't double check but I can easily trust you on this.
But I don't get it, what would be the real life equivalent of this ?!
MaX.
Changing the linkage or pedal position maybe
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 25, 2014, 08:24:55 PM
I can't double check but I can easily trust you on this.
But I don't get it, what would be the real life equivalent of this ?!
MaX.
There is no real life equivalent.
Gain is meant to be used with values under 100% for those using a digital control, and over 100% in the hypothetical case of a brake control harder than the real one.
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 26, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 25, 2014, 08:24:55 PM
I can't double check but I can easily trust you on this.
But I don't get it, what would be the real life equivalent of this ?!
MaX.
There is no real life equivalent.
Gain is meant to be used with values under 100% for those using a digital control, and over 100% in the hypothetical case of a brake control harder than the real one.
If there was rl equivalent it would have to be found under garage setup. ;)
Very nice addition this feature, I was wishing for that feature for a long time. On most tracks I do not use 100% braking power, so with this feature I might improve the efficiency of braking. Still experimenting with it though.
Btw Piboso, would it be possible to invert the non-linearity settings in the control settings setup? Atm, it is progressive - I would like to try it with degressive, in order to maybe have a better feel for the brake when nearing the brake maximum. This could be useful to compensate for having no force feedback with current controllers, whereas irl I feel feedback from my brake lever.
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 26, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
There is no real life equivalent.
Gain is meant to be used with values under 100% for those using a digital control, and over 100% in the hypothetical case of a brake control harder than the real one.
Thx for the reply.
Not a big deal, but it feels like a little concession with respect to reality: in a situation like the one Stout was reporting (tracks where he does not use 100% of the braking force), in real life you would have to ... well, brake less (after having selected the largest master cylinder), not tweak some setting that allows you to "scale" your brake lever so that it generates only 80% (e.g.) when you squeeze it fully.
I'd like too (like Stout) to have the linearity setting works both ways (i.e. lower slope at the origin, like now, but also higher slope at the origin): this is something standard (for example) in the radio-controlled world (cars, bikes, planes, helicopters, anything), typically called "expo" (for exponential) setting.
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 29, 2014, 12:57:56 PM
Not a big deal, but it feels like a little concession with respect to reality: in a situation like the one Stout was reporting (tracks where he does not use 100% of the braking force), in real life you would have to ... well, brake less (after having selected the largest master cylinder), not tweak some setting that allows you to "scale" your brake lever so that it generates only 80% (e.g.) when you squeeze it fully.
Gain < 100 is meant as a little concession to digital input users. Maybe it should be limited to the rear brake only.
Personally I don't think there's a real need in GPB for that (no idea about WRS / KRP), not even for the rear brake: larger master cylinder (when available) + smooth should be enough. But that's just my opinion.
If you're open for suggestions on the subject, would be nice to hear from the others.
MaX.
I was fine with beta4 setting for rear brake, and i use a plain button for it. If you dont hold it pressed for too long, there is no problem. And im fine too wih beta5 rear brake. So if Gain helps somebody im fine with it too.
with a digital button and 100% gain is fine for 1000 and 500 for example
but for 125 or 600, at least for me, it was impossible to use it, even with the smooth options and softest brake
Quote from: Warlock on June 29, 2014, 05:13:26 PM
So if Gain helps somebody im fine with it too.
But would you be fine if somebody using front brake on an analog trigger (or axis) uses the gain to lower the overall brake force ?
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 29, 2014, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: Warlock on June 29, 2014, 05:13:26 PM
So if Gain helps somebody im fine with it too.
But would you be fine if somebody using front brake on an analog trigger (or axis) uses the gain to lower the overall brake force ?
MaX.
Well, there is already TC setting that people take benefit of it, and i dont use. Also people can use analog for rear brake and im using a button, just because xbox pad is so uncomfortable for me, i'm too used to my logitec dual action pad (no shoulder triggers). People are also using 3rd person view, i don't, ...so..... (well, after saying all this i'm starting to feel a bit alone in the dark lol, i understand you Klax :D)
There are also helps allowed (i must say i use auto rider lean)
What i'm against is the option to mix both brakes editing a file in the game folder as we saw some time ago.
Anyway , imo brake leverage already do lower the brake force, or at least something that feels similar. So, gain indeed sound a bit redundant ( if i understand well what it does) . Tried it, didn't like it. I like to have most of the braking force, just in case i need it.
I can imagine a situation where i need to brake really hard , for example try to avoid a collision with the rider in front of me, and don't have the enough brake because i lowered it in settings. I prefer to do a stoppie or crash than hit another rider and f**k his race.
But this is just my opinion and the way i ride.