Hello,
i want to know if it is possible to use beta 4b with mods (bikes) for beta 6c.
In beta 6c there is a newer model of the rider and if i use for example the superbike mod wich is created for beta 6c, ive got visual errors (rider is in the bike and not on it).
So is it possible to edit some files or is it impossible ?
I'm not sure it is possible but you can try, my advice to you is go back to beta6c and
PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!! It does get easier.
There is no try, do you must ;D
Ive tried the beta 6c since release but I got frustrated so much that I had no more fun with the "game". So beta 4b is so much more enjoyable for me. No front wheel shaking, the old rider model wich looks far better in my opinion.
Ok, you have to choose for yourself but now I realy want to enjoy all the amazing new mods with beta 4b. Hope someone can help me with this.
Otherwise I have to wait for a new beta with hopefully "improved" physics.
Quote from: dude on February 15, 2015, 07:35:14 PM
Ive tried the beta 6c since release but I got frustrated so much that I had no more fun with the "game". So beta 4b is so much more enjoyable for me. No front wheel shaking, the old rider model wich looks far better in my opinion.
Ok, you have to choose for yourself but now I realy want to enjoy all the amazing new mods with beta 4b. Hope someone can help me with this.
Otherwise I have to wait for a new beta with hopefully "improved" physics.
The Beta 6c Bike Mods don't work on previous versions. All Bike mods had to be updated to work with beta 6c......
Have you tried the new Honda RCV for beta 6c? That's a great bike as are the Moto2 and 3 and STK1000 bike mods, very stable. Also make sure your riding on decent tracks too as some tracks seem to promote instability in the bikes. Learn to setup the bikes too as this is also very important for bike stability. ;)
Old versions of GPB don't do GPB justice at all now we have some really good bike mods and tracks coming through for beta 6c.
But as Doc advised..... Practice, Practice, Practice and it'll all start to come together... It's worth all the time and effort in the end. :)
Hawk.
Quote from: docfumi on February 15, 2015, 07:09:26 PM
There is no try, do you must ;D
I think the doc just got a new nickname "Yoda" lol
DD
Quote from: dude on February 15, 2015, 07:35:14 PM
Ive tried the beta 6c since release but I got frustrated so much that I had no more fun with the "game". So beta 4b is so much more enjoyable for me. No front wheel shaking, the old rider model wich looks far better in my opinion.
Ok, you have to choose for yourself but now I realy want to enjoy all the amazing new mods with beta 4b. Hope someone can help me with this.
Otherwise I have to wait for a new beta with hopefully "improved" physics.
+1
Quote from: dude on February 15, 2015, 07:35:14 PM
Ive tried the beta 6c since release but I got frustrated so much that I had no more fun with the "game". So beta 4b is so much more enjoyable for me. No front wheel shaking, the old rider model wich looks far better in my opinion.
Ok, you have to choose for yourself but now I realy want to enjoy all the amazing new mods with beta 4b. Hope someone can help me with this.
Otherwise I have to wait for a new beta with hopefully "improved" physics.
I know how you feel, it really sucks when you can't get it right but you also have to try and adept to
the conditions that are thrown at you and not say "Fuck it I will wait till it gets better" I mean if that was
the case half of us would have never been born. My point is don't give up and learn to take the
good with the
bad. ;D
The thing with betas are they move forward and if they change you need to work with the change and point out what is wrong in your opinion rather than stagnate on past betas regardless of the feeling. Working on making mods work on older betas isn't beneficial to moving forward with GPBikes future.
I have little time to actually ride in GPB so its hard to get setup of the bikes right and I NEED to do all manufacturers right now to send videos to the ACTUAL manufacturers along with data on my systems to make sure Suzuki sees a Suzuki in the demo video and its hard to get all 8 perfect and high quality riding right now, but I HAVE to so will. I wish I could just use my old Alpha7 for that but all my mods and the painted.exe dont work with it. You just have to stick with it and get the bike setup right. The new RCV213 is great and the most stable of the big boys. Keep at it DUDE. You WILL get there and it is worth it.
DD
PS sent you a link YODA hehe
Thats true Walken but why then are there NEW bugs like the rider falling under the track when it never happened before, that is the wrong direction in improving a program? Why are there new bugs that never happened? This is why it is hard when no mods can be backward compatible. I know its hard but there needs to be some method to make it that all the hard work by the modders becomes non usable wont always happen. These guys put a lot of time and effort into modding say one bike perfectly, then comes a new beta and the bike dont work, now they have to do it all again and again and again? Everytime Totally Mad makes an update you dont have to download all the cars again so way in GPB must you? The tracks dont have to be change much, but some do a bit. I just dont understand the amount of code changing that makes all the bikes useless???
DD
Hm, thats one big point doubledragonccyodastyle is talking about.
Everybody knows what a beta status means. But also everyone expect progress from build to build.
So in my opinion takes it to long for newer betas. Ok, we all know that piboso have more projects to manage, but if youre focused on gp bikes only (thats why most of us had payed for it) its hard for us to wait and wait and wait...for improvements.
And then comes a new beta, everybody is jumping, downloading and annoyed that some things were no improved or even (*thinking*) messed up. (?)
BTW: Its totaly ok that the old mods not work anymore...beta status, but gp bikes should not switch to often the code or parameters for the mods.
Sry for my english :p
@Dude and DoubleD, you both make very good points. I guess I have been playing so long that I have learned to expect the
unexpected and try to see it from the builders eyes. You can not please all the people all the time if you wish to be honest
to yourself and your work. Take it from me I am a musician. Therefore you have to do it your way always. As a fan or user of the game I can take it or leave it. In this cases I take it because I put down my money and I see it work for me. I am sorry for the Modders that lose out on their mods and such, but most of the guys have been around long enough to know how this works.
Game on
I understand completely but,
Changing one line of code can effect another so on so forth. Mods for a beta is without justice in the end as the beta will move on.
Most of the fun is climbing the hill ;)
Stand out bugs (ie rider falling through road) should not really make it to release even in a beta. These should be picked up in testing - maybe a few registered players (play testers should not be the code developers as they tend not to be objective enough) could test the new betas and report back before they are generally released to avoid the possibility of disappointing the greater community, would maybe give the whole thing a more polished feel.
Seems we literally are the beta testers.. new beta gets released with bugs and all in tow.. then the months in between betas are spent pointing out bugs/problems and the good points too.. so when a new beta is released you would expect most if not all the things pointed out on the forum would be sorted..
Im not sure its working that way though lol. maybe a few patches could be released in between instead of waiting months for a new beta?
after recent ''discussions'' its clear GPB is struggling :( some frequent ''small'' updates would ease the pain.. :P
OK, so blatantly put, is it JUST money holding up the development and if so why? If it is only Piboso doing all the programming is it not just TIME involved? I ask this way to try and understand more clearly what it will take to get things really going with GP Bikes. I have a very good reason to NEED this to work, my own business is based on GP Bikes.
DD
So what about that steering system Dragon? Why isn't it finished? I need it NOW! I'm tired of using a lame gamepad! Whats the hold up man? lol.... :)
Quote from: WALKEN on February 16, 2015, 07:19:29 PM
The thing with betas are they move forward and if they change you need to work with the change and point out what is wrong in your opinion rather than stagnate on past betas regardless of the feeling. Working on making mods work on older betas isn't beneficial to moving forward with GPBikes future.
I totally agree, but I have to add that it's not like the whole community has not given plenty of feedback on multiple pain points. And not many of them have seen improvements over the different betas.
MaX.
I'd love to debate Max but honestly I don't have the time to do hundreds of laps and educate myself on the short comings if you will.
Hopefully one day we can look back and remember the flaws and joke about it..
Quote from: WALKEN on February 17, 2015, 04:47:19 PM
So what about that steering system Dragon? Why isn't it finished? I need it NOW! I'm tired of using a lame gamepad! Whats the hold up man? lol.... :)
Hi Walken, its finished I am just waiting on a loan to get new tools and a 3D printer. I am ready to open but have to go through the legal shit too. Just got the business account for the bank and paypal sorted, need to finish the website and shopping cart stuff too. It is not just having an idea and selling it. I need to protect certain points which I have shared here and happy to do so but when it comes to actual products I have to patent my SPSS steering asap, so a lot of time is for that. I am also working on a special system for a full motion unit for the Technical University in Selangor, Malaysia and it has a priority for time on it. The biggest hold back is that I have spoken to all of the managing directors of public relations and marketing in the UK for 9 of the major motorcycle manufacturers. These include Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Triumph, Ducati, Aprilia, KTM and BMW!!!
I am kinda swamped with paperwork and dying to start cutting and welding shit lol.................................................................................................. GIVE ME A HAMMER!!!!!..........................Oh that wont work well with 3D printing lol.
I am putting a priority on my desktop clamp-on system to start with as I think it is what most of you want and have space for. I also want to release details of my systems that let you quickly, and I mean in 60 seconds and less, adapt your steering wheel system to handlebars with various input options!!!
I am permanently looking for lower priced parts to keep costs down as much as possible.
The next month should be D-Day time with luck.
DD
Theres a fair few things id like to see improved with GPB and some things really frustrate me about the whole project..
But..
Smashing in a whole load of laps at victoria with the 600's over the last couple of days has put a huge smile back on my face lol ;D in fact id say it pisses all over previous beta's.. Based on the feedback we get from the bikes, we can really attack the track now which is a great feeling. Powerslides, backing it in, great reactions with the suspension and bike movements.. Its all there!
@DD your desktop handlebars would sell quite well I think!
Thats what Im hoping BOBPPP ;D But its not all about me m8. The main reason I started this was for fun in many ways but it has grown into much more. I have seen how much GPB means to you guys but also how much bike sims/games are left behind because of the controls we had to use. Its time to set it right and I want to eventually make it that its just like car sims and everyone can have a good controller and really enjoy what we love more.
I am praying GPB fixes so much as I have also gotten the manufacturers interested in GPB!!! I know Piboso will get there in the end, but sooner is always better than later. I am working on trying to get funds not just for myself right now but also for Piboso, its GPB that makes my systems work at their best because its the only real sim there is and allows real inputs from any controller. I have spent this year building the contacts and pushing my systems in some pretty high places with great interest coming back, but at the same time I have been pushing GPB in the same places and there is a lot of interest to say the least. I will not know for another few weeks from the manufacturers but most were very positive and when presented correctly there is a big future for motorcycle simulation software and hardware. Look at the car racing simulations and the integration of them in real world racing. Its a long road but I know with determination and quality work GPB and lil ol guys like me can change the motorcycle simulation industry.
GPBikes is best so FUCK the rest!!!
DD.................I say it as it is