as it would be if someone here would have the opportunity for GPBike a t-shirt to print swetter or cap?
if someone can here you could even make a collective order.
I would definitely define all three things.
was just so a train of thought.
greeting
sorry for my google english
That could be a good idea! Maybe someone could post pictures of some design ideas and Piboso might just take up the idea for extra funding? ;D 8)
Hawk.
I am going to be having T-shirts etc for my company and will be having GPBikes Logos on them too with a good in-game shot too on the back, ca 10in.x10in. (25cmx25cm). Its a month or two away though.
I will post when done but thinking of holding a thread for best edited in-game screenshot for the graphic on the back of the T-shirt.
There will be a logo on each arm and right breast too. An option for a large chest logo too.
I am still doing the fine finish to my new logo before I do this.
Out of interest, to think about how much better they can look, How much are you guys thinking is a fair price you would pay ?
DD
:o
Not sure I'm comfortable with the idea unofficial merchandising and persons making money using the GP Bikes logo :-\
I dont intend to make money from your logo Piboso, I said a while back that it would mean you get advertizing AND money from the intake for the t-shirts or whatever has your logo on it. I am 100% behind you and GPBikes and am also just a small one man show, so I know how it is. The idea is to promote my products and yours together as I use GPB and MXB as a rule. I NEED your development to improve GPB and therefore it is only natural that you would receive money from this. We spoke about this a while back but much has happened since then and delayed things.
For the record, I am a business minded person but not a thief......................do I look like a lawyer lol.
Hope you understand now and I was not going to do anything until your approval of the design and concept anyways.
Any idea on the next beta or an alpha??????
Thanks
DD
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Any idea on the next beta or an alpha??????
I'm pretty sure "Beta's" come after "Alpha'" releases unless I'm going crazy DD. Hehe. ;D
Hawk.
Quote from: PiBoSo on March 08, 2015, 02:25:25 PM
:o
Not sure I'm comfortable with the idea unofficial merchandising and persons making money using the GP Bikes logo :-\
Copyright,Trademark! Royalties! Do it, nowwww!
OKAY fine............We spoke about this before and it was okay to do, but obviously forgotten. Sorry to try and help and actually put money into GPB.
I wont bother you with such trivial things again. I will ensure all my contact with bike manufacturers that i have spoken to and will be arranging to use my simulators at shows, events and in dealership showrooms in the near future, have NO knowledge of Piboso, GPB or MXB. I shall remove the GPB and MXB sections from my new website and all of the other sites and forums I have pushed the name Piboso, MXB or GPB so as to not upset you both any further.
I apologize for having blatantly disrespecting you and wrongly assuming you would appreciate publicity and financial help.
If you require me to leave the forum I fully understand and will do so immediately.
Allan JP Beaton
????
Is a bit of this thread missing, thats quite a response to make.
Last bit from PiBoso seemed to a general shot at the 'unofficial' part and not particularly aimed at you DD but at the thread in general, i'm sure if you have a previous agreement then he would just want to be in the loop to say he was OK with the presentation of his logo before anything was produced but i think that is typical for any sponsor.
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
OKAY fine............We spoke about this before and it was okay to do, but obviously forgotten. Sorry to try and help and actually put money into GPB.
I wont bother you with such trivial things again. I will ensure all my contact with bike manufacturers that i have spoken to and will be arranging to use my simulators at shows, events and in dealership showrooms in the near future, have NO knowledge of Piboso, GPB or MXB. I shall remove the GPB and MXB sections from my new website and all of the other sites and forums I have pushed the name Piboso, MXB or GPB so as to not upset you both any further.
I apologize for having blatantly disrespecting you and wrongly assuming you would appreciate publicity and financial help.
If you require me to leave the forum I fully understand and will do so immediately.
Allan JP Beaton
Whoa!! Calm down DD... What's up mate, you get out the wrong side of bed this morning. Lol
Hawk.
I asked ages ago and it was okayed but lately anytime I offer to push GPB I get nailed for it so I am sick of a slap in the face for trying to help AFTER it was said there is no problem.
No problem I will just use MotoGP or RIDE in the future
DD
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
OKAY fine............We spoke about this before and it was okay to do, but obviously forgotten. Sorry to try and help and actually put money into GPB.
I wont bother you with such trivial things again. I will ensure all my contact with bike manufacturers that i have spoken to and will be arranging to use my simulators at shows, events and in dealership showrooms in the near future, have NO knowledge of Piboso, GPB or MXB. I shall remove the GPB and MXB sections from my new website and all of the other sites and forums I have pushed the name Piboso, MXB or GPB so as to not upset you both any further.
I apologize for having blatantly disrespecting you and wrongly assuming you would appreciate publicity and financial help.
If you require me to leave the forum I fully understand and will do so immediately.
Allan JP Beaton
Allan,
Money is money and friends are friends but the two don't mix. Maybe Piboso wants to monitor how GPBikes is represented regardless.
To keep peace on this level I believe its only fair to not get offended by Piboso's post as he should be looking out for his own interest as you should also. Your concept should present itself on its own merit without the help of GPBikes and vice versa. If you are demoing your concept at a booth at an electronics show and the client is more interested in GPBikes or again vice versa feeling can get hurt.
To put it lightly, I'm sure Piboso doesn't want to be your little bitch and I'm sure you don't want to be his little bitch.
This reminds me of a local studio engineer I know very well who has clients that tell him "hey man we're gonna be huge sooooooo maybe you can work with us and give us a break, so that way when we become famous you will have part of the glory" pffffffffffffff...
Don't take it so personal man. Just keep at your project as I'm sure people here are excited about it.
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 06:24:24 PM
I asked ages ago and it was okayed but lately anytime I offer to push GPB I get nailed for it so I am sick of a slap in the face for trying to help AFTER it was said there is no problem.
No problem I will just use MotoGP or RIDE in the future
DD
Yes. I remember it well. But if I remember rightly, Piboso gave you permission to promote GPB/MXB on your website and(correct me if I'm wrong here) also for permission to promote GPB/MXB at any events/exhibitions you do. I'm pretty sure he never gave permission for you to sell merchandise as part of that agreement(selling merchandise is another serious level of promotion altogether). Agreements like that require official/legal contracts and not just verbal agreements, you know that DD.... That is all Piboso is saying that he is not happy about anyone making and selling merchandise under the GPB/MXB or any other of his products without official license to do so, understandable don't you think?...... I think there has just been a misunderstanding in what Piboso has posted here.
Your doing a great job mate, but I am a little surprised at your reaction to such a comment.... I mean you have to stand back and ask yourself: If someone started selling merchandise on your companies good name without license to do so how would you feel? Promotion of a product and selling merchandise under a product name are two totally different things altogether. ;) :)
Hawk.
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 06:24:24 PM
I asked ages ago and it was okayed but lately anytime I offer to push GPB I get nailed for it so I am sick of a slap in the face for trying to help AFTER it was said there is no problem.
No problem I will just use MotoGP or RIDE in the future
DD
Bit of advice, don't get disappointed because what you think is the way isn't for others. You won't go far in the business world that way.
Besides GPBikes is the ONLY gig in town when it comes to motorcycle simulation so I wouldn't be so quick to brush it off and head on over to console games as that market isn't about what you are portraying to be building, hence you need GPBikes not vice versa 8)
FINE
If you want to belive I NEED GPB go ahead...............I dont need jack shit son. I am damn good at marketing and dont need nobody to help me. I was offering to advertize GPB and give some money too, but you think your GODS for having GPB well your just the same as us and it dont give you the right to put people down for trying to help purely out of kindness and respect for your product.
Dont worry I an out of here and wont bother your kingdom again.
DD
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
FINE............I DONT NEED THIS SHIT
IM GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
DD
Don't be daft DD. Lol
No one is ganging up on you here or disrespecting you mate..... Your a valued member of this community and it would be a shame for you to take all this the wrong way and end it all.... You have a good thing going there with your controllers, don't throw all that away. ::)
Come back and chill man!!! ;D 8)
Hawk.
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
FINE
lol, are you sure your not a girl? Is it that time of month? ;D
Geez guys, seriously ... you mean DD was going to make money because of (or thanks to) the GPB logo ?! Really ? :o
We're speaking of GPB, not Luis Vuitton here. I'd be utterly surprised if DD was able to sell 20 GPB t-shirt, so if you want to call this "unofficial merchandising" or "make money using the GP Bikes logo" fine, except the scale is ridiculous and nobody was going to make any money (except, maybe Piboso).
Totally Piboso's right to not agree with the idea, but to me it's just another wasted chance for GPB to have some free visibility/advertising (and maybe some free cash too, if I understand DD right). Which is funny when we're often served the "GPB does not sell enough" little story ...
Anyway, whatever ...
@WALKEN: not sure DD finds your humor utterly funny right now ...
MaX.
what is the going on here :o
but I just wanted a t-shirt or a swetter with a GPBike logo. 8)
i need no more >:(
You know something WALKEN.......you really think the sun shines out of a dark crevice on your body, who the hell are you to talk to me like your a frickin GOD, your a moderator mate, nothing more.
Use your power and ban me, your loss not mine, you have no respect for those of us that try our best to help Piboso just because we are good people. How dare you insult me saying I NEED and will USE Piboso.
Thats the last time you insult me mate!!!!
DD
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 08:35:22 PM
You know something WALKEN.......you really think the sun shines out of a dark crevice on your body, who the hell are you to talk to me like your a frickin GOD, your a moderator mate, nothing more.
Use your power and ban me, your loss not mine, you have no respect for those of us that try our best to help Piboso just because we are good people. How dare you insult me saying I NEED and will USE Piboso.
Thats the last time you insult me mate!!!!
DD
How old are we? If your going to act like a little cry baby then expected to be treated as such! No one here thinks their $hit doesn't stink including myself, so please just get over it and lets move on. If you feel as if I offended you in any way I am sorry.
Why should I have to explain myself if you can't understand my statements?
You DO need Piboso as you are designing a controller based around motorcycle simulation correct? Well The last time I checked GPBikes is the ONLY motorcycle simulator hence you need Piboso's work to complete your project unless you are going to simply use it for arcade based games on the market already?
Even if I could I see no reason to ban you at all.
Even if you were to make $10 off of GPBikes it would be $10 to much as it isn't yours to make decisions with is all I am saying. If you and Piboso come to an agreement with figures of merchandise then so be it. But to just use the GPBike logo at will along side your own product regardless of your intentions isn't good business.
Also I never said you had bad intention. I think your frustrated because every time you try to do something to promote your product combined with GPBikes you are shut down. This isn't the first time right?
So its in your court man, I said I was sorry as I felt I did nothing wrong other than maybe a little ball breaking. My suggestion is if you have ideas to promote GPBikes along side you product to first and foremost contact Piboso with the idea before chiming in on the forums about how your going to use the logo.
I'd be a bit upset if you were going to use my bands logo on your shirt without proper channels taken through management.
Do some thinking bro, and don't be upset with me... Your talent is more than welcome here, no one is asking you to piss off or implying it.
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
OKAY fine............We spoke about this before and it was okay to do, but obviously forgotten. Sorry to try and help and actually put money into GPB.
I wont bother you with such trivial things again. I will ensure all my contact with bike manufacturers that i have spoken to and will be arranging to use my simulators at shows, events and in dealership showrooms in the near future, have NO knowledge of Piboso, GPB or MXB. I shall remove the GPB and MXB sections from my new website and all of the other sites and forums I have pushed the name Piboso, MXB or GPB so as to not upset you both any further.
I apologize for having blatantly disrespecting you and wrongly assuming you would appreciate publicity and financial help.
If you require me to leave the forum I fully understand and will do so immediately.
Allan JP Beaton
The potential issue is related to this topic in general ( unofficial merchandising ), not you in particular.
Quote from: HornetMaX on March 08, 2015, 07:51:56 PM
Geez guys, seriously ... you mean DD was going to make money because of (or thanks to) the GPB logo ?! Really ? :o
We're speaking of GPB, not Luis Vuitton here. I'd be utterly surprised if DD was able to sell 20 GPB t-shirt, so if you want to call this "unofficial merchandising" or "make money using the GP Bikes logo" fine, except the scale is ridiculous and nobody was going to make any money (except, maybe Piboso).
Totally Piboso's right to not agree with the idea, but to me it's just another wasted chance for GPB to have some free visibility/advertising (and maybe some free cash too, if I understand DD right). Which is funny when we're often served the "GPB does not sell enough" little story ...
Anyway, whatever ...
@WALKEN: not sure DD finds your humor utterly funny right now ...
MaX.
I understand the scale so well, that I wrote: "Not sure I'm comfortable with the idea", and not: "I'll contact my legal department" ( that is imaginary, of course ) ;D
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Quote from: WALKEN on March 08, 2015, 10:36:15 PM
How old are we? If your going to act like a little cry baby then expected to be treated as such!......
If you feel as if I offended you in any way I am sorry.....
Why should I have to explain myself if you can't understand my statements?.....
So its in your court man, I said I was sorry as I felt I did nothing wrong other than maybe a little ball breaking........
Do some thinking bro, and don't be upset with me... Your talent is more than welcome here, no one is asking you to piss off or implying it.
First of a 'slap' just for the start... plus this thinking: 'expect to be treated like a...' well this thinking...
Second comes an apology... which is followed by a '...why should i explain myself...' to be followed by an apology...
And finally a hug in the end!...
Well maybe dd overreacted in his post but i cant critisize that cause its simply not my business but to your thinking you as a moderator if you feel that you should or have to 'throw' it back then...
...then we once HAD a wonderful community.
:o And we still do have a wonderful community.
Wow, big deal I'm a moderator, lol... Just some sorry chump that comes on everyday to scan the site for anything out of place. DoubleDragonCC should apologize for acting out in the manner that he did.
Shall we keep breaking this down down further and further, or can we simply move on?
Point is, do not use the GPBikes logo for your own purposes of monetary gains. Simple!
Quote from: WALKEN on March 09, 2015, 07:14:04 PM
Point is, do not use the GPBikes logo for your own purposes of monetary gains. Simple!
You should re-read (carefully) dd's 2nd post (which was straight in reply to Piboso's and well before your own posts), because most likely you've skipped the key point:
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
I dont intend to make money from your logo Piboso, I said a while back that it would mean you get advertizing AND money from the intake for the t-shirts or whatever has your logo on it.
Sounds explicit enough to me. Still Piboso's right to refuse, of course.
MaX.
Quote from: WALKEN on March 09, 2015, 07:14:04 PM
:o And we still do have a wonderful community....
...Just some sorry chump...
...
Hey Piboso, do you mind if I use your logo, not to make any money from it just to sweeten the pot of my own creation?
C'mon guys I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night. Carry on.
I agree with walken..
Although I think piboso should welcome all and any help he can get!
Anything to do with buisness/money should be discussed and agreed on behind the scenes.. Otherwise these threads happen! ::)
Listen Walken lets take this outside the forum.
1. You accuse me of USING the logo for my own gain......WRONG I dont need it I was offering to spread the name of GPB around, in fact it would get in the way of my own design but I wanted to help get money for the community ie PIBOSO and you call me a user
2. You use stupid insulting comments like calling me a little bitch on a period and you say its not being childish!!!!
3. Your wrong on all points about me and dont have the balls to say it to my face but your a big man online
4. You have permanently beaten me down at any offer of help for raising funds for PIBOSO!!!!! which is for the community!!!!
5. You expect me to apologize for your rudeness and insults
6. Your basically calling me scum and a thief by USING others for my own gain........what part of giving money to PIBOSO is for myself??????
7. Your an arrogant moderator who thinks that it gives you the right to be insulting, rude and lie about others just because you can not be kicked off for being so.
8 You just lost PIBOSO money and free marketing You must feel so proud!!!!!!
Thanks for the kind PM's guys, at least I know the community knows the truth. Thank you and goodbye all.
A personal vendetta.. Nice ::)
Why not just try and discuss something in private with piboso?
Dont throw it all away over this DD.
Too late BOBPPPPPPP we get on so well and then the moderator has a hair up his ass and gets big headed because he is a moderator he aint nothing but a normal person and I dont let people talk to me like that in real life so why should I put up with it here just because I am trying to help????
Screw that
Not gonna waste no more breath on it BOBPPP. Have a great day my friend
DD
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on March 09, 2015, 11:26:46 PM
I agree with walken..
Although I think piboso should welcome all and any help he can get!
Anything to do with buisness/money should be discussed and agreed on behind the scenes.. Otherwise these threads happen! ::)
Thank you Bob for the vote of confidence!
I am here to help Piboso, not to hinder the progress but quite the opposite. I hope everyone that is here to offer their own unique ability understands the situation for what it is worth.
I didn't offer my services to divide our community. One thing you always have to realize is that GPBikes belongs to Piboso, it is his work to call the shots on.