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Title: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Napalm Nick on April 15, 2015, 02:06:13 PM
Having been set a task I was just about to give up when GPBikes started playing the game.

The other halves moaning about "that's the bloody kitchen table again", suddenly drowned in Eureka's!!

this is da bonggg as I think they say. I can see!

(http://i57.tinypic.com/11vofmg.jpg)

(http://i62.tinypic.com/ms1548.jpg)

get 3 monitors NOW! :D

I can't stop dancing
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: teeds on April 15, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
Looks saweet ineedy! I would if VR headsets weren't so close to release ;)
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Bambino on April 15, 2015, 02:56:53 PM
Wow! :o

What configuration you have to good see onboard? You can give me please?

Thanks and congratulations! ;)
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Hawk on April 15, 2015, 03:26:42 PM
Very nice Nick! ;D 8)

Hawk
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Napalm Nick on April 15, 2015, 03:49:33 PM
Quote from: teeds on April 15, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
Looks saweet ineedy! I would if VR headsets weren't so close to release ;)
Agreed hopefully peripheral vision and clarity in VR will be the same or better. It sure won't need as much space  ::)

Quote from: Hawk UK on April 15, 2015, 03:26:42 PM
Very nice Nick! ;D 8)

Hawk
Thanks  I think you would like this setup. If you take into account the 180ish deg rear view too its almost full surround vision

Quote from: Bambino on April 15, 2015, 02:56:53 PM
Wow! :o

What configuration you have to good see onboard? You can give me please?

Thanks and congratulations! ;)

Thanks I have just thrown it together here to see if its possible I will list my setup soon
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 15, 2015, 06:26:48 PM
Great to see others trying this. I tried triple 27in Asus HD screens last year and was great, BUT, I found it felt a bit stretched no matter what settings and find a 50in. screen thats about 4ft away to be almost as if ON the bike. I have eye problems, frickin heritage of my family, so it is different for me. It is worth to experiment with what you have in turms of not just the FOV but how far you are from the screen.

You may be surprised by just moving a screen closer to you and changing the FOV.

DD
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Napalm Nick on April 15, 2015, 07:29:52 PM
Yeh I found a FOV and Res that allowed 100% main and 85% side coverage which helped with the stretch nicely.
At the moment I'm just happy watching my whole arm move during the raise arm gesture  :D
You could say i'm easily pleased but for me having this peripheral vision is a revolution. And of course when combined with head movement controls and even the corner anticipation its even better.

One other point was the trouble I have when the bike goes out of view in 1st person during a fast tight turn - well now the bike is still in the riders peripheral vision on screen like it would be in real. Its sweet.

Like you say the scale is now almost 1:1 might try it with me elmit on  :o :D

Shame the dining table  is required I'd like to try with other riders on track.
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Napalm Nick on April 24, 2015, 03:34:49 PM
Sorry I have been quiet lately , some sad family business to sort out, however....here's a little vid I made of the 3 monitor malarkey.
https://www.youtube.com/v/ueHGQZHCLu4&feature=youtu.be
Hope you like it  ;)

Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Hawk on April 24, 2015, 04:18:49 PM
Very nice Nick..... It would be interesting to see how much you can see riders who are coming up the inside of you on those outer monitors?  ;D

Hawk.
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Napalm Nick on April 24, 2015, 04:23:07 PM
Thanks Hawk,

Yes I just had a race with our Japanese friends down in Philip Island on 500's it worked pretty well, I managed to avoid a lot of overtakers lol.  :D
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: HornetMaX on April 25, 2015, 09:40:13 AM
Looks nice ! What's the FOV ?

MaX.
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Napalm Nick on April 25, 2015, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on April 25, 2015, 09:40:13 AM
Looks nice ! What's the FOV ?
MaX.

This setup was not the optimal one I was using under a different profile and is at 85%. I found 67% was about right for me on an earlier test  but it will depend on individual peripheral setup, res and monitor size of course.

Wish I'd had more time to calibrate for bezel alignment and thickness and height etc but it worked and that was the main aim.
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: HornetMaX on April 25, 2015, 10:48:19 AM
85% ?! You mean 85 degrees ?

MaX.
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Napalm Nick on April 25, 2015, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on April 25, 2015, 10:48:19 AM
85% ?! You mean 85 degrees ?
MaX.

Um....... of course     :-[
85 on the slidey-thing, degrees makes sense but it could be owl-head rotations.   
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Klax75 on April 30, 2015, 07:55:06 AM
This looks kind of cool.

34" Class 21:9 UltraWide
http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-29UM67-P-ultrawide-led-monitor (http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-29UM67-P-ultrawide-led-monitor)

This is a picture scaled down from the original size but with the same proportions so it will be on the screen. This is a screen shot of my screen at 1920x1080, then used photoshop to add in the addition area that would make it 2560 x 1080. My field of view I use in GP Bikes is 80 degrees so I can try to see people passing me on the sides. Also to see my shadow at times to try and hold me lean angle.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7742/17131685088_525380feef_b.jpg)

Not a three monitor system that I long for but interesting. :)

I have a Oculus Rift DK2, but I'm worried since every game I've used with it is a 1x1 ratio for head movement. And for me, I would never be able to turn my head around far enough to see behind me. :/ Since it gives you slight tunnel vision already. Car Sim's aren't as bad, since you have mirrors.
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Napalm Nick on April 30, 2015, 08:18:34 AM
Indeed it does Klax.

I'm not convinced the width only resolution increase will give any significant benefit to seeing what is around you though, even at full 90 degree FOV.
A three monitor set-up \_/ style gives proper front and side views not a stretch, hence its hard work for the graphic card displaying 3 views at once but it sure is sweet.

I didn't realise the Occulus only has 1:1 movement - that isn't good maybe the final version will have some scaling software? Another reason TRACKIR support would be nice.

All things considered I believe you should treat yourself to two more monitors. Even small 19" ones are ideal (ideally all 3 @19" but AMD EyeInfinity can compensate well for different sizes ). Amazon is only a click away  ;) 
("other electrical retailers are available" lol)

Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Klax75 on April 30, 2015, 08:25:42 AM
Quote from: Napalm Nick on April 30, 2015, 08:18:34 AM
Indeed it does Klax.

I'm not convinced the width only resolution increase will give any significant benefit to seeing what is around you though, even at full 90 degree FOV.
A three monitor set-up \_/ style gives proper front and side views not a stretch, hence its hard work for the graphic card displaying 3 views at once but it sure is sweet.

I didn't realise the Occulus only has 1:1 movement - that isn't good maybe the final version will have some scaling software? Another reason TRACKIR support would be nice.

All things considered I believe you should treat yourself to two more monitors. Even small 19" ones are ideal (ideally all 3 @19" but AMD EyeInfinity can compensate well for different sizes ). Amazon is only a click away  ;) 
("other electrical retailers are available" lol)

I actually already have 2 23" monitors, but one is unhooked right now since the Rift is in it's place. I just don't have the room for another monitor. lol
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: teeds on April 30, 2015, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: Napalm Nick on April 30, 2015, 08:18:34 AM
I didn't realise the Occulus only has 1:1 movement - that isn't good maybe the final version will have some scaling software? Another reason TRACKIR support would be nice.

Fair enough if you want to adjust the movement ratio but 1:1 is exactly how it should be, for it not to be will undermine the realism. Better solution might be using the current button to look back, assuming this will still be available while using VR headsets?
Title: Re: Peripheral vision with your peripherals
Post by: Napalm Nick on April 30, 2015, 12:46:40 PM
Very true teeds nothing should undermine realism, where possible.
Really I was referring to scaling for people unable to use 1:1 for physical reasons but yes the look back button will compensate if required. It must be kept in the game anyway, I'm sure not everyone's gonna be able to splash out for VR.