RIDE is falling apart by the day on steam. Milestone is absent and do nothing to fix all the problems with their game, and there are a lot of unhappy customers, me included.
I tried getting a refund, but its impossible. So I'm actively promoting gpbikes in their popular forum. You will likely see some new people around, so please be nice to them :)
That's a good idea to bring more people to the community :) People on the Steam community are getting crazy because of the game, and to be honnest, Milestone doesn't help a lot. That's a pitty, since the game without bugs would be very good.
Note : Milestone is currently working on a new patch (I wrote an email to support). No idea of the content, and of course we don't have any idea of the release date :-\
Quote from: pleclair on May 12, 2015, 01:31:20 PM
RIDE is falling apart by the day on steam. Milestone is absent and do nothing to fix all the problems with their game, and there are a lot of unhappy customers, me included.
That's some unexpected news. Their past games (MotoGP XY, MXGP, ...) had such a high quality and such a good support that I really don't get what went wrong with RIDE.
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Quote from: pleclair on May 12, 2015, 01:31:20 PM
I tried getting a refund, but its impossible.
You tried to get a ... what ?!?!?
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Quote from: pleclair on May 12, 2015, 01:31:20 PM
So I'm actively promoting gpbikes in their popular forum. You will likely see some new people around, so please be nice to them :)
Sorry, can't do. They bought RIDE, they have to stand a bit of tarring and feathering :)
Nice initiative though !
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 12, 2015, 07:37:59 PM
Sorry, can't do. They bought RIDE, they have to stand a bit of tarring and feathering :)
Nice initiative though !
MaX.
+1
very nice max ;D
Playing Rides since first day of demo was launched, DigitalDeluxe edition. Yes, there were crashes with game progress (except bikes in garage and money), but they were fixed. So now I dont have any issues in any aspect.
What Im doing wrong? :-\
Quote from: Reactive on May 13, 2015, 04:13:11 PM
Playing Rides since first day of demo was launched, DigitalDeluxe edition. Yes, there were crashes with game progress (except bikes in garage and money), but they were fixed. So now I dont have any issues in any aspect.
What Im doing wrong? :-\
Nothing, except maybe taking a joke too seriously. All players are welcome, even RIDE ones. OK, as far as they don't start saying RIDE has better physics :)
MaX.
But at least in ride you don't fall off the bike for no reason whatsoever ::)
Quote from: JamoZ on May 13, 2015, 08:20:11 PM
But at least in ride you don't fall off the bike for no reason whatsoever ::)
That's true. It's a pity however that in Ride, when you're on the bike, well ... it sucks.
MaX.
Quote from: JamoZ on May 13, 2015, 08:20:11 PM
But at least in ride you don't fall off the bike for no reason whatsoever ::)
It continually surprises me to see some here defending RIDE. :o RIDE is no more than a console boy arcade sim, and if your saying it is better than GPB then you have lost the plot guys. :P
As for falling off bikes for no reason: In my opinion, bikes falling for no reason are either down to badly converted track surfaces, OR bad or incomplete bike physics.
Some of the bikes and bike sets that have been released since beta 6 have proved this to be true as some of these bike mod releases ride beautifully
on the good tracks..... Okay, there is still bike handling issues when riding uphill and downhill specially noticeable when these events are part of a corner, but those solutions will come, eventually. :)
Hawk.
Quote from: Hawk UK on May 14, 2015, 05:21:42 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on May 13, 2015, 08:20:11 PM
But at least in ride you don't fall off the bike for no reason whatsoever ::)
It continually surprises me to see some here defending RIDE. :o RIDE is no more than a console boy arcade sim, and if your saying it is better than GPB then you have lost the plot guys. :P
As for falling off bikes for no reason: In my opinion, bikes falling for no reason are either down to badly converted track surfaces, OR bad or incomplete bike physics.
Some of the bikes and bike sets that have been released since beta 6 have proved this to be true as some of these bike mod releases ride beautifully on the good tracks..... Okay, there is still bike handling issues when riding uphill and downhill specially noticeable when these events are part of a corner, but those solutions will come, eventually. :)
Hawk.
Where have i said it`s better then GPB? But the fact is that with RIDE i had more fun then i`ve had with GPB`s since beta 4. Yes, RIDE is a console fanboy arcade sim, but it provides
fun, where as gpb`s only provides
frustration at this moment. And i`m not talking about mods & good or bad tracks. It`s a fact that the basic content just isn`t fun at all. A game in this stage of development shouldn`t have to rely on mods and good tracks to keep it enjoyable.
Quote from: JamoZ on May 15, 2015, 08:56:00 AM
Quote from: Hawk UK on May 14, 2015, 05:21:42 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on May 13, 2015, 08:20:11 PM
But at least in ride you don't fall off the bike for no reason whatsoever ::)
It continually surprises me to see some here defending RIDE. :o RIDE is no more than a console boy arcade sim, and if your saying it is better than GPB then you have lost the plot guys. :P
As for falling off bikes for no reason: In my opinion, bikes falling for no reason are either down to badly converted track surfaces, OR bad or incomplete bike physics.
Some of the bikes and bike sets that have been released since beta 6 have proved this to be true as some of these bike mod releases ride beautifully on the good tracks..... Okay, there is still bike handling issues when riding uphill and downhill specially noticeable when these events are part of a corner, but those solutions will come, eventually. :)
Hawk.
Where have i said it`s better then GPB? But the fact is that with RIDE i had more fun then i`ve had with GPB`s since beta 4. Yes, RIDE is a console fanboy arcade sim, but it provides fun, where as gpb`s only provides frustration at this moment. And i`m not talking about mods & good or bad tracks. It`s a fact that the basic content just isn`t fun at all. A game in this stage of development shouldn`t have to rely on mods and good tracks to keep it enjoyable.
The first paragraph was just a general statement for some here defending RIDE as though it's a great game(not.). I highlighted the second paragraph to answer your post Jamoz. :)
We all know what development stage GPB is in right now, so I can't see the point in slagging GPB off(not talking about you personally of course, so don't take offence.) in comparing it with other titles that are a finished product.
There is no doubt whatsoever in my opinion that GPB, even in it's current stage of dev, is far more enjoyable to race with than RIDE or MotoGP 2014, unless you like the arcade style of anything goes basher racing with no consequences?
Can I ask were your frustration lies? Because as I said above, if you ride the good bikes and tracks the problems you talk about don't exist..... This is what confounds me, some here who haven't been around for a while keep coming back and making statements as though they are still talking about when beta 6 was first released when no MOD bikes were updated to work with beta 6. Maybe you need to give GPB another good try with the good tracks and bikes to find out what improvements have been made since that time? Maybe you have, I don't know..... But there certainly have been a lot of great races and champs organised since the updated bikes for beta 6.... You should come back and give GPB another go.... Your too good a rider to stay away for so long! ;)
Anyway beta 7 will be released soon so hopefully you'll come back from the dark side and back into the light. Lol ;D
Hawk.
http://www.youtube.com/v/R9lZ8S42Ypc
:P
Quote from: Hawk UK on May 15, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: JamoZ on May 15, 2015, 08:56:00 AM
Quote from: Hawk UK on May 14, 2015, 05:21:42 AM
Quote from: JamoZ on May 13, 2015, 08:20:11 PM
But at least in ride you don't fall off the bike for no reason whatsoever ::)
It continually surprises me to see some here defending RIDE. :o RIDE is no more than a console boy arcade sim, and if your saying it is better than GPB then you have lost the plot guys. :P
As for falling off bikes for no reason: In my opinion, bikes falling for no reason are either down to badly converted track surfaces, OR bad or incomplete bike physics.
Some of the bikes and bike sets that have been released since beta 6 have proved this to be true as some of these bike mod releases ride beautifully on the good tracks..... Okay, there is still bike handling issues when riding uphill and downhill specially noticeable when these events are part of a corner, but those solutions will come, eventually. :)
Hawk.
Where have i said it`s better then GPB? But the fact is that with RIDE i had more fun then i`ve had with GPB`s since beta 4. Yes, RIDE is a console fanboy arcade sim, but it provides fun, where as gpb`s only provides frustration at this moment. And i`m not talking about mods & good or bad tracks. It`s a fact that the basic content just isn`t fun at all. A game in this stage of development shouldn`t have to rely on mods and good tracks to keep it enjoyable.
The first paragraph was just a general statement for some here defending RIDE as though it's a great game(not.). I highlighted the second paragraph to answer your post Jamoz. :)
We all know what development stage GPB is in right now, so I can't see the point in slagging GPB off(not talking about you personally of course, so don't take offence.) in comparing it with other titles that are a finished product.
There is no doubt whatsoever in my opinion that GPB, even in it's current stage of dev, is far more enjoyable to race with than RIDE or MotoGP 2014, unless you like the arcade style of anything goes basher racing with no consequences?
Can I ask were your frustration lies? Because as I said above, if you ride the good bikes and tracks the problems you talk about don't exist..... This is what confounds me, some here who haven't been around for a while keep coming back and making statements as though they are still talking about when beta 6 was first released when no MOD bikes were updated to work with beta 6. Maybe you need to give GPB another good try with the good tracks and bikes to find out what improvements have been made since that time? Maybe you have, I don't know..... But there certainly have been a lot of great races and champs organised since the updated bikes for beta 6.... You should come back and give GPB another go.... Your too good a rider to stay away for so long! ;)
Anyway beta 7 will be released soon so hopefully you'll come back from the dark side and back into the light. Lol ;D
Hawk.
Trust me, i`ve tried to give gpb`s more then enough chances over the past few months ;)
It frustrates me that the playability only went downhill since beta 3/4. I can name the endless list again but i think the old timers here know exactly what i mean. The fun went out of the window at some point. Back then you didn`t need any mods to have a good time.
I might try it again when 7 is out, but i`m not holding my breath anymore ;)
Quote from: Hawk UK on May 15, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
[...] as though they are still talking about when beta 6 was first released when no MOD bikes were updated to work with beta 6. Maybe you need to give GPB another good try with the good tracks and bikes to find out what improvements have been made since that time?
I will be holding my breath for beta7, I honestly think GPB will be great in the end. But I have to admit that I share some frustration concerning beta6. There always was a good amount of progression from beta to next beta - not so for beta6 imo. Beta6 was the first that seemed to be rather a step in the wrong direction imo. The bike behaviour of the stock bikes seems bad (too much understeer) and the VR is behaving strangely in certain situations.
What you claim is, that by using modded bikes you can circumvent the problems of beta6. But what does that prove?
Imo, GPB needs accurate bike handling behaviour with the stock GPB bikes. Until then the physics parameters can only be seen as w.i.p. and the simulation is not finished. Until then, mods are merely a way of trying to keep the GPB experience alive.
But I am positive beta7 will be a big step forward. MXB beta3 def is...
@MaX: best gif I have seen here so far ;D
Hello Stout, though we lost you !
Concerning the future, as we say in italian, hope is last to die. But as I like to add, it eventually dies.
The forums are veeery quiet, all of them (GPB/WRS, KRP and MXB too). And it seems the boss prefers them like that.
MXB beta3 is a nice step forward but the reactions to it have been really few.
KRP people went nuts about online stability in last beta (no, really ?).
Anyway, I'm with Stout: the stock bikes should be good, no, they should be excellent. They should showcase how a good physics should be (don't care about the rest, there're plenty of 3d modders around).
Still, what else do we have at hand ? The square root of the log10 of bugger all (yes, I like to add my personal touch).
I tried RIDE (demo) and ODi kinda resumed my thoughts with a perfect one-liner : physics is from 1987 Super Hang-On (*).
But it has the option to swap your stock exhaust with a <INSERT COOL EXHAUST BRAND HERE> so many will like it :-[
@JamoZ: RIDE provides fun, but you are you still here ... because deep down inside that Gouda ball you like to call "brain" you know fun is not enough :)
MaX.
(*)
For the ones that are too young for that reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHGt4Zy-l6c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHGt4Zy-l6c)
Oh well.. im enjoying gpb alot at the moment, great racing online and some great championships happening.. at a good level too! i had concerns about the latest beta's but i stuck with it.. in the process realized the physics are actually pretty damn good to be fair! sure still lots of work to be done.. actually, a monumental amount of work :D but i just accepted its a slow moving project that cost me peanuts to enjoy.. i would like to see the likes of jamoZ, stout, warlock, peter and all the original guys enjoying it too! :(
Come on Max, RIDE has better physics than SEGA, its more like The Cycles for Amiga, check out this hot video of pure real life bike physics dude, even has first person on board view!
https://www.youtube.com/v/NX7n2s7zct8
Thats how good RIDES physics are lol. I actually made my first controller for this game!
DD
I`m still here because i can`t live without you ::)
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Quote from: JamoZ on May 16, 2015, 11:54:28 AM
I`m still here because i can`t live without you ::)
Your answer may displease Piboso., but hey ...
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MaX.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on May 15, 2015, 09:52:14 PM
Oh well.. im enjoying gpb alot at the moment, great racing online and some great championships happening.. at a good level too! i had concerns about the latest beta's but i stuck with it.. in the process realized the physics are actually pretty damn good to be fair! sure still lots of work to be done.. actually, a monumental amount of work :D but i just accepted its a slow moving project that cost me peanuts to enjoy.. i would like to see the likes of jamoZ, stout, warlock, peter and all the original guys enjoying it too! :(
Beta 6 is the worst thing ever......in beta 3 and 4 i play this game every day now i dont play it at all.......the front wheal is killing this game ......imagine to play Assetto Corsa and in slow corners you car will jump like crazy and then you go to Assetto Corsas FORUM and read that people like it :o .......well i don't know about you but for me it is NOT REAL to lose the "front" of a bike that easy in slow corners...... it is much easier to ride a bike in real life ON THE LIMIT than it is to play beta 6
well i dont really have any issues anymore.. if you don't play how do you know?? :)
i understand what you are saying.. i started playing from beta3, but looking back at beta3 the bikes were on rails in comparison.. sure easier to control.. everybody always bangs on about how easy real bikes are to ride at the limit.... that is a load of bollocks believe me.
anyway the 600's and sbk bikes etc (yes i know they are mod bikes) are really stable around slow corners.... i dont understand why people dont like it? lol
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on May 16, 2015, 03:31:46 PM
well i dont really have any issues anymore.. if you don't play how do you know?? :)
i understand what you are saying.. i started playing from beta3, but looking back at beta3 the bikes were on rails in comparison.. sure easier to control.. everybody always bangs on about how easy real bikes are to ride at the limit.... that is a load of bollocks believe me.
anyway the 600's and sbk bikes etc (yes i know they are mod bikes) are really stable around slow corners.... i dont understand why people dont like it? lol
+1 Bob! Agree with everything you say there mate. ;)
Abigor, I really don't understand were your coming from nowadays? If you ride the good bikes(MOD Bikes) on the good circuits you won't have a problem, but it sounds to me like your trying to ride default bikes on crap circuits? What's happening mate? :)
Hawk.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on May 16, 2015, 03:31:46 PM
everybody always bangs on about how easy real bikes are to ride at the limit.... that is a load of bollocks believe me.
To me one of the thing that feels weird is that sometimes in GPB it's hard to ride even well below the limit. Sometimes it's kind of unpredictable.
MaX.
i dont have an answer for that one MaX lol :D
these days i try (believe it or not lol) to not comment on this kind of stuff, purely because whatever anybody says, somebody else will have a completely different view of it lol. It goes around in circles... and with no feedback or input or anything from piboso.. what is the point?
i just try to enjoy what we have at the moment.. if you play it enough, the plus sides outweigh the negatives (for me personally). that's all i can really say.
I find the smaller the bike gets the worse the random front folds are. Its definitely a problem surely. I see people tuning it out with obscene suspension settings but its still there for a lot of people and doing that isn't right anyway!
I'm stuck in the middle of this discussion (well this hijacked bit), just giving my view as someone who experiences it straight in at B6 and no previous Beta comparisons. If my real bike was this unpredictable I would burn it lol. :D
I admire your approach Bob. I agree the pluses massively outweigh the negatives and I have a bucket of fun! That is when I'm not sticking pins in my eyes after another fall. ;D The fact there appears to be only this one bone of contention is great isn't it?
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on May 16, 2015, 03:31:46 PM
well i dont really have any issues anymore.. if you don't play how do you know?? :)
i understand what you are saying.. i started playing from beta3, but looking back at beta3 the bikes were on rails in comparison.. sure easier to control.. everybody always bangs on about how easy real bikes are to ride at the limit.... that is a load of bollocks believe me.
anyway the 600's and sbk bikes etc (yes i know they are mod bikes) are really stable around slow corners.... i dont understand why people dont like it? lol
+2
Quote from: Napalm Nick on May 16, 2015, 04:13:35 PM
If my real bike was this unpredictable I would burn it lol. :D
lol exactly, ...not to mention on a track at motogp level, i can imagine Casey Stoner and some others cutting some heads off in pits, after a single lap. ;D
:D we have great motorcycle physics, 600's, superbikes etc BUT ... motogp??
nah..
Quote from: Warlock on May 17, 2015, 12:00:13 AM
Quote from: Napalm Nick on May 16, 2015, 04:13:35 PM
If my real bike was this unpredictable I would burn it lol. :D
lol exactly, ...not to mention on a track at motogp level, i can imagine Casey Stoner and some others cutting some heads off in pits, after a single lap. ;D
Japanese engineers would probably commit hara-kiri even before the rider is back in the pits.
Not sure about italian ones though :)
MaX.
lol ;D
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on May 16, 2015, 03:31:46 PMeverybody always bangs on about how easy real bikes are to ride at the limit.... that is a load of bollocks believe me.
+1, but I agree with Max when he says that the problem with GP Bikes is that it's difficult way below the limit!
I rode 75 laps last week at the track (8 to 9 seconds away from the 600 lap record, so below the limit) and I didn't crash. I could never do the same in GP bikes... Maybe I'm better in real life than in GP bikes, but still :P
I am the worst driver ever... (i use a PS2 Pad ;D) with 125 bike on Victoria 40+ laps (i have second record maybe ???) no crash.
Who says it is unplayable... he wants an arcade :-X
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 08:04:32 AM
I am the worst driver ever... (i use a PS2 Pad ;D) with 125 bike on Victoria 40+ laps (i have second record maybe ???) no crash.
Who says it is unplayable... he wants an arcade :-X
Can you do the same with the Murasama? or sbks?
Yes ;D Murasama, for me it is much easier i ride in 1:29. With 125 its very easy lost the front in first corner on Victoria :)
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 08:04:32 AM
I am the worst driver ever... (i use a PS2 Pad ;D) with 125 bike on Victoria 40+ laps (i have second record maybe ???) no crash.
Who says it is unplayable... he wants an arcade :-X
On the Moto3 I can do a lot of laps in GP bikes without crashing but the bigger bikes are a different story...
No moto 3... MSM 125RR 07, with Murasama its very easy...
EDIT: My best time (victoria) with Murasama its 1'28"887... i can ride on 1:30 for many laps
Well you're just good then :P
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 08:04:32 AM
Who says it is unplayable... he wants an arcade :-X
Can you recommend one? I hear Ride is quite good?
Full Circle topic for the win! ;D
I'm sure of that ;D
Ride its a good GAME!
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 08:04:32 AM
I am the worst driver ever... (i use a PS2 Pad ;D) with 125 bike on Victoria 40+ laps (i have second record maybe ???) no crash.
Who says it is unplayable... he wants an arcade :-X
Can you be more specific......who wants an arcade?
QuoteWho says it is unplayable
lol
I'm going to try RIDE... and I'll probably stay with that. It's an arcade game and I'm not created to simulators...
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 08:16:25 AM
Yes ;D Murasama, for me it is much easier i ride in 1:29. With 125 its very easy lost the front in first corner on Victoria :)
Uhh, i think we all should move to RIDE then , we are too old for sims like gpb ;D
¿are you Alibaskins? lol
Alibaskins is a cyborg :o
I tried today the SBK and yes its hard, They take a lot of practice ;D
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 12:27:00 PM
QuoteWho says it is unplayable
lol
Well you say "Murasama, for me it is much easier i ride in 1:29"..well maybe that's why you think its easy.....try low 26 and come back and you will see that you lose the front much often
Quote from: Abigor on May 18, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 12:27:00 PM
QuoteWho says it is unplayable
lol
Well you say "Murasama, for me it is much easier i ride in 1:29"..well maybe that's why you think its easy.....try low 26 and come back and you will see that you lose the front much often
unplayable and difficult are two different things. Try to drive at the limit a real motogp then come back here to tell us what is "playable". It is very stupid to say that a motorcycle in a simulation should not missed the front if pushed to the limit. Ask to honda riders, yesterday all have lost the front.
Quote from: Abigor on May 18, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 12:27:00 PM
QuoteWho says it is unplayable
lol
Well you say "Murasama, for me it is much easier i ride in 1:29"..well maybe that's why you think its easy.....try low 26 and come back and you will see that you lose the front much often
I think it is normal to fall when attempting the record time?! :)
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Abigor on May 18, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on May 18, 2015, 12:27:00 PM
QuoteWho says it is unplayable
lol
Well you say "Murasama, for me it is much easier i ride in 1:29"..well maybe that's why you think its easy.....try low 26 and come back and you will see that you lose the front much often
I think it is normal to fall when attempting the record time?! :)
Look man i have nothing against this game......i love this game more then you do trust me......and i have NOTHING against to fall or lose the front when i push hard.......my problem is that the front is jumping in slow corners and thats why i lose the front .....lol
Quote from: Abigor on May 18, 2015, 04:22:17 PM
Look man i have nothing against this game......i love this game more then you do trust me......and i have NOTHING against to fall or lose the front when i push hard.......my problem is that the front is jumping in slow corners and thats why i lose the front .....lol
i will not say the frontbehavior is perfect, but i do not have these problems
exept in turns with a bad tracksurface and/or a total crappy setup.
Guys, just accept it, games and sims are like a woman, its a love/hate relationship. If you man enough you will stick around and try to make it work. If it works, it was worth it, if it dont, just move on. Its not worth bitchin about it for more than a few time, bitch a bit and live with it or %^$# it off out the door!
Everything is worth giving it one more chance.
Enjoy your Sim/Game
DD
Hahahaha yeah gpbikes is a beautiful woman but at the moment she is on her period...
Guess I must be under the thumb! :D
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on May 18, 2015, 10:06:35 PM
Hahahaha yeah gpbikes is a beautiful woman but at the moment she is on her period...
lol ! ;D
Thats one hell of a period! :'(.................. does that mean RIDE is to GPB riders as porn is to frustrated men with a girlfriend?
DD
No.. RIDE was a drunken one night stand..
Ohh dear, she looked so good last night too.... :'( :'( ;D
Anyway I took some time to refresh my mind with all the bikes..
I think all the mod bikes are very good! The wsbk's have a very good stable front end even around tight slow corners.. (something to do with what oDi tweaked on the virtual rider??) Deffinately a different style of control needed with these bikes though! Especially on the throttle... Its very good.
The default bikes..
The varese 500 feels like riding a bus.. It wont turn.
The 125 just falls over with 1degree of lean angle..
The 990 I quite like.. But after riding some mod bikes it feels like it understeers too!
All the default bikes can be improved messing around with setups but its not enough!
So yes, the base default bikes/physics need alot of work, especially with the fact they showcase the sim in the demo..
But I enjoy the mod bikes so much that I dont even care lol ;D
Everybody has a different view but personally I think the italian guys are doing a fantastic job with the bikes/physics and the CAWS team too! hopefully all these guys can work WITH piboso to improve the base content! ;) at the moment everything seems completely random and split..
+1 Bob,,
I'm grateful you took the time to do this too. I went back on the 125 lost the front unrealistically (maybe I need arcade lol) and began wondering if I had a different Beta to the pro's here. :P
You hit the nail on the head BOBPP. If the only bikes you can ride in the demo dont work any good, it puts people off paying for a license. The demo bikes need to be the BEST bikes not the worst!
DD
We Italians never lose the front! ;D
Im joking, yes the 125 default bike maybe It needs extra (piboso) work ;)
Quote from: Blackheart on May 19, 2015, 09:07:13 AM
We Italians never lose the front! ;D
Hahaha yes I wonder if maybe Italians are born with Pirelli's instead of feet lol
LOL Nick, you lucky lucky bastard (said in a very Monty Python voice) lol
DD
JUST FOR TEST!!!
Test msm 125 rr 07. DL the attachment, save the original .geom file and put this to test.
This is NOT a solution, only a CAREFREE® ACTI-FRESH® ;D
Quote from: Napalm Nick on May 19, 2015, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: Blackheart on May 19, 2015, 09:07:13 AM
We Italians never lose the front! ;D
Hahaha yes I wonder if maybe Italians are born with Pirelli's instead of feet lol
I actually have a pair of bike shoes (TCX, which is italian) with Michelin sole (guess Pirelli asked too much mark-up).
They grip fine once warmed up, the problem is I'm always asking myself if I'm using the right pressure :)
Marketing powaaaaaaa !!!!
MaX.
Heehee.
And I thought the Michelin man had 're-tyred'.
Boooom booom! ;D
Quote from: Napalm Nick on May 19, 2015, 08:52:15 PM
And I thought the Michelin man had 're-tyred'.
ROFL !!
They are back into motogp action soon, no ?
MaX.
I think next year, yes, maybe only them
Hmmm why michelin? Any more info?
The tender for who wants to be the official supplier for 2016 went out and only Michelin bothered to make a claim for it :o
Not sure what Valentino is going to do now as he was Bridgestones chief feedback giver.
I think Max should advise Michelin :D
I think Rossi has good memories of Michelin too (tyres built from quali session data, just in time for sunday race, giving Michelin riders a nice advantage), so I don't expect any major problem for him.
Anyway, he'd probably be OK even if they were running on iron tyres.
MaX.
Quote from: Alone on May 19, 2015, 11:56:45 AM
JUST FOR TEST!!!
Test msm 125 rr 07. DL the attachment, save the original .geom file and put this to test.
This is NOT a solution, only a CAREFREE® ACTI-FRESH® ;D
Much better ;D
QuoteAnyway I took some time to refresh my mind with all the bikes..
I think all the mod bikes are very good! The wsbk's have a very good stable front end even around tight slow corners.. (something to do with what oDi tweaked on the virtual rider??) Deffinately a different style of control needed with these bikes though! Especially on the throttle... Its very good.
The default bikes..
The varese 500 feels like riding a bus.. It wont turn.
The 125 just falls over with 1degree of lean angle..
The 990 I quite like.. But after riding some mod bikes it feels like it understeers too!
All the default bikes can be improved messing around with setups but its not enough!
So yes, the base default bikes/physics need alot of work, especially with the fact they showcase the sim in the demo..
But I enjoy the mod bikes so much that I dont even care lol ;D
Everybody has a different view but personally I think the italian guys are doing a fantastic job with the bikes/physics and the CAWS team too! hopefully all these guys can work WITH piboso to improve the base content! ;) at the moment everything seems completely random and split..
100% agree
BUT
What will be GPB without MOD Bikes??
Do you think that the big community will be that big without the mods?
I presume NO! (and that´s a BIG NOOO).
I had an outtime from GBP for nearly 6 month now ( to be honest i did not miss GPB in that time ???)
Now i take a look again hoping B7 will be not only update the netcode but also some physic "bugs".
As already stated before:
GPB should not rely on the Modder. The basic construct/game must be enjoyable without MODS!
I still like GPB/MXB because its the only Bike simulation out there....but to be honest i wouldn´t play GPB without Mods anymore....
Even it is the best and only bike simulator out there i would chose another game for the joy of fun.
Quote from: C21 on May 21, 2015, 08:49:44 AM
QuoteAnyway I took some time to refresh my mind with all the bikes..
I think all the mod bikes are very good! The wsbk's have a very good stable front end even around tight slow corners.. (something to do with what oDi tweaked on the virtual rider??) Deffinately a different style of control needed with these bikes though! Especially on the throttle... Its very good.
The default bikes..
The varese 500 feels like riding a bus.. It wont turn.
The 125 just falls over with 1degree of lean angle..
The 990 I quite like.. But after riding some mod bikes it feels like it understeers too!
All the default bikes can be improved messing around with setups but its not enough!
So yes, the base default bikes/physics need alot of work, especially with the fact they showcase the sim in the demo..
But I enjoy the mod bikes so much that I dont even care lol ;D
Everybody has a different view but personally I think the italian guys are doing a fantastic job with the bikes/physics and the CAWS team too! hopefully all these guys can work WITH piboso to improve the base content! ;) at the moment everything seems completely random and split..
100% agree
BUT
What will be GPB without MOD Bikes??
Do you think that the big community will be that big without the mods?
I presume NO! (and that´s a BIG NOOO).
I had an outtime from GBP for nearly 6 month now ( to be honest i did not miss GPB in that time ???)
Now i take a look again hoping B7 will be not only update the netcode but also some physic "bugs".
As already stated before:
GPB should not rely on the Modder. The basic construct/game must be enjoyable without MODS!
I still like GPB/MXB because its the only Bike simulation out there....but to be honest i wouldn´t play GPB without Mods anymore....
Even it is the best and only bike simulator out there i would chose another game for the joy of fun.
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Sorry to say but its so true. With the standard demo bike being hard for new customers that dont understand how GPB is, a bike thats hard to keep up is an automatic put off. If the modders can make bikes that handle, why cant Piboso do the same?
DD
Quote from: doubledragoncc on May 21, 2015, 11:21:15 AM
Sorry to say but its so true. With the standard demo bike being hard for new customers that dont understand how GPB is, a bike thats hard to keep up is an automatic put off. If the modders can make bikes that handle, why cant Piboso do the same?
DD
absolute agree with that. gpb is not playable with standardbikes in beta6c.
a result of this is a damn long manual for newcomers (plugins, xinput, bikesets, tracks,...).
and this long manual/configuration is also a barrier for new riders...
agree and disagree :)
GPB is a long and hard way for users liking the arcade style of MGP13,....SBKX,...
As i started with GPB in Beta4 i get really frustrated at the beginning because it was really hard to ride one full lap.
And i started with the MSM125 and the demo version.
But i also felt the realism "behind" GPB and kept on trying and trying, lap after lap.
As i feld comfortable i bought the license and still not regret it.
I was glad like a baby as a continued 5 consistend laps without a fall and joint the HL servers and Training servers.
It´s a hard way to go but it was worth the effort (until B6c araised)...
But you must a have a big tendency for real sims to like GPB and stay at it.
If i like to have fun without much training i still play my career in XXX13. Not as real as GBP but fun to play (until i get shot by the damn AI) and not that timeconsuming and nerve attacking :D
hmm for me there are two different species of GPB users.
on the one hand there are riders who know how to ride motorcycles on-/offtrack and on the other hand there is the gamerfraction.
i think its less hard to ride a full lap for someone who knows how real motorcycles behave as for a acradegamer.