Despite the fact i do consider him as one of the most talented riders ever, this should teach him that once you make some very bold comments, they can backfire ...
https://www.youtube.com/v/s51TBrRkLi0
Aftermath = broken collarbone and tibia (plus random bruises, of course).
MaX.
P.S.
His comment on Twitter (kinda confirming my thoughts): "A big thanks to my @alpinestars leathers boots and back protector, also @nolan_group Helmet, I would have been much worse off without them!" :)
"Obviously your ambition outweighs your talent" Cit. C.Stoner ;D
It's quite sad that there is so much hate among bike fans, especially against one of the few genuine persons in MotoGP history.
This post proves that even an otherwise very intelligent person can sometime write stupid things.
P.S.
The Honda official statement refers to the cause of the accident as "mechanical trouble".
Did you hear the bike on the limiter before he crashed?
The throttle got stuck and he had no choice but to lay it down.
I have zero hate for him and have volunteered many times to defend him from the attacks of the 46 fanboys (:) ). However, Stoner's latest declarations were far from delicate.
Now if the accident was a mechanical trouble, that's sad. From the images however it seems he had a trouble with the front first. After that, it looked indeed as if he was unable to slow down (which would confirm the mechanic/electronic problem).
MaX.
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 26, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
especially against one of the few genuine persons in MotoGP history.
You`re joking right?
I don`t hate the dude, he was obviously a talentend bloke or else he wouldn`t have grabbed those championships. But in all my years of following MotoGP i have never heard a rider complain about the equipment, other riders, the track, conditions, health etc etc as much as Stoner.
After his famous quote "Obviously your ambition outweighs your talent" , this crash must have hurt his ego just as much as it did his body...
Ouuff nasty crash!! Not a good feeling heading towards the grass.. iv'e had the throttle stuck open on me before and crashed.. its horrible :-\
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 26, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
It's quite sad that there is so much hate among bike fans, especially against one of the few genuine persons in MotoGP history.
This post proves that even an otherwise very intelligent person can sometime write stupid things.
P.S.
The Honda official statement refers to the cause of the accident as "mechanical trouble".
Are you starting trouble again Piboso ;D
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 26, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
especially against one of the few genuine persons in MotoGP history.
No, it's actually one of the worst characters in the history of MotoGP ... and I have nothing against him, is history.
The trouble with the front end is the result of trying to grab the front brake while still accelerating. Then after that he immediately grabs the clutch and the bike goes on the limiter until he hits the grass. If you play the video at .5 speed its easier to see.
Quote from: Blackheart on July 26, 2015, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 26, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
especially against one of the few genuine persons in MotoGP history.
No, it's actually one of the worst characters in the history of MotoGP ... and I have nothing against him, is history.
Suggested reading: "Pushing the Limits" by Casey Stoner.
Just to re-state, Stoner is most likely in my top-3 of the most skilled riders ever (of the ones I've witnessed, let's say form the 80's). It's just the declarations he does after having quit the show that are annoying.
One can do this sort of declarations when he is in the show (but he didn't at the time). Once you leave, you're entitled an opinion of course, but he always implies he's better.
There's only one way to prove he's better ...
MaX.
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 26, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on July 26, 2015, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 26, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
especially against one of the few genuine persons in MotoGP history.
No, it's actually one of the worst characters in the history of MotoGP ... and I have nothing against him, is history.
Suggested reading: "Pushing the Limits" by Casey Stoner.
I will read it ... but I imagine it will be like to read something written by Max Biaggi ::)
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 26, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
It's quite sad that there is so much hate among bike fans, especially against one of the few genuine persons in MotoGP history.
This post proves that even an otherwise very intelligent person can sometime write stupid things.
P.S.
The Honda official statement refers to the cause of the accident as "mechanical trouble".
+ 1.
Boy o boy.....
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 26, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
This post proves that even an otherwise very intelligent person can sometime write stupid things.
Uh, I find "stupid" a bit harsh in that specific case: when I wrote the comment I didn't know about the mechanical failure. But the considerations on his recent blabbing remain unchanged.
That said, I do agree with your sentence above, at 100%. I guess your intended meaning was to apply it to me, but I have no troubles with that, as I think the sentence applies equally to me, Stoner and ... well, you too :)
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on July 27, 2015, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 26, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
This post proves that even an otherwise very intelligent person can sometime write stupid things.
Uh, I find "stupid" a bit harsh in that specific case: when I wrote the comment I didn't know about the mechanical failure. But the considerations on his recent blabbing remain unchanged.
That said, I do agree with your sentence above, at 100%. I guess your intended meaning was to apply it to me, but I have no troubles with that, as I think the sentence applies equally to me, Stoner and ... well, you too :)
MaX.
The mechanical failure is just a side-note. The point would stand even in case of rider error: linking a ( horrible ) crash to some previous statement sounds pretty "stupid".
Of course the above statement applies to every intelligent person. "The advantage of being intelligent, is that we can always play stupid, however being the opposite is completely impossible" - Woody Allen.
Quote from: PiBoSo on July 27, 2015, 09:55:50 PM
The mechanical failure is just a side-note. The point would stand even in case of rider error: linking a ( horrible ) crash to some previous statement sounds pretty "stupid".
Well, it depends a bit on the statements. But notice that nobody wished him a crash as a punishment and that the aftermath of the crash is not that bad (relatively to what could have happened).
I would have preferred to see him win the 8hrs and even join in for 1-2 MotoGP races (that would have been fantastic, as i already said at the time of Pedrosa injury).
But I would also have preferred him not saying "Current motogp is shit" or "I'm riding here (at suzuka) very relaxed" (implying that if he wished so, he could destroy anybody else on the track). Maybe it's true, but then it's always better to show it on the track than during interviews.
MaX.
I think the point is- Stoner had an incredibly bad moment and to use that moment as an example to pick out words he used is "stupid"
If he went on to finish and finished mid pack, you could criticise him for making bold statement if there even was any to begin with. Stoner is very lucky he is healthy after that crash and that is the important thing to realize.
Think about Marco Simoncelli and his aggressive style and people passing judgement upon him :'(
Quote from: WALKEN on July 27, 2015, 11:06:36 PM
Think about Marco Simoncelli and his aggressive style and people passing judgement upon him :'(
Don't really see how this is related to what I said. I implied no causation relationship between what he said and what happened to him (mechanical fault or not).
Anyway, whatever ... I've heard countless people saying that "Marquez must learn to avoid riding at the limit 100% of the time" or "this will teach Marquez good": that was a few weeks ago and right after his own crashes. Nobody stood up saying "Hey, this is stupid and bla bla bla".
MaX.
maybe i am wrong but, dont you wanted to say that arrogant behavior will sometimes strike back with this charma-thing, max?!
or am i totaly wrong with my understanding of this thread?
No, I meant that when one goes out with very bold comments like he does, at the first mistake (*) he risks to have to eat his own words.
MaX.
(*) mistake that, in this specific case, he has not committed as it was a mechanical trouble.
in my world those two things are very similar to each other :)
Ah OK then, but I for sure didn't imply that he crashed because of what he said or that he deserved to crash because of what he said (that would have been stupid).
MaX.
This probably means he won't be taking up any option to rejoin Motogp.
Quote from: Ian on July 28, 2015, 01:18:24 PM
This probably means he won't be taking up any option to rejoin Motogp.
My thought too. Not that it is crystal clear that he ever had the intention at all ...
MaX.
If he returns to MotoGP to do these things, i want ... ::)
https://www.youtube.com/v/z0iszcvOYaw
Quote from: HornetMaX on July 27, 2015, 10:08:36 PM
But I would also have preferred him not saying "Current motogp is shit"
QuoteIt is widely known that I am not a fan of the direction of MotoGP but to say it is S#%! Is certainly not my comment on the championship!
https://twitter.com/Official_CS27/status/616036328992456704?s=09
QuoteThe media comment about me saying MotoGP is "S#%!" was miss quoted, taken out of context. Disappointed to see this.
https://twitter.com/Official_CS27/status/616035522973036544?s=09
Yeah, doesn't say what was the context though ... sounds a bit like a "disaster management" exercise ...
MaX.
Quote from: filipw2 on July 29, 2015, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on July 27, 2015, 10:08:36 PM
But I would also have preferred him not saying "Current motogp is shit"
QuoteIt is widely known that I am not a fan of the direction of MotoGP but to say it is S#%! Is certainly not my comment on the championship!
https://twitter.com/Official_CS27/status/616036328992456704?s=09
QuoteThe media comment about me saying MotoGP is "S#%!" was miss quoted, taken out of context. Disappointed to see this.
https://twitter.com/Official_CS27/status/616035522973036544?s=09
This was old news at the time ..... what was the date Casey posted this. ?
It doesnt matter what Casey says...
The stuff what people wanted to post get posted anyway...
an it seems to be on here as well :-[ :-[
Most talented/fastest rider ever...
He has got the best money offer ever, for a motor sports guy (this did not even happen in Formula 1) for a 1 year contract.
And he just said NO ;) not interested in your Italian/spanish way of moving forward into this MotoGP thing.
We dont read much about that..... WTF he turned 15 Million dollars down for 1 extra year.. ;)
Hehe much respect for this guy.
And to be honest MotoGP is boring after he left... only 2 guys which go for the win this year :o booo
Not my cup of tea anymore
Quote from: Aernouts2 on July 31, 2015, 06:28:11 PM
This was old news at the time ..... what was the date Casey posted this. ?
It doesnt matter what Casey says...
The stuff what people wanted to post get posted anyway...
an it seems to be on here as well :-[ :-[
Most talented/fastest rider ever...
He has got the best money offer ever, for a motor sports guy (this did not even happen in Formula 1) for a 1 year contract.
And he just said NO ;) not interested in your Italian/spanish way of moving forward into this MotoGP thing.
We dont read much about that..... WTF he turned 15 Million dollars down for 1 extra year.. ;)
Hehe much respect for this guy.
And to be honest MotoGP is boring after he left... only 2 guys which go for the win this year :o booo
Not my cup of tea anymore
Troll? :o
Uhhmmm not realy
You ? Rossi lover ? :P
This dump reply's do happen on nearly any thread about this topic.
kinda stupid reply realy.
thumbs up for great reply yeah.....
Funny how people remember stuff from years ago but forget stuff from weeks ago.
Stoner wasn't exactly happy when Honda denied him the chance to replace Pedrosa for 1 or 2 GPs. Chance that he openly requested: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/217406/1/honda-explains-stoner-decision.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/217406/1/honda-explains-stoner-decision.html)
That happened in April 2015.
Few weeks after he declares MotoGP is shit (end of June 2015).
Now one can try to explain that all that makes sense and go around calling others "fanboys", but ... really ...
MaX.
Quote from: Aernouts2 on July 31, 2015, 07:30:52 PM
Uhhmmm not realy
You ? Rossi lover ? :P
This dump reply's do happen on nearly any thread about this topic.
kinda stupid reply realy.
thumbs up for great reply yeah.....
I assume you're very young, to think that Stoner is the best driver ever.
Quote from: HornetMaX on July 31, 2015, 07:55:36 PM
Funny how people remember stuff from years ago but forget stuff from weeks ago.
Stoner wasn't exactly happy when Honda denied him the chance to replace Pedrosa for 1 or 2 GPs. Chance that he openly requested: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/217406/1/honda-explains-stoner-decision.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/217406/1/honda-explains-stoner-decision.html)
That happened in April 2015.
Few weeks after he declares MotoGP is shit (end of June 2015).
Uhmm if you realy want to read/understand what Stoner his words were... do a complete research on the internet.
Now one can try to explain that all that makes sense and go around calling others "fanboys", but ... really ...
I dunno what the meaning of *fanboys* have to do with this but ok..... your words not mine.
BTW it was you who started this thread not me.
MaX.
Quote from: Aernouts2 on August 01, 2015, 03:10:27 PM
I dunno what the meaning of *fanboys* have to do with this but ok..... your words not mine.
BTW it was you who started this thread not me.
Quote from: Aernouts2 on July 31, 2015, 07:30:52 PM
You ? Rossi lover ? :P
MaX.
Quote from: Blackheart on July 31, 2015, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: Aernouts2 on July 31, 2015, 06:28:11 PM
This was old news at the time ..... what was the date Casey posted this. ?
It doesnt matter what Casey says...
The stuff what people wanted to post get posted anyway...
an it seems to be on here as well :-[ :-[
Most talented/fastest rider ever...
He has got the best money offer ever, for a motor sports guy (this did not even happen in Formula 1) for a 1 year contract.
And he just said NO ;) not interested in your Italian/spanish way of moving forward into this MotoGP thing.
We dont read much about that..... WTF he turned 15 Million dollars down for 1 extra year.. ;)
Hehe much respect for this guy.
And to be honest MotoGP is boring after he left... only 2 guys which go for the win this year :o booo
Not my cup of tea anymore
Troll? :o
Quote from: Aernouts2 on August 01, 2015, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on July 31, 2015, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: Aernouts2 on July 31, 2015, 06:28:11 PM
This was old news at the time ..... what was the date Casey posted this. ?
It doesnt matter what Casey says...
The stuff what people wanted to post get posted anyway...
an it seems to be on here as well :-[ :-[
Most talented/fastest rider ever...
He has got the best money offer ever, for a motor sports guy (this did not even happen in Formula 1) for a 1 year contract.
And he just said NO ;) not interested in your Italian/spanish way of moving forward into this MotoGP thing.
We dont read much about that..... WTF he turned 15 Million dollars down for 1 extra year.. ;)
Hehe much respect for this guy.
And to be honest MotoGP is boring after he left... only 2 guys which go for the win this year :o booo
Not my cup of tea anymore
Troll? :o
:(
Its not me who did start this Thread... ;)
What? :o
You've written a lot of sentences without any sense, my question was perfectly legitimate.
1: Most talented/fastest rider ever... - Assertion nonsense for any fan of motorcycling.
2: And he just said NO ;) not interested in your Italian/spanish way of moving forward into this MotoGP thing. - But if he prayed the Honda to replace Pedrosa?
3: And to be honest MotoGP is boring after he left... - Few (I think nobody) think like you.
Quote from: Blackheart on August 01, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
What? :o
First of all i am a busy guy so the fun is gone after this (for a while :)
You've written a lot of sentences without any sense, my question was perfectly legitimate.
1: Most talented/fastest rider ever... - Assertion nonsense for any fan of motorcycling. Ok i am mistaken ... name me a more talented one this century (Rossi not included)
2: And he just said NO ;) not interested in your Italian/spanish way of moving forward into this MotoGP thing. - But if he prayed the Honda to replace Pedrosa? Nope you are wrong here.... search internet :) hehe
3: And to be honest MotoGP is boring after he left... - Few (I think nobody) think like you.
Maybe you are mistaken again MotoGP was more fun when Rossi was on the Ducati ;)
Quote from: Aernouts2 on August 01, 2015, 07:03:21 PM
name me a more talented one this century (Rossi not included)
(Yesterday) Giacomo Agostini, Kenny Roberts, Freddie Spencer, Wayne Rainey, Kevin Schwantz, Mick Doohan
(Today) Jorge Lorenzo, Marq Marquez.
Ok
Different *era* for sure.
More talented, euhmm nope ;)
It would be nice (i/we know its not gonna happen) to see Stoner.. and the rest of *these days MotoGP racers* on a 2 stroke 500 cc (Stoner even wanted a 750 2 stroke)
Or let them race on a 1000 cc 4 stroke with no electronics.
I loved to see that ;D
Whats going on ATM with all this *DATA* (read GPS) its not fun.
The Yamaha looks like its on a rail.
Yamaha did offer a lot for it but finally its there (SBK, etc)
But finalyy its there :-\......