Stoner is back!!!
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/225063/1/casey-stoner-to-test-for-ducati.html
(http://worldsoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/miguel-herrera-celebration-cinco.gif)
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Hehe ooo lets hope so! Shame we cant bring Sheene and Ago back too ;D
Rossi pays for Stoners Ducati return (http://www.quickmeme.com/img/50/50a57ba66e0434daf77998c9dd9a631b50c2833604455d08ac64fbf233c33d6b.jpg)
(http://images3.alphacoders.com/236/thumb-350-236155.jpg)
"You know what to do"
Edit:
(http://anneweintraub.com/~a8n31ein/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/imgres3.jpg)
LOL ;)
Now we need a Biaggi wildcard on an Aprilia, not in WSBK.
Ducati test rider, paid to do anything useful ... because Iannone and Dovizioso have a completely different style. Additional epic fail for the Ducati. I understand this is a marketing move, but spend their money to improve the bike? :-\
Quote from: Blackheart on November 11, 2015, 02:10:12 PM
Ducati test rider, paid to do anything useful ... because Iannone and Dovizioso have a completely different style. Additional epic fail for the Ducati. I understand this is a marketing move, but spend their money to improve the bike? :-\
Epic fail? Please come back after the Australian wild card ;)
P.S.
Warning everyone, wash out your mouth with soap before writing about Stoner ;D
That would be FANTASTIC news indeed!! ;D ;D 8)
But my enthusiasm is a little tempered by reading in the article that he's likely not to plan a full time return, so still awaiting the full details as they said around 1st January 2016 before I get too excited. :-\ ;D
But I really do hope he decides to make a full-time comeback, otherwise what is the point?
Hawk.
Erection in progress.
But let's wait until it's official (and until we know how many wild cards he gets/wants). I read somewhere else that Honda made him a proposal too.
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2015, 02:30:55 PM
P.S.
Warning everyone, wash out your mouth with soap before writing about Stoner ;D
Who Stacey? never a bad word :P ;D
Edit- I said a wrong bad word: :o
Quote from: matty0l215 on November 11, 2015, 08:49:12 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2015, 02:30:55 PM
P.S.
Warning everyone, wash out your mouth with soap before writing about Stoner ;D
Who Stacy? never a bad word :P ;D
Wash your mouth. It's Stacey, not Stacy :)
As long as he stays with his helmet on and doesn't talk to insult everyone in MotoGP I'm ok ;D
I really appreciate him as a rider, because his style is fantastic (probably my favorite in the past 10 years) but unfortunately he knows how to be an a**hole when is not on his bike.
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to see his wildcard in Australia.
Quote from: RiccoChicco on November 11, 2015, 09:47:08 PM
As long as he stays with his helmet on and doesn't talk to insult everyone in MotoGP I'm ok ;D
Given the recent events, he'd just feel at home :)
Jokes aside, I share your opinion.
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 11, 2015, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: RiccoChicco on November 11, 2015, 09:47:08 PM
As long as he stays with his helmet on and doesn't talk to insult everyone in MotoGP I'm ok ;D
Given the recent events, he'd just feel at home :)
Actually, recent news just prove he was 100% right:
- Rossi goes apeshit in the Sepang press conference and no one says a word
- Rossi pushes out a rider and is not DSQ
- Rossi is hand in glove with Don Carmelo
- Rossi fanboys are still attacking and insulting other riders: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/80850/1/stoner-slams-british-gp-fans.html
A theory could be that Stoner is preparing to come back as soon as Rossi will finally retire and MotoGP will return a place for real bike enthusiasts and not mindless fanboys.
Don't beat around the bush there PiBoSo - say what you mean ;D hahahahaha
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2015, 10:37:46 PM
Actually, recent news just prove he was 100% right:
- Rossi goes apeshit in the Sepang press conference and no one says a word
- Rossi pushes out a rider and is not DSQ
- Rossi is hand in glove with Don Carmelo
- Rossi fanboys are still attacking and insulting other riders: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/80850/1/stoner-slams-british-gp-fans.html
A theory could be that Stoner is preparing to come back as soon as Rossi will finally retire and MotoGP will return a place for real bike enthusiasts and not mindless fanboys.
When Rossi will retire ... there will be his brother ;D
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2015, 10:37:46 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 11, 2015, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: RiccoChicco on November 11, 2015, 09:47:08 PM
As long as he stays with his helmet on and doesn't talk to insult everyone in MotoGP I'm ok ;D
Given the recent events, he'd just feel at home :)
Actually, recent news just prove he was 100% right:
- Rossi goes apeshit in the Sepang press conference and no one says a word
- Rossi pushes out a rider and is not DSQ
- Rossi is hand in glove with Don Carmelo
- Rossi fanboys are still attacking and insulting other riders: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/80850/1/stoner-slams-british-gp-fans.html
A theory could be that Stoner is preparing to come back as soon as Rossi will finally retire and MotoGP will return a place for real bike enthusiasts and not mindless fanboys.
I don't agree with your statement. Rossi is hand in glove with Dorna? You talk about those who retired his 10th world title? The same Carmelo that doesn't seem to be able to watch Rossi in his eyes after Valencia race?
About the Sepang fact, Rossi goes of the trajectory, which was a bad move IMO, but it's proved that Marquez caused the contact by leaning on Rossi. A ride through was enough. A lot of MotoGP insiders seems to think the same, but we don't care anymore, the season is over and the past will not change.
About Rossi fanboys : a lot are stupid, a lot are not. I'm a Rossi fanboy, and I was disappointed by what's happened in Sepang. I'm moreover a bike enthusiast. We can be both without beeing some "mindless" people. Those who says that are usually Rossi's haters. Not sure that's better...
The Rossi "fanboy" are quite objective... the haters they are not... still talk about a invisible kick ???
If you love MotoGP then you must love all the riders as it takes an entire field of them to have an event. Even Cal Clutchblow ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9_hCjcFNO0
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2015, 10:37:46 PM
- Rossi is hand in glove with Don Carmelo
Yep, that was very bad. Truly mafia style (and before hell opens, yes, I'm italian and my grandfather was from sicily).
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2015, 10:37:46 PM
- Rossi fanboys are still attacking and insulting other riders: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/80850/1/stoner-slams-british-gp-fans.html
Eh, fanboys are fanboys, no matter who for. Probably other riders have fanboys too. Rossi just has more. Way more. Terribly more.
I kind of appreciate your attitude towards this though: it's ballsy to say that here.
Quote from: RiccoChicco on November 11, 2015, 11:14:14 PM
About Rossi fanboys : a lot are stupid, a lot are not. I'm a Rossi fanboy, and I was disappointed by what's happened in Sepang.
You are not a Rossi fanboy Ricco, you are a Rossi fan, supporter. "fanboys" are all stupid by definition, no matter who they support.
From the little I know you, it's not your case.
Quote from: RiccoChicco on November 11, 2015, 11:14:14 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2015, 10:37:46 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 11, 2015, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: RiccoChicco on November 11, 2015, 09:47:08 PM
As long as he stays with his helmet on and doesn't talk to insult everyone in MotoGP I'm ok ;D
Given the recent events, he'd just feel at home :)
Actually, recent news just prove he was 100% right:
- Rossi goes apeshit in the Sepang press conference and no one says a word
- Rossi pushes out a rider and is not DSQ
- Rossi is hand in glove with Don Carmelo
- Rossi fanboys are still attacking and insulting other riders: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/80850/1/stoner-slams-british-gp-fans.html
A theory could be that Stoner is preparing to come back as soon as Rossi will finally retire and MotoGP will return a place for real bike enthusiasts and not mindless fanboys.
I don't agree with your statement. Rossi is hand in glove with Dorna? You talk about those who retired his 10th world title? The same Carmelo that doesn't seem to be able to watch Rossi in his eyes after Valencia race?
About the Sepang fact, Rossi goes of the trajectory, which was a bad move IMO, but it's proved that Marquez caused the contact by leaning on Rossi. A ride through was enough. A lot of MotoGP insiders seems to think the same, but we don't care anymore, the season is over and the past will not change.
About Rossi fanboys : a lot are stupid, a lot are not. I'm a Rossi fanboy, and I was disappointed by what's happened in Sepang. I'm moreover a bike enthusiast. We can be both without beeing some "mindless" people. Those who says that are usually Rossi's haters. Not sure that's better...
Simoncelli got a ride-through for involuntarily taking out Pedrosa. A DSQ was due, and we all know that any other rider would have been DSQ.
Yes, Rossi in hand in glove with Don Carmelo. Everyone should know this. The reason is simple: a big chunk ( someone even estimates over 50% ) of the Dorna income comes from Rossi ( but this of course doesn't justify Dorna for blatantly favouring Rossi during all these years ).
Yes, there are Rossi haters, because he brought the fanboys disease to the sport. The difference is that Rossi was never booed or abused by fans of other riders.
I hope to see Stoners' return as a full time rider, givin' the new ECU and Michelin tyres it could
be a real blast. I read that the bikes are now a bit more too the old school style a lot more is control
is back in the riders hands and not the computer. I watch the two days of testing and all the riders
are very close on the time sheets with guys like Maverick Viñales and Loris Baz making big steps forward.
I think having Casey back on track is cool for racing but then again some poor kid with great potential is
set by the waste side to make room for a Cash Cow rider that slagged off the sport and quit. It's time for
guys like Zarco and Rins along with Scott Redding and Smith to get a chance at making Moto GP History.
As David Emmett said in his article (https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/11/09/2015_valencia_sunday_motogp_round_up_how.html (https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/11/09/2015_valencia_sunday_motogp_round_up_how.html)) "Is Rossi bigger than the sport ?".
Honestly, when you realize that he has a team in moto3, heavy sponsoring contracts with the pay-tv that diffuses motogp races in italy (sky) and, to top it off, that his own company manages the merchandising of many other motogp riders (including marquez, until yesterday) ... well ... it's a bit too much maybe. It gets uncomfortable and it raises questions.
Really thought we could stay on Stoner, but it always goes to shit around here. >:(
(DROPS MIC AND WALKS OFF FORUM)
Quote from: Docfumi on November 11, 2015, 11:34:06 PM
I think having Casey back on track is cool for racing but then again some poor kid with great potential is
set by the waste side to make room for a Cash Cow rider that slagged off the sport and quit. It's time for
guys like Zarco and Rins along with Scott Redding and Smith to get a chance at making Moto GP History.
Recommended read:
http://www.amazon.com/Pushing-Limits-Casey-Stoner/dp/1409129217
;)
Big Bradley fan here.
Every race I blame god ( or fate or whatever ) for giving so much talent to Rossi and not enough to Smith :P
aha! we have something in common! woohoo.
So now am I a Bradley Fanboy or a PiBoSo fanboy? ;D
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2015, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: RiccoChicco on November 11, 2015, 11:14:14 PM
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Simoncelli got a ride-through for involuntarily taking out Pedrosa. A DSQ was due, and we all know that any other rider would have been DSQ.
Yes, Rossi in hand in glove with Don Carmelo. Everyone should know this. The reason is simple: a big chunk ( someone even estimates over 50% ) of the Dorna income comes from Rossi ( but this of course doesn't justify Dorna for blatantly favouring Rossi during all these years ).
Yes, there are Rossi haters, because he brought the fanboys disease to the sport. The difference is that Rossi was never booed or abused by fans of other riders.
Supersic took this ridethrough because he was responsible at 100% of the Pedrosa's crash. In the Rossi/Marquez incident, both were responsible. Rossi started but Marquez finished all of this sequence of bad moves.
About the Dorna income it's true, but looking at the fact, Rossis didn't seem to be advantaged (and I'm 100% for that) as a rider. He's riding like every rider. Compared to that, Marquez had a lot of things to do what he wants : modified rules, very few penaltys compared to what he has done, etc.
To conclude, as Max says, every rider has fanboys but due to Rossi's popularity it's seems that all stupid people watching MotoGP are Rossi fans. Rossi never booed by fans of other riders? Did you already heard about Max Biaggi? ;D
@MaX
You never saw me in a Dainese shop ;D ;D ;D
@Doc
Yup, Bradley's definitely in my top 5 riders in the paddock. This guy made a lot compared to the hope on him when he arrived in MotoGP. Probably the most talented rider when you remove the 4 fantastics.
About Zarco, I really hope he's gonna get a good bike (at least a Tech 3) when he'll come to MotoGP.
Quote from: RiccoChicco on November 11, 2015, 11:51:54 PM
Supersic took this ridethrough because he was responsible at 100% of the Pedrosa's crash. In the Rossi/Marquez incident, both were responsible. Rossi started but Marquez finished all of this sequence of bad moves.
About the Dorna income it's true, but looking at the fact, Rossis didn't seem to be advantaged (and I'm 100% for that) as a rider. He's riding like every rider. Compared to that, Marquez had a lot of things to do what he wants : modified rules, very few penaltys compared to what he has done, etc.
Simoncelli was responsible, but it was a riding accident during an overtake.
Rossi was not only responsible, but he also did it on purpose!
Sure Marquez had a minor rule changed for him ( the rookie rule ), but Rossi had something much bigger changed for him:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2007/october/oct0307motogpbridgestoneblamevalentinorossiforonemaketyre/
Rossi is so powerful within MotoGP that he's above tyre manufacturers!
And let's not forget that Rossi had tyres made specifically for him:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58480
In conclusion, as already written, there is a difference between fanboys and fans :)
Quote from: Blackheart on November 11, 2015, 11:18:14 PM
The Rossi "fanboy" are quite objective... the haters they are not... still talk about a invisible kick ???
Quote from: Guimengo on November 12, 2015, 06:39:04 AM
A fanboy is someone whom you cannot argue for they are extremely biased and cannot accept facts.
Anyway. PiBoSo, why aren't you speaking of all the benefits given to Márc since his Moto2 days? His aggressiveness reminded everyone of a young Rossi and he injected new blood into the sport. Simoncelli got penalized and it may have been harsh but the issue being what about the ongoing decisions the past 2 years? Well, that plays a huge factor on decisions made recently. Why scrutinize certain folks so much but not others? Why penalize Rossi beyond the recent standards?
For sure a double standard was used for Marquez and Simoncelli. However, they probably were too hard on Sic, and not the other way around.
To return to the topic, again the biography of Stoner is highly recommended, to have another point of view on his career.
Buy the biography of a driver who hates another riders? ... Never, not a sportsman has not been able to lose (and he has lost on the track ...)
Not to forget that "man" is Stoner:
Stoner (smiling): "How's your shoulder? Is it okay?"
Rossi (helmet still on): "I'm very sorry."
Stoner: "Okay. You have some problem with your shoulder?"
Rossi: "I make a mistake"
Stoner: "Yeah. Obviously your ambition outweighed your talent."
Rossi: "Eh?"
Stoner: "Ambition is more than the talent."
Rossi: "I'm very sorry."
Stoner: "No problem."
I do not know what sort of drugs used Stoner ... but I want to try them! ;D
Quote from: Guimengo on November 12, 2015, 06:39:04 AM
A fanboy is someone whom you cannot argue for they are extremely biased and cannot accept facts.
Anyway. PiBoSo, why aren't you speaking of all the benefits given to Márc since his Moto2 days? His aggressiveness reminded everyone of a young Rossi and he injected new blood into the sport. Simoncelli got penalized and it may have been harsh but the issue being what about the ongoing decisions the past 2 years? Well, that plays a huge factor on decisions made recently. Why scrutinize certain folks so much but not others? Why penalize Rossi beyond the recent standards?
+1 Guimengo. I appreciate your substantiated and balanced opinions here very much.
Just for the records, it wasn't Laguna Seca 2008 but Jerez 2011 ...
Quote from: Guimengo on November 12, 2015, 06:39:04 AM
Simoncelli got penalized and it may have been harsh but the issue being what about the ongoing decisions the past 2 years? Well, that plays a huge factor on decisions made recently. Why scrutinize certain folks so much but not others? Why penalize Rossi beyond the recent standards?
Because Rossi's action was (admittedly) intentional ? It sounds like a good enough reason to me.
If Rossi had taken down Marc while trying to overtake him, it would have been a totally different story. But he wasn't.
These situations should be plain and simple.. Break the rules, take the punishment.
Rossi, marquez, stoner etc etc are all fantastic riders. If they are good guys or arseholes away from racing I really couldnt care less lol.
The worst moment in motogp for me is when they made an exeption for marquez to jump strait on a factory seat.
Everything else comes with racing in general.. Battles, ego's, mistakes, arguements.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 12, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
These situations should be plain and simple.. Break the rules, take the punishment.
Where's the "Like" button ? Can't find it ... oh well, +1 then :)
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 12, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
Rossi, marquez, stoner etc etc are all fantastic riders.
Indeed. Still many tend to forget that when Rossi jumped on the Ducati for the first time (right after the last round of 2011, in Valencia) and compared his lap times to Casey's lap times 2 days before ... well, he was in for a little surprise. I'm sure jamoz must have one of his famous gif/meme for that situation too :)
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 12, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
The worst moment in motogp for me is when they made an exeption for marquez to jump strait on a factory seat.
Technically it wasn't an exception, they changed the rule (i.e. they likely did it for Marquez, but not only for Maqruez, others could benefit too).
Independenlty on Marquez's case, why wouldn't a rookie be allowed to ride a factory bike ? I see little reason for that limitation: if Honda (or Yam or whoever) wants let's say Zarco for the next year and he's OK, then why not ?
Still isnt very fair.. Ok stoner left an empty seat, but would have been nice to bring a rider forward from the non factory team first.. Bout time they replaced pedrosa too! How many years/chances? Pffft..
Now he has Bionic arms I think he will be a contender again next season, poor li'l guy.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 12, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
These situations should be plain and simple.. Break the rules, take the punishment.
Rossi, marquez, stoner etc etc are all fantastic riders. If they are good guys or arseholes away from racing I really couldnt care less lol.
The worst moment in motogp for me is when they made an exeption for marquez to jump strait on a factory seat.
Everything else comes with racing in general.. Battles, ego's, mistakes, arguements.
+1000
One of the very few sensible opinion posts I've seen posted here, Bob.... especially your last sentence above! ;)
I think fans get too rapped-up in issues these days...... If we are not careful we'll end up with the riders being penalized for speaking out before long for bringing the sport into disrepute because of the way fans react to the kind of recent issues.... It's just been ridiculous the amount of animosity from some fanboy sections....
What are we going to see next? Gangs of separatist fans fighting and killing each other at GP's! It's about time some fans got things into perspective in my opinion and just enjoy the racing, the characters, and to some extent the politics of MotoGP. :P
Being a great fan is one thing, but when people start to slag-off other fans and riders then it's time to start thinking about getting booked in for some serious mental therapy. Lol
The thread is well titled, "
Rossi? Marquez? Who cares! ". Exactly... who really cares.... Let's just enjoy the sport and the characters and look forward to the 2016 season. ;D 8)
Hawk.
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 12, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
Just for the records, it wasn't Laguna Seca 2008 but Jerez 2011 ...
My error in the copy-paste, but the fundamentals are the same, there are champions and second leads.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 12, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
The worst moment in motogp for me is when they made an exeption for marquez to jump strait on a factory seat.
Completely agree, in that moment the MotoGP has changed. (not for the better) :-\
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 12, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
These situations should be plain and simple.. Break the rules, take the punishment.
Rossi, marquez, stoner etc etc are all fantastic riders. If they are good guys or arseholes away from racing I really couldnt care less lol.
The worst moment in motogp for me is when they made an exeption for marquez to jump strait on a factory seat.
Everything else comes with racing in general.. Battles, ego's, mistakes, arguements.
Par for the course right.
Focusing on the negative is just like carrying around elephantitis of the nuts.
The interesting part of all of this is what it will bring to next years championship, at least I'm feeling lite on my feet :)
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 12, 2015, 01:11:11 PM
I'm sure jamoz must have one of his famous gif/meme for that situation too :)
Sigh...
I avoid this place as much as possible, but even when i`m offline i can feel the hairs in my neck stand up whenever someone (Max) mentions my name :P
I didn`t have any meme`s available, so i create one myself. Now let me be you unwashed bastards....
(http://i.imgur.com/KUg4mj1.jpg)
I knew I can always count on you Jamoz :-*
No idea what is going on in this thread but it would be like a second golden age of MotoGP to have Pedrosa, Rossi, Lorenzo, Marquez and Stoner race against each other.
Quote from: vin97 on November 12, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
No idea what is going on in this thread [...]
LOL! ;D
Quote from: PiBoSo on November 11, 2015, 10:37:46 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 11, 2015, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: RiccoChicco on November 11, 2015, 09:47:08 PM
As long as he stays with his helmet on and doesn't talk to insult everyone in MotoGP I'm ok ;D
Given the recent events, he'd just feel at home :)
Actually, recent news just prove he was 100% right:
- Rossi goes apeshit in the Sepang press conference and no one says a word
- Rossi pushes out a rider and is not DSQ
- Rossi is hand in glove with Don Carmelo
- Rossi fanboys are still attacking and insulting other riders: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/80850/1/stoner-slams-british-gp-fans.html
A theory could be that Stoner is preparing to come back as soon as Rossi will finally retire and MotoGP will return a place for real bike enthusiasts and not mindless fanboys.
Exactly my thoughts :)
I am glad i can agree 100 % with the big boss :-X
P.S
I wash my mouth with soap everytime before i enter this forum... so there is no problem there. :)
Quote from: Guimengo on November 13, 2015, 08:01:53 AM
I don't know if I've followed F1 for too many years or other racing but it seems like some people want a supremely severe punishment for someone who just went wide on a corner.
For someone who just went
intentionally wide on a corner. That little word changes everything.
Just ask yourself: if roles were reversed, if it was Marquez pushing Rossi out wide intentionally and ending his race, then would you say a penalty like "Marquez keep his 3rd place but starts last in the next race" would have been fair ?
Quote from: Guimengo on November 13, 2015, 08:01:53 AM
Ianonne in Phillip Island, going into the last corner, pushed too much and had to back off... forcing Valentino to back off and lose his huge momentum.
Not intentionally, different story.
Quote from: Guimengo on November 13, 2015, 08:01:53 AM
I don't know if I've followed F1 for too many years or other racing but it seems like some people want a supremely severe punishment for someone who just went wide on a corner.
he was not going wide, 46 wanted to go wide and push 93 out.
no sportsman does things like that, neither a real man would. he really must have big problems with himself.
compare rossis pace after and before the incident, it was simply no possible for rossi to catch a podium place in that race.
after he noticed his shitpace (sourrounded by marc), his egoproblems came around the corner and we all know how it ended.
good point to "change" the opponents for another look at the situation, would be interesting to hear what the fanboys of both camps would had said.
Quote from: Guimengo on November 13, 2015, 08:03:05 PM
Unfortunately sometimes it is impossible to maintain a discussion or bring up new points when the other party isn't willing to accept.
+1 ::)
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 13, 2015, 09:47:18 AM
Just ask yourself: if roles were reversed, if it was Marquez pushing Rossi out wide intentionally and ending his race, then would you say a penalty like "Marquez keep his 3rd place but starts last in the next race" would have been fair ?
To be honest: yes! That is exactly the point: It doesn't matter to me who is being penalized, everybody should be treated the same (and the discussions around here would be easier if everybody felt the same). I am not even a particular Rossi fan. I do like him, but not more than I do like Iannone, Smith, Vinales (or Marquez pre-Valencia). What exactly a fair penalty is, probably is hard to decide in this case anyhow. But I am always in favor of penalizing after the race whatever the penalty may be.
Quote from: JJS209 on November 13, 2015, 02:30:45 PM
compare rossis pace after and before the incident, it was simply no possible for rossi to catch a podium place in that race.
This argument is so weak... Not sure if you even realize this.
Like F1, all racing should be banned as a total 'too-many-rules-so-nobody-dares-overtake 'bore-fest'. Just have 2 hours of Superpole qualifying. Fastest lap wins. Sorted.
Yours sincerely,
Bernie & Dorna
Penalizing after the race is OK to me too (even if in some cases it could create an even bigger mess).
So in the end it boils down to: what is the proper penalty for a rider that takes an utterly unusual trajectory at an utterly unusual speed in the declared intent to "slow down" an opponent (if not pushing him on the grass) and watching him in the eyes twice while doing all that.
To me it's a DQ: immediately if the situation is crystal clear, after the race if they want to play it safe, have more time, hear the riders etc.
And that no matter who's the rider, the standing in the championship, if we're talking bikes or cars, ...
You don't DQ that, somebody else may do it in the future ... maybe on the last race of the season, where a potential "next race you start from the back" penalty means little.