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Title: TT game announced...
Post by: davidboda46 on April 14, 2016, 08:57:59 PM
Have you guys seen this?
http://www.bigben-interactive.co.uk/bigben-interactive-anounces-brand-new-isle-of-man-tt-races-video-game/ (http://www.bigben-interactive.co.uk/bigben-interactive-anounces-brand-new-isle-of-man-tt-races-video-game/)

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Vini on April 14, 2016, 09:02:37 PM
lol
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Boerenlater on April 14, 2016, 09:37:07 PM
Quote from: vin97 on April 14, 2016, 09:02:37 PM
lol
whats so funny
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 15, 2016, 12:46:56 AM
Looks like Piboso needs to get TTB up and running but GPB isnt even at V1 and still has core crashes and physics problems, or have you got better physics and a more stable system planned for TTB Piboso........................will GPB ever get a chance if TTB is so important?

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on April 15, 2016, 05:40:37 PM
Im really looking forward to it!! its about time.....

So the future of bike games/sims is actually looking bloody good now  ;D 8)

Hopefully not ''too'' arcadey...

still like the sound of TTBikes more though..  ;)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on April 15, 2016, 05:57:52 PM
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on April 15, 2016, 05:40:37 PM
Im really looking forward to it!! its about time.....

So the future of bike games/sims is actually looking bloody good now  ;D 8)

Hopefully not ''too'' arcadey...

still like the sound of TTBikes more though..  ;)

I think that is a hope in hell right, Bob? Lol.

Any big investment requires big money, so of course it's going to be arcadey as that's were the big money is, unfortunately.   :(

All I can say is that MotoGP 2015 and RIDE must've sold a good few copies for a company to invest money like that on a bike racing "Game".  ::)

Why don't the investers contact Piboso and support them instead of supporting companies that are not capable of creating a true racing sim? Why?!  ::)

Hawk.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on April 15, 2016, 06:19:56 PM
hmm yeah it will be arcade.. they made ''motorcycle club''  >:(

I don't mind playing motogp etc its good fun with some good players.. but motorcycle club is too far into the arcade zone for me.. if that TT game is anything like it, it will be a grand waste of time.

I really hope piboso makes TTBikes happen.. but to be honest, it sounds..... years away  ;D ;D (no offence)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 18, 2017, 12:00:13 PM

https://twitter.com/nicksoye/status/844861642777116672
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Reactive on April 18, 2017, 02:42:29 PM
relax, this will be console game.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on April 18, 2017, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: Reactive on April 18, 2017, 02:42:29 PM
relax, this will be console game.

+1

It will definitely be targeted at the "Game" market and not the "Simulation" market.... In the same way "Ride" was..... After the initial, "WOW! Look at that!" eye-candy syndrome, it will be the same dull and boring kiddies game with no depth to it at all. No worries!  ;)

Hawk.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PeterV on April 18, 2017, 03:11:42 PM
Sweet another source.......
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: vali_grad on May 11, 2017, 07:41:13 PM
interesting if you search games by simulation criteria in their site :))  http://www.bigben-interactive.co.uk/bigben-products/video-games?_orderby=date&_posts_per_page=12&_s=&_player=-1&_gender=70&_public=-1&_plateform=-1 (http://www.bigben-interactive.co.uk/bigben-products/video-games?_orderby=date&_posts_per_page=12&_s=&_player=-1&_gender=70&_public=-1&_plateform=-1)

I trust my instinct and say to you, these guys cant go beyond  ps4/xbox, no way pc simulation ... milestone is decades ahead :)))
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: passerBy on May 12, 2017, 09:29:05 AM
Not direct steering = no buy from me. Not to mention it will be an arcade racer anyway...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on May 30, 2017, 05:02:35 PM

https://twitter.com/TTIoMtheGame
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Become dust on May 30, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on May 30, 2017, 05:02:35 PM

https://twitter.com/TTIoMtheGame


what is this a new contender has arriveD?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: tchemi on May 30, 2017, 08:28:20 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DASCVHPXsAIUOdC.jpg)

The only thing I want to say is 'lol'
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Become dust on May 30, 2017, 09:30:24 PM
what about it=?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on May 30, 2017, 09:33:15 PM
Maybe when we get the new track tools we could make a track of a similar shape and or length...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Become dust on May 30, 2017, 10:11:08 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on May 30, 2017, 09:33:15 PM
Maybe when we get the new track tools we could make a track of a similar shape and or length...

could be cool
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Warlock on May 31, 2017, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: tchemi on May 30, 2017, 08:28:20 PM
The only thing I want to say is 'lol'

It looks like a toy  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: CapeDoctor on May 31, 2017, 04:54:57 AM
this is guaranteed to be just another nicely-wrapped shiny kid's game.
if it's anywhere near being realistic physics, i'll eat someone's hat.
like others, i'm thinking the main interest for just for the track itself.
i really like the track we have for GPB, but if someone could find a way for it to stop crashing the game just about every time you crash the bike, then i might actually get to learn it a little easier.
yeah, yeah, i know....learn not to crash the bike, yadda yadda, lol   ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Reactive on May 31, 2017, 07:20:47 AM
Quote from: tchemi on May 30, 2017, 08:28:20 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DASCVHPXsAIUOdC.jpg)

The only thing I want to say is 'lol'
the only thing i want to say is 'wow' :(
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: tchemi on May 31, 2017, 08:55:40 AM
Quote from: Reactive on May 31, 2017, 07:20:47 AM
Quote from: tchemi on May 30, 2017, 08:28:20 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DASCVHPXsAIUOdC.jpg
The only thing I want to say is 'lol'
the only thing i want to say is 'wow' :(

Awww,
It looks like a kid had play with his CGI options. "mmmm, What if I turn on this button ?? How, look, flares, shinny, special effects, much wow, feast in my eyes, much beautifull, wow"

As Warlock said, it looks like a toy but nothing like the Isle of Man or anything that tries to be realistic
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Reactive on May 31, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: tchemi on May 31, 2017, 08:55:40 AM
Quote from: Reactive on May 31, 2017, 07:20:47 AM
Quote from: tchemi on May 30, 2017, 08:28:20 PM
The only thing I want to say is 'lol'
the only thing i want to say is 'wow' :(
Awww, It looks like a kid had play with his CGI options. "mmmm, What if I turn on this button ?? How, look, flares, shinny, special effects, much wow, feast in my eyes, much beautifull, wow"
As Warlock said, it looks like a toy but nothing like the Isle of Man or anything that tries to be realistic

65% of people are visuals = graphic will sale your product. On this screenshot i see blended texturing and instances for foliage -- key features to make environments more complicated. And with all this PBR rendering it makes the road feel alive. ;) Saying this I dont have any hope about the GPB will be changed (because Im still dont support using own OpenGL renderer instead of using third-paty engine, Unreal for example. At least for small developers)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on May 31, 2017, 10:23:02 AM

As a reference, this is how the real Gooseneck corner looks like:
(http://www.motogeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Gooseneck-Supersport-Race2.jpg)

More reference:
http://www.youtube.com/v/DOkaEfa7tDg
0:25

And:
http://www.youtube.com/v/KFJSVtsckyI
11:35

Please check out the inside kerb shape and size, the road width, the ( missing ) road lines, the asphalt and vegetation colours, the lighting...
It looks good for a fantasy game, but not realistic.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on May 31, 2017, 10:28:52 AM
Very true Piboso.

Looks more like somthing akin to a rally than a road race  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Boerenlater on May 31, 2017, 10:31:56 AM
Looks like they put a road onto a Witcher 3 screeshot :P
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on May 31, 2017, 10:45:32 AM
They cant make it look correct so they blind you so you dont notice  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on May 31, 2017, 10:49:43 AM
If you cant dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bullshit lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Reactive on May 31, 2017, 12:30:13 PM
problem in perception is because motorcycle-rider must be x2 larger.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: vali_grad on May 31, 2017, 04:21:49 PM
just look at the bike/rider shadow.... postprocess filters always show a poor quality game overall, don't bring physics in the discussion :))
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: TheFatController on May 31, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
This isn't the one they laser scanned is it?.. If so did they get their laser scanner from FastTech? ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on May 31, 2017, 06:50:46 PM
Hmm, yeah some effects are way overblown (as usual in recent games), yes there are some details a bit off compared to reality and yes, unless proven wrong, I don't expect anything good physics-wise.

But visually I have little doubt it will look way better than GPB. Most of the visual issues (bloom, shininess, flare, hdr, colors) could probably be fixed in no time.
I see good vegetation (unlike GPB X-shaped trees), nice fences (irregular in shape), nice details overall ...

We will probably be able to laugh at physics, but mocking the visuals sounds a bit like the fox and the grapes ...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Warlock on May 31, 2017, 09:14:29 PM
It surely has a good base to work with, but man, they didn't taken advantage of it.


Quote from: Boerenlater on May 31, 2017, 10:31:56 AM
Looks like they put a road onto a Witcher 3 screeshot :P
Indeed, it looks everything except realistic. It's only missing some gnomes and fairies   ;D


Quote from: TheFatController on May 31, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
This isn't the one they laser scanned is it?.. If so did they get their laser scanner from FastTech? ;D
lol , yeah a chinese one
Check the asphalt texture size compared to the bike, it uses gravel of the size of an egg, or the bike is way out of scale

Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 31, 2017, 06:50:46 PM
Hmm, yeah some effects are way overblown (as usual in recent games), yes there are some details a bit off compared to reality and yes, unless proven wrong, I don't expect anything good physics-wise.

But visually I have little doubt it will look way better than GPB. Most of the visual issues (bloom, shininess, flare, hdr, colors) could probably be fixed in no time.
I see good vegetation (unlike GPB X-shaped trees), nice fences (irregular in shape), nice details overall ...

We will probably be able to laugh at physics, but mocking the visuals sounds a bit like the fox and the grapes ...

Criticizing GPB's graphics engine is like beating a dead horse.
However, no one here compared GPB to the TT game ( except you ). Also, the fact that the TT game has better graphics doesn't mean it cannot be discussed.
Graphics aside, the main problem of this game seems to be track accuracy. Which is no surprise. Anyone who ever tried a 1:1 replica of a road track knows how it feels to sim-ride at an average speed of 200km/h between two very close walls. It's an experience surely not suited for a mass market game. This is why, probably, they didn't even bother laser-scanning the Mountain Course. It would have been of little use, if the track model needs to be deformed for gameplay reasons.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Blackheart on June 01, 2017, 08:50:22 AM
Its an other console game, imo the TT graphics in this shot is just ugly, I prefer an old engine without effects at this shit. GPB with some real time reflections, realistic lights/shadows and some better animations will be just great, anyway we aren't here for the graphics.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on June 01, 2017, 08:50:59 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
Criticizing GPB's graphics engine is like beating a dead horse.
Half-dead :)
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
However, no one here compared GPB to the TT game ( except you ).
Oh come on ...

Quote from: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
Graphics aside, the main problem of this game seems to be track accuracy. Which is no surprise. Anyone who ever tried a 1:1 replica of a road track knows how it feels to sim-ride at an average speed of 200km/h between two very close walls. It's an experience surely not suited for a mass market game. This is why, probably, they didn't even bother laser-scanning the Mountain Course. It would have been of little use, if the track model needs to be deformed for gameplay reasons.
Totally valid point. So let's bash it for that instead of for "unrealistic colors" or "too much flare".
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 01, 2017, 08:50:59 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
Graphics aside, the main problem of this game seems to be track accuracy. Which is no surprise. Anyone who ever tried a 1:1 replica of a road track knows how it feels to sim-ride at an average speed of 200km/h between two very close walls. It's an experience surely not suited for a mass market game. This is why, probably, they didn't even bother laser-scanning the Mountain Course. It would have been of little use, if the track model needs to be deformed for gameplay reasons.
Totally valid point. So let's bash it for that instead of for "unrealistic colors" or "too much flare".

Why?
The unrealistic and over-the-top effects are an integral part of the package, and they definitely deserve a good bashing.
The graphics is not just cosmetic. It sets the tone for the whole design. For example, it makes you wonder if they will include pitstops, or sidecars.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on June 01, 2017, 09:09:43 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 08:59:49 AM
Why?
The unrealistic and over-the-top effects are an integral part of the package, and they definitely deserve a good bashing.
The graphics is not just cosmetic. It sets the tone for the whole design. For example, it makes you wonder if they will include pitstops, or sidecars.

Yours for only €9.99 as a day one DLC probably ;D

Theres been a bit of talk about the solos but nothing about the sidecars so maybe they wont be imcluded... they're goning to miss a trick if they dont include them...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on June 01, 2017, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 01, 2017, 08:50:59 AM
Totally valid point. So let's bash it for that instead of for "unrealistic colors" or "too much flare".

Why?
The unrealistic and over-the-top effects are an integral part of the package, and they definitely deserve a good bashing.
The graphics is not just cosmetic. It sets the tone for the whole design.
Playing devil's advocate here, I could say that a TTIoM (or Ride2) fan could say the same about GPB.
I'm definitely not a fan of the exaggerated visual effects (bloom, flare, dof, motion blur), but saying "look, too much flare and wrong colors" is a bit like having a Hornet and telling the guy with the R1 that his under-seat compartment is smaller.

And I had a Hornet for quite a while (but no R1) :)


Quote from: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 08:59:49 AM
For example, it makes you wonder if they will include pitstops, or sidecars.
I don't see how the screenshot could possibly give you any clue about that.

Anyway, I guess we're all kind of sure here the game will most likely be crap overall (at least for people that enjoy GPB), no big news.
It just feels weird to see you in despair when TTIoM is announced and then totally relieved when a bad-looking screenshot is posted.

But if it gives you extra-stamina to finish that bloody KRP list of misc release tasks, then let's have more TTIoM screenshot posted :o)

Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 09:52:00 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 01, 2017, 09:32:08 AM
I don't see how the screenshot could possibly give you any clue about that.

Again, graphics is not just cosmetic. It sets the tone for the whole project. It is extremely unlikely to have a good, realistic game when the art is so cartoonish. A realistic graphics, while no guarantee, would have at least indicated that they were trying.
You keep putting GPB in the mix, but it's like apples and oranges. Nonetheless... If the GPB graphics is giving away something, it is: "there are no time and resources to dedicate to visuals, because the whole focus is on the simulation, at least for now"  :)

P.S.
Those screenshots are not a relief. They were pretty much expected, given Kylotonn track record.
Kylotonn is not a competitor, so no despair either.
Just discussing a much anticipated TT game like any other motorcycle enthusiast  :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Stout Johnson on June 01, 2017, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 01, 2017, 09:52:00 AM
Again, graphics is not just cosmetic. It sets the tone for the whole project. It is extremely unlikely to have a good, realistic game when the art is so cartoonish. A realistic graphics, while no guarantee, would have at least indicated that they were trying.
You probably won't like the way I 'twist' your words. You are correct that the graphics for a project somehow set the tone for a project, they are to some degree the billboard for the project. That is why you should also try to maximize what is coming from your engine (I think that your graphics are quite ok when put to the maximum): Use great textures only, take advantage of good lighting/shadows (especially on cloudy conditions the lighting in your game looks really dull (unrealistically dull) - in real life I still have more vivid colors and better shadows even if the sun is not beaming away), make some post-processing/filters available (to be manually adjustable for the user according to taste), allow for some focal distance processing for replay cameras which would make it more realistic as TV cameras nowadays make use of this stuff and last but not least make for some nice TV style presentation (TV presentation cameras, good TV overlays,...) - this all would add exceptionally to the immersion and would create the illusion of real-life racing events.

Because eventually that's why we play your sims - to have the illusion of really being part of a practice, race etc. And next to the physics, the presentation of the event in a way we see realistic events on TV adds exceptionally to the immersion. And at the moment your sims lack much of this. And new customers could probably think similar to what you stated (I quote again):
Quote
Again, graphics is not just cosmetic. It sets the tone for the whole project. It is extremely unlikely to have a good, realistic game when the art is so cartoonish dull. A realistic graphics, while no guarantee, would have at least indicated that they were trying.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: vali_grad on June 01, 2017, 02:46:18 PM
is this post turning into a rant towards GP graphics ? :))
how many years Sector3 Studios/Simbin (RaceRoom , gTR, race 07  creator) used mediocre graphics but nice physics ? about 12 ? until games like AC, PC, etc came along with decent to awesome graphs
I came here for a sim (that has no substitute to date), that looks better from the past and right now has real issues regarding other stuff than visuals :P
if you still like NFS series, buy that TT  ;D   {https://youtu.be/ePpPVE-GGJw?t=1m41s (https://youtu.be/ePpPVE-GGJw?t=1m41s)}

AC for car sim, DCS for plane sim, GP for bike sim  8)

PiBoSo, hammer that code until in cuts thru wood ! :))
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Stout Johnson on June 01, 2017, 08:17:14 PM
nobody ranting... just giving constructive criticism.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: CapeDoctor on June 02, 2017, 11:56:06 AM
just to throw a dose of reality into the mix.... some great new TT footage  8)

https://www.youtube.com/v/v1fwCQi6Vag
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: paulieGTR on June 02, 2017, 09:24:27 PM
The graphics look decent in these screenshots:
http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/First-TT-Isle-of-Man-Ride-on-the-Edge-images-surface (http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/First-TT-Isle-of-Man-Ride-on-the-Edge-images-surface)

A bit more indepth(Laserscanned) with John McGuiness and Steve Mercer
http://www.roadracingcore.com/it/en/tt-isle-of-man-the-impressive-videogame-as-seen-by-mcguinness-and-mercer/ (http://www.roadracingcore.com/it/en/tt-isle-of-man-the-impressive-videogame-as-seen-by-mcguinness-and-mercer/)

Another one and it's confirmed - this tt track is laserscanned.!!
http://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/new-tt-game-due-in-autumn/ (http://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/new-tt-game-due-in-autumn/)

Agreed that the "gooseneck" picture looked like a bit of an oversight and not very accurate, but it is a wip after all.
Looking forward to it nonetheless.
I think it's worth a punt, if just for a look, even if it's lacking in the physics dept.   :-[ :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Ryanoh4 on June 06, 2017, 11:10:25 AM
https://twitter.com/steve_mercer/status/872040114393939968

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1mrGmgZbvvLxy
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on June 06, 2017, 12:12:04 PM
It sounds good though and not too bad lookin

Bet it is only for frickin gamepads though!!!
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Reactive on June 06, 2017, 03:28:18 PM
Quotehttps://twitter.com/TTIoMtheGame
The official Twitter page of the TT Isle of Man video game! TT Isle of Man will be available in 2017 on PlayStation 4, Xbox One and PC.

huh
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: paulieGTR on June 07, 2017, 04:05:11 AM
Quote from: Ryanoh4 on June 06, 2017, 11:10:25 AM
https://twitter.com/steve_mercer/status/872040114393939968 (https://twitter.com/steve_mercer/status/872040114393939968)

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1mrGmgZbvvLxy (https://www.pscp.tv/w/1mrGmgZbvvLxy)
thanks for the links.  :)

Quote from: doubledragoncc on June 06, 2017, 12:12:04 PM
It sounds good though and not too bad lookin

Bet it is only for frickin gamepads though!!!
Does that mean your controller will not work.  :P :)

Forget about the physics(they'll get modded big time), that looks freakin' quality man...
Looks like they sorted the tarmac out and the scale looks good too.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on June 07, 2017, 08:10:23 AM
If it is on PC I can make the game think my controller is a gamepad so it works lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Donnie on June 08, 2017, 02:22:37 PM
Just to give some more info. I've just played the early demo of this at the TT.

Will have superbikes, 600's and sidecars.
Track looks great, has been laser scanned.
Developers have focused mainly on getting the track right and are now tweaking physics.
Fully customisable controls at realese inc rider movement etc
Early physics are very rough and buggy so hard to tell but seemed arcade based at this stage.
Will be out before Christmas.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on June 08, 2017, 05:32:20 PM
Quote from: Donnie on June 08, 2017, 02:22:37 PM
Just to give some more info. I've just played the early demo of this at the TT.

Will have superbikes, 600's and sidecars.
Track looks great, has been laser scanned.
Developers have focused mainly on getting the track right and are now tweaking physics.
Fully customisable controls at realese inc rider movement etc
Early physics are very rough and buggy so hard to tell but seemed arcade based at this stage.
Will be out before Christmas.

And what is your overall opinion on this game? Has it potential or is it shit?  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: davidboda46 on June 09, 2017, 04:59:54 AM
Quote from: Donnie on June 08, 2017, 02:22:37 PM
Just to give some more info. I've just played the early demo of this at the TT.

Will have superbikes, 600's and sidecars.
Track looks great, has been laser scanned.
Developers have focused mainly on getting the track right and are now tweaking physics.
Fully customisable controls at realese inc rider movement etc
Early physics are very rough and buggy so hard to tell but seemed arcade based at this stage.
Will be out before Christmas.

Does "fully customable controls" mean support for multiple controllers simultaneously (like in GPB), or just free mapping for one controller? 

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Donnie on June 09, 2017, 11:55:13 AM
Overall it has potential but as I say it's a very early build physics wise.  John Mcguiness is advising them on it.  The bike didn't move around very much.

You will be able to map the controls as you wish.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on June 15, 2017, 08:59:35 AM

https://twitter.com/TTIoMtheGame/status/874974938171658242

Photoshopped to the max.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on June 15, 2017, 10:40:35 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 15, 2017, 08:59:35 AM

https://twitter.com/TTIoMtheGame/status/874974938171658242

Photoshopped to the max.

Totally agree there Piboso.

Hawk.
PS:Something amiss with the posting system.... Trying to post this and would not confirm message posted even though when I refreshed the page it had actually posted for each press of the post button...... I had to delete the other repeated posts.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on June 15, 2017, 10:45:14 AM
Quote from: Hawk on June 15, 2017, 10:40:35 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 15, 2017, 08:59:35 AM

https://twitter.com/TTIoMtheGame/status/874974938171658242

Photoshopped to the max.

Totally agree there Piboso.

The circuit detail is amazing, though.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Warlock on June 15, 2017, 01:08:09 PM
Yes it is.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on June 15, 2017, 10:56:20 PM
This video shows it best so far

https://www.youtube.com/v/hY3OY9ryYAw#t=52.281
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on June 15, 2017, 11:25:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/x0T2epONGic

Good. Pretty good. Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good.
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Post by: Napalm Nick on June 15, 2017, 11:26:35 PM
Jazzy track, great idea. I really want it to be good but....

https://www.youtube.com/v/snpr8hFIf3U

Same old, same old   ::)
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Post by: Super Hang-On on June 16, 2017, 03:16:59 AM
Still got that bright Dx9 look to it, lacking depth. They really have to adjust shaders, alpha and spec mapping on them bikes and riders.
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Post by: HornetMaX on June 16, 2017, 06:55:07 AM
As always, the first clue the physics will suck is the roll dynamics of the bike: it looks like it just rigidly follows your input.
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Post by: CapeDoctor on June 16, 2017, 07:27:37 AM
yep, Max, that was the main thing i noticed. it's just another 'on rails' type of ride, no bike response to any bumps or undulations in the road, as if the road is all just super smooth.
they can pretty it up as much as they like - thanks to PiBoSo, this sort of physics has utterly spoiled these games for me. i'm a GPB physics addict, if i have to admit it....  ;D
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Post by: HornetMaX on June 16, 2017, 10:30:26 AM
I was referring more to how the bike leans left/right. But you're right too, of course.
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Post by: Blackheart on June 16, 2017, 11:16:07 AM
The phisics looks as Motoracer ...

(http://theisozone.com/images/screens/pc-46004-31342375257.jpg)
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Post by: matty0l215 on June 16, 2017, 02:09:25 PM
Unlock the center line limit and lets see what we can do ;)
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Post by: Napalm Nick on June 16, 2017, 02:43:15 PM
+1000
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Post by: BOBR6 84 on June 16, 2017, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on June 16, 2017, 02:09:25 PM
Unlock the center line limit and lets see what we can do ;)

I thought he already did??
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Post by: matty0l215 on June 16, 2017, 06:46:02 PM
We don't currently have the tools and/or we havent been told how
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Post by: PiBoSo on June 18, 2017, 09:14:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/xHG6dBV08ZU

WOW.
Look at the dynamics! Wheelies, stoppies, weaves, wobbles, ...
And that final jump and landing!
Tuned to perfection
(https://media.giphy.com/media/g7DZKvk7Rholy/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Blackheart on June 18, 2017, 09:18:25 PM
1.50... ok the bike can fly.
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Post by: Hawk on June 18, 2017, 10:03:46 PM
Haha! Totally agree with you Piboso! Unfortunately people will still be dumb enough to buy it simply for the eye candy; draws them in like honey to a bee! Lol.  ;D

Any chance GPB could be integrated into the Unreal 4 Engine anytime in the future? Integrate your physics and the eye candy is there to be had. Then you could be the honey drawing the bee's in too! :D

Hawk.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on June 18, 2017, 10:13:04 PM
I will have to get it.....................................but that dont mean I will pay for it................I MUST see if my system works with it AND it is of interest BUT Mike(SimUK) and I are working on something that may change the motorcycling game and sim industry ..................

DD
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Post by: Warlock on June 19, 2017, 01:08:53 AM
LOL, the bike  just doesn't have suspensions  ;D
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Post by: BOBR6 84 on June 19, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
It's a motorcycle computer GAME!!! of course it's dissapointing for simulator fans.. funny thing is, we can all slate it but at the end of the day they will make alot of money from it lol  :P
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Post by: Boerenlater on June 19, 2017, 10:49:43 AM
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on June 19, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
It's a motorcycle computer GAME!!! of course it's dissapointing for simulator fans.. funny thing is, we can all slate it but at the end of the day they will make alot of money from it lol  :P
Do you think so?
The market for car games is way bigger, then come the MotoGP games. I doubt this TT game will do well.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on June 25, 2017, 02:02:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/YaOA6Wzfts8
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Post by: Meyer#12 on June 25, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on June 25, 2017, 02:02:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/YaOA6Wzfts8

Very smooth rider there! haven't seen any of the TT riders be that smooth and without any wobbles or slides! :O

Hopefully only work in progress so it might turn out to be a decent game!
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Post by: PeterV on June 25, 2017, 03:05:33 PM
Looking good for an alpha, gears sound slow though.
Will be a nice addition too the race collection.
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Post by: BOBR6 84 on June 25, 2017, 03:08:49 PM
Its a good effort!! Doesn't blow me away but considering all their other games.. This is nice to see!  :)
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Post by: doubledragoncc on July 06, 2017, 11:16:28 AM
Latest trailer I saw

https://www.youtube.com/v/8tp_NLDvGF4
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on July 06, 2017, 02:16:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/jD28g7OI_SY
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Post by: Hawk on July 06, 2017, 04:41:48 PM
Hmm... It'll be very interesting to see how good their bike physics will be.... Will they go for arcade physics or real physics? They didn't actually say, but we all know that games companies overhype the accuracy of their physics when it comes to actual real physics simulation; usually we end up with a well dumbed down version of actual realistic physics. So looks like we'll have to wait till Oct 2017 to see what they actually come up with.  :)

But the track is definitely looking better now from the bits they've shown in the video.

Hawk.
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Post by: Napalm Nick on July 06, 2017, 06:09:47 PM
From the videos i dont think there are any physics at all, the bike doesnt even seem to be in contact with the ground so a lean-left, lean-right simulator at best.

However, ignoring that it looks a lot of fun, learning the course, and beating your times. Just one more go. Hehe.

My money is ready.
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Post by: Nicotine on August 04, 2017, 10:54:34 AM
intersted to try it :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on August 11, 2017, 08:35:49 AM
Latest vid but in French

https://www.youtube.com/v/xfRMo4vKWeA
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on August 11, 2017, 08:44:28 AM
For some reason the French have never realised there is an international language they need to speak when promoting their thoughts to a world audience. Hehe!

Just a bit of banter guys.... So keep your hair on! Lol!  ;D ;D

Translation for the French guys here: Pour une raison quelconque, les Français ne se sont jamais rendu compte qu'il existe une langue internationale qu'ils doivent parler lors de la promotion de leurs pensées dans un public mondial. Hehe!

Juste un peu de gars plaisants ... alors gardez-vous les cheveux sur!  ;D ;D


Hawk.
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Post by: tchemi on August 11, 2017, 09:57:25 AM
Please Hawk, don't use google translate ^^
Juste un peu de gars plaisants ... alors gardez-vous les cheveux sur!  =>  Just a little of pleasant guys ... So keep yourself, the hair on top of !   :o ;D ;D

His speach is terrible  :-[   "aaaa one-word, aaaaaaaaaaaa an-other-word, aaa word, word, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"


Anyway, It might be a french interview of a french studio for a french site :/
Do you guys want a translation ?



hahaha, look the video at 4':08''  https://youtu.be/xfRMo4vKWeA?t=248
The action on the joystick ^^

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Post by: Blackheart on August 11, 2017, 10:06:43 AM
There are the subtitles...   ???

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Post by: Hawk on August 11, 2017, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: tchemi on August 11, 2017, 09:57:25 AM
Please Hawk, don't use google translate ^^
Juste un peu de gars plaisants ... alors gardez-vous les cheveux sur!  =>  Just a little of pleasant guys ... So keep yourself, the hair on top of !   :o ;D ;D

His speach is terrible  :-[   "aaaa one-word, aaaaaaaaaaaa an-other-word, aaa word, word, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"


Anyway, It might be a french interview of a french studio for a french site :/
Do you guys want a translation ?



ROFL!!  That's funny! ;D

Noted regarding the rubbish, though very funny, Google translator. I may in fact use it more often for translating the French language... Just for a good giggle! Hehe!  ;D

Thanks for the offer tchemi, but no worries about translations or whatever.... I was just having a little English/French fun and banter.  ;D 8)

Hawk.
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Post by: KG_03 on August 30, 2017, 08:02:24 AM
I have found new video from the recent gamescon
: https://youtu.be/ArB2VAUnAo0
In comparison to previous videos I see highsides and improved crashes. Still loosing front looks impossible.

BTW: Its my first post here at the forum. Didnt find a welcom thread so by the way I wanted to  say hello to everyone 😊
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Post by: matty0l215 on August 30, 2017, 08:20:10 AM
Nice find KG and welcome to the forum. ;D


Is it just me or does the track seem out of scale. The start line looks tiny co.pared to real life?
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Post by: doubledragoncc on August 30, 2017, 08:23:22 AM
Welcome to GPB Forum KG

Thanks for the video

Yep seems VERY narrow to me matty

DD
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Post by: Napalm Nick on August 30, 2017, 09:11:49 AM
HI KG!

Onboard ride looks ok, track may be narrow but is still nice.

What i wonder about ( for a few seconds) is the casual gamer - can he be bothered to spend months learning the track? Or maybe there's a super arcade mode where you just bounce round the obstacles without falling. :D

Looks better than the last vid so is looking better and better.

Yep i am giving this game a chance!
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Post by: Grooveski on August 30, 2017, 09:39:26 AM
Mmmmmm - SpeedTree-enabled laser-scanned TT loveliness.

(https://i1.wp.com/gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/homer-simpson-drooling-animated-gif-12.gif)

LIDAR based so they'd have to go out of their way to get the widths wrong.
It's maybe just a high FOV making it appear narrow.
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Post by: Hawk on August 30, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
Welcome aboard KG!  ;)

Nice video.... The game environment looks amazing though as has been mentioned, it does look a little narrow to real life? But I see the bikes are still acting very arcadey with very little actual real physics movement/forces in action? Maybe it was just in a base arcade-ride mode? But yeah. Very impressed with the eye-candy.  :)

Good point about the possible FOV Groove.  ;)

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Post by: Warlock on August 30, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: Hawk on August 30, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
acting very arcadey with very little actual real physics movement/forces in action?

Well , i call it a real pile of crap  ;D.  Yo can frontally hit a 20cm curb and the bike jump straight in the air and land on top of it , no problem  ;D  (min 2:09).
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Post by: PiBoSo on August 30, 2017, 03:00:02 PM

Congratulations to the developers for keeping the real road width. A bold move.
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Post by: PiBoSo on August 30, 2017, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Warlock on August 30, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: Hawk on August 30, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
acting very arcadey with very little actual real physics movement/forces in action?

Well , i call it a real pile of crap  ;D.  Yo can frontally hit a 20cm curb and the bike jump straight in the air and land on top of it , no problem  ;D  (min 2:09).

Problem is, despite being so arcade, the game will probably be very difficult for the average user anyway, because the road is so narrow and long ( hence hard to memorize ).
Who is this game targeted to?
Average gamers? Surely not, too difficult and boring.
Motorcycle enthusiasts? Definitely not, the bike dynamics is way too arcade.
Diehard TT fans? Maybe... But isn't the audience a bit small for such an expensive project?
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Post by: doubledragoncc on August 30, 2017, 03:48:10 PM
Have to agree with Pib on those points.

Its to long to learn in an hour and too arcade for diehard simmers but who knows

DD
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Post by: KG_03 on August 31, 2017, 07:22:40 PM
Thank you for all kind words. I agree with PB. This game will not have a big audience as the track is difficult to learn. What I see in Ride 2 is that people rarely choose road racing tracks. Most of them prefer to ride on race tracks and very few ppl want to race on Ulster GP or NW200. From the videos that I have already seen I can assume that the whole track will be divided into segments and it will be possible to race on certain parts of the road. Lets not forget that developers promised imaginated tracks that will be available in game so it won't be only one track. Lets hope it will be so.
Good that at least there is possibility to have a highside. Wish there was also a possibility to loose front and have a lowslide. I constantly try to push the developers through facebook to know something more but they stopped replying to any questions connected with game. All I know is that we can not count on any early demo or early access :-( So only we will get final version. If I find something more in the internet from recent Gamescon  I will write it.

By the way, thank you PiBoSo for GP Bikes. It is a motorcycle game where I finally found what I need.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Ryanoh4 on September 02, 2017, 12:26:41 AM
That latest video looks like motogp 10/11 engine  ;D bike physics look trash, shame because the track looks pretty decent...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on September 26, 2017, 01:46:35 PM

LOL: http://www.bsimracing.com/tt-isle-of-man-ride-on-the-edge-game-delayed/

Bike physics ain't easy, uh?  :P
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: teeds on September 26, 2017, 01:50:21 PM
Missing bike physics has never stopped them before though, I wonder what changed?  ???  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on September 26, 2017, 01:50:35 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on September 26, 2017, 01:46:35 PM

LOL: http://www.bsimracing.com/tt-isle-of-man-ride-on-the-edge-game-delayed/

Bike physics ain't easy, uh?  :P
You got it wrong. It was too hardcore, they need to simplify it a fair bit before going to the market :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on September 26, 2017, 03:06:14 PM
Jesus, are they planning a TT 2018 Release :P
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on September 26, 2017, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: teeds on September 26, 2017, 01:50:21 PM
Missing bike physics has never stopped them before though, I wonder what changed?  ???  ;D

I think every comment under every press release was "i hope the physics is good and not more arcade crud". Perhaps they noticed. 
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Post by: KG_03 on September 26, 2017, 05:56:55 PM
Im happy with this change of date. Still cant wait to get final game and I hope that they will release a DLC with more tracks other than Mountain Course. Single IoM TT track will be boring after some time. I suppose from the videos that are already in youtube that the whole IoM track will be divided into segments, and player will be able to ride whole track and only a part of it. Will see. Ah! And they said there will be sidecars :-D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on September 26, 2017, 06:09:38 PM
I'd rather wait to have some bad physics.

The circuit looks great.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Manu on September 26, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
When these bikes and IOM track put on GP Bikes will no longer be so arcade.  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on September 26, 2017, 07:18:22 PM
Honestly after playing GP-Bikes for a longer time I start to be less enthusiatic with simulation physics for wide audience motorcycle racing games. Don't understand me wrong. Since I bought my first motorcycle games (old Superbikes Challange by Milestone) I wanted more and more realistic physics, but recently I have noticed how frustrating can be crashing all the time after smaller mistakes - this leads to dead multiplayer lobbies and playing offline is boring after some time. More over riding motorcycle is more based on all senses and a gamepad or steering wheel is not enough to make it realistic (DD I really look forward to a motorcycle handlebar) There arent many ppl like me and you guys who are stubborn enough to spend time and practice one track over and over to perfection. As I see from playing motorcycle games for past few years ppl who look for immersion or realism in motorcycle group are in a very small group. From my long friends at steam list there are only 4 who play onboard without any assists. And unfortunately companies need to earn money, also because to buy official licences. So I am very very happy that PiBoSo is making GP Bikes and I will support it as long as possible.
However I still expect from developers to give more realism to their games and offer wide array of help and options but as we can see making a physics properly takes a lot of time.  I am big opponent to disabling the lowsides that are supper grippy grass that is very common in all recent motorcycle games I have played ... except GP Bikes of course :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on November 28, 2017, 10:52:45 AM
This hurn me eyes, I too old for this lol

https://www.youtube.com/v/r-ryv0K0_PA

Some of the bikes:

https://www.youtube.com/v/3rK7Uv4Kb_g

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on November 28, 2017, 11:29:43 AM
They still have 4 mibths to improve the physics. As soneone said at steam platform forum the physics were criticised by John MacGuinnes. The game didnt represent the thrill of riding IoM TT and it was the reason why developers postoponed the release date. If its true... I dont know but from what I see on the video the physics didnt change since the last video from Gamescom 2017.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on November 28, 2017, 07:09:12 PM
The track looks really good
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Harrytmj66 on November 29, 2017, 11:46:37 AM
It looks absolutely beautiful. I have heard they are going to fill it with non real tracks :(

I can understand that they don't want to take away the shine of the TT course but surely they could have added a few British tracks for you to race as well, very much like the real TT riders do go and race at BSB before the TT to get used to the bikes.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Super Hang-On on November 29, 2017, 11:44:25 PM
The bikes and riders look out of scale, a bit too big. Compared to the houses and even the road width, unless they only drive Smart cars in Ireland, those roads IN THE GAME don't fit two sedans.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on November 30, 2017, 12:08:51 AM
I'm still stoked for it. Once the track is learnt, trying to shave seconds off will be pretty fun I think.  8)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on November 30, 2017, 12:34:33 AM
Quote from: Guiga on November 29, 2017, 11:44:25 PM
The bikes and riders look out of scale, a bit too big. Compared to the houses and even the road width, unless they only drive Smart cars in Ireland, those roads IN THE GAME don't fit two sedans.
I think it is because of wide FOV that changes the perspective.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on December 02, 2017, 03:24:02 PM
I found new video posted 5 days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSWo_wBhPuk

I know it won't be as realistic as GP Bikes. But I like a lot the engine sounds, sense of speed and graphics of course!. The onboard camera is looking like gyrocam on a tank :-( Don't really like lack of headshake depending on speed and wide FOV. I hope it will be as an option.

And here is an interview with developer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94MP1UoN6Mw\

not sure from what time the cut scene videos are but it looks like the FOV is wider. So maybe there will be changable FOV eventually.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on December 02, 2017, 03:48:35 PM
Quote from: KG13 on December 02, 2017, 03:24:02 PM
I found new video posted 5 days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSWo_wBhPuk

Reupload of this old video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOA6Wzfts8
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on December 02, 2017, 07:19:29 PM
Ah damn. I didnt see it b4 and I thought its new...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on December 19, 2017, 12:54:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/m0TYWdpTAFE
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on December 19, 2017, 07:43:13 AM
Roll on March!   8)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: TheFREAK on December 19, 2017, 09:14:28 AM
The trailer is awesome... The game looks good, hopefully the riding experience is also as good as the graphics.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on December 19, 2017, 11:51:02 AM
Your Hs3 will make it feel better Freak lol

Just waiting on DPD to get their asses here and pick it up

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on January 19, 2018, 10:56:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/bMf1IgFSpVo
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on January 19, 2018, 11:00:29 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on January 19, 2018, 10:56:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/bMf1IgFSpVo

Are you trying to Tell us Piboso??

You keep posting the videos :P ;)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on January 19, 2018, 11:01:56 PM
Too expensive for my pension to cover :(
Must be teasing us.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on January 19, 2018, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on January 19, 2018, 11:00:29 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on January 19, 2018, 10:56:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/bMf1IgFSpVo

Are you trying to Tell us Piboso??

You keep posting the videos :P ;)

Nothing.
I follow the project because I tried to do the same in the past, so I am emotionally invested.
I post the videos because it seems that many here are interested in this game.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on January 19, 2018, 11:17:26 PM
Ahh, TTB I remeber..

Reguardless of how interesting the game seems, a £40 on a game that will be a port to PC is to steep for my budget so i will be waiting a while for a copy :P
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on January 20, 2018, 12:52:57 AM
No matter how beautiful this game will be it still will be arcade or simcade. The balance between fun and realism is very hard to make. There will be always group of people who will not be happy with it. I just hope that this game will not fake the reality with super grippy grass or tyres with unlimited grip - just like it was/is in Milestone games.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on January 20, 2018, 03:05:07 AM
Quote from: KG13 on January 20, 2018, 12:52:57 AM
No matter how beautiful this game will be it still will be arcade or simcade. The balance between fun and realism is very hard to make. There will be always group of people who will not be happy with it. I just hope that this game will not fake the reality with super grippy grass or tyres with unlimited grip - just like it was/is in Milestone games.

+1 Totally agree, but they did delay the original release because they wanted to work on the physics so they were more realistic; how realistic we won't know until release I guess..... But I, like yourself, suspect that the physics will be somewhat simcade to say the least.... But let's wait and see.... From what I've seen it certainly looks the part for sure! ;D 8)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PeterV on January 20, 2018, 12:09:52 PM
i will sure buy it if its too my liking but first try a "Downloaded Demo"  ;)

OT: will also do this with the Dakar game, looks to be funa as well, i want a truck !
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: EnhanceJohn on January 21, 2018, 08:18:20 PM
The release date is 15th of March according to instant-gaming.com, preorder price is 25 euro.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on January 21, 2018, 08:23:57 PM
Still long time to wait. Did you see the recomended specs? 8GB RAM, GTX 1060 ... I think I need to start to gather money for PC Upgrade :-(
I worry that the game will be crap ... Like it was in case of Ride 2... months of waiting and pffff the game was not good.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on January 21, 2018, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: EnhanceJohn on January 21, 2018, 08:18:20 PM
The release date is 15th of March according to instant-gaming.com, preorder price is 25 euro.

Wow that's the cheapest I have seen at £22.48. Great post  :D!

Is that site safe?  :-\

Theres not much point talking physics - I expect it to be poor in comparison but I still expect to get a lot of fun from it. Just riding a photo real IOM for a start.
I will not be disappointed as I am not pinning any hopes on it. Win win!  Maybe a nice surprise for me.

Anyway according to the release blarb it says "Even the real IOMTT riders say the physics is great"  hahahaaha!

So basically, if you think the physics is poor you don't know sh*t about it  :-X

hahaahahhohohhohehehee
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on January 21, 2018, 08:32:32 PM
Hahaha, true ;-)
I think I am mentally ill after playing Milestone games ;-)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: EnhanceJohn on January 21, 2018, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: Napalm Nick on January 21, 2018, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: EnhanceJohn on January 21, 2018, 08:18:20 PM
The release date is 15th of March according to instant-gaming.com, preorder price is 25 euro.

Wow that's the cheapest I have seen at £22.48. Great post  :D!

Is that site safe?  :-\

I bought Ride2 also there, as doubledragoncc pointed that offer out on that site just before it released. They delivered the steam-code as agreed, and the payment was handled well . Besides that now you can pay with IDEAL, that is a safer method than a credit card.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on January 21, 2018, 09:07:54 PM
K thx EJohn.  8)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on January 21, 2018, 09:39:30 PM
Quote from: Napalm Nick on January 21, 2018, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: EnhanceJohn on January 21, 2018, 08:18:20 PM
The release date is 15th of March according to instant-gaming.com, preorder price is 25 euro.

Wow that's the cheapest I have seen at £22.48. Great post  :D!

Is that site safe?  :-\

Theres not much point talking physics - I expect it to be poor in comparison but I still expect to get a lot of fun from it. Just riding a photo real IOM for a start.
I will not be disappointed as I am not pinning any hopes on it. Win win!  Maybe a nice surprise for me.

Anyway according to the release blarb it says "Even the real IOMTT riders say the physics is great"  hahahaaha!

So basically, if you think the physics is poor you don't know sh*t about it  :-X

hahaahahhohohhohehehee

Haha! ;D

Let's face it.... the riders will say anything if they are paid enough... Makes no difference to them. Lol! ;D

But I'd bet none of them have ridden in GPBikes and if they've bothered to play any bike race game/sim to compare bike physics with this new game it's likely to be Milestones MotoGP, so I would honestly say even they know jack-shit about how good race bike physics can be on a PC sim. :-X ;D

Basically I'm saying that even real riders will likely not be comparing the bike physics with real life(for them there will be absolutely no comparison if they were honest about it) but very likely comparing them to other games/sim physics they've previously known before? ;)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Wimp #97 on January 21, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
Quote from: Hawk on January 21, 2018, 09:39:30 PM

Haha! ;D

Let's face it.... the riders will say anything if they are paid enough... Makes no difference to them. Lol! ;D

But I'd bet none of them have ridden in GPBikes and if they've bothered to play any bike race game/sim to compare bike physics with this new game it's likely to be Milestones MotoGP, so I would honestly say even they know jack-shit about how good race bike physics can be on a PC sim. :-X ;D

Basically I'm saying that even real riders will likely not be comparing the bike physics with real life(for them there will be absolutely no comparison if they were honest about it) but very likely comparing them to other games/sim physics they've previously known before? ;)

Indeed, how many times i've heard a motogp rider say that the new game is amazing! Just for advertisement.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 08, 2018, 03:52:26 PM
There is new video from the gameplay:
https://www.facebook.com/bigbengames/videos/337482840102774/

As for me I really like the improvements. What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on February 08, 2018, 05:26:53 PM
Quote from: KG13 on February 08, 2018, 03:52:26 PM
There is new video from the gameplay:
https://www.facebook.com/bigbengames/videos/337482840102774/

As for me I really like the improvements. What are your thoughts?

Notice he didn't say anything about the in-game bike physics..... could be telling?

But yeah, certainly looks great to the eye! ;D 8)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on February 08, 2018, 06:13:49 PM
Talk of physics doesn't light many peoples fire. Also this is John McGuiness not exactly the computer game guru is he :P
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on February 08, 2018, 07:58:15 PM
If the companies that make motorcycle games usually make the physical accessible to all public imagine in a game that has to go pr the public way ..

Totally arcade, but you can also make good arcade games like the Motogp series from namco.

sorry for my bad english.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 08, 2018, 09:33:39 PM
I understand that bike physics wont make everyone 100% happy. Company must earn money and if they made a physics like gp bikes most of the people will say this game is too hard. I can accept the bike physics unsless it does not fake the reality like ultimate grip of the tires. I look forward to this game.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: August1 on February 09, 2018, 10:20:40 AM
They need to completely change the steering system in motorcycle games. In real life a leaning motorcycle won't simply pop straight back up like a jack in the box when the rider stops providing steering inputs. This is the reason why the steering looks so jerky and unrealistic in this video.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on February 09, 2018, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: August1 on February 09, 2018, 10:20:40 AM
They need to completely change the steering system in motorcycle games. In real life a leaning motorcycle won't simply pop straight back up like a jack in the box when the rider stops providing steering inputs. This is the reason why the steering looks so jerky and unrealistic in this video.

Have you tried DST control in GPBikes? It's as realistic as your going get in a motorcycle sim.... Just need a bike controller that can use it. Lol! ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on February 09, 2018, 06:00:35 PM
how can you tell theres no steering inputs? all it takes is a flinch from your reactions to put pressure on the left handlebar and the bike will react to it.. also at high speed the wind makes it difficult.. its a constant game of small corrections..
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: connorhall70 on February 09, 2018, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: August1 on February 09, 2018, 10:20:40 AM
They need to completely change the steering system in motorcycle games. In real life a leaning motorcycle won't simply pop straight back up like a jack in the box when the rider stops providing steering inputs. This is the reason why the steering looks so jerky and unrealistic in this video.

it doesnt pop straight back up you're right, but it does come back up with minimal effort. its just natural like a car is, sure it wont go into a perfect straight line; but it does naturally straighten up...
trying to simulate this is a bad idea because not everyone has a full on bike sim in their bedroom/living room.
look at assetto corsa for example, you literally have to have a wheel to play the game... practically impossible to play with a handheld controller like an xbox controller.

im sure theyre looking at peoples comments all over the place about this game, and who knows, maybe theyre here looking at this thread for things to look at as they continue development.

They've had and still have quite a long time to polish the game up since the gameplay trailer last year...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on February 12, 2018, 04:44:40 PM
 :-\ With that control it looks like a mobile game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcH_M17JvZU
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: h106frp on February 12, 2018, 04:48:08 PM
Onboard view sucks in the usual milestone way with the riders head never moving  :(   
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Donnie on February 12, 2018, 05:10:30 PM
He actually says more than once it reminds him of the ol manx TT arcade game and super hang on.

Also when answering someone's question in the comments section he refers them to ride 2 for a simulation game.


Says it all really. 👎
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 12, 2018, 09:43:18 PM
Very showing video, been waiting to hear back from them and nothing since Mike and I got the last reply.

Onboard looked like shite and will block any view you really need lol

Heres hoping they fix it all lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on February 12, 2018, 10:20:19 PM
It's Ride.. With the TT track... Well shit...... ::)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on February 12, 2018, 10:59:57 PM
Allen just saved me some money.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 12, 2018, 11:37:14 PM
I really dont like those guys from team VVV. Their reviews are made like all players are arcade fools. Almost never show important features of the game. They ale never criticise directly the game, so I dont believe in their reviews.
I still look forward to this game but I see that it will be an arcade racing with some weird simulation of physics...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: August1 on February 13, 2018, 05:42:50 AM
A refined version of this which takes into account the limitations of gamepads is exactly what I'm dreaming of. Left thumbstick to tip your bike into a left turn, controller rumble/scraping sound to let you know when you're scraping knee, thumbstick back to neutral to maintain the turn (in real life the rider would need to maintain a small amount of pressure on the bars to maintain the turn but it's too small to be accurately simulated using a normal gamepad), thumbstick right to exit the turn and bring your bike back up.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Harrytmj66 on February 13, 2018, 11:02:48 AM
I'm happy with it. We knew from the announcement it would not be a full simulation game but it looks very pretty and i think even our community will enjoy how well they have replicated the tracks with all the bumps, crests and bobbles.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on February 13, 2018, 12:42:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/v/LjGVqpX_9iA

https://www.youtube.com/v/uLvO1xDBPI0

It would be easy to make fun of the "physics" and the rider animations and the backward-spinning wheel at the start.
But GAWD DAYUM the lighting is so good and circuit is so detailed and realistic, I feel ashamed  :'(
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 13, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
You should be PROUD Mr P. GPB is the only true sim no matter how good IOM TT looks but yes mouth watering lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 13, 2018, 01:13:47 PM
Piboso no one made better motorcycle simulation game, and as Allan said you should be proud of your game.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on February 13, 2018, 01:37:04 PM
The circuit is very well done
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PeterV on February 13, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
ooh yes, that track, 6 march it should be out yes?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on February 13, 2018, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: PeterV on February 13, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
ooh yes, that track, 6 march it should be out yes?

In GPB?? maybe the 7th ;) :P
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Ryanoh4 on February 13, 2018, 06:36:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcH_M17JvZU
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Donnie on February 13, 2018, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on February 13, 2018, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: PeterV on February 13, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
ooh yes, that track, 6 march it should be out yes?

In GPB?? maybe the 7th ;) :P



Hahahah yes please!!!!
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: speedfr on February 13, 2018, 07:26:50 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on February 13, 2018, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: PeterV on February 13, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
ooh yes, that track, 6 march it should be out yes?

In GPB?? maybe the 7th ;) :P

Yes, was thinking the same cuz that's the only stuff to steal for GPB, the rest is to forget. Honestly, if a modder find the way to extract the track and convert it, that will be nice.
It's beautiful and... that's all.
On the video, the guys use what kind of controller, he doesn't seems very confortable and accel as well as leaning is not smooth. Probably a Xbox pad or equivalent.... ?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 14, 2018, 10:01:38 AM
Found this more informative from video side but in French. Maybe Speedyfr can do a remake for us lazy English only speakers lol.

https://www.youtube.com/v/44b3PWPSAPk

https://www.youtube.com/v/UYxV3JbYdfQ

I will let you know about controller compatability when they answer me lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: TheFREAK on February 14, 2018, 10:36:22 AM
Graphics great... The rest... No comments...  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 14, 2018, 11:00:54 AM
Got ur email Freak. I will send info today or can you talk on Skype?

And for the English buggers here from Mr Riot himself

https://www.youtube.com/v/S8n61-2stf0

Seems consoles get it first WTF!!!

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on February 14, 2018, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on February 13, 2018, 12:42:32 PM
But GAWD DAYUM the lighting is so good and circuit is so detailed and realistic, I feel ashamed  :'(
About time :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 14, 2018, 05:52:55 PM
I think that we will never get the game we want. Developers know that if they make the game too hard or realistic they wont sell it.
As for IoM TT it looks fast na fun. Unfortunately I have lowered my expectations after I have noticed the tyres make a sound on acceleration and bike is not flipping over.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Donnie on February 14, 2018, 06:19:01 PM
It looks very unfinished to me. Almost like the developers have thought the majority of players will play with onboard view so they rushed the chase cam rider animations.

It also looks like they haven't sorted the physics issues with the bike suddenly veering left or right.

I know it's hard to tell from a review video and not playing it yourself but it doesn't fill me with excitement.

Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 14, 2018, 07:17:13 PM
Keep in mind that none of the videos were played in simulation mode.
What is weird to me that some rear wheel slides look weird. No lowslides or highsides, but as I wrode b4 we didnt see simulation mode yet.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: speedfr on February 14, 2018, 08:55:51 PM
For the French video that DD posted earlier, i didn't look till the end cuz the guy who comments that is ... how to say that without being too rude...

Anyway, forget his video and specially the comments, the guys is stupid and think that this is the best hardest simulator ever.
So, actually, it was better that nobody understand anything, there's nothing to listen to.

Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 14, 2018, 09:02:52 PM
I watch at the videos try to analyse stuff and find out what we can expect. I am surprised that there is almost no suspension movement. The front feels stiff, the handlebar does not move (its fixed) in the model. Very weird and simplified... also the rider and bike models have tendency to melt with each other, not even mentioning that the left foot make weird movement when changing the gears.
I wish I could do a review on my own. I see that ppl making those videos are not familiar with this kind of games.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: speedfr on February 14, 2018, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: KG13 on February 14, 2018, 09:02:52 PM
I wish I could do a review on my own. I see that ppl making those videos are not familiar with this kind of games.

Go ahead !!

But you need to flirt with the Studios that makes the game in order to catch an earlier release. That's how this French Youtuber did.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on February 14, 2018, 09:33:09 PM
Maybe they can approach Piboso and amalgamate the two games for the perfect result assuming such a thing is possible.  8)

I wonder if PiB would be interested in that?

I like to think the next version of the game will improve the bike as there is little to do on the graphics.

Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 14, 2018, 09:43:08 PM
It would great but I do not even have a youtube channel  background so probably it will be hard go get preview build.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: speedfr on February 14, 2018, 09:57:01 PM
Quote from: KG13 on February 14, 2018, 09:43:08 PM
It would great but I do not even have a youtube channel  background so probably it will be hard go get preview build.

If you don't start and try, you'll never know...  ;D

When i contacted Dan and Betty at EDTracker to know better about their product, buy some in group for some French Sim players and did some videos of the EdTracker settings and uses, i had no background, but some Game Studios contacted me after to do other videos but first, that's not my life, i'm a Youtube consumer not a maker and second, the games was nothing like i play (Moba or this kind of 3rd person view in 3D) so i decline.
But i'm sure that if you are into it, really and ready to do lots of reviews (yes, they give you something but they want some back), you just need to find the right angle and attitude to make noise on Youtube.
For example, the French video that DD posted earlier, the guy is screaming constantly, like he is on hype, stupid and makes lot of noise for nothing.
And hey, there's a bunch of Dev and Studios in Poland, that could be a good start... But, you gonna have to stop taking care of others then...  ;D Cuz it's going to eat your life for ... nothing - super hard to have a regular income from Youtube or even Studios, it's like movie industry, it goes by title.


Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 14, 2018, 10:23:25 PM
In Poland motorcycle sport is not very popular. Even if I look at motorcycle game players I know 3 that play regular so my market is not a good place for developer. Anyway you have said it very vell - if I wont try I'll never know :-)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: poumpouny on February 15, 2018, 12:18:08 PM
I think that the best game we could have is, the IOM graphic quality, GPbikes physics + Milestone's bike game physics with wich you could suitch from. Like in Dirt 4, you open the game, choose between arcade (milestone physics) or simulation (Gpbikes physics). With that every body will be happy. Is it that hard to make such a game for Big studion like miletsone or big ben ?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Donnie on February 15, 2018, 05:10:49 PM
Have t say does look a bit better on this video and you get a better idea what the game is like.

https://youtu.be/_ijBnmQuf0M (https://youtu.be/_ijBnmQuf0M)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Reactive on February 19, 2018, 05:09:27 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on February 13, 2018, 12:42:32 PM

But GAWD DAYUM the lighting is so good and circuit is so detailed and realistic, I feel ashamed  :'(

May be that`s why some people here asked to think about Unreal engine? Seems like all this eye candys not only for kids? Is it really so important to write your own 3D engine when you are master of simulation?
Anyway, from what i saw the main goals for GPbikes is solving Z-fights from trees alphas, solving global lightning and baking, more agressive PBR shading.
And im ready to buy your game again if you`ll decide to move on any contemporary game engines.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on February 19, 2018, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: Reactive on February 19, 2018, 05:09:27 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on February 13, 2018, 12:42:32 PM

But GAWD DAYUM the lighting is so good and circuit is so detailed and realistic, I feel ashamed  :'(

May be that`s why some people here asked to think about Unreal engine? Seems like all this eye candys not only for kids? Is it really so important to write your own 3D engine when you are master of simulation?
Anyway, from what i saw the main goals for GPbikes is solving Z-fights from trees alphas, solving global lightning and baking, more agressive PBR shading.
And im ready to buy your game again if you`ll decide to move on any contemporary game engines.

+1 Totally agree with what you've said there Reactive, especially the part I quote-highlighted in blue.  ;)

To my mind, it is a waste of development time to re-invent the wheel all the time when that time saved could be used in concentrating on the physics code alone as all the rest of the eye-candy is already there in an engine like UE4. Why bust your balls on designing your own graphics engine when there is an industry leader GE that's already there for you to use, and at a great deal for developers too!? :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 19, 2018, 10:31:24 AM
I don't like UE4. The graphics are candy like, and for some reason it has some weird chromatic aberration on the edges of models. I've read its quite user friendly engine but I doubt that its a good one for simulation games. I personally like the curent engine with the high detailed textures like in case of Donington track. I miss 64bit version so it would allow more detailed textures.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 19, 2018, 10:37:54 AM
Best video so far but speedy needs to tell me what the dude is saying lol

https://www.youtube.com/v/KDY5xjZvWCE

GPBikes 64bit is so baddly needed

DD

Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 19, 2018, 12:10:14 PM
cant wait to play it. Still we didnt see the full sim mode without any assists. I have noticed in previous videos some wird bike behaviour when rear wheel starts to slide...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on February 19, 2018, 01:42:43 PM
What a disappointment..
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: JohnnoNinja on February 19, 2018, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: KG13 on February 19, 2018, 12:10:14 PM
I have noticed in previous videos some wird bike behaviour when rear wheel starts to slide...

Also in this video at 10:10 it looks weird how the bike slides...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 19, 2018, 08:27:54 PM
Yes its one of the examples.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: speedfr on February 19, 2018, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on February 19, 2018, 10:37:54 AM
Best video so far but speedy needs to tell me what the dude is saying lol
...

DD

So the guys says at first that he mostly play car games but is interested in motorcycle games too.
Then he explains that for the technical parts of this particular games (sim, arcade or both) he is not the good guys to ask.
Finally, the only thing that i've notice that could give some thrill to the game is the fact that you can play online up to 8 riders.
On 3 tracks.
And even if it wasn't finished for the test, the TT will have his 264 corners and full length.
Graphics are not that great even if you can play it in 4K, 2K or 1080 without issue.
He is playing on a xbox pad.

Doesn't change my own consideration of this game. Crap. Sorry... ;D

Quote from: doubledragoncc on February 19, 2018, 10:37:54 AM

GPBikes 64bit is so baddly needed

DD

Oh yes +1

Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 28, 2018, 10:59:14 AM
I feel so bad wanting this game!!! I am so devoted to GPBikes and Piboso, but until we get GPB in 64bit we are not going to have a chance to get close to IOM TT in GPB and it is the track we all want to ride.

Sorry Mr P but you need to realize that most issues with GPB are down to being 32bit constriction of memory usage and its causing major problems as tracks and bikes require the LAA hack to be used. This means we CANT get what we want out of GPB until you go full 64bit. Its 2018 not 1998 any more and to be competetive in the sim world you have to have a stable program and not rely on any kind of hack to just run the sim with mods that keep the sim alive for us all.

Heres the latest onboard with no commentary thank god from VVV

https://www.youtube.com/v/0pwVSD3dQSo

Forget about adding this and adding that, just make GPB stable and work on making it 64bit and I think most problems will be solved by doing so.

GPB rules and always will in my eyes, but it needs to be 64bit to work.

Thanks for all your hard work Mr P

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 28, 2018, 11:14:18 AM
In terms of gameplay GP Bikes rizes the bar so hight that I doubt that any motorcycle game will be as fun to ride in multiplayer and in offline mode. But I really hope that Pib won't give up on developing the game despite he is alone and not game sales are not as good as the game deserves.
I recently bought MX Bikes and damn I love the game engine so much.

As for IoM TT game, not to make an off topic. I like that they added looking into corner option. Still the physics are far from good. We will see, 1 more month to game release on PC.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 28, 2018, 11:40:00 AM
Just for comparison, think about how old this game is and the system it run on. Surely Piboso can do it?

https://www.youtube.com/v/g03-PRho5n0

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on February 28, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
I think it's fair to say motorcycle games have stood still for the last 20 years. Having played most of them I never expected the latest to have any decent physics so I for one will only be impressed with the TT game as the best Road racer available. No disappointment here.    The closest I will get to riding the IOM w00t :D it's OK to hope for the best of both physics and graphics but the track record in bike games makes it a naive expectation.

Probably the most disappointing was PiBs withdrawal of his own TT based simulator last year which, like all the other titles, desperately needs a graphical update (post processing WIP is encouraging).

Roll on more bike games, without competition we will be standing still for another 20 years stringing along a desperate community. :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 28, 2018, 02:47:13 PM
Its tempting to get the emulator and try it after fining this video lol

https://www.youtube.com/v/OPOqPqXg9_Q

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on February 28, 2018, 04:36:21 PM
My girlfriend has a ps2.. so naturally i bought new copies of TT superbikes real road racing championship. And tourist trophy... absolutely brilliant lol. Especially tourist trophy.. tt superbikes is great but the physics are terrible.. its nice to own though... official road racing tracks no made up "filler tracks like the new one coming out.. also 60fps on the ps2 lol. Agreed bike games should have moved forward years ago.. but its all money these days  ::)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 28, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
Just tried TT Legends on my PC and its great in 1080p and can use my Hs3 in it lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on February 28, 2018, 08:13:52 PM
After recent Team VVV videos I must say that physics are totally broken. I hope that final version has better physics...toherwise it will be improved motorcycle club with beautiful graphics...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on March 02, 2018, 03:55:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/v/lx7208Xpeqg
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Wimp #97 on March 02, 2018, 04:07:37 PM
Lol, it was painfull to watch when he was talking at the start about "simulation" type of leaning and then refered to MotoGP games..., I was shouting "GPBIKES!!!!" haha.

Also the back wheel coming off the ground after a wheelie...


Also every review you find ever on any game is always made by ppl who aren't particularly good at the game... You're never able to see the full potential of a game.

and holy fuck the way the bike reacts before a crash... like what the fuck even is that?? Did seriously nobody say anything about that in the development team? ...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: h106frp on March 02, 2018, 04:11:03 PM
Still looks like Scalextrix - bike needs to move about a bit wiith the rider correcting. Hate the way the rider keeps jiggling about - surely they could damp the movements a bit
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 02, 2018, 04:46:33 PM
But if you pre-order the game now on PS3 you get the Honda TT Legends skin for FREE!!!

I wonder how much money could be made if we charged to paint in GPB :P
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Blackheart on March 02, 2018, 05:05:39 PM
Anyone has a full bikes list of this game?

I will buy it, but just for works on some bikes for GP Bikes, like for the Milestone's game.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on March 02, 2018, 05:14:32 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on March 02, 2018, 04:46:33 PM
But if you pre-order the game now on PS3 you get the Honda TT Legends skin for FREE!!!

I wonder how much money could be made if we charged to paint in GPB :P

I've already asked myself that sometimes ... :'( ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 02, 2018, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: Davide74 on March 02, 2018, 05:14:32 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on March 02, 2018, 04:46:33 PM
But if you pre-order the game now on PS3 you get the Honda TT Legends skin for FREE!!!

I wonder how much money could be made if we charged to paint in GPB :P

I've already asked myself that sometimes ... :'( ;D

Can't charge for a hobby. That makes it a job :P ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 03, 2018, 07:46:08 AM
Oh Lordy........here Allen trys to ride with different assist levels.

https://www.youtube.com/v/lx7208Xpeqg

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 03, 2018, 09:14:26 AM
Never, ever, ever, ever play your any(!) games on easy assisted mode. It's a waste of your life! LOSER.  ;D get stuck in on real mode from the beginning like a winner!

Hehe anyway nice review. I would comment to all reviewers to ride GPB for a while then compare all others too it! But that would make me sound like a GPB fan boy 👦

Get it released already  :D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 03, 2018, 11:26:18 AM
Wimp already advertised GP Bikes there and I did in other videos
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 04, 2018, 04:45:41 PM
A full lap of IOM TT gaqme

https://www.youtube.com/v/OX27xuzlT_k

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 04, 2018, 04:48:10 PM
TT Isle of Man - All tracks and Bikes

https://www.youtube.com/v/0ZzKn3wKhTk

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 04, 2018, 05:02:44 PM
TT Isle of Man: Ride on the Edge Yamaha YZF-R6 Supersport

https://www.youtube.com/v/OeCe_XKRpGA

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 04, 2018, 05:08:58 PM
So... despite the anouncement that there will be side cars we dont get them in game. For some reason the developer is not answering any questions on Facebook or Steam...
I found some nice onboard video that gives me some positive feeling after initial big disappointment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFuRHYCT8Y4

Anyway the imaginary tracks are nice but still cant agree with the physics - like rear tyre loosing grip.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 04, 2018, 05:51:52 PM
TY KG

Not looking good in this video for custom controllers but it is on a PS4 so still hoping my Hs3 works if I can use x360ce to emulate xbox controller? No reply from BigBen or anyone on this yet.

https://www.youtube.com/v/a_KPdkjUKLs

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 04, 2018, 06:04:53 PM
No one gets reply from developer :-( Not sure why... people are complaying on YouTube and steam about this...
Anyway I cant wait...one more month...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Meyer#12 on March 04, 2018, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: KG_03 on March 04, 2018, 06:04:53 PM
No one gets reply from developer :-( Not sure why... people are complaying on YouTube and steam about this...
Anyway I cant wait...one more month...

2 days if you got it for console ;) getting it tuesday :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 04, 2018, 08:18:18 PM
No no, i dont have console. I decided to buy pc instead of console - more possibilities.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Meyer#12 on March 04, 2018, 08:27:12 PM
That is true, i bought for xbox one though to get it before than in the end of the month
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Jorge Sprinter on March 05, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
THE REAL DRIVING ARCADE GAME !!! TODAY LIVE STREAMING ON ME CHANNEL !
https://www.youtube.com/v/nw3z29DcPI4&lc=UgxcxlIPoNFdrzx9TSx4AaABAg
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: SwarleyRuiz on March 05, 2018, 11:25:22 AM
good video Jorge
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: janaucarre on March 05, 2018, 11:54:39 AM
Hi,
Is it possible to block the driver movement in options ?
I hope because i like to play in third person view and it is really disturbing seeing all these little corrections permanently. There isnt for me in gpbikes with 100% in the settings for the response between pad and avatar.
Thank you
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM
Dont think so. I dont even think if there is option to move the rider manually...
Anyway i still see ridiculous physics...like rear wheel sliding under acceleration when anti wheelie is on (really? Come on!) or that when you use front brake and rear looses grip the bike just slides and turns...or like the wheel is turning left or right but the handlebar is fixed...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on March 05, 2018, 04:09:00 PM
Quote from: KG_03 on March 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM
Dont think so. I dont even think if there is option to move the rider manually...
Anyway i still see ridiculous physics...like rear wheel sliding under acceleration when anti wheelie is on (really? Come on!) or that when you use front brake and rear looses grip the bike just slides and turns...or like the wheel is turning left or right but the handlebar is fixed...

The game really looks bad imo. I mean, I like me a good arcade game, but unreasonable physics are just awful and the game really looks like that. Despite that, you wont even have NW 200 or Ulster GP in the game, which is defineltey a let down. But I am looking forward to the opinion of you guys :)

MCF
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: JohnnoNinja on March 05, 2018, 05:53:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOVyZ1gXcQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOVyZ1gXcQ)

Track looks good though... I might buy it just for that... but from what I've seen so far, I'm not too impressed by the "looks" of the physics either...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 05, 2018, 06:14:09 PM
Awesome. The left side looks the best.  :D

Release it !
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 05, 2018, 08:39:02 PM
MCF..............really??? It called IOM TT not NW200 or anything else and as for looking bad buy some glasses lol

Just ordered an XBONE and the game for it as dont want to wait and need to make my Hs3 compatible with consoles so will see when they get here lol

Either way, I think most of you are too bloody fussy going on about physics when you still play with gamepads, get real ffs

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 05, 2018, 08:42:43 PM
DD as I said many times. Its not about making the physics 1:1 its about not faking the reality. The bike in game look like train on the rails. Loosing rear grip cause the bike behave like a car, also from videos I have noticed that when you brake too hard in full lean the bike looses grip but exactly the way it happens in the car - the front is sliding forward not falling. Looks like they copied some of the physics elements form their car games...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 05, 2018, 08:47:49 PM
I just hope my XBONE gets here tomoro as I can download it now but dont have the bone lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on March 05, 2018, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: KG_03 on March 05, 2018, 08:42:43 PM
DD as I said many times. Its not about making the physics 1:1 its about not faking the reality. The bike in game look like train on the rails. Loosing rear grip cause the bike behave like a car, also from videos I have noticed that when you brake too hard in full lean the bike looses grip but exactly the way it happens in the car - the front is sliding forward not falling. Looks like they copied some of the physics elements form their car games...

Exactly my thoughts. And DD, imo it is a little bit of a let down, if the game only has the IoM as a official track. For me, the track content is no reason to buy the game. We have one official track, if I remeber correctly, the IoM and then only fictional tracks. The Ulster GP and The NW200 are beside the IoM the most iconic road races on the planet, you can maybe count in Macau aswell. Btw. my young eyes can see perfectly lol ;D

MCF
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 05, 2018, 09:10:15 PM
I have watched many videos from IoM TT game and the other tracks are very nice. THere was one that looked like a NW200 track.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 05, 2018, 09:28:14 PM
Well I just ordered a cronusmax plus to go with it all and try to get my Hs3 working on consoles...................this is gonna be a fun trip lol

Thanks to HITEC Simulation Park in Spain for the help to try this. Looking at getting full siton motion simulators going this year and hopfully console support so will be good to see if I dont have to wait until the end of the month to ride IOM TT with the Hs3 lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 05, 2018, 09:35:10 PM
Love the way some think they can learn the IOM in a week and need more tracks..................in real life it take about 3 years plus to get to know the full track!!!

Love the Suter

https://www.youtube.com/v/sJBbNCU0BU0

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Vini on March 05, 2018, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 05, 2018, 08:39:02 PMEither way, I think most of you are too bloody fussy going on about physics when you still play with gamepads, get real ffs
lol
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Blackheart on March 05, 2018, 11:07:38 PM
For sure it is an amazing work  :o

The track is just perfect. I love the vid with the Suter by Squadra VVV, finally a good rider. I see some vids of a spanish guy... embarrassing.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Grooveski on March 06, 2018, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 05, 2018, 09:35:10 PM
Love the way some think they can learn the IOM in a week and need more tracks..................in real life it take about 3 years plus to get to know the full track!!!

I've been kicking the ass out of wee h's Nordy conversion for a good year or so now and regularly knock an unfeasible amount of time off the lap.  ???
...like - how was I ever so slow before?   ::)
...but it's taken all that time and half a dozen different bikes for it to sink in.   ;)
(...so yeah - 3 years sounds about right to me :) )

Don't think my computer will run the TT game.  :( It's been years since any of the MGP games have ran nicely.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 06, 2018, 12:52:54 AM
G.......Your one of the most respected guys here. I miss riding with you m8.

Interesting reading peoples thoughts, after 38 years plus of riding in real life I think I will be able to say if IOM TT feels right, have to wait till I get PC version first and if I have to use a game pad I want my money back or BB is gonna have a sore bum once I finish placing the game where the sun dont shine :o

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 06, 2018, 01:48:00 AM
OMFG this shows how bad the so called physics are!!!

https://www.youtube.com/v/_nL9CHzuXac

Please make a real one Piboso..................

Big Ben should be called Bad Bikers lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: davidboda46 on March 06, 2018, 10:07:11 AM
I mailed the developer about the terrible static 1st person view and the lack of "look-to-apex", but surprise surprise I got no reply. I hate it when devs don't listen or acknowledge feedback. Been trying to get EA Canada to change the end to end camera view (so it would be in the upward direction in both halves) for years. It became a bit of a tradition to pester the developers on twitter, but never gotten a reply. I think, the day I actually get a reply from a non independent studio, I will start to believe in Santa... But when I worked as a game reviewer I got blacklisted by Lucas Arts, so at least I know they read reviews... (a gold star for the person who correctly guesses what game I gave a bad score to when I got put on their blacklist).

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46 
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on March 06, 2018, 10:27:07 AM
Quote from: davidboda46 on March 06, 2018, 10:07:11 AM
I think, the day I actually get a reply from a non independent studio, I will start to believe in Santa... But when I worked as a game reviewer I got blacklisted by Lucas Arts, so at least I know they read reviews... (a gold star for the person who correctly guesses what game I gave a bad score to when I got put on their blacklist).
If I recall correctly, an official rep did answer on reddit to a user complaining about Battlefront 2 ... it didn't exactly end well :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Vini on March 06, 2018, 11:01:45 AM
Quote from: Grooveski on March 06, 2018, 12:00:38 AMI've been kicking the ass out of wee h's Nordy conversion for a good year or so now and regularly knock an unfeasible amount of time off the lap.  ???
...like - how was I ever so slow before?   ::)
...but it's taken all that time and half a dozen different bikes for it to sink in.   ;)
Let me know when you want to do some practicing. Would be nice to have somebody to race the Ring with.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 06, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
Ok...I get it...bad reviews = no more games to test and to review?
Am I right David?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: h106frp on March 06, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 06, 2018, 01:48:00 AM
OMFG this shows how bad the so called physics are!!!



Please make a real one Piboso..................

Big Ben should be called Bad Bikers lol

DD

So beautiful but so disappointing, Mario Kart has more believable physics  :(

The developer should not be allowed to use the word simulation anywhere to describe this -  its just another racing running game app with motorcycles.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: davidboda46 on March 06, 2018, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: KG_03 on March 06, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
Ok...I get it...bad reviews = no more games to test and to review?
Am I right David?

Yes, that is correct. I never received another review copy from Lucas Arts after that, my colleagues did... My peace of shit editor also raised the game's score from 3 to 6 (out of 10) but left my name in the review. I was on vacation and did not now it had happened until I was back and saw the magazine (yes, this was in the age of print media). Also noteworthy that Lucas Arts had bought ads for the game in that issue... you draw your own conclusion. I told my editor that if he ever changed a review I've written without removing my name I will beat the crap out of him. I was fired a week after... Worked at other magazines as a game reviewer after that but Lucas Arts still did not remove me from the black list. Used to ask my colleagues from my previous magazine to lend me their copy when they were done with their review...   

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46 
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on March 06, 2018, 03:15:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVN6T4qoQJY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVN6T4qoQJY)

Wow, the 2-stroke shoots flames...  :-X :o ???

The developers do not have the slightest clue how 2-strokes or bikes work ;D

MCF
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on March 06, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
2t retention explosions? lol!!
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on March 06, 2018, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Davide74 on March 06, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
2t retention explosions? lol!!

??? What do you mean, the language barrier strikes again :D

MCF
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on March 06, 2018, 05:24:10 PM
Quote from: h106frp on March 06, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 06, 2018, 01:48:00 AM
OMFG this shows how bad the so called physics are!!!



Please make a real one Piboso..................

Big Ben should be called Bad Bikers lol

DD

So beautiful but so disappointing, Mario Kart has more believable physics  :(

The developer should not be allowed to use the word simulation anywhere to describe this -  its just another racing running game app with motorcycles.

+1 mate..... It's a piss-take for a simulation and only good for those that value eye-candy as the highest priority above all else, otherwise it wouldn't get bought it's so poor.  :)

But I've no doubt the track and the bikes will make there way into GPBikes soon enough. Lol. Though I think the track will be a tough nut to crack with all the data involved. :-\
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 06, 2018, 05:58:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/s5VtylveAZI

GrT just put up a lap.

Is it just me or does the engine sound awful??
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Meyer#12 on March 06, 2018, 06:18:45 PM
Just got the game for the xbox today and have been having a bit of fun.

It is not a sim at all! But i was surprised how much fun it actually was despite the bad physics.

The game looks very nice and despite a little few bikes (2016 bikes only) and few tracks, i think you can still get a few hours out of it.

But at times the physics can be really a pain in the ass! The rear will spins out very oddly and especially under braking, you will have a lot of very weird rear wheel spins.
Also over bumps, if you go a bit fast or sideways, the bike will spin out of control.

But yeah, bad physics, good looking game and you can have some fun with it. Takes a bit of time to get used to the way the bike rides.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on March 06, 2018, 06:23:20 PM
Quote from: Meyer#12 on March 06, 2018, 06:18:45 PM
Just got the game for the xbox today and have been having a bit of fun.

It is not a sim at all! But i was surprised how much fun it actually was despite the bad physics.

The game looks very nice and despite a little few bikes (2016 bikes only) and few tracks, i think you can still get a few hours out of it.

But at times the physics can be really a pain in the ass! The rear will spins out very oddly and especially under braking, you will have a lot of very weird rear wheel spins.
Also over bumps, if you go a bit fast or sideways, the bike will spin out of control.

But yeah, bad physics, good looking game and you can have some fun with it. Takes a bit of time to get used to the way the bike rides.

Thx for the quick review. Lets see how this game develops over time and if they adjust the physiks :D

MCF
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Meyer#12 on March 06, 2018, 06:27:27 PM
Really hope for some adjustment! They have just posted on facebook that sidecars will come as a free DLC in may.

Let's see what happens!
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: h106frp on March 06, 2018, 07:08:56 PM
To be honest, from the vids I cannot see any physics whatsoever to fix. Bike just appears to follow the terrain with some pre-rendered animations for certain steering/speed combinations
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Meyer#12 on March 06, 2018, 07:59:06 PM
Quote from: h106frp on March 06, 2018, 07:08:56 PM
To be honest, from the vids I cannot see any physics whatsoever to fix. Bike just appears to follow the terrain with some pre-rendered animations for certain steering/speed combinations

It feels a little better to play than to look at, but yeah, you are right, it feels like the wheels are in line all the time and when you slide, it is both wheels sliding etc. at points it feels horrible!

it is even worse handling than any of the milestone games, but you can still have fun, i wonder if it will get boring after 10, 20, 50 or how many hours it will take lol
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: davidboda46 on March 07, 2018, 03:41:20 PM
Checked out some reviews, and they all (even the positive ones) pretty much confirmed my fears, nice track, everything else shit. Positive reviews mostly come from people who don't ride bikes in real life and think that Milestone Games are sim racing games. It's sad that the game isn't good, because from the in-game footage the track, the foliage, the sense of speed and the lighting looks really nice.

I've only seen PS4/Xbox reviews (pc isn't out yet) but I doubt that things will be different on the PC version. From what I've seen and read:

* There is no custom control options, can't even adjust sensitivity.   
* No real time weather effects, only three different pre-set conditions to choose from.
* I doubt that the track surface is dynamic... (don't know for sure)
* The bike seem to have a mind of it's own when exiting slow turns. From footage it looks like it doesn't want to stand up, just stays at max lean and follows a curved path into the wall/post/fence or whatever.
* There seem to be no feeling of what the tires are doing, no sense of rear spinning little or a a lot and so on.
* 1st person view static like a stick stuck on a roller coaster. Rider head movement is non existing. No look-to-apex.
* In 3rd person view the rider is twitchy like an epileptic dope head on amphetamine. It sort of looks like when people try to play a racing game with a keyboard.

The dream would be to just rip the track to GP-Bikes (I don't recommend or condone stealing other games intellectual property in general, hence "dream"), but as others in this forum also have said, GP-Bikes would not be able to handle a track of that size in the games current state...

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Meyer#12 on March 07, 2018, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: davidboda46 on March 07, 2018, 03:41:20 PM
Checked out some reviews, and they all (even the positive ones) pretty much confirmed my fears, nice track, everything else shit. Positive reviews mostly come from people who don't ride bikes in real life and think that Milestone Games are sim racing games. It's sad that the game isn't good, because from the in-game footage the track, the foliage, the sense of speed and the lighting looks really nice.

I've only seen PS4/Xbox reviews (pc isn't out yet) but I doubt that things will be different on the PC version. From what I've seen and read:

* There is no custom control options, can't even adjust sensitivity.   
* No real time weather effects, only three different pre-set conditions to choose from.
* I doubt that the track surface is dynamic... (don't know for sure)
* The bike seem to have a mind of it's own when exiting slow turns. From footage it looks like it doesn't want to stand up, just stays at max lean and follows a curved path into the wall/post/fence or whatever.
* There seem to be no feeling of what the tires are doing, no sense of rear spinning little or a a lot and so on.
* 1st person view static like a stick stuck on a roller coaster. Rider head movement is non existing. No look-to-apex.
* In 3rd person view the rider is twitchy like an epileptic dope head on amphetamine. It sort of looks like when people try to play a racing game with a keyboard.

The dream would be to just rip the track to GP-Bikes (I don't recommend or condone stealing other games intellectual property in general, hence "dream"), but as others in this forum also have said, GP-Bikes would not be able to handle a track of that size in the games current state...

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46

Pretty much it!
Got the game and spend some hours in it. Fun but nowhere a sim or even simcade game.

My worry is how long it will stay fun, i don't think it is a game you want to spend hours and hours in.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: JamoZ on March 07, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
Quote from: davidboda46 on March 07, 2018, 03:41:20 PM
Checked out some reviews, and they all (even the positive ones) pretty much confirmed my fears, nice track, everything else shit. Positive reviews mostly come from people who don't ride bikes in real life and think that Milestone Games are sim racing games. It's sad that the game isn't good, because from the in-game footage the track, the foliage, the sense of speed and the lighting looks really nice.

I've only seen PS4/Xbox reviews (pc isn't out yet) but I doubt that things will be different on the PC version. From what I've seen and read:

* There is no custom control options, can't even adjust sensitivity.   
* No real time weather effects, only three different pre-set conditions to choose from.
* I doubt that the track surface is dynamic... (don't know for sure)
* The bike seem to have a mind of it's own when exiting slow turns. From footage it looks like it doesn't want to stand up, just stays at max lean and follows a curved path into the wall/post/fence or whatever.
* There seem to be no feeling of what the tires are doing, no sense of rear spinning little or a a lot and so on.
* 1st person view static like a stick stuck on a roller coaster. Rider head movement is non existing. No look-to-apex.
* In 3rd person view the rider is twitchy like an epileptic dope head on amphetamine. It sort of looks like when people try to play a racing game with a keyboard.

The dream would be to just rip the track to GP-Bikes (I don't recommend or condone stealing other games intellectual property in general, hence "dream"), but as others in this forum also have said, GP-Bikes would not be able to handle a track of that size in the games current state...

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46

Don`t forget the horrible sounds...i have heard ps1 games with more realistic bike sounds...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Donnie on March 07, 2018, 10:36:28 PM
Don't wast your money. Garbage.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on March 07, 2018, 11:12:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/v/0pvZeVo1iuo
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: h106frp on March 07, 2018, 11:20:34 PM
Looks like an armed robbery in progress  ;)

Another horriible canned animation - why cant you just ride in and out of your pit station? Pit lane penalties also add a bit of drama to many TT's
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on March 07, 2018, 11:21:06 PM

Spooky crew ! And still no umbrella girls.

P.S.
Nice signature PiBoSo :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 07, 2018, 11:25:03 PM
there is option look into apex. Its in dynamic view option. Anyway the camera pointing the view into apex slides like in a movie what is annoying.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Manu on March 08, 2018, 02:15:02 AM
TT: GLOBAL OFFENSIVE  ;D

(https://s14.postimg.org/h2j0fni4h/TT_GLOBAL_OFFENSIVE.png)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Warlock on March 08, 2018, 04:11:08 AM
Quote from: Manu on March 08, 2018, 02:15:02 AM
TT: GLOBAL OFFENSIVE  ;D

(https://s14.postimg.org/h2j0fni4h/TT_GLOBAL_OFFENSIVE.png)

LOL  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on March 08, 2018, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Manu on March 08, 2018, 02:15:02 AM
TT: GLOBAL OFFENSIVE  ;D

(https://s14.postimg.org/h2j0fni4h/TT_GLOBAL_OFFENSIVE.png)

The meme level is over 9000 ;D

MCF
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on March 09, 2018, 05:19:42 AM
ROFL!! Love it Manu! ;D ;D

Quote from: HornetMaX on March 07, 2018, 11:21:06 PM

Spooky crew ! And still no umbrella girls.

P.S.
Nice signature PiBoSo
:)

Love the new signature too Piboso!  Nice one! Lol! ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 09, 2018, 05:48:16 PM
Sweet jesus what the Hell is that!?!

Realistic pit stop simulation :P
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on March 09, 2018, 06:20:22 PM
My crew had that absent stare, I'd get off the bike pronto :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: PiBoSo on March 13, 2018, 10:48:23 PM

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-03-13-uk-charts-gta-v-beats-tt-isle-of-man-racing-games

Oh, the humanity!
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 14, 2018, 10:00:24 AM
Wow nice! Surprisingly nice...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: TimboC137 on March 14, 2018, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: KG_03 on March 14, 2018, 10:00:24 AM
Wow nice! Surprisingly nice...

Nice for everybody except the sim racer  :-[
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on March 14, 2018, 10:50:17 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on March 13, 2018, 10:48:23 PM

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-03-13-uk-charts-gta-v-beats-tt-isle-of-man-racing-games

Oh, the humanity!

Just goes to show how much pure eye-candy sells games..... Maybe part-lessons to be learned?  :)

But if we could have a bike racing sim with Piboso's physics and superb eye-candy then Piboso will crack huge sales for sure..... That's unless most consider realistic simulation as just too hard to master and just want a bike racing game they can turn on and get straight into..... This seems to be a growing attitude especially amongst the youngsters nowadays; they want the benefits of everything without putting in the work and effort to achieve anything..... sad state of affairs.... Just a growing lazy attitude amongst the youngsters of today in my opinion.... same as it tends to be the youngster gamers who seek out cheats and walk-throughs for games and then declare themselves a great gamer... They appear to have no concept of honour or what cheating is, and certainly don't have any concept of fulfilment in achieving anything through hard work and practice.... What a joke they are!  ::)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Reactive on March 15, 2018, 07:48:15 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on March 13, 2018, 10:48:23 PM
Oh, the humanity!

The reality you mean?
How many armored phones w big batteries are sold, compare to thin smartphones, wich lives 1-2 days wo recharging? Same w other products w narrow markets, nothing surprising, imo  :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 15, 2018, 10:53:32 PM
Today the developers wrote on facebook that they are aware of all feedback and plan to release the patches in close future.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: poumpouny on March 16, 2018, 11:31:27 AM
You cannot avoid the eye candy side Mr Pib, the perfect exemple is Rfactor 2, no matter how good physics they have, the reality forced then to spend lot of develloping time porting it to DX 11 and all the candy eye stuff. And the result is that RF2, wich everybody think was dead, re-start selling right now ......
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on March 16, 2018, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: poumpouny on March 16, 2018, 11:31:27 AM
You cannot avoid the eye candy side Mr Pib, the perfect exemple is Rfactor 2, no matter how good physics they have, the reality forced then to spend lot of develloping time porting it to DX 11 and all the candy eye stuff. And the result is that RF2, wich everybody think was dead, re-start selling right now ......

+1 on that..... RF2 is reborn now they have worked on the DX11 development and eye-candy stuff and is continually getting better and better with very regular updates..... No doubt now that with it's renowned physics simulation and now the addition of the eye candy RF2 is the best car racing sim out there for sure!

Studio 397 are doing a brilliant job with RF2! ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 22, 2018, 01:11:09 PM
So Mike SimUK has PC version and we got Hs3 working with x360ce but still need to go to Mikes and set it up right as he has some problems.

Me, I only got XBone version and could not wait for my PC version so bought a POWERA Fusion XBone wired controller and desollder gun. On first quick test with just throttle, steering and hydraulic front brake was okay but there is a massive deadzone hard programmed into the board that ruins it, still far better than a gamepad but hey

I was the first to ride XBone in TT IOM with a real controller woohoo

Need to concider getting the cronusmax plus again after I just sent it back as I think it could cure it and mean it would work on any console.

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 22, 2018, 01:41:29 PM
So we can expect a SimUK review very soon? I hope that the release date on steam will be 27th marcz bcs I plan to take a day off at work to play all day :-D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 22, 2018, 02:46:53 PM
I think Mike is posting youtubes later today with and without Hs3

EDIT He has some up now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeQyBs2dv4qfnQVZU8Piphg (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeQyBs2dv4qfnQVZU8Piphg)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 22, 2018, 03:08:04 PM
WOW THANK YOU ! :D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 22, 2018, 08:45:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/Np_NiKtOexI

Honestly, is it only me that is really bothered by the sound of this game?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 22, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
I have watched SimUK viedos and I have a feeling the sounds are better in PC version.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 27, 2018, 10:23:55 AM
TODAY IS THE DAY! THE GAME IS RELEASED. I cant wait to go back home and play it.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 27, 2018, 12:09:56 PM
Got it intalled on PC and Xbone now...........used Hs3 wired into a PowerA Fusion Xbone controller for throttle, front brake and steering and works in both woohoo. Need to do lots more work on this version but PC is georgous at highest settings and first test were real fun. Shame there are no real physics for the bikes.

Videos comin soon lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: JohnnoNinja on March 27, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Looking forward to a kind of "review"... :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 27, 2018, 05:31:44 PM
How long till it gets cracked :P

Don't want to buy a turd rolled in glitter ;)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: janaucarre on March 27, 2018, 05:33:14 PM
Already done
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 27, 2018, 05:44:31 PM
Shit really?!?!

Man people are fast... :o

£19.99 on cd keys for the cheapskats who wont nick the game :P

(https://i.imgur.com/VwtLOsj.png?1)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 27, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
Bollocks matty I had to pay 20.49..................bastards and yes same company, did you kiss someones bottom lol

Jokes aside it will be a good game soon..................................I know something you dont nanananananana

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 27, 2018, 07:08:09 PM
someones managed to rip the track ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: JamoZ on March 27, 2018, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on March 27, 2018, 05:44:31 PM
Shit really?!?!

Man people are fast... :o

£19.99 on cd keys for the cheapskats who wont nick the game :P

(https://i.imgur.com/VwtLOsj.png?1)

Oh boy are you going to regret that purchase. I uninstalled it after 5 minutes. Even Motoracer 1 on the PSX had better sounds and physics  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 27, 2018, 07:31:51 PM
Well...

I spent more time in the menu than i have on track

Oh god...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: davidboda46 on March 27, 2018, 11:59:38 PM
Just tried the game and the only thing I have to say is: what a waste of a beautiful track. Honestly, I rather walk around it in-game than "ride" one of those bikes... cause they don't behave like bikes! Touch the front brake = bike goes of into a tree, lean over in a tight turn, good luck straightening the thing up, meaning = bike goes off into a wall... and so on... Also, I don't have a rear brake, instead it's the clutch (that isn't even on the control scheme), or does the rider automatically pull the clutch when you use the rear brake?! I have no idea... unless it is because I have a "special" version of the game... and to be honest, I would not trade a single pubic hair for it... fuck this pisses me off, cause as I said, the track itself is fucking gorgeous and the sense of speed is great... too bad that everything else is shite... [EDIT] Figured out the rear brake thing... apparently you can't use it at the same time as the throttle!!! What the hell! Have they never heard of keeping the front down with the rear brake, or dragging the rear brake to tighten the turn?!!! Have these people ever ridden a motorcycle!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46 
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on March 28, 2018, 06:25:55 AM
Quote from: davidboda46 on March 27, 2018, 11:59:38 PM
[EDIT] Figured out the rear brake thing... apparently you can't use it at the same time as the throttle!!! What the hell! Have they never heard of keeping the front down with the rear brake, or dragging the rear brake to tighten the turn?!!! Have these people ever ridden a motorcycle!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46

Nope, bcs the Suter SHOOTS FLAMES out of 2 or 1 EXHAUSTS. I watched some video from ROBO46 and it looks really bad. Oh, btw., if you are luck like ROBO, you might race 5 times in a row on the same track. Well, this would not be an issue, if there were more than like 7 tracks in the game ;D . Well, since y'all say that the game is BS, I am proud of myself that I stopped preordering games and did not buy the game :P

Maybe you can get a refund or so :)

MCF
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on March 28, 2018, 06:37:12 AM
Quote from: davidboda46 on March 27, 2018, 11:59:38 PM
[EDIT] Figured out the rear brake thing... apparently you can't use it at the same time as the throttle!!! What the hell! Have they never heard of keeping the front down with the rear brake, or dragging the rear brake to tighten the turn?!!! Have these people ever ridden a motorcycle!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!

I'm surprised you need to ask :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Blackheart on March 28, 2018, 08:04:14 AM
Tried this game yesterday for about 1 hour.

Positive

- The IOM track is amazing.
- Great speed sensation.
- I like it very much... the windshield of the bikes, I will do something similar in GP Bikes.  :P

Negative

- Phisics very arcade.
- AI nonsense, they are killers and idiots.
- The sounds... above all; collision sounds, no words.
- Bike models and dashboards, low quality for a 2018 game.
- Third person views are useless... and awful, never see nothing like that.
- HUD just ugly.

My opinion:

It's definitely not a good game. But... I recommend everyone to try it.  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Reactive on March 28, 2018, 08:09:59 AM
I bought that game at least to support developing motorcycle games. Yes, handling even worse than Milestone`s, but i`ll try to live with it, while saving some money for DD's HS :D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Wimp #97 on March 28, 2018, 09:22:37 AM
I'll first try it while having my pirate costume on, if you know what i mean  ::) :-X
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 28, 2018, 10:22:37 AM
I really hope 'motorcycle enthusiasts' are buying the game to support the genre. No money means no development and more abandoned projects.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 28, 2018, 10:52:04 AM
 Well in steam platform you can buy the game and try it for 2 hours if you dont like it you can refund it. I really dont understand why people dont see a difference between stealing someones work and stealing a game from a shop.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 28, 2018, 10:55:21 AM
+1
Yet they spend £5 on a cup of coffee robbing themselves quite happily.

Mind you Steam is £15 more! Wtf.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Wimp #97 on March 28, 2018, 11:09:42 AM
Don't get me wrong, if i like it, i'll buy it for sure. Just wanna test it first and the 2 hours refund sometimes is quite short.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Stout Johnson on March 28, 2018, 11:40:53 AM
Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 28, 2018, 10:22:37 AM
I really hope 'motorcycle enthusiasts' are buying the game to support the genre. No money means no development and more abandoned projects.
I see your point, but in a free market sales are the collective customers demand. So according to your rationale the sales/demand would be biased and companies creating new software in that genre would be even more under the impression that customers want zero physics and only care about visuals. Well in fact many do  ::)  but it would be better if the ratio of sales arcade to sim would be 3:1 instead of 10:1. ;)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 28, 2018, 01:34:04 PM
@Stouty Stouty Stout Stout. ;D

I was talking (subtly so not to upset anyone) about stealing the game. I have this old-days dreamy hope that motorcycle enthusiasts are a cut above the general rat race and stick together like brothers.  Back in the day blah blah. Piboso and PigPen smashing beers together etc.

If you did in fact, see my point, your reply means you agree it should be stolen not bought haha! Some might agree it's so bad it shouldn't be paid for lol. I think you did not see it really.

Subtlety in a multi racial forum is right up there with irony. Dangerous in the wrong hands hehe  ;)

However, I'm still mentally wrestling your point. Will no sales make them think 'damn we need to add physics cos nobody is buying it' or will they think 'it was a crazy idea there is no market, let's make a car game'.

Actually I think PigPen might think the former judging by the changes they made before release on the back of feedback. Let's hope so.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Stout Johnson on March 28, 2018, 02:22:04 PM
@Palmy Palmy Nick Nick :P

Sorry, I did not see your reference was only 'better buy than steal'. I agree with that ofc. Stealing should not be an option.  :)

Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 28, 2018, 01:34:04 PM
However, I'm still mentally wrestling your point. Will no sales make them think 'damn we need to add physics cos nobody is buying it' or will they think 'it was a crazy idea there is no market, let's make a car game'.
Well ofc some will go and make a different kind of game. Those are out of the picture anyhow. But those which decide to make sth in the motorcycle genre, will be more likely to go into the sim direction. That's the whole point... And un-debatable  *wink* *wink* ;D

Having arcade games like that TT game for me is like having no new game at all. For me it just is not on the radar. For me it is as enticing to buy it as it is to buy a bag of hair curlers...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on March 28, 2018, 03:39:28 PM
Well personally I think those that buy games to support developers in a particular genre are idiots if the developer produces a crap product.... and lets face it, as far as sim fans are concerned the I.O.M. TT game just released by Big Ben is total shyiit for a sim!! Looks great! But total shyiiit... it doesn't come anywhere close to a simulation!!  ::) ???

If your going to support a developer for creating bike sims then at least support a good one so we don't keep getting all this arcade/sim crap from the likes of Milestone and Big Ben!! Don't buy and hopefully those companies will die a quick and painful death. Lol! Woohooo!  ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8) 8)

We need more expressive emoji's here please Pib!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on March 28, 2018, 03:48:43 PM
It isnt that bad... im actually enjoying the challenge lol handling is a bit strange but im getting used to it..

https://youtu.be/9w8saDwVL0w
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on March 28, 2018, 04:09:00 PM
Quote from: Hawk on March 28, 2018, 03:39:28 PM

We need more expressive emoji's here please Pib!  ;) ;D

(https://s31.postimg.org/qxro94kp7/wtf.jpg)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on March 28, 2018, 04:14:43 PM
ROFL!! Good start Nick!  ;D ;D

@Bob: Very nice video mate!  ;D
But surely you can't be saying the physics are anywhere near even good? And if you play it long enough then of course you will start getting used to the poor physics, but getting used to terrible physics will never make it a good game. Lol.  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Grooveski on March 28, 2018, 04:41:44 PM
If the onboard camera had more of a helmetcam vibe instead of being a tilting tankcam I'd maybe forgive the magic carpet physics and play it some more.
...but then if a helmetcam was attached to that twichy rider it'd do your head in.   :P

Track is soooo nice it hurts that I'll likely never want to play it again.  :(
Will no doubt have another spin to have a good look at the model - out of curiosity as a modder...  (seeing Project Cars 2 version of Knockhill showed me I've a lot to learn when it comes to skinning)
...but I reckon that's it for TT Isle of Man.  One lap.   ::)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on March 28, 2018, 04:47:48 PM
Yeah its no bike physics sim. no bike setup or anything... but its playable.. im enjoying trying to be smooth and learn the track to do a proper lap  ;D its not easy at all lol.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 28, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on March 28, 2018, 03:48:43 PM
It isnt that bad... im actually enjoying the challenge lol handling is a bit strange but im getting used to it..

https://youtu.be/9w8saDwVL0w

Go BOBPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!

Great video m8 thank you

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on March 28, 2018, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Grooveski on March 28, 2018, 04:41:44 PM
I'd maybe forgive the magic carpet physics

Lol !! Best definition ever.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on March 29, 2018, 06:55:51 AM
I really really do not understand that kind of thinking:
"I will steal the game because it sucks". Someone spent one year or more in his work, giving up family life to have money for living and someone without respect steals the game because it sucks. This world will never be right when people think that way. The game is not perfect physics are bad but its not a reason to shit on developers. Talking to some people: how would you feel if a customer or person came to you and say "your work is shit and I wont pay you because i dont ;ike your result"
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Blackheart on March 29, 2018, 07:04:12 AM
Quote from: KG_03 on March 29, 2018, 06:55:51 AM
I really really do not understand that kind of thinking:
"I will steal the game because it sucks". Someone spent one year or more in his work, giving up family life to have money for living and someone without respect steals the game because it sucks. This world will never be right when people think that way. The game is not perfect physics are bad but its not a reason to shit on developers. Talking to some people: how would you feel if a customer or person came to you and say "your work is shit and I wont pay you because i dont ;ike your result"

The "people" take the game free for try it, ok 2 hours with steam? no thx.


The game is not optimized well, so my PC can't run smooth to 60fps, so i dont buy it. But I've deleted this, in the past I have bought any single Milestone game because are arcade but good games. This one is just bad.

And i never named these games "crap" because im not a idiot, i know how much work there is behind these games.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Stout Johnson on March 29, 2018, 07:26:54 AM
Quote from: KG_03 on March 29, 2018, 06:55:51 AM
I really really do not understand that kind of thinking:
"I will steal the game because it sucks". Someone spent one year or more in his work, giving up family life to have money for living and someone without respect steals the game because it sucks.
I can second that. It is totally anti-social behaviour. I reckon the anonymity of the stealing and also of the one's that did the hard work contributes to that. But still it is stealing. It clearly shows lack of empathy or intellect (or both).

Quote from: KG_03 on March 29, 2018, 06:55:51 AM
This world will never be right when people think that way.
Well, sorry to break it to you. There will always be stupid people wandering this beautiful planet.  ;)  One just has to accept it: As long as humans are on this planet there will be wonderful people, but also always be stupid people. It has always been like that. There's a wide spectrum. Don't let your time on earth be any less enjoyable because of that.

Quote from: Blackheart on March 29, 2018, 07:04:12 AM
The "people" take the game free for try it, ok 2 hours with steam? no thx.
That's bullshit and only an excuse for yourself to justify. I have always been able to tell within 30 mins whether a game is worth it or not. The only game genre where I could understand that 2 hours might not sufficient are adventure or other games which have a story behind them. The reason you think 2 hours are not sufficient is because you probably like the game, but you do not like it 100%. But that does not entitle you to steal it. You have to decide for yourself whether this mediocre game which probably offers 10hrs of entertainment for you until you are fed up with it (then you probably randomly play it twice a year) is worth the amount they want you to pay for it. If not don't buy it. Or you can also always wait until it gets cheaper and might better fit what it is worth to you. But stealing is just weak.

If I want a coffee and I see that the coffee-to-go is priced at 2,50 Euro I have to decide for myself whether that is worth it for me. Steam is generous, they even offer you to take a sip from the coffee before you decide whether to buy or not. But you just can't steal the coffee if you are a grown-up man. Take responsibility. Simple as that.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Blackheart on March 29, 2018, 07:46:53 AM
Quote from: Stout Johnson on March 29, 2018, 07:26:54 AM
Quote from: Blackheart on March 29, 2018, 07:04:12 AM
The "people" take the game free for try it, ok 2 hours with steam? no thx.
That's bullshit and only an excuse for yourself to justify. I have always been able to tell within 30 mins whether a game is worth it or not. The only game genre where I could understand that 2 hours might not sufficient are adventure or other games which have a story behind them. The reason you think 2 hours are not sufficient is because you probably like the game, but you do not like it 100%. But that does not entitle you to steal it. You have to decide for yourself whether this mediocre game which probably offers 10hrs of entertainment for you until you are fed up with it (then you probably randomly play it twice a year) is worth the amount they want you to pay for it. If not you can also always wait until it gets cheaper and might better fit what it is worth to you. But stealing is just weak.

10 hrs? After 1 hour deleted. For test the game on Steam i need buy it with my card, if I haven't money in the prepaid card in that moment. I prefer download the torrent for try it, what is the problem?  ???



Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on March 29, 2018, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: HornetMaX on March 28, 2018, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Grooveski on March 28, 2018, 04:41:44 PM
I'd maybe forgive the magic carpet physics

Lol !! Best definition ever.

Totally agree Max! Lol!  ;D

"Magic carpet physics".... Love that expression Groove! ROFL!! ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: janaucarre on March 29, 2018, 08:29:11 AM
Hi,
Tested this game on one lap with sbk.
Nice feeeling with the bike, a bit more than 30 minutes to close the lap.
The braking is very bad, no analogical rear brake, beurk.
But right left steering is better than other bikes games tested during years, except gpbikes hehe.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on March 29, 2018, 10:19:14 AM
I get a similar feeling Jana

The breaks are terrible (ive never seen a bike go broadside when breaking before :P )

And i dont know if its just me but the input lag seem horrendus. A carrier pidgeon would get tbe inputs there quicker

GPB has been spoiling us for to long. I have a renew respect for how well GPB does its handeling even though it is still a bitt biggy ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: -aGy- on March 29, 2018, 10:25:51 AM
nice game i dont have any issues with brakes anymore and no input lag. default cockpit view maybe too high so i use joysticks slider to adjust camera. i use dfgt
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Grooveski on March 29, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on March 29, 2018, 10:19:14 AM
GPB has been spoiling us for to long.

Not just GPB - Tourist Trophy, GP500, SBK 2001, Test Drive, even Jester's TT game(for all it was a barely controllable wheelie-fest)....

Loads of folk have managed to keep it a game while still making it feel like there was a bike under you. 
...and I don't remember hordes of folk all saying what they'd prefer is an oversimplified affair where you could brake 50m too late, slam it into a corner any-old-how, bounce off a couple of other riders and maybe a wall or two and be spat out the corner exit leading the pack.
....but over the years that's the direction the companies making them have gone.
It's a mystery to me, I don't get it at all.   ???

Read somewhere that BigBen are also doing the new Test Drive(3).  When I first heard I thought "hope this one has bikes again" but having tried TT IOM I can't say I'm fussed if they bother or not.  If it didn't even match the feel of the original version it'd just be depressing.
I'm not saying the original version was any kind of work of art by-the-way - but the bikes felt a bit bikey, crashed like bikes, wobbled and shook in the right kind of way...

Manu's original Moto2 set would make an awesome base for an arcada game.  ;D  Let you away with murder but being GPB you still had the all the right sensations going on underneath you.
Like everyone else I much prefer it now after the updates but first time out at Phillip Island I remember thinking "if only GTA and the likes felt like this...."
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on March 30, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
Physics is the most regrettable thing I've tried for 2 decades.

I just like the lighting, the TT circuit and the sound of the explosions, the rest is garbage
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: TimboC137 on March 31, 2018, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: Grooveski on March 29, 2018, 03:34:52 PM

Manu's original Moto2 set would make an awesome base for an arcada game.  ;D  Let you away with murder but being GPB you still had the all the right sensations going on underneath you.
Like everyone else I much prefer it now after the updates but first time out at Phillip Island I remember thinking "if only GTA and the likes felt like this...."

i gotta admit, i thought this as well. i also think those bikes would be perfect for the demo. it would draw so many non sim players in.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on April 01, 2018, 08:54:50 AM
I totally sunk into IoM TT world. I would say this game is so immersive thanks to graphics, sounds and nice onboard camera. Unfortunately the rear wheel physics and some some lacks in animations destroys the overall feeling.

Nice that I can play with some of the GP Bikes players and play again with old friends :-)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: connorhall70 on April 01, 2018, 04:52:15 PM
how do u deal with the bike flying off in a different direction when you brake? its so fucked?!
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on April 01, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
Yeah its a problem widely discussed on the steam forums.... unfortuantely this thing is caused by weird simulation of rear tyre grip loss. Once rear loose grip nothing not much can be one. So the best way is not allow this thing to happen. If you go too fast better start braking earlier and slightly, move weight backward, otherwise the rear tire will rise up hita bump and cause imidiate crash. If you go slow and rear will loose grip the only way to save it is to add throttle move weight backward and try to countersteer it.

Yes the rear slide is so stupid because there is no proper simulation. In Ride games or gp bikes once rear is sliding out you can countersteer with handelbar and manage to handle the slide. In IoM TT the front tire is always set in the long axis of the bike and you steer the bike only by leaning it, so even if you lean the bike the oposite direction of the slide, front tire is still pointing forward thats why you will almost never manage the slideout. Its a big shame.

We will see how developers will react to that claims. Will they do anything? Unfortunately this might be hard because it needs lots of work and the end result can be worse or turn the game into 100% arcade racer what will be even worse :-( I am very unhappy with the rear behaviour as I think that in real life some of the slides can be saved by countersteering with handlebar and proper throttle management whats not possible in this game what drives me crazy.

They need to improve even more things like rider weight balance visualiastion, change of the camera height during braking, maybe add a feedback to the front tire when its loosing grip like in Ride games (currently the only vibration comes from livery and bumps), also multiplayer is crashing in some situations or the options do not save what was chosen. Fortunately they announced that they will work and release some patches along with Sidecar DLC. We will see...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: -aGy- on April 02, 2018, 04:21:22 AM
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 01, 2018, 04:52:15 PM
how do u deal with the bike flying off in a different direction when you brake? its so fucked?!

dont brake so hard :o
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Pkha on April 02, 2018, 06:37:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onJkq433Og4&  :( >:(
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on April 02, 2018, 06:48:52 PM
I wonder if Piboso has ever thought of offering his physics engine under license to the likes of Milestone and Big Ben and other companies that make bike racing games?

Seems to me that these companies either purposely create arcade physics or just are not willing to put in the investment in time and cost to fully develop a realistic physics engine for bikes? The marriage of Piboso's physics engine with these games would be perfect in my opinion! ;D 8)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: HornetMaX on April 02, 2018, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: Hawk on April 02, 2018, 06:48:52 PM
I wonder if Piboso has ever thought of offering his physics engine under license to the likes of Milestone and Big Ben and other companies that make bike racing games?

Seems to me that these companies either purposely create arcade physics or just are not willing to put in the investment in time and cost to fully develop a realistic physics engine for bikes?
Both.
Last time PiBoSo said a word about that, he said at least one of the guys working at Bilestone is more than capable of creating a proper simulator.

This is the point: they do not want to create a proper sim. They want somethig that sells, year over year, wiht minimal investment. From that point of view, they seem to be rather sucessful. They have no competition.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on April 02, 2018, 07:16:51 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on April 02, 2018, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: Hawk on April 02, 2018, 06:48:52 PM
I wonder if Piboso has ever thought of offering his physics engine under license to the likes of Milestone and Big Ben and other companies that make bike racing games?

Seems to me that these companies either purposely create arcade physics or just are not willing to put in the investment in time and cost to fully develop a realistic physics engine for bikes?
Both.
Last time PiBoSo said a word about that, he said at least one of the guys working at Bilestone is more than capable of creating a proper simulator.

This is the point: they do not want to create a proper sim. They want somethig that sells, year over year, wiht minimal investment. From that point of view, they seem to be rather sucessful. They have no competition.

The nasty laws of marketing, eh........ Always build products for the mass of lazy b*stards who just want to jump straight into a game and feel like they are "Kenny Roberts" or Barry Sheene"(still in 70's/80's era here. Lol! ;D) without having to put in any effort or having any real talent, but in reality they couldn't ride jack-sh*t. Lol! ;D

When we realise that this is their agenda, this is what makes me sick when "Dorna" go down the route of supporting Milestones MotoGP game as the foundation for their eSport aspirations.... Just sickens me...  ??? :( :'(

PS: We need more expressive "emoji's" Pib... Please!  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Warlock on April 02, 2018, 08:48:14 PM
Quote from: Hawk on April 02, 2018, 07:16:51 PM
PS: We need more expressive "emoji's" Pib... Please!  ;D

Yes, a puke one  ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on April 03, 2018, 08:10:49 AM
Unfortunately its just how the world lookslike. A run to the deadline earn money and start new project. Not sure if anyone of you have seen a big argue with Milestone Community Manager on Steam forums, anyway the dont care at all about suggestions, the lead designer is a guy who has no idea about motorcycle games and they have a short deadlines. Thats why they dont core about quality products and Dorna chose them because they have the biggest experience in creating motorcycle games - they work on them since 2008 as far as I know.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Reactive on April 03, 2018, 09:12:46 AM
Quote from: Pkha on April 02, 2018, 06:37:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onJkq433Og4&  :( >:(

And what exactly makes u angry?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: JohnnoNinja on April 06, 2018, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 27, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
Jokes aside it will be a good game soon..................................I know something you dont nanananananana

DD

I'm curieus... :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on April 06, 2018, 10:10:36 PM
WUT !? I have missed something !?
DD are you talking about IoM TT or different game?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 07, 2018, 10:15:38 AM
TT IOM KG

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on April 07, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
And you wont tell us even a small thing what will it be?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on April 07, 2018, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: KG_03 on April 07, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
And you wont tell us even a small thing what will it be?

It's probably a physics update, but even if it is, it remains to be seen how good an update that will be.... Personally I have my doubts whether the physics for the TT game will ever be any good whatsoever.... certainly not up to Piboso GPBike standards anyway. :)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on April 08, 2018, 10:36:55 AM
I have revised my thinking about physics for commercial games like Ride or TT. They cant be as accurate as in GP Bikes because they would be much more difficult and many people could resign. ANyway more upgraded physics would be great but I worry that they can simplify it.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: h106frp on April 08, 2018, 11:01:34 AM
If you have believable physics its easy to add options to dumb it down, if you have useless physics its impossible to make them believable.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 08, 2018, 11:07:27 AM
Not about physics so much. More about input and something else. Said too much already lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on April 08, 2018, 07:30:40 PM
VR and direct steering 😀
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 08, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
Dude they dont even have analog rear break lmfao

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on April 08, 2018, 07:54:53 PM
I know, i really hope they will make sth about rear tire sliding out unclontrolled. I know there are people happy about it but I am no. Analogue stick would be nice too. Anyway I really like that the devs want to upgrade their game.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 09, 2018, 08:07:25 PM
I find having hydraulic brakes makes it better as I dont over brake. Still working things out but heres the first Xbox One/PC test with Hs3

https://www.youtube.com/v/9yPs_ZqwN2o

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: uberslug on April 09, 2018, 09:39:44 PM
One 'brakes' for a corner and one 'breaks' things by hitting them with hammers...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 10, 2018, 12:35:33 AM
LMAO Uberslug...............thanks m8 common error for me lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: uberslug on April 10, 2018, 01:30:34 AM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on April 10, 2018, 12:35:33 AM
LMAO Uberslug...............thanks m8 common error for me lol

DD

I am glad you took it the right way. All in good fun...
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 10, 2018, 08:47:32 AM
Its all done in the best possible taste lol

PC testing this week

DD

Edit....oh its got 3 wheels mum

Quoted by BigBin  "Do you sidecar? ;)
To follow up with good news, we are very happy to announce that sidecars will be available in May 2018!
Owners of the game will be able to download this DLC for free and discover a whole new experience, taking on the Snaefell Mountain Course in these unique vehicles."

We will have more details at a later date.


(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28699230_2027355734185106_4924308088127213197_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=737894a430f7de08797502e9d79f1605&oe=5B6C5D33)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 10, 2018, 09:30:29 AM
Oh yay. A vehical to suit the physics
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on April 10, 2018, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: matty0l215 on April 10, 2018, 09:30:29 AM
Oh yay. A vehical to suit the physics

Hardly. Lol.  ;D

If the physics for 3 wheels is as bad as the physics for 2 wheels in this I.O.M. TT Game then......  :-\ :(

But typical that they are not addressing the real issues before moving onto other things.... Reminiscent of a games company out to grab as much money as they can then abandon the game for 2018, then release a 2019 version and idiots will then buy this crap all over again! Some people are nutcases in keep on buying this kind of rubbish!! Lol! When will buyers learn that if you keep on buying crap then they will keep on producing crap!  ::) :P 
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 10, 2018, 10:20:36 AM
Gotta milk the cash cow for all its worth. It may not be there tommorow ;)

Well thats how most franchise games seem to go nowerdays
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on April 10, 2018, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: matty0l215 on April 10, 2018, 10:20:36 AM
Gotta milk the cash cow for all its worth. It may not be there tommorow ;)

Well thats how most franchise games seem to go nowerdays

Very true Matty....  ;)
But that only happens because people accept it and, then worse, keep on buying another version year after year! It's ridiculous! Lol! ;D
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 10, 2018, 10:44:42 AM
I have no choice I have to buy the games to test so customers know the Hs3 works in it. I still have fun though lol

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on April 10, 2018, 04:38:33 PM
Waheeyy sidecars  8) the games good. Its really difficult to get a clean lap in lol. Im having fun with it.. its the TT afterall.. no need to bash it too hard nobody else is making any effort towards road racing.  :-\
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Blackheart on April 10, 2018, 05:21:43 PM
If the bikes are shit... no hope for the sidecars.  :-\
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on April 10, 2018, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on April 10, 2018, 05:21:43 PM
If the bikes are shit... no hope for the sidecars.  :-\

+1 ;)
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on April 11, 2018, 09:03:17 PM
600s are good! Depends how you play and aproach the game.. in some ways they got it right with the bike handling.. if your on/off the throttle all the time over the crests and bumps you end up in the hedge lol. Gotta try and be smooth and flow through the corners and think about keeping your rythem and speed up. Anyway.. each to there own i guess
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: TimboC137 on April 11, 2018, 09:28:31 PM
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on April 11, 2018, 09:03:17 PM
600s are good! Depends how you play and aproach the game.. in some ways they got it right with the bike handling.. if your on/off the throttle all the time over the crests and bumps you end up in the hedge lol. Gotta try and be smooth and flow through the corners and think about keeping your rythem and speed up. Anyway.. each to there own i guess

I agree they got some things right with the handling. and how you gotta be smooth. It feels good to me, as long as the bike is under control. as soon as there's trouble, it feels unresponsive and unpredictable. still, i'm having a lot of fun, and it is a real challenge to learn the track. 
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: TimboC137 on April 11, 2018, 09:33:07 PM
I still can't do a clean lap >:( but i'm getting closer :D

http://youtube.com/v/sozj95CnzUk
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on June 07, 2018, 12:23:35 PM
Anyone still playing this?
Longevity check.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: TimboC137 on June 07, 2018, 12:49:19 PM
I still play. But much less (like gpbikes) since I'm very busy at work. Still mostly timetrials, since finding an online race is almost immpossible. I have never actually been able to find a race online, and have only tried online multiplayer by joining by invite 2 or 3 times. I've read at racedepartment that the consoles have many ppl online, but not on pc.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on June 07, 2018, 08:56:27 PM
I am currently at IoM TT. Im going back tommorow. But, what I can tell you in short words:
-the game perfectly simulates the thrill of the course. All the turns and bumps are really there.
-i was able to chat with mechanics. Riders do not use ABS or electronics even if they can because on such bumpy track its hard to perdict how the bike will behave with electronics truned on. Even ABS is off for all the bikes. Of course it can differ from the riders but thats what RAF Reserve team mechanic told me.
-bikes use full telemetry for the race
-i also talked to guys from electric bikes. Funny thing is that they cant do more that 1 lap bcs of battery capacity AND even if they could they wont be able to go to pits because of hight battery heat that could be hazardous for fuel stored in the tanks.
Once im back home I will play the game to enjoy the feeling of TT. Its really big shame that game wasted such a big potential. They could have improved some things and make it more realistic with few details. Instead of it the game is boring after some longer time.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Napalm Nick on June 07, 2018, 10:08:18 PM
Interesting stuff Timbo and KG  :)

Let's hope they keep developing the game.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Davide74 on June 18, 2018, 06:49:23 AM
What a penalty of unused license ..
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: grimm on October 13, 2018, 04:25:34 PM
With the recent sale on the title, and the fact Ride and Ride2 were okay to some extent, I reluctantly bought a copy of TT thinking it'll just be about the same, but actually have the IOM.  ::)

I've never requested a refund on steam until today. Started the game the first time and it stuttered constantly, dialed down the graphics considerably, tuned off vsync, still choppy but I got it to run somewhat okay. The physics, views, and overall feel of the game was arcade at best though. If it ran good enough to be pretty to look at, I can imagine why it's worth the money, but if you are looking for a good IOM TT racer, we're still left waiting.

Might repurchase if someone dials in a handling mod that gets it closer to RIDE2 in feel, but it otherwise feels as though it's a half baked game that should have been developed alot longer before release. The reviews reflected the same attitude RIDE received, so I gave it a shot, and it's by and far, way worse than RIDE could have ever been.  :-\
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on October 14, 2018, 07:56:02 AM
No doubt the game is beautiful and has many good aspects like fantastic tracks, nice sounds Unfortunately its a best example how not to make a game. Terrible physics tottaly ruined game experience. Lack of few animations (like wobble, front suspension compression or dynamic head movement depending on acceleration/braking)

Its a big shame that after years of complaining about Milestone it comes out that its the only company which is able to produce a decent motorcycle games with licenced tracks/motorcycles and events.

Ah and as for a mod for physics and handling, from what I have read at racingdepartment forums it is hard to exctract files from the game and to find proper physics code 😞 even if there was a mod, i think it will not allow people to play online.
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: JamoZ on October 14, 2018, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: KG_03 on October 14, 2018, 07:56:02 AM
nice sounds

U wot?
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: KG_03 on October 14, 2018, 08:05:18 PM
Yes...decent engine sounds, brakes and wind noises...its better than Ride 2
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: doubledragoncc on January 29, 2019, 09:33:46 PM
FINALLY!!!!

Got Steam controller setup working better and added a digital brakelight switch to rear brake as TT IOM demands a digital input for it. Now with the new steering damper mod, the sit-on system works sooooo much better and TT IOM is starting to be real fun. Damper allows adjustment while riding and also means it is adjustable for riders of different wieght as a bigger rider puts more pressure on the bars than a twig like me lol.

Still setting up in new place so had to use phone to record and ran out of space for full lap......coming soon as PC setup right.

https://www.youtube.com/v/Wf2D4Fm2p_Y&t=318s

Working on new sit-on fram design so is modular with the new motion platform I am working on too.

DD
Title: Re: TT game announced...
Post by: Hawk on January 29, 2019, 11:28:28 PM
Looking great DD! Well done mate, nice work! ;D 8)