Hi guy,
Right now I stopped the work to z1000 (probably will resume in the future...)
So now i want make new bikes set (90's... ::) ) and complete the NR750
I enjoy and want working just on the graphics. If someone wants to work with me, I need:
- 1 or more guys for phisics.
- 1 or more guys for engine.
- 1 or more guys for sounds .
Obviously the bikes during development will be only for members. If anyone is interested, write it below with the position he wants. Anyone is welcome. ;)
What! Why?
The Pre-alpha footage looks great!
Quote from: matty0l215 on May 15, 2016, 12:41:26 PM
What! Why?
The Pre-alpha footage looks great!
Yeah.... I'm with Matty on this one..... Sounds a strange decision Blacky considering what you've done so far with this bike and after all the trouble you went to with setting up a poll and everything for deciding on creating this bike? :-\
It was looking good mate! 8)
Hawk.
Because I do not enjoy much to working on it :-\, at the time I prefer make a bikes set that also includes the NR750 :P
P.S. But i dont delete the z1000 ;D
After the high quality of your NR750 that is in WIP and to such a high standard already bro, people would love this bike. Please reconsider and carry on with it.
It would have been the first real naked bike to this standard.
If I could I would jump in and help but I am no good at modelling unless its plastic kits lol
DD
EDIT Just read your last and you are right if it is no fun to work on. That is not what it is about. Do something you enjoy like CBR900RR....................oh did I just say that bike again ;D
DD
Im working also on the CBR900RR model for this "90's bikes set" ::)
You just made my day brighter Blacky...............
Great news
DD
Quote from: Blackheart on May 15, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
Im working also on the CBR900RR model for this "90's bikes set" ::)
What year? I'm absolutely infatuated with my '93, bought it in 2011, got rid of it twice, and it's back again in my shop, guessing this time it stays for good. ;D
2011:
(http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu175/RatFighter/WBRW%20Evo%20I/IMG_0221.jpg) (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/RatFighter/media/WBRW%20Evo%20I/IMG_0221.jpg.html)
2013:
(http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu175/RatFighter/WBRW%20Evo%20II/20140706_203616_zps94540e37.jpg) (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/RatFighter/media/WBRW%20Evo%20II/20140706_203616_zps94540e37.jpg.html)
Current day:
(http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu175/RatFighter/20160512_203858_zpsue9gujbz.jpeg) (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/RatFighter/media/20160512_203858_zpsue9gujbz.jpeg.html)
If you ever want a tester that has ridden the wheels off one in stock, mildly modified, and heavily modified form, I'm your test pilot! 8)
95' ;)
Nice bike! 8)
Before of the testers I need someone to work on the engine ;D
Hehe, I've got a '95 too, just doesn't have the 919cc engine that it originally came with. Looking for a Blackbird 1100 engine for it though.
I have done some engine curves on GP Bikes before, I could give it a shot and send over the file if you would like, would probably be based on one of the many dyno charts that are out there though, so it would probably be based on a slightly modified one (aftermarket jet kit, air filter, exhaust system) if I can't find a stock one to work from. ;)
Would be great ;)
The reference model was incomplete and very bad :'( so modeled from scratch the exhaust, windshield and other stuff... I need to model many other parts, so it will take a bit of time. :P
(http://i65.tinypic.com/5zjdqu.png)
Looking sweet Blacky,
I still think you should let me play with the Z1000 to shut me up though lol.
DD
If I had any skill I would help you in a heartbeat.
You only need two guys....
Engine is part of the physic ;)
IMO phisics and engine are 2 separate things, I can also do it all alone, but I quickly get bored. ::)
Quote from: Boerenlater on May 19, 2016, 05:17:05 PM
If I had any skill I would help you in a heartbeat.
Engine map how to-
- Stare at real bike dyno readout
- Replicate that in EngnED
- Change when people moan :P
If you avoid step 3, you're good to go :)
Actually, forget step 3 as so far your work is near on perfect dude.
DD
However, the 3D model of the cbr900rr is almost complete (the 3p model, the 1p as for the NR750 do it later) for a eventual beta release when the engine stuff will be ready.
When I finished with the baking, I put a in game screenshot, I'm getting a good result. :P
cool news.
Cant wait to die on a CBR lol
DD
Trying to get the rev's to come down quickly (had this issue with other engine maps as well), but I'm not having much luck in the time I've been able to mess with it. I'll do some more over coffee in the morning tomorrow. :-\
Quote from: grimm on May 20, 2016, 09:26:52 PM
Trying to get the rev's to come down quickly (had this issue with other engine maps as well), but I'm not having much luck in the time I've been able to mess with it. I'll do some more over coffee in the morning tomorrow. :-\
You mean in neutral ? Increase the braking torque and eventually decrease the crankshaft inertia.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/108d4w2.png)
Great Teaser shot mate! 8)
Nice shot Blacky.... Are we getting prepared for a 24hr race and some night riding. Hehe ;D 8)
Hawk.
lol
P.S. The headlights are not a effect from photoshop or similar, it is a shader on the glass for nice replays ;D
YEAH BABY!!!!!!
DD
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 20, 2016, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: grimm on May 20, 2016, 09:26:52 PM
Trying to get the rev's to come down quickly (had this issue with other engine maps as well), but I'm not having much luck in the time I've been able to mess with it. I'll do some more over coffee in the morning tomorrow. :-\
You mean in neutral ? Increase the braking torque and eventually decrease the crankshaft inertia.
Most noticed after a crash the bike was hanging rev like it was running ultra lean. Thanks for the tip on how to solve it, the tutorial on the wiki is pretty outdated and doesn't cover that part of modifying an engine map. Thankfully I'm not a complete idiot with computers so I'll get back to the map and probably send it over to Black soon. 8)
That preview screen shot makes me super excited to see this bike alive in GP Bikes! :D
Long live Buttercup Grimm
DD
Quote from: doubledragoncc on May 21, 2016, 07:33:35 PM
Long live Buttercup Grimm
DD
Got it all back home, gonna be bolting everything together along side my 'blade build. Might actually have an engine map for the 'blade soon too! Would be cool to have a second map that is a replica of a jetted and exhaust (as well as an airbox mod) bike that I actually own and runs high end parts that make a true difference...
Maybe even get some sound samples from my bike, if there is a certain way to do it that would make it easy for someone to turn my samples into actual sound in GP Bikes... what is required for that? Blackheart might want to model an aftermarket pipe in a later version of the bike if I could get a full Erion Racing system captured in high def sound. I'm pretty sure I have the capability to do all that too... would it entail holding rev at a certain point in the RPM range? Should it be done under load? I can experiment with mic placement and use it in an actual sound cancelling dyno room so there is no echo and it can replicate load in gear at speed. Just a thought. I'm all for measuring things in weight and distribution as well, I don't have bodywork on mine (naked monster) but if you want accurate suspension weights I can grab them pretty easy being I have it right in the shop 20 steps out my front door.
YES PLEASE :)
All you said is what is needed, no echo , no dyno sound, no cooling fan sound, steady holding revs at diferent points (please take notes of what revs you are holding, lets say idle, 2000, 5000, 8000, 11000, 14000) and for sure under load.
not sure if its possible to do off throttle under load too, would be awesome to get a steady off throttle.
The more samples you can get the better.
Been waiting for something like this for years , this will tell us the capabilities of gpb sound engine. 8)
Sounds great Grimm.
I hope Blacky makes a Naked bike set with custom made bikes like the Blade and Gixxer etc etc. I love Streetfighters.
DD
For the sounds if u you can get good samples, certainly Warlock can help you with this. :)
For now I made an temporary easy exhaust model, I can easily replicate it with another model.
Quote from: Warlock on May 22, 2016, 05:06:44 AM
YES PLEASE :)
All you said is what is needed, no echo , no dyno sound, no cooling fan sound, steady holding revs at diferent points (please take notes of what revs you are holding, lets say idle, 2000, 5000, 8000, 11000, 14000) and for sure under load.
not sure if its possible to do off throttle under load too, would be awesome to get a steady off throttle.
The more samples you can get the better.
Been waiting for something like this for years , this will tell us the capabilities of gpb sound engine. 8)
Would have to schedule up dyno time for samples at a later date (and get a really good dyno print off), but for now, I can go out to a smooth road and isolate the mic on the tail section out of any other interfering noise, near the exhaust and get some really clean samples under load. On and off throttle are easily done, just gotta make sure the sound is clean before I pack up and head back home. As far as it goes with sound, is there a certain type I should be recording under? WAV, MP3, etc.?
Also, once the bike warms up, roll off tends to have some spectacular after fires (creating loud pops and bangs) so I am assuming that off throttle will produce some serious noise, I can play with throttle input to keep it from dumping loads of unburned fuel if it helps keep the sound clean. Otherwise it'll sound like a vintage F1 car on roll off. Might mess with the audio looping? Unless that is a desired part of the sound sample to have the pops and bangs that go with a top end tuned carb set. :)
Quote from: grimm on May 22, 2016, 03:08:54 PM
Would have to schedule up dyno time for samples at a later date (and get a really good dyno print off), but for now, I can go out to a smooth road and isolate the mic on the tail section out of any other interfering noise, near the exhaust and get some really clean samples under load. On and off throttle are easily done, just gotta make sure the sound is clean before I pack up and head back home. As far as it goes with sound, is there a certain type I should be recording under? WAV, MP3, etc.?
Also, once the bike warms up, roll off tends to have some spectacular after fires (creating loud pops and bangs) so I am assuming that off throttle will produce some serious noise, I can play with throttle input to keep it from dumping loads of unburned fuel if it helps keep the sound clean. Otherwise it'll sound like a vintage F1 car on roll off. Might mess with the audio looping? Unless that is a desired part of the sound sample to have the pops and bangs that go with a top end tuned carb set. :)
Best way is for sure a dyno run, as it can keep really fixed load (i guess). The minimal variation in load/revs will ruin the loop.
Off throttle on a road will never give a good loop for the same reason , variation in load/revs.
Backfires could be nice too, after some edition to isolate them , could work.
Anyway i won't say no to any sample you can get , at least we could try something with real recorded sound. The most important thing is : clean and steady.
Wav files will be fine.
Thanks Grimm ;)
Quote from: Warlock on May 22, 2016, 06:37:30 PM
Best way is for sure a dyno run, as it can keep really fixed load (i guess). The minimal variation in load/revs will ruin the loop.
Off throttle on a road will never give a good loop for the same reason , variation in load/revs.
Backfires could be nice too, after some edition to isolate them , could work.
Anyway i won't say no to any sample you can get , at least we could try something with real recorded sound. The most important thing is : clean and steady.
Wav files will be fine.
Thanks Grimm ;)
Awesome! I'll get the dyno time scheduled up early this week, not sure when they will have an opening but I'm pretty sure my brother can pull some strings and see about getting it in fairly quick. Only reason I am not just getting ahold of one of the many shops with a dyno around here is that the one in particular that I am going to call has a really nice dyno room, and the owner and my late father go back about 30 years to their drag strip days, so I can be in the room to setup recording devices and ask for certain things from a run both up and down the rev's as it's not for a power measurement or a tuning session, just for the sole purpose of sound recording. I'm pretty sure Bill, Nick, and Fred (the crew that runs the shop) will be rather intrigued by why I want dyno time and have it done a certain way. 8)
If I remember right, the sound samples that are used for most sims split them up into constant loops, so if that is the case with GPB should the rev be held for a certain period of time at each RPM increment? Say, 5 seconds each, stepping up 500 or 1000rpm each time, that way the sound file can be split into separate parts that correspond with the designated sound loop? At least that's how it looks in the file structure on mod bikes I'm looking at. Never payed much attention to the sound files in GPB when messing around modding config files to change power and such. Pretty sure that's what you are saying, just want to be 100% sure on this. ;)
(A little OT from the CBR)
If this works out, and bringing proper sound recording to the table for mod bikes, I might be able to tap into some of the connections I have to get a decent library of properly recorded motorcycle sounds. Having the shop give me a shout if they are going to be running certain bikes (if we had a thread about this where requests could be made, as well as a group of us that could standardize how we record sound from a bike so as to make this available to modders) we could potentially, as a community, bring the most crisp and realistic sounds possible to a motorcycle sim.
Great! a sound database would be great.
If this works, could be (hope) a dream of sounds, thx m8
Yes holding revs for 5-10 secs in steps of 1000-2000 rpm in only 1 wav file is pretty perfect, we can split them and will be better to get track of the rpm point (2000, 3000, 4000 etc) and not have a mess of multiple files.
First recording will be an experiment to define rev steps we need, holding time, mic setups, etc. So no rush yet, we must try and make a few .scl files to see what is better and how GPB sound engine and editing (cutting and converting them to mono) affects the original sound
I'm very curious! :) It will definitely be a great job!
Talked to my brother, dyno time is going to be scheduled up as soon as possible, any run we want (meaning we can get what we need for sound samples) will be possible. I'll record some temporary sounds just for mic testing and send them to out so Warlock or Black can make them into something that works for a beta release. Going to spend some more time with the engine map in the morning, 10pm right now.
My deepest apologies for not getting to the engine map sooner, it's not for a lack of trying, just really busy with summer coming on, had to install a A/C in the master bedroom (upper part of my house) and every other moment is spent working on my bikes, or my classic cars, or just plain out handling the needs of home ownership. DD's seen my place, ain't small, and it takes a bit of effort to keep clean with two dogs, two cats, and 8 bikes, two trucks, and an entire life to deal with. Totally not putting this off due to anything other than necessity of my personal life. Again, my apologies for it taking so long. An engine map should only take 20 minutes to create, but I want this one to be "right" so it has a slight flat spot in the middle as per the dyno map, already, it feels fantastic and realistic. Just want enough sample points to call it finished proper. I'll surely be sending a link to Blackheart in the morning over coffee. ;)
Thanks for all of your patience with my delay on the engine map, seeing the preview video today really made me think I am behind the schedule by a long shot! :-\
This really looks like a promising project ;) looking forward to see the final results and follow the progress :)
@Grimm
There is no hurry, I work on the mod only a few hours in the weekend, and are enough for good results ;)
P.S. for the audio samples, better to send them to Warlock, the sound is not my field ;D
Took a little more than I expected, and could be improved greatly, but for the time being, I've got the CBR900RR map to work, and it works well. Gearing that maxes out at 150mph turns this thing into a wheelie machine (just like mine on a large rear sprocket) and running it on tall gearing (max of 180 or so) it rips great top RPM wheelies in 1st gear (enough to get you over backward if you just keep it full throttle) and can clutch up a nice 2nd gear, but won't really loft one up just on the power alone (just like a filter, jetting, exhaust).
If the engine braking is too strong or too weak, maybe someone could have a poke around the files when a release happens, but for now I'm going to tidy up the stuff that needs to be done for the engine to work correctly and send it out as soon as I don't feel like there is much left for improvement. On to sounds next! ;D
Project(s) are deleted.
Only the CBR will be completed, for respect at the Grimm work.
Quote from: Blackheart on May 30, 2016, 02:04:57 PM
Project(s) are deleted.
Only the CBR will be completed, for respect at the Grimm work.
Oh dear Blacky we are all in a tizz. Lol
Seen this all before over the years mate(with at least three other people) and I can assure you that you will be the only one who loses out by doing that sort of thing. ;)
If your going to create mods then do it firstly because you love to do it, and second because you want to help the community and contribute to seeing GPB reach it's full potential..... If your doing it for any other reason then forget it. :)
You can listen to this advice or not, take it or leave it, but I'm done with trying to convince people who do this sort of thing to stick around. Do as you please mate but for sure your not doing yourself any favours by taking that attitude. ;)
Hawk.
Quote from: Blackheart on May 30, 2016, 02:04:57 PM
Project(s) are deleted.
Only the CBR will be completed, for respect at the Grimm work.
Mate really think this over. It's just a game and we are here to have fun with each other.
Do not let your hard work go to waste just because of yesterday.
Quote from: Boerenlater on May 30, 2016, 02:48:09 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on May 30, 2016, 02:04:57 PM
Project(s) are deleted.
Only the CBR will be completed, for respect at the Grimm work.
Mate really think this over. It's just a game and we are here to have fun with each other.
Do not let your hard work go to waste just because of yesterday.
:-\ I have no clue whats happening here, but I am really confused by it.
Black, if you do step away after the CBR is released, would you mind if the community continued to work on it so the sound I'm going to record could be added to it? I'm sure in initial release it'll have to use a place holder sound and engine map, but in the long run replicating the dyno sheet and using the sound from my 900RR would make it as real as possible. :)
No idea what's happening, but Grimm anything you do on the sound samples will surely not be wasted no matter what.
@Grimm All my mods (the italian translation, skins, bikes) in future can be updated by everyone with no problems.
Bro???
It is such a shame to read this. Your a talented guy and gave us a brilliant bike. Your WIP's looked great and it was something to really look forward to.
I hope, as I am sure most do that you continue here. Who will I have to fight with over the podium dude???
Hope you think about it at least.
DD
......and all this shit just because piboso won't fix his game, ok i know krp is more important at the moment.
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 30, 2016, 02:59:33 PM
No idea what's happening, but Grimm anything you do on the sound samples will surely not be wasted no matter what.
Indeed, any sound modder can do good use of them and put them in any bike they want, so don't worry Grimm.
Quote from: vin97 on May 30, 2016, 04:34:24 PM
......and all this shit just because piboso won't fix his game, ok i know krp is more important at the moment.
Yes this is PART of the problem, but Piboso can't fix individual human attitudes that is the other part of the problem.
Quote from: vin97 on May 30, 2016, 04:34:24 PM
......and all this shit just because piboso won't fix his game, ok i know krp is more important at the moment.
I just hope that TTB will be a real step forward.
I love the road bikes, but at the moment gpb is too limited; outdated graphics, unable to create real mirrors, no support for the headlights, nothing day/night, the rain it's horrible, tools for modders are too primitive.
if the game would not constantly destroy good races there would be no reason to get mad in the first place.
i can completely understand blackheart and i was close to bursting as well.
first you always have to deal with a race-destroying bug (fall off / lowside detection) that basically gets ignored by piboso (and denied by a few users who says its "realistic" lolololol) for months and then you are not even able to participate in the race you trained many hours for.
at some point it's enough.
A long ago, I advised against investing too much into online racing with the current status of GPB.
Until stability is addressed (and it hasn't yet, judging from the daily dev thread), training and online racing are essentially a waste of time.
My advice: just don't do it. You'll spare yourself a lot of frustration.
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 30, 2016, 06:48:07 PM
A long ago, I advised against investing too much into online racing with the current status of GPB.
Until stability is addressed (and it hasn't yet, judging from the daily dev thread), training and online racing are essentially a waste of time.
My advice: just don't do it. You'll spare yourself a lot of frustration.
So for what did you bought the game just hotlap ?
And honestly I've never seen you riding for a race , not even in a short fun race , so how could you give this advice ??? ?
And for the training , that's the same
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 30, 2016, 06:48:07 PM
A long ago, I advised against investing too much into online racing with the current status of GPB.
Until stability is addressed (and it hasn't yet, judging from the daily dev thread), training and online racing are essentially a waste of time.
My advice: just don't do it. You'll spare yourself a lot of frustration.
Just out of interest, how much time do you spend riding in GP Bikes in a week?
In the current state, offline practicing is much more frustrating than online practice and racing, as the slighest whole in the tracks will cause a core and on many tracks. It is impossible to go much more than few laps before cores happen.
I was very much into racing, but since all the problems, i take racing more as a fun practice and learning if it goes and expecting the worse, so if i core out, well that's it, there will be another race within long :) but i really enjoy the racing, so i don't think people should stop racing, but people should be prepared for core.exe, lags and the other problems we have, as it is impossible to avoid it at the moment. Sadly!
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 30, 2016, 06:48:07 PM
A long ago, I advised against investing too much into online racing with the current status of GPB.
Until stability is addressed (and it hasn't yet, judging from the daily dev thread), training and online racing are essentially a waste of time.
My advice: just don't do it. You'll spare yourself a lot of frustration.
I agree, without a stable gpb and a good organization its a big waste of time.
Hours of practice to have a fun race, and then remain in 8 of 20+ after the first lap ... and there were even some who said it was a good race ;D
EDIT: Useless create races and it is useless make mods for this beta, and to 100% this sim will be replaced with TTB.
Quote from: Meyer#12 on May 30, 2016, 07:07:02 PM
In the current state, offline practicing is much more frustrating than online practice and racing, as the slighest whole in the tracks will cause a core and on many tracks. It is impossible to go much more than few laps before cores happen.
i disagree.. :D i spend waaay more time offline with GPB than online.. just riding/testing and enjoying the dynamic surface!
this comes at a price though.. when i venture online everything feels different to what im used to. all the races i have entered online have gone badly for me one way or another hahahahahahaha ;D
come on piboso get a fat loan or something.. ;D GPB could be spectacular, especially online with all the trimmings.. (dynamic surface, good replays, etc etc)
+1 Meyer
Offline is where I ALWAYS rode and had nothing but core after core!!!
Online it is far more stable and I love being on the track with you guys.
Yes it is a pain with how it is right now but we can only work with what we have so lets do our best.
Obviously over 20 bikes and all goes to shit so we need think about 2 races less bikes or something like that or 2 races where top 5 race in 3rd race, I dont know but some way to reduce cores.
With luck once Pib has fully released KRP things will change. Lets hope so.
DD
When krp It will be completed, probably start work full time on TTB.
gpb has for years the same problems.
If Pib does not finish a product we have paid for then I can see a lot of pissed off people and a total loss in faith for his products. I dont think he is that stupid. He HAS to finish GPB or there would be a lot of people NOT paying for TTB!!!
I think we just have to see what happens, after all, no matter what we want, we have no real control over what happens.
DD
Quote from: Blackheart on May 30, 2016, 07:15:02 PM
I agree, without a stable gpb and a good organization its a big waste of time.
Do you mean Nicks events haven't good organization? (dont forget they are fun club races, not world championship)
I don't get it, in current GPB state you know for sure will be problems in races, YOU KNOW it, why do you race then?
What? I know the "problems", i know also the the Manu mod has huge textures and so need about 2 mins for load this with a core before the start... Who organizes the race should know this or not?
To us back on the track in 1 min (we probably have very good pc), the answer from the boss was an ironic?! "too late". So this is a bad organization imo.
P.S. I do not like your sarcasm here and in the other topic "warlock" so... I will avoid to answer you.
PS: I organized it (yet again cos no-one else ever bothers) but wasn't there and my number 2 couldn't get back in the server to be admin after the reset so something had to be done quick - nominating Matty who did his best. No-one sees the half hour run up to an event where it is manic producing the lists, answering forum/checking stuff etc etc.
....And you think a 'reasonable' way to discuss this mistake (if it was) was to insult everyone and burn your projects. Nice moves mate.
Shame you did 50+ races before you realised the organization was too poor and game was too frustrating for you to bear.
I suppose a rational person might have explained the situation, asked if we could look at it, maybe re-run the race for those who missed out and make improvements, maybe even offer to help out with the admin.
But no , lets make a "penis" video, slag off the club organisation snidely at every possible chance and go on and on about it in lots of different threads.
Max's advice was very good advice - but only for people who aren't in control of their emotions / have false expectations.
Anyway. It is never too late to rebuild bridges as far as I am concerned. Everyone welcome at the shitty events (hahaha I am joking)
sorry but at the current state you have to have in mind that you could core out anytime, be it at the start or the last lap. and its the same for everyone. if you cannot stand that your race is ruined that you trained so hard for its better to not sign up. it was somewhat always like this and after a while you just learn to accept that.
my 2 cents
Quote from: Kerazo on May 30, 2016, 08:37:36 PM
sorry but at the current state you have to have in mind that you could core out anytime, be it at the start or the last lap. and its the same for everyone. if you cannot stand that your race is ruined that you trained so hard for its better to not sign up. it was somewhat always like this and after a while you just learn to accept that.
my 2 cents
Agree! This is how the game is at the moment and we just have to do with that for now. None of us know how hard piboso is working (beside himself). I personally think he is doing a massive job! And maybe the Netcode problem or whatever it is, is just a much more tough nut to crack, than any of us realises and that is why it haven't been done. If Pib knew what causes our problems, i am pretty damn sure we would have a fix for it right now
Quote from: Blackheart on May 30, 2016, 08:09:47 PM
P.S. I do not like your sarcasm here and in the other topic "warlock" so... I will avoid to answer you.
-First, do you know what sarcasm is?, :o ... i've been talking straight forward, nothing in the 'grey' zone, i can't be more clear.
-Second , you dont like my comments just because of the first reason above.
-third, you will avoid answer me because you don't have mature arguments. You don't answer me because you don't even understand what i'm trying to explain to you (also many others) , it seems you don't even read and analyze what we are trying to explain.
Am i clear enough now? no sarcasm at all ;)
You are talking with a 45 years old guy not a kid, i don't waste my time being sarcastic.
Last post on this subject, nothing more to add.
Quote from: Napalm Nick on May 30, 2016, 08:30:24 PM
PS: I organized it (yet again cos no-one else ever bothers) but wasn't there and my number 2 couldn't get back in the server to be admin after the reset so something had to be done quick - nominating Matty who did his best. No-one sees the half hour run up to an event where it is manic producing the lists, answering forum/checking stuff etc etc.
....And you think a 'reasonable' way to discuss this mistake (if it was) was to insult everyone and burn your projects. Nice moves mate.
Shame you did 50+ races before you realised the organization was too poor and game was too frustrating for you to bear.
I suppose a rational person might have explained the situation, asked if we could look at it, maybe re-run the race for those who missed out and make improvements, maybe even offer to help out with the admin.
But no , lets make a "penis" video, slag off the club organisation snidely at every possible chance and go on and on about it in lots of different threads.
Max's advice was very good advice - but only for people who aren't in control of their emotions / have false expectations.
Anyway. It is never too late to rebuild bridges as far as I am concerned. Everyone welcome at the shitty events (hahaha I am joking)
The real reason why I said stop with gpb It is what you wrote now.
LIESYou said I insulted everyone >
No, I have not insulted anyone.You said I realized that the organization bad just now >
No, I only spoke of this event.You said I have talked about this in different threads >
I only responded to the unmotivated attacks.You said my "penis" video >
It is a normal gpb vid, with an ironic title, half Italian, no offense inside.You said too late to rebuild bridges >
I have no problems with anyone and I will continue in this way.The people write lies, as you did now. But this is part of a forum, to attack someone you need to use your imagination. ;)
Quote from: Blackheart on May 30, 2016, 09:37:13 PM
You said I insulted everyone > No, I have not insulted anyone.
You said I realized that the organization bad just now > No, I only spoke of this event.
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Quote from: doubledragoncc on May 30, 2016, 07:45:00 PM
If Pib does not finish a product we have paid for then I can see a lot of pissed off people and a total loss in faith for his products. I dont think he is that stupid. He HAS to finish GPB or there would be a lot of people NOT paying for TTB!!!
+1
Yeh yeh Blacky, whatever helps you sleep at night eh.
So by your own admittance the organisation is so terrible just because of one event and deserves all the shit you are throwing.
Actually I said it was not too late to build bridges which means forget it and lets move on together like before, like adults.
Maybe instead of taking every comment as a personal attack and retaliating with more insults you could think about where YOU went wrong for a change/how your comments are interpreted - are they representative of what you are trying to say ?
Anyway it is all your problem to deal with however you best see fit, which I expect will be more of the same. Bring it on, then we can drag this forum down to the levels seen in other Pib forums. Well done mate.
Quote from: matty0l215 on May 30, 2016, 07:04:58 PM
Just out of interest, how much time do you spend riding in GP Bikes in a week?
Close to zero. Because since beta4, there's little point in making any effort to organize and join online races: online, at the moment, does not work. It doesn't. Really.
And yes, I raced quite a bit on old betas, before Matty and GuiGui even joined. So the advice comes from there.
I'm not criticizing the ones that do make the effort, I'm just saying that all this is to be expected.
You can do your best (dedi server with good bandwidth, nds track, stable tracks and bikes, whatever), but it's not gonna work.
So frustration is to be expected. Don't want frustration ? Don't race online. Do hotlap, offline, mods, whatever.
Of course I'm not saying people are entitled to scream because they core.exe'd once after training for 2 weeks.
Given the current status of online, they should not have trained for 2 weeks in the first place or they should have taken the core.exe on their chin, as we all do form time to time.
P.S.
I do think that core.exe crash was just a semi-instant karma thing for chosing to create a Kawa z1000 :P :P :P
Quote from: HornetMaX on May 30, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on May 30, 2016, 07:04:58 PM
Just out of interest, how much time do you spend riding in GP Bikes in a week?
Close to zero. Because since beta4, there's little point in making any effort to organize and join online races: online, at the moment, does not work. It doesn't. Really.
And yes, I raced quite a bit on old betas, before Matty and GuiGui even joined. So the advice comes from there.
I'm not criticizing the ones that do make the effort, I'm just saying that all this is to be expected.
You can do your best (dedi server with good bandwidth, nds track, stable tracks and bikes, whatever), but it's not gonna work.
So frustration is to be expected. Don't want frustration ? Don't race online. Do hotlap, offline, mods, whatever.
Of course I'm not saying people are entitled to scream because they core.exe'd once after training for 2 weeks.
Given the current status of online, they should not have trained for 2 weeks in the first place or they should have taken the core.exe on their chin, as we all do form time to time.
P.S.
I do think that core.exe crash was just a semi-instant karma thing for chosing to create a Kawa z1000 :P :P :P
No worrys Max, i know yov've been around for the longest time. I was here during the very end of Beta 2 and tbe whole beta 3 but never raced online.
Too bad, because beta3 was probably the most online-playable.
But I'm sure you can find people that have been on-board longer than me: ach, I gave a try to alpha 7 but at the time was busy with other stuff, only came back around beta2, so we're almost as gpb-old :)
Haven't been active on the forum until Alpha7, and never really raced online, but it is a shame the online has been screwed up for so long. I really would love to join in the fun, but I just don't ride well on the game/sim, and I keep reading over and over that the online bit is not working so I don't even try.
Really makes me question weather it's worth wanting to even put in the effort anymore. Piboso deletes threads regularly and I don't understand why, people get upset and vanish. I'll finish up the engine map and record as many sounds as possible for a database starting with a baseline on the 900RR... but I just don't see the reason for all the turbulence here on the forum and it really puts me off on wanting to get involved. I see the community coming apart a bit over the years and I offer what I can to pull it back together. (A good example is SM Bikes pack on MX Bikes 3 days after current Beta release to quench the thirst for mod bikes on the forum when EVERYONE waited for a supermoto for so damn long.) I've got what it takes (although it may not be track or bike modeling) to put something back into the mod community, and I don't expect even a thank you or an online race to work out. I just want to see everyone enjoy Piboso's simulators to the fullest extent. :)
I think it is normal. A bunch of guys n girls all extremely passionate for the product feeling frustrated often, then one small catalyst, and the lid comes off, has a little boil over then it reduces back to an excited simmer!
Recently I think being here along for the ride is enriching the experience not reducing it. I don't think anyone will blame me for fiercely defending what I have tried to bring here.
It is just the way it is, humans are crap at stuff like this, its a fact of life lol. Roll on Dolphin rule!
Quote from: Napalm Nick on May 31, 2016, 07:59:39 AM
I think it is normal. A bunch of guys n girls all extremely passionate for the product feeling frustrated often, then one small catalyst, and the lid comes off, has a little boil over then it reduces back to an excited simmer!
Recently I think being here along for the ride is enriching the experience not reducing it. I don't think anyone will blame me for fiercely defending what I have tried to bring here.
It is just the way it is, humans are crap at stuff like this, its a fact of life lol. Roll on Dolphin rule!
Thanks for all the fish!
It has taken me since Alpha7 to really get involve with the community and since beta8 release it really looked promising in many ways.
With Nick having to move and there being no servers I am trying my best to give what I can and try to get more sales and new blood into GPB.
We need to work together not fight each other. This is one of the most mature forums in many ways so when this kind of thing happens it really rocks the boat.
Blacky and I butted heads for a few days then we got it back on track and it would be a shame to lose a great modder, but some of the stuff thats been said is uncalled for and it has all escalated.
Why cant we drop the finger pointing and just get back to pulling together to get as much fun out of this as we can until the big cheese decides to pull his finger out and get the netcode done. If it means I have to put in more time and effort I am up for it, but I cant do it all alone.
Please guys, lets get back to some kick ass riding and "FUCK CORE"
DD
Quote from: Napalm Nick on May 31, 2016, 07:59:39 AM
I think it is normal. A bunch of guys n girls all extremely passionate for the product feeling frustrated often, then one small catalyst, and the lid comes off, has a little boil over then it reduces back to an excited simmer!
Recently I think being here along for the ride is enriching the experience not reducing it. I don't think anyone will blame me for fiercely defending what I have tried to bring here.
It is just the way it is, humans are crap at stuff like this, its a fact of life lol. Roll on Dolphin rule!
Quote from: doubledragoncc on May 31, 2016, 09:35:33 AM
It has taken me since Alpha7 to really get involve with the community and since beta8 release it really looked promising in many ways.
With Nick having to move and there being no servers I am trying my best to give what I can and try to get more sales and new blood into GPB.
We need to work together not fight each other. This is one of the most mature forums in many ways so when this kind of thing happens it really rocks the boat.
Blacky and I butted heads for a few days then we got it back on track and it would be a shame to lose a great modder, but some of the stuff thats been said is uncalled for and it has all escalated.
Why cant we drop the finger pointing and just get back to pulling together to get as much fun out of this as we can until the big cheese decides to pull his finger out and get the netcode done. If it means I have to put in more time and effort I am up for it, but I cant do it all alone.
Please guys, lets get back to some kick ass riding and "FUCK CORE"
DD
+10000 ;)
I'm with you guys all the way on this....... Let's chill guys.... The drama is over! Peace! ;D 8)
Hawk.
I read too much crap. Before the insults, invented stories... and now the word "peace" in a forum :o Im not at war with anyone.
I take a my decision, stop working on gpb, for the attitude of some members of this forum, I do not lose anything, maybe gpb lose good or less good stuff.
End.
So I come back from a short holiday, to find that there's been a fight and Blackheart's leaving? Haha what's going on?
Quote from: Urban Chaos 2.0 on May 31, 2016, 09:24:21 PM
So I come back from a short holiday, to find that there's been a fight and Blackheart's leaving? Haha what's going on?
Hehe new sitcom.. ''when bikers get bitchy'' .. ;D
in all fairness.. it's probably my fault, setting a tone with my mini rant the other day.. like a big cry baby :'( ::)
Yes it was all BOBPPPPPP
To the stables with him for a good fonging!!!!
DD
Quote from: Blackheart on May 31, 2016, 07:37:19 PM
I read too much crap. Before the insults, invented stories... and now the word "peace" in a forum :o Im not at war with anyone.
I take a my decision, stop working on gpb, for the attitude of some members of this forum, I do not lose anything, maybe gpb lose good or less good stuff.
End.
Yes you take your decision to deny 99% of the community your good work on the basis of the few who have bothered to comment on your bad attitude after last Sundays race, and that you cannot deny. Yes, that was really very gracious of you Blacky to spite the many to satisfy your need to spite the few.
No your not at war with most people of course not, but seems your intent on spiting the few who made the effort to comment on your bad attitude after Sundays race? Otherwise why withdraw your work on the MODS for the community? Because surely you were creating your mods for the whole GPB community and not just those that replied to your comments after Sundays race? Can you see what I'm saying here? :)
As far as you saying, and I quote: "
I do not lose anything, maybe gpb lose good or less good stuff." Don't make the mistake of thinking you are that important
because none of us are, not me or any of the main players in the community are that important. Believe me, if people leave the community or stop working on MODS then GPB will go on quite happily without them. As I said before, if your going to create MODS then do it firstly because you love doing it and only secondly because you want to contribute to the community as a whole, but from your actions it seems your doing it for some other reason than those two I've mentioned? ;)
Look Blacky, we all have our outburst of frustration at times, that understandable when riders put in hours of practice for events only to have what happened on Sunday happen, but when you take it as far as you have done since Sunday just to get back at the few then you start to get peoples backs up. But as far as I'm concerned it's finished with and we move on, so it's up to you how you take it from here. ;) 8)
Hawk.
I'm sure that if Jamoz is around, he'll push out one of those popcorn animated gifs :)
(http://rs1153.pbsrc.com/albums/p520/ckusma/Breaking%20Bad%20Gifs/cf3b459f.gif~c200)
Here's what I came up with, I suppose you could just paste it into the file for the 900. Doesn't seem I'm ever going to be good at making things for GPB so after this I am just going to leave it to you guys to make things like this work. Quite frankly I'm pretty sure someone could do better with half the effort I've put into this. :-[
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point2 = 18.333332, 21.568251
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point4 = 29.999998, 40.835896
point5 = 40.416664, 47.162579
point6 = 47.916664, 62.691719
point7 = 56.250000, 66.717796
point8 = 65.416672, 71.319023
point9 = 81.666672, 77.645706
point10 = 87.916656, 78.220856
point11 = 89.583336, 79.371170
point12 = 99.166664, 86.273003
point13 = 118.750000, 85.697845
point14 = 130.000000, 82.822090
point15 = 136.666656, 80.521469
point16 = 147.083328, 81.671783
point17 = 159.583328, 81.096626
point18 = 169.583313, 78.796013
point19 = 186.666687, 75.345093
point20 = 198.750000, 69.018402
point21 = 200.000000, 59.240799
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brake
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point1 = 26.249998, -7.764570
point2 = 48.333328, -12.078222
point3 = 79.166664, -17.542183
point4 = 109.583344, -25.306753
point5 = 130.000000, -26.457052
point6 = 149.583328, -26.457052
point7 = 163.750000, -22.430979
point8 = 177.083344, -23.868866
point9 = 188.333344, -22.718555
point10 = 197.083328, -23.006134
point11 = 206.944458, -29.907972
point12 = 230.555542, -32.783745
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}
In the CFG file, engine inertia was set to, "Inertia = 0.015", and it seemed okay, still far from as good as it could be.
This constant drama on the forum really sours my interest in anything to do with the community. So, I hope to see the 900 in game, but for the most part I'm just going to go back to lurking about just reading. ;)
Just wanted to say that any modder's work is very much appreciated. I'm having a lot of fun playing the NR750, thanks for that!
I hope the CBR900RR gets finished, would be fun to ride it around.
As for arguments, it's a bit sad seeing people misunderstand each other's comments and escalating arguments for no other reason. Comment seen as an insult, answered by a comment seen as an insult, answered by an insult, getting a bigger insult in return... and then everyone lashing back just defending themselves. Face to face: comment gets followed by "well yeah, anyway, so and so..."; online: comment gets followed by *BOOM*.
So, yeah, thumbs up to everyone who puts effort into GPB in any way or form :)