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W10 referendum - last chance to get it for free(dom), offer ends July 29th. :o
Do we all move up to W10 to pull together in a Microsoft Union group-hug and share our most private thoughts with the world or is it time to take back control in a mighty show of strength and say "stuff that Bill, I like the dark ages"?
What are you gonna do ??
Like always I'll be sticking to Win7 until software houses stop supporting Win7.
The only time I would rush to make the change would be if Win10 had such big benefits over Win7 that the change was worth the while. :)
Hawk.
The new server PC will be on Win10 so i can test it.
But i'm with Hawk on this one, I wont be switching until 7 isn't supported. :D
Not pulling the trigger neither. Not necessarily because 10 is bad (which mostly it isn't), just that I see no compelling reason to go to 10 at the moment. I don't care about dx12 right now, so 7 is fine.
Just notice that the point when you should abandon W7 is not when software houses stop supporting it, but when Microsoft itself stops supporting it (which will be sooner): too many security risks after that ...
Interesting! Its been out a year already! But January 2020 is quite close and we all know W7 is dead after extended support ends then you will have to buy one! Why not get your FREE one now and enjoy the benefits of DX12, Cortana and all the other great stuff? Besides if you let it learn about you it will enhance your life <cough>.
We have had a year for the patches to be rolled out and I don't hear much bleating now at all. MS played the age old game to trick the customers - release something quick that people will berate because it is a big change (Windows 8 ) then release the updated version (W10) quickly after and people will say "ah now that's better". Anyone remember Vista and its successor W7? Doh High Five Bill.
Anyway, moving on, not everyone loves a conspiracy...
If it runs on W7 it probably runs on W10 too, right? Windows 8 had 100% more backward compatibility than any other Windows and 10 is just its evil spying love child.
Come on, keep up or get out of the race, man. ;) lol Mind you I did hear a few W10 vs GPB problems :o
Well you will then be surprised to learn that many companies are now making hardware that is only for WIN10 64bit and WIN7 is going to start to be a problem.
Example: Borrowed an Elgato HD60S and it will not work on WIN7 WTF!!!, but its already starting and look at MS and Forza, only dx12 on WIN10.........................
I have been using 10 since it was first released to beta test and love it..................it is a bitch to start with in small ways though.......................
Far better memory usage.............games are faster in 10 than 7, not by massive amounts but enough to notice it........................
The overall user interface is far friendlier and lets you have old 7 style or newer 8 style start menu or a bit of both...............
If you have 7 and get the upgrade free before you do have to pay for it then you can always revert back to 7......................
DD
Main question, any licensed software i have. Will i still be able to use them licenses/will i need to re-install everything??
You dont have to reinstall anything!!! All licenses can be used again if you need to any time or want to download the upgrade where you do a fresh install instead.
I did an upgrade and did not have to change a thing.
Only problem I had was my own fault in the end.
It is really worth it IMO and I am a fussy bitch.
DD
Personally I am a clean install man. Not a fan of upgrades, especially Microsoft ones. So I would have to reinstall everything again afterwards. Licensing is not normally a problem as long as you are still using only one copy. I have some PCs running W10 and all from the disks Microsoft kindly supply on their site (ISOs to burn to discs) But that way is a faff unless you know how to get the new W10 license key before a fresh install.
But a good question. As I have not done an upgrade method yet I'm not 100% sure other than to say it should be ok eek.
I have done both ways and prefer the fresh install myself. Had no problems with a single license.
Upgrade is piss easy too.
DD
Superb. So still missing a few reasons not to jump.
My biggest worry is my Games/Multimedia PC not having a smooth transition and the endless nausea that would cause. I might dry run it by making an image as it stands, then upgrading and if it goes brown loading back the image. But.... will this work once the W10 has been done and the 8 license locked out (what happens when you get your new W10 key as part of the upgrade). Will doing it this way within 30 days work or does it have to be done the 'official' roll back way??
Hmm unknown and risky, maybe I will just stay and in 3 years buy a W10. I like a simple life.
Haven't had to weigh up this many pro's and cons before a deadline, since 23rd June.
I've bought a spare SSD with the plan of using it for win10 but keeping the old drive intact just in case ::)
A few colleagues upgraded to 10 (more or less intentionally :) ) and then rolled back to 7 without any problem.
But not, the image thingy won't work: your old license gets deactivated I think.
Quote from: h106frp on June 30, 2016, 10:06:06 PM
I've bought a spare SSD with the plan of using it for win10 but keeping the old drive intact just in case ::)
But you can't have the free upgrade in that case. My understanding is that when you upgrade your old 7/8 license is deactivated and replaced by a 10 license.
Only chance is the rollback (which as I said above seems to work better than I expected).
My understanding too. Upgrade puts your old key into deactivation for 30 days, in which time you can roll back and the old key is released back into activation. After 30 days the old key is (in effect) deleted, so cannot be re-activated. Whether that re-activation period is honoured after the free upgrade date is another concern.
Also H - you will probably have to install your W7/8 and activate it on the SSD so you can do the upgrade then grab the new key for a subsequent fresh install (if needed). An easier way will be to image out your drive to the SSD or it will be more hassle than its worth.
Obviously if a fresh install is done there is no rolling back from inside W10.
I can still use my original WIN7 Ultimate Enterprise key if I want to no problem.
MS can NOT deactivate an original key just because you upgraded to 10.
Correct Nick no rollback with fresh install just fresh 7 or 8 install with original 7 or 8 key
Been through it all to see lol
DD
Probably only because it is an Enterprise version which is basically a multi user licence?
Other Single user keys are blocked from re-activating again (as far as I believe) to stop people upgrading to W10 then using the old key on a different PC. It was a lesson learnt from all those machines shipped as Vista with a W7 upgrade option. Free OS to everyone savvy enough to realise 8)
I'm gonna stick with win7 64bits until i die lol ;D
By mistake my wife upgraded the shop pc to win10 and the first time i tried to find the control panel i went mad :P , i hate it, i hate cortana and i hate everything...i think i'm getting too old m8 ;D
Quote from: Warlock on July 01, 2016, 12:19:16 AM
I'm gonna stick with win7 64bits until i die lol ;D
By mistake my wife upgraded the shop pc to win10 and the first time i tried to find the control panel i went mad :P , i hate it, i hate cortana and i hate everything...i think i'm getting too old m8 ;D
nah, win10 is just shit
Quote from: vin97 on July 01, 2016, 02:21:14 AM
nah, win10 is just shit
There are people who likes Justin Bieber ..... so i can hate win 10
Who or WTF is Cortana?
If it's like Siri for windows, is there anyway to burn the witch? I'm not going to be speaking to my computer and I don't need the search bar to have a fucking name :P ;D
My biggest gripe with 10 is that microsoft assumes everyone using it has just bought their first ever pc.. when something goes wrong, either software or hardware, it's so damn hard to fix. The last version of Windows I remember having no problem with correcting problems would be either 98 (and all its iterations) and to a lesser extent XP.
These used the same framework so to speak, Vista started the trend of fancy and now we have Windows 10, where basic operations like formatting or replacing your install HD are plagued with 'safety' barriers, terminology intended for someone who shouldn't be formatting a hard drive and no real documentation. The Microsoft site is full of asking the same troubleshooting questions and being linked to different 'fix' pages, or irrelevant old pages.
No real clear info on things like how accounts, permissions / rights work, you think you've got it right then all of a sudden you can't write to your program files sub folders.. No initial clue on how to get rid of all the bumf.. Finding that all important setting you know Windows 'always used to have' is also a nightmare as they've changed the name to something cute and fluffy, and although they can code at base level and come up with something so complex as an operating system they can't seem to link the old search query with the new cute and fluffy term. You shouldn't have to Google every time you want to change a setting.
IMO W10 is still the best OS they've released since XP, I just think it should come with the option when installing:
Do you know what you're doing? Yes / No
LOL Matty
Cortana is a bitch, I think she is based on one of Bills hookers!!!
I dont use the cow..................besides why have a sexy female sounding PC when it cant................oh think I will stop there ;D
DD
Get the best of both, clone your drive onto some random disk and do the upgrade to win 10 and clone back. Then continue use your windows 7, 98 or 95 system safe in the knowledge that you can do a fresh load on your drive to windows 10 whenever you like on that system in the future if needed for free.
Luddites? :)
Quote from: teeds on July 01, 2016, 07:56:52 AM
Get the best of both, clone your drive onto some random disk and do the upgrade to win 10 and clone back. Then continue use your windows 7, 98 or 95 system safe in the knowledge that you can do a fresh load on your drive to windows 10 whenever you like on that system in the future if needed for free.
Luddites? :)
Not sure it will work: licenses are activated (and deactivated) online, so ...
Agree very much Mr Controller. A nightmare to fix yourself.
Also not that user friendly - I remember the very first thing I did after installing W10 was saving a picture (a kitten I assume) from the Internet (using MS Edge). I could view it in the picture viewer but for the life of me I just could not find it anywhere on the hard drive. Honestly, after much wasted time and thinking maybe it had gone to the cloud I gave up muttering something along the line of "FFS well done Bill, here we go again".
Teeds - a good idea but as Max says I think MS are being much more tight-fisted with the keys this time. Let us know if that works man ;D
Cortana is actually a lady in your PC I think. Somewhere below the Motherboard, Like pictures though, no-one can find her.
Well I stripped my whole G75 laptop down to re paste the GPU and CPU and did not find her, if she was hiding she is now covered in sticky stuff...........thermal paste I mean.
Besides from the few tests with her I did she just did not understand what "shut the fuck up" meant!!! She insisted on making all searches for any request online and then with flipin Bing!!! I hate Bing!!!
Well she seems to have died somewhere in the goo and I hope I dont have a virtual zombie living with me!!!
DD
I tested Win10 in a virtual machine. You can upgrade from a non-genuine Win7 version as long as you are loading Win10 from a Boot-CD/ISO and are not connected to the internet.
It's simply not a desktop OS, it's smartphone/tablet OS.
Quote from: vin97 on July 01, 2016, 04:31:15 PM
I tested Win10 in a virtual machine. You can upgrade from a non-genuine Win7 version as long as you are loading Win10 from a Boot-CD/ISO and are not connected to the internet.
It's simply not a desktop OS, it's smartphone/tablet OS.
Totally agree with you.... and another reason I really don't want to upgrade anytime soon, although I suspect there is an interface replacement so that you can have it as Win7? Yeah I think I did read that from one of you guys earlier in the thread?
Hawk.
Quote from: vin97 on July 01, 2016, 04:31:15 PM
It's simply not a desktop OS, it's smartphone/tablet OS.
Exactly.
And i want my pc to be a pc not a tablet.
Quote from: Guimengo on July 01, 2016, 06:29:55 PM
Screw Windows 8, 10, and M$'s plans of widespread control. I'll keep my W7 going through its final support date in 2020, but likely will keep it going past it, or move to a competitor OS if such is available. If PC games are not compatible, I'll just stop playing them.
I cannot understand why people slag-off MS? If it wasn't for Bill Gates and MS then PC's would probably still be stuck in the dark ages..... MS changed the ball-game big time for the mass PC market and should be respected for that.
Just because a product becomes the majority choice of the world is no reason to slag it off with crazy MS world control attitude.... The guy(Bill Gates) has done well for every PC owner so don't knock it. ::)
You want to ask yourself that if it was so bad then why has it done so well? :P
Hawk.
Or you could go full on recluse and use Linux..
In general I'm not a microsoft-basher and I don't think Win10 is that bad. There are a few points that are however really outstanding:
- I do understand their willingness to move people to win10, but their pushy update policy is a shame.
- Telemetry: big no.
- I've even read the most incredible of all: it has been proved that Visual Studio 2015 (C++) automatically adds telemetry calls to your own code. This is bordeline criminal. Microsoft has of course reacted quickly (like "oups, it went in by mistake, will take it out in the next update"), but ...
Problem is: there's zero alternative. So the day Win7 support ends, I'll move. For security reasons.
Quote from: Guimengo on July 02, 2016, 02:09:31 AM
Quote from: Hawk on July 01, 2016, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: Guimengo on July 01, 2016, 06:29:55 PM
Screw Windows 8, 10, and M$'s plans of widespread control. I'll keep my W7 going through its final support date in 2020, but likely will keep it going past it, or move to a competitor OS if such is available. If PC games are not compatible, I'll just stop playing them.
I cannot understand why people slag-off MS? If it wasn't for Bill Gates and MS then PC's would probably still be stuck in the dark ages..... MS changed the ball-game big time for the mass PC market and should be respected for that.
Just because a product becomes the majority choice of the world is no reason to slag it off with crazy MS world control attitude.... The guy(Bill Gates) has done well for every PC owner so don't knock it. ::)
You want to ask yourself that if it was so bad then why has it done so well? :P
Hawk.
You can look at it that way, or look at how he grew his company through actions that were ahead of anti-trust and monopoly laws. Much like Bernie Ecclestone, he had a vision of what he could achieve and ruthlessly went after it with shady acts. If you read my post again you'll see I'm on W7... Of course MS has merits. Many of them. The same way I can praise something, I can criticize something especially when it is a very valid point. Remember Vista? Instead of fixing it (W7), they spent nearly a billion in marketing to try to say their turd was polished, smelled good, and wasn't actually turd. When it comes to the absurd policies, the intrusiveness and control-freak aspect of W10, and the forceful and illegal manner with which it was pushed, there are plenty of arguments to slag off MS.
I do understand people moaning about the way MS do business at times, but certainly history will say that MS opened up the genuine PC market for the average business and Joe in the street.
But this attitude(I'm speaking in general terms here) that many have against MS(particularly from Apple and Linux users) is totally unjustified. Business is business and like many successful businesses, they don't become super successful by playing exactly within the rules; that's consumerism and we're all partly to blame for that depending on your point of view of course. :)
Hawk.
No Hawk, you're right.. And the fact that more people become computer literate every day speaks volumes to the method behind Microsofts madness.
I'm really not a fan of the whole 'app / mobile accessibility on your laptop because lot's of people come to PC's from being only mobile users' though.. My father in law uses his PC in the default tiled mode and when I was helping him do a few things and changed it, he didn't even know desktop existed and wanted his damn tiles back!
Big coloured buttons we can touch oooo shiney.
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