Hey guys...... The Race was scheduled to start at 22:00hrs GMT; I try to get connected now at 21:30 GMT and the race is already started it says and won't let me connect. What's going on here? :o :o
Hawk.
Quote from: Hawk on November 13, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
Hey guys...... The Race was scheduled to start at 22:00hrs GMT; I try to get connected now at 21:30 GMT and the race is already started it says and won't let me connect. What's going on here? :o :o
Hawk.
Lol have we misread that it says 22.00 + 1 GMT? that means 22 CET maybe?
A timer would have been a good idea when there is so many people from a few different time zones. Just an idea for next race :)
Quote from: Meyer#12 on November 13, 2016, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: Hawk on November 13, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
Hey guys...... The Race was scheduled to start at 22:00hrs GMT; I try to get connected now at 21:30 GMT and the race is already started it says and won't let me connect. What's going on here? :o :o
Hawk.
Lol have we misread that it says 22.00 + 1 GMT? that means 22 CET maybe?
A timer would have been a good idea when there is so many people from a few different time zones. Just an idea for next race :)
Oh crap... forgot about that +1. That would make it 21:00hrs GMT...... Oh well.... Sorry for the mistake in time guys.... Would've been good to take part.
Sorry guys.
I agree Meyer. A countdown timer probably would've made us realise the mistake. ;)
Hawk.
Hey I got told at 7.15 that qually was at 7.30 and had to reset the server, then got told no, it is practice at 9 then guid didn not work so could not get on my own fricken server lol
DD
Quote from: doubledragoncc on November 13, 2016, 10:16:46 PM
Hey I got told at 7.15 that qually was at 7.30 and had to reset the server, then got told no, it is practice at 9 then guid didn not work so could not get on my own fricken server lol
DD
ROFL! ;D
I saw your live stream DD.... We did try to tell BES that a full grid would create issues, but did we get listened too? Noooo..... Obviously someone thought they knew better. :P
Don't blame you at all for stopping the live stream DD, it was just impossible to follow the race with it keep on going back to the start/finish straight cam half way round the track each lap. Shame because the live stream quality was great! ;D
Hawk.
Quote from: Hawk on November 14, 2016, 12:52:50 AM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on November 13, 2016, 10:16:46 PM
Hey I got told at 7.15 that qually was at 7.30 and had to reset the server, then got told no, it is practice at 9 then guid didn not work so could not get on my own fricken server lol
DD
ROFL! ;D
I saw your live stream DD.... We did try to tell BES that a full grid would create issues, but did we get listened too? Noooo..... Obviously someone thought they knew better. :P
Don't blame you at all for stopping the live stream DD, it was just impossible to follow the race with it keep on going back to the start/finish straight cam half way round the track each lap. Shame because the live stream quality was great! ;D
Hawk.
The BES account make confusion here... this event is created from
a just member of the BES not the full team.
Personally I do not know anything about this championship as almost all members of the BES team.
The organizer did not involve any of us.
Well I am sorry but the race organization was CRAP!!!
It looks shite with all the same bikes and riders and make GPB look like it has only what it actually has ONE paint for rider and bike!!!!
I can not tell who the fuck is who by a little fickin round blob on the head of the rider and frickin remember who it is as the numbers on the bikes are toooooo small and not a good style.
I got told 15mins before the qually should start and given the whitelist that did not work at the same time. Then I was told it is another time to start after asking WTF!!!!
There is no consideration of the rider in ths championship, and yes if I dont like it I can leave I know, oh I am so scared of the boss, oh but wait I cant leave, its my fucking server and I have to sit here for hours doing all the work to make sure guys can ride even if it is a piss poor organized and stupid ruled race!!!!
This is a COMMUNITY not a bloody dictatorship!!! PLEASE respect the other members and consider their wishes.
DD
?? What??
you never see a promotional category? you never see RedBull rookies cup? or Movistar cup? all riders are whit the same suit and livery on bikes..Whats your problem?U need use better words for talk about BES just for respect, the same respect i have for you.....
Jorge
Jorge, I got a lot of respect m8, but you can not always use real life things and then expect it to work in a sim. If you want to do this then you have to consider a few point.
If you want to use same paint that is fine but you need to make the numbers bigger and use a style that is easy to read, plus make it so there are maybe 9 different colors plus white and black to the numbers so that it breaks up number groups 10's white, 20's red, 30's, green etc makes it easier for the streamer to recognize the rider.
Put the riders number BIG on the back hump to be recognized from behind for riders and streamer.
You still have your paints but now we can all see who is who easier!!!
Ensure whitelist is right and all guid numbers are correct, only the number 0(zero) no O(letter)
Race time is same each week. FP4 is 20.00 (8PM) London Time
Make sure that the track has no errors with cams if possible before the race. We can hold test races on the server most nights!!!!!
Sorry but it dont take that much to make it work better. Sunday was a disaster in many ways
24 riders is too much with the netcode as it is!!! MY GPB had problems and at one point froze my PC with too many stop starts of server and GPB with bad netcode.
You HAVE to be realistic and not stubborn about your rules or the whole championship will be nothing more than frustration and trouble.
PLEASE think about this with a logical attitude. I am talking reality of GPB not what you want to have
DD
i don't really know if it worth it making such championship (with 24 rider) with the core exe, may be wait for Beta 10 ?, anyway had core exe 1 min 30 before race, the time i could get into gpb agaiin the race already start ! i know i 'm a totaly noob and i need lot of practice to be competitive in such a race but i would love to participate ! at least wait just a few minute before start or make a poll restart when somebody is still not in the start line ! anyways the qualy and practice was just fun, sorry for some guys i disturb on qualy due to my incredible number of crash hihihi, this front tyre is just awesomely easy to loose !
Quote from: poumpouny on November 14, 2016, 12:32:02 PM
i don't really know if it worth it making such championship (with 24 rider) with the core exe, may be wait for Beta 10 ?, anyway had core exe 1 min 30 before race, the time i could get into gpb agaiin the race already start ! i know i 'm a totaly noob and i need lot of practice to be competitive in such a race but i would love to participate ! at least wait just a few minute before start or make a poll restart when somebody is still not in the start line ! anyways the qualy and practice was just fun, sorry for some guys i disturb on qualy due to my incredible number of crash hihihi, this front tyre is just awesomely easy to loose !
I'm agree with make a quick poll just typing ready or rdy each rider 1 minute before ride. In the actual state of developing core exe fail should be taken as a mechanical failure.
We are working right now to fix front tyre unpredictability.
@doubledragoncc If you want a better streaming you should ask for what you need for it before the race and don't complain after. If you want change anything in all that 40 skins send me a PM. But please don't f... with that here, that way you won't get anything good. I don't want to be rude with you but the championship rules about the skins are clear, it's a monobrand promotional tournament. The next championship will be full skinning open.
Thanks paco
If I get time can I add numbers to suit and bikes to show you what I mean ok
DD
Quote from: doubledragoncc on November 14, 2016, 02:09:50 PM
Thanks paco
If I get time can I add numbers to suit and bikes to show you what I mean ok
DD
I used my personal suit ... it was a rule too stupid for me. A streaming race with all riders identical...genius. ::)
Quote from: Blackheart on November 14, 2016, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on November 14, 2016, 02:09:50 PM
Thanks paco
If I get time can I add numbers to suit and bikes to show you what I mean ok
DD
I used my personal suit ... it was a rule too stupid for me. A streaming race with all riders identical...genius.(Do you really think we made a championship for a 3 people streaming?)
I know it could be stupid for you, ok, but it's a rule. It's simple. I think marihuana penalisation it's so stupid but I don't go to the policeman and smoke in front of him. I don't want to be arguing until the end of the championship with the same things. Please respect the the rules.
In the info of the championship before registration we said: SKINS WILL BE PROVIDED BY ORGANISATION BECAUSE OF THE KIND OF CHAMPIONSHIP(MONOBRAND).
I think it is very simple. Just race and enjoy. This is not the last championship. It's a small and quick championship and we thought to make it that way. As I said in previous post, the next championships will be skins open and for sure we will improve a lot of things.
[stability issues]
I came from MXB. I Know better than anyone what pib's netcode issues can do for us in with more than 15 people(ask to geofanatec), In my opinion the race was so stable(comparing with my last year experience). No one will be core error proof until piboso fix the netcode. I repeat, core.exe will be taken as mechanical failure.
So if they are sponsored for the race, where is my cut for providing the server lol
I think it has taken the personal feel out of the racing and that is what GPB is all about, sorry but making such rules just because there might be real races like it is pretty sad. It is obvious that some are not happy and that is what needs to be thought about, not have an attitude where you say "if you dont like it you can leave" that is being selfish to other members and something that could split the community. I am only trying to be practical in my thinking.
I am really busy but I will try to do some edits to the default paints to keep in the rules but give us all a bit of being, it is only fair that there should be compromises made.
Put it this way, I find it damn insulting to be told, "if you dont like it leave". I have not turned around a said the same about using my servers and asking for certain rules to be abidded by or that you make it so I can actually tell who is who when I take the time and effort to stream a race!!!
DD
EDIT:
[stability issues]
I came from MXB. I Know better than anyone what pib's netcode issues can do for us in with more than 15 people(ask to geofanatec), In my opinion the race was so stable(comparing with my last year experience). No one will be core error proof until piboso fix the netcode. I repeat, core.exe will be taken as mechanical failure.
Seriously!!! Mechanical error??? And when I get a core because there are too many on the server, the stream is ruined and it can also cause a Windows crash as actually happened on Sunday because I had to stop start the servers and upset Windows. When that happens the server goes down!!!!
So basically you want to be obstinate at the risk of ruining everyone's race just because YOU WANT rules to be followed and refuse to follow the rule of thumb that more than 15 bikes makes online unstable!!!! THAT is totally selfish towards the entire community!!!
Quote from: pacopastor34 on November 14, 2016, 05:12:41 PM
[stability issues]
I came from MXB. I Know better than anyone what pib's netcode issues can do for us in with more than 15 people(ask to geofanatec), In my opinion the race was so stable(comparing with my last year experience). No one will be core error proof until piboso fix the netcode. I repeat, core.exe will be taken as mechanical failure.
Having made that quoted statement above then you should be willing to listen to those of us in GPB who have years more experience in running GPB servers than any MXB server host, and knows what will and won't work in GPB. ;)
I knew for a start you'd have issues with core.exe crashes and live streaming issues with a full race grid(btw, nothing wrong with the track cams guys). In fact I did post advice way before the event that a full grid was asking for instability troubles; the reality is that you got away with it more than you should've on the night, in that many more riders were likely to have had problems not only with core.exe crashes but in just not being able to connect to the server itself - you were very lucky in that sense in yesterdays event, but if I was you I wouldn't bank on being so lucky if you continue with a full grid for the other events in the championship. :)
My advice for what it's worth:
- Reduce the competitors down to 12 - 18 riders MAX for each race session(hold two race sessions if you want for each event/race), making sure to reset the server before and after each event. This of course doesn't guarantee total stability but will give the best chance for an issue free nights racing. :)
- Hold a server stress test for each event(track) with the full grid together with a slot for DD's live stream, as different tracks effect the server stability in different ways. That's not to say it's a track issue but just a quirk of the unstable netcode right now.
- Listen to what DD is advising you for what he needs to do a quality live stream event. That's his job and he knows best.
- If you think I'm poking my nose in were it's not wanted then just tell me to mind my own business and stay out of this discussion. I'm easy either way. ;) 8)
I tend to be a straight talker much like DD, and like DD, I'm just trying to help, so don't take all this the wrong way guys. We all want you to succeed in this venture, so all due respect to you in co-ordination with BES for putting on these championships. 8)
Hawk.
+10 to what Hawky said.
We are not being funny or acting as know it alls, we are trying to help YOU.
Our advice is from experience and not pure guessing.
I know MY servers and if you want to use them I know the limitations of them. If my servers are not good enough for you I suggest you get your sponsors to pay for one.
Until I can afford to finish building a dedicated system for the servers I am stuck with what I have. The next few sales of my systems should cover the cost with luck.
DD
What a load of bollocks.. Can we not just ''Race'' here?? ??? The game is still broken online........... why bother with streaming and everything else?? it looks shit anyway lol lets just race!!! :P
Thanks BOBPPPPPPPPPP I at least try to promote GPB that is what the streaming is about and for those that cant race!!!!
DD
Yeah it's not a dig at you personally DD!
Id just like to see some races happening without all the fuss...
Well I am working on hooking up with another guy who does YouTube and we will be doing some good championships and races including an endurance race series when I finalize how to do it right.
DD
Sounds great! 8) It's cool on any racer to have streaming and commentary etc but that would end in tears with GPB at the moment. We all know it! lol. Is that what piboso was doing? fixing all the online stability stuff?
restrict the races to 10 riders and no fuss will happen. Only few cores here and there.
Its all we have now until netcode is fixed. Many years suffering with big events, its always the same.
I thank people putting effort on big race events, love them, love racing trying to get a single point for the championship, but GPB is broken guys....no chance yet.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 14, 2016, 09:51:19 PM
Sounds great! 8) It's cool on any racer to have streaming and commentary etc but that would end in tears with GPB at the moment. We all know it! lol. Is that what piboso was doing? fixing all the online stability stuff?
Bob, what you talking about mate? Streaming of events has been done in the past very successfully, and DD has now got the quality of the stream running excellently. So to say it's all a "
load of bollocks and the live stream is shit anyway" just shows how much attention, or lack of, that you have been paying to the subject.
There is no reason live streaming cannot be done very successfully if the event organiser is sensible about the number of competitors that take part in the race, just the same as the stability of the netcode can be good so long as the organiser is sensible about the max number of competitors that take part...... So why all this talk of it all being a load of bollocks? I really don't understand your stance sometimes mate. :-\
If you personally don't care about live streaming then fine, but others do care about it. Also bear in mind that live streaming is or will certainly be a massive promotional tool for GPB in the future, and that's a fact and can only be a good thing for all the GPB community. :)
In answer to your question: Yes Piboso is now
fully concentrating on fixing the netcode instability issues(or was until his recent health issues. He's taking time out right now to get well)..... Were have you been this last month or so that you didn't know that? LOL! :o ;D
Hawk.
Quote from: Hawk on November 14, 2016, 07:45:53 PM
Quote from: pacopastor34 on November 14, 2016, 05:12:41 PM
[stability issues]
I came from MXB. I Know better than anyone what pib's netcode issues can do for us in with more than 15 people(ask to geofanatec), In my opinion the race was so stable(comparing with my last year experience). No one will be core error proof until piboso fix the netcode. I repeat, core.exe will be taken as mechanical failure.
Having made that quoted statement above then you should be willing to listen to those of us in GPB who have years more experience in running GPB servers than any MXB server host, and knows what will and won't work in GPB. ;)
I knew for a start you'd have issues with core.exe crashes and live streaming issues with a full race grid(btw, nothing wrong with the track cams guys). In fact I did post advice way before the event that a full grid was asking for instability troubles; the reality is that you got away with it more than you should've on the night, in that many more riders were likely to have had problems not only with core.exe crashes but in just not being able to connect to the server itself - you were very lucky in that sense in yesterdays event, but if I was you I wouldn't bank on being so lucky if you continue with a full grid for the other events in the championship. :)
My advice for what it's worth:
- Reduce the competitors down to 12 - 18 riders MAX for each race session(hold two race sessions if you want for each event/race), making sure to reset the server before and after each event. This of course doesn't guarantee total stability but will give the best chance for an issue free nights racing. :)
- Hold a server stress test for each event(track) with the full grid together with a slot for DD's live stream, as different tracks effect the server stability in different ways. That's not to say it's a track issue but just a quirk of the unstable netcode right now.
- Listen to what DD is advising you for what he needs to do a quality live stream event. That's his job and he knows best.
- If you think I'm poking my nose in were it's not wanted then just tell me to mind my own business and stay out of this discussion. I'm easy either way. ;) 8)
I tend to be a straight talker much like DD, and like DD, I'm just trying to help, so don't take all this the wrong way guys. We all want you to succeed in this venture, so all due respect to you in co-ordination with BES for putting on these championships. 8)
Hawk.
My opinion was always to do 2 races not only because of the stability(I wanted to don't leave outside anyone)I'm always willing to be helped. Maybe I misunderstood some words of DD's post.That's not my own language and I'm doing my best. I'm willing to help DD with riders recognition. I only said that it would be better sending a PM to someone of the team.
Your nose is where it has to be. Don't worry. I hope to see you on the next race.
P.S: Hoe many riders got a core in last race? Could you tell me please? 3 of 20?
Quote from: Hawk on November 15, 2016, 12:45:59 AM
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 14, 2016, 09:51:19 PM
Sounds great! 8) It's cool on any racer to have streaming and commentary etc but that would end in tears with GPB at the moment. We all know it! lol. Is that what piboso was doing? fixing all the online stability stuff?
Bob, what you talking about mate? Streaming of events has been done in the past very successfully, and DD has now got the quality of the stream running excellently. So to say it's all a "load of bollocks and the live stream is shit anyway" just shows how much attention, or lack of, that you have been paying to the subject.
There is no reason live streaming cannot be done very successfully if the event organiser is sensible about the number of competitors that take part in the race, just the same as the stability of the netcode can be good so long as the organiser is sensible about the max number of competitors that take part...... So why all this talk of it all being a load of bollocks? I really don't understand your stance sometimes mate. :-\
If you personally don't care about live streaming then fine, but others do care about it. Also bear in mind that live streaming is or will certainly be a massive promotional tool for GPB in the future, and that's a fact and can only be a good thing for all the GPB community. :)
In answer to your question: Yes Piboso is now fully concentrating on fixing the netcode instability issues(or was until his recent health issues. He's taking time out right now to get well)..... Were have you been this last month or so that you didn't know that? LOL! :o ;D
Hawk.
Woahh lol... Scroll back up the page, That's not what i said! ;D
I think you take me too seriously lol. That's the trouble with typing lol.
Although... What this thread is turning into now, is a good example of what im saying lol
I LIKE the streaming and all that stuff.. The problem is GPB... i have been following and i read about the decisions on netcode etc etc ;)
So i don't understand why every race needs to be hyped up so much at the moment, that's all :) always ends up with somebody being pissed off for whatever reason lol ;D ;D
I agree with Warlocks post too!
@paco............P.S: Hoe many riders got a core in last race? Could you tell me please? 3 of 20?
I think you will find over half the guys got cores, I had 2 and so did others I think. Point is that in reality 15 is the max for a good amount of riders with good stability.
Test need to be done now I have finished uploading vids to YT lol. My servers were down due to it on Monday and the CUP server got killed by it sorry guys but it is part of my living.
DD
i got 3 core ! 1 during practice, and 2 during qually !
Quote from: doubledragoncc on November 15, 2016, 09:47:59 AM
@paco............P.S: Hoe many riders got a core in last race? Could you tell me please? 3 of 20?
I think you will find over half the guys got cores, I had 2 and so did others I think. Point is that in reality 15 is the max for a good amount of riders with good stability.
Test need to be done now I have finished uploading vids to YT lol. My servers were down due to it on Monday and the CUP server got killed by it sorry guys but it is part of my living.
DD
No problem for that. Is your work. As soon I get home I'll send you a PM with some changes about the races and I would like you tell me all what you need for a better streaming. The next races will be split.
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 15, 2016, 01:39:51 AM
Woahh lol... Scroll back up the page, That's not what i said! ;D
I think you take me too seriously lol. That's the trouble with typing lol.
Although... What this thread is turning into now, is a good example of what im saying lol
I LIKE the streaming and all that stuff.. The problem is GPB... i have been following and i read about the decisions on netcode etc etc ;)
So i don't understand why every race needs to be hyped up so much at the moment, that's all :) always ends up with somebody being pissed off for whatever reason lol ;D ;D
I agree with Warlocks post too!
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 14, 2016, 08:12:24 PM
What a load of bollocks.. Can we not just ''Race'' here?? ??? The game is still broken online........... why bother with streaming and everything else?? it looks shit anyway lol lets just race!!! :P
Lol Bob, what are you like man..... Here's your post quoted above, and it looks to me like that's exactly what you said. Lol. :)
But yeah your so right mate that just typing what you want to say can easily lead to misunderstandings, and if I misunderstood you then I apologise mate, but looking at that post I don't think you could blame me for any misunderstanding of what you really wanted to express surely? ;D
But regarding all the fuss or hype about these things: If you want to get things right without any issues arises during events then sometimes you have to create a fuss to get things sorted, otherwise if everyone just excepts all the problems that happen then they will never be solved...... It's not done or meant to be disrespectful in any way, it's done to help keep whatever the fuss is about running smoothly without hiccups as much as possible, or we'd always be entering events that went tits-up and then everyone would get frustrated and start saying that GPB is crap, etc, etc when in actual fact it's down to good organisation and co-ordination with the right people to do the right job. It not as simple as just setting up a server and off you go racing, I wish it was! ;D
But yeah, all is cool mate. ;) 8)
Hawk.
Well to me.. all the bouncing bikes, lag, and all the other GPB problems live streaming captures.. looks shit! lol sorry :-\
Main point is that we all know the issues.. but we do it anyway! Then when things don't go to plan.. it's the same old story on the forum.
Im not keen on this :-
QuoteBob, what you talking about mate? Streaming of events has been done in the past very successfully, and DD has now got the quality of the stream running excellently. So to say it's all a "load of bollocks and the live stream is shit anyway" just shows how much attention, or lack of, that you have been paying to the subject.
If you are going to quote me... don't twist my words. :-\
And il say this again! ;D
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 14, 2016, 08:12:24 PM
What a load of bollocks.. Can we not just ''Race'' here?? ??? The game is still broken online........... why bother with streaming and everything else?? it looks shit anyway lol lets just race!!! :P
The ''load of bollocks'' comment.. is just me being me! Referring to this thread....... after guess what!??! Another race event that didn't go well.
Gotta disagree BOBPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Here is a vid of a live stream test with about 14 on the server, ok, only 8 on track but never had BAD shitty issues!!!
https://www.youtube.com/v/7gHp9UduPdY
As for quality sorry me lappy only has a GTX670M and is running 8 servers!!!
DD
Sorry Bob if you thought I was twisting your words.... I personally thought I kept your quote well within context to which it was said myself. But my apologies if you thought otherwise. If there is a next time I'll make a note of quoting all your original post so there can be no debate about what's been said. ;) 8)
Hawk.
So this time race started 5 min before time so i didn't manage to get on? it was calculated that i would just have time to get on, but as race started too early, i couldn't join..
I will be out of this championship as it obviously won't work out with both our CAWS test races and the championship
Quote from: Meyer#12 on November 20, 2016, 09:00:50 PM
So this time race started 5 min before time so i didn't manage to get on? it was calculated that i would just have time to get on, but as race started too early, i couldn't join..
I will be out of this championship as it obviously won't work out with both our CAWS test races and the championship
Same here mate.... I'm out of these champs too now... Had enough.
Hawk.
dont know why they started it early. I set the server up but they were meant to control it and did not even get a white list for the server!!!
I had to give up as my stitches are bloody killin me just being on the couch not lol. I streamed it but it was a shite race for me.
DD