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Title: [Old] WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 14, 2017, 08:49:27 pm
Riders, here You can put yours comment/suggestion and all you think about MV Agusta F4 RC (spec WSBK 2017)
All team thank you for your contribute
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 14, 2017, 09:03:28 pm
Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 14, 2017, 09:33:18 pm
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 14, 2017, 09:03:12 pm
Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...


Sorry but this report is useless.  ::)

The lean angle is correct, And you can make 1:30 to Victoria with both the bikes.

Check the tyres temp, the optimal is 90° for the front and 95° for post tyres, obviously with a difference of about +/-5 °
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: HornetMaX on February 14, 2017, 10:03:44 pm
Both bikes looks nice !

One question: why the 1st person view is so different between them ? The MV windshield is twice as wide as the Ducati one in 1st person view ?!
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Toomes1 on February 14, 2017, 11:02:08 pm
Very well done mod team, lean angle seems ok for me, speed too have to agree with Max on the difference between 1p view. Other than that I shall keep my mouth shut and say thankyou for your hard work it's much appreciated my end.

Very positive work guys and a pleasure to ride.

Ah...can you make the riders suit to match please.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 14, 2017, 11:03:05 pm
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 14, 2017, 10:03:44 pm
Both bikes looks nice !

One question: why the 1st person view is so different between them ? The MV windshield is twice as wide as the Ducati one in 1st person view ?!


Need check this, probably they were mistakenly tested with 2 different fov settings.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 15, 2017, 12:44:02 am
Quote from: Toomes1 on February 14, 2017, 11:02:08 pm
Very well done mod team, lean angle seems ok for me, speed too have to agree with Max on the difference between 1p view. Other than that I shall keep my mouth shut and say thankyou for your hard work it's much appreciated my end.

Very positive work guys and a pleasure to ride.

Ah...can you make the riders suit to match please.


Thx for the feedback.

Suits and helmets are a big work, (atm just a guy works on graphics stuff) maybe when all bikes will be completed  ;)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: doubledragoncc on February 15, 2017, 10:58:16 am
You NEED to ship bikes with ONE pnt file to allow other paint or it will look boring on the track with others

I love these bikes but for online we need to be able to add a number at least lol

Great work guys

DD
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 15, 2017, 01:35:22 pm
Quote from: doubledragoncc on February 15, 2017, 10:58:16 am
You NEED to ship bikes with ONE pnt file to allow other paint or it will look boring on the track with others

I love these bikes but for online we need to be able to add a number at least lol

Great work guys

DD


The mod use just official liveries,  for fantasy skins there are several other mods.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Nismo on February 15, 2017, 01:43:29 pm
Is that normal?
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 15, 2017, 01:52:07 pm
Quote from: Nismo on February 15, 2017, 01:43:29 pm
Is that normal?


Yes, it is.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 15, 2017, 02:29:02 pm
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 14, 2017, 09:33:18 pm
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 14, 2017, 09:03:12 pm
Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...


Sorry but this report is useless.  ::)

The lean angle is correct, And you can make 1:30 to Victoria with both the bikes.

Check the tyres temp, the optimal is 90° for the front and 95° for post tyres, obviously with a difference of about +/-5 °


Really? At Mugello you can not bring the knee down, most of the times...At least it looks like you do not... The problem is just, that between some mods are many differences. E.g. your Ducati should be faster then the 2015 WSBKs and even faster then the MotoGP bikes, on some tracks. But I am not sure if this is the case...
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 15, 2017, 02:39:11 pm
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 15, 2017, 02:29:02 pm
Really? At Mugello you can not bring the knee down, most of the times...At least it looks like you do not... The problem is just, that between some mods are many differences. E.g. your Ducati should be faster then the 2015 WSBKs and even faster then the MotoGP bikes, on some tracks. But I am not sure if this is the case...


There is the Max plugin, check the max lean angle (its about 61) is correct, the bike has real weight, tires that works with the different ambiental temp, and real engine, so u cant make comparison with a bike with -10/15 kg and fake datas, sorry.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 15, 2017, 02:46:36 pm
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 15, 2017, 02:39:11 pm
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 15, 2017, 02:29:02 pm
Really? At Mugello you can not bring the knee down, most of the times...At least it looks like you do not... The problem is just, that between some mods are many differences. E.g. your Ducati should be faster then the 2015 WSBKs and even faster then the MotoGP bikes, on some tracks. But I am not sure if this is the case...


There is the Max plugin, check the max lean angle (its about 61) is correct, the bike has real weight, tires that works with the different ambiental temp, and real engine, so u cant make comparison with a bike with -10/15 kg and fake datas, sorry.


Fake datas? Ok then...
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: davidboda46 on February 15, 2017, 03:15:09 pm
Is it possible to manually change the value of the FOV in first person in any of the cfg. files so it will be the same as the DUCATI's?

Love the DUC by the way, great job.

Cheers, 

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 15, 2017, 03:17:43 pm
Quote from: davidboda46 on February 15, 2017, 03:15:09 pm
Is it possible to manually change the value of the FOV in first person in any of the cfg. files so it will be the same as the DUCATI's?

Love the DUC by the way, great job.

Cheers, 

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46


Thx,

Yes HERE (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4626.0) there is the changelog (It will be updated soon) with the next updates.  ;)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: tchemi on February 15, 2017, 11:26:06 pm
Hey guys, just tested this bike and here are my feelings / reports

Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 14, 2017, 09:03:28 pm
Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...


I understand now. It's just the default setting that makes that bike understeer a lot. I set the rear suspension one click stiffer and one click higher in bump. Now it feels like any other bike +/- and it is enjoyable. Also, now I can up the front wheel what was unpossible with the default settings

The brakes may be a little too weak. I'm used to always put the longest lever in front because I like to have a long course a better feeling. With the 20mm lever I can squizz the brake from 0 to 100 and the rear wheel doesn't take off at all. Maybe default brake settings are not strong enough, or is it a new feature that requires brakes to heat before they are optimum ?? (JK)

edit :
When reving the enging, there like a two step sound when going down to idle. The sound drops and make something like a step or a jump up, and then redrop to idle. strange...

Also, the backfire sound is AWE...SOME !

Apart from that, that's a nice bike !

With completly different feelings, I have quite the same times with the ducati, the MV the KTM and the yamaha. All my tests are made in misano, 1p.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 16, 2017, 12:13:17 am
@tchemi

There's a lot of stuff here  ;D

So, about the setup; of course the feeling change from person to person, the default setup is not a 'best' setup for everyone, in the team we have different styles, so we have to find a compromise with the default setup that is acceptable to everyone.

For the brakes in the mv are only slightly weaker, but having a different geometry probably seem much weaker.

The sounds probably in the future they will be improved a bit.

thx for the feedback  ;)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: lkslodzkzn on February 16, 2017, 09:54:17 am
Hi Guys the first person view is really weird ;P it's "stretched" as hell:P but finally good works cheers.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 16, 2017, 12:19:00 pm
Quote from: lkslodzkzn on February 16, 2017, 09:54:17 am
Hi Guys the first person view is really weird ;P it's "stretched" as hell:P but finally good works cheers.


Again? Why you guys not read nothing?! HERE! (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4626.0)

:-X
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 16, 2017, 03:02:38 pm
Quote from: tchemi on February 15, 2017, 11:26:06 pm
Hey guys, just tested this bike and here are my feelings / reports

Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 14, 2017, 09:03:28 pm
Not enough lean angle and not fast enough...


I understand now. It's just the default setting that makes that bike understeer a lot. I set the rear suspension one click stiffer and one click higher in bump. Now it feels like any other bike +/- and it is enjoyable. Also, now I can up the front wheel what was unpossible with the default settings

The brakes may be a little too weak. I'm used to always put the longest lever in front because I like to have a long course a better feeling. With the 20mm lever I can squizz the brake from 0 to 100 and the rear wheel doesn't take off at all. Maybe default brake settings are not strong enough, or is it a new feature that requires brakes to heat before they are optimum ?? (JK)

edit :
When reving the enging, there like a two step sound when going down to idle. The sound drops and make something like a step or a jump up, and then redrop to idle. strange...

Also, the backfire sound is AWE...SOME !

Apart from that, that's a nice bike !

With completly different feelings, I have quite the same times with the ducati, the MV the KTM and the yamaha. All my tests are made in misano, 1p.


I will try it out, thanks :)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: PeterV on February 18, 2017, 03:14:06 pm
Great bike, very well done. Graphicly stunning.
Need some more time too ride it but it feels good riding it, although it has some understeer at default setup.
Tyre temps, you saud they where oke but on default the front temp go towards 75-80 and the rear is around 50-55

I have two things i would like to address:

1. Antiwheelie on 0, its hard to get the bike too wheelie dont understand why? Full throttle in 1st gear it wont pull a wheelie?  (dont know if it belongs too the clutch related fix)
2. the pitlimiter indication, can that be put in the very good looking dashboard? Like an L on the display when activated?
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 18, 2017, 03:42:12 pm
Quote from: PeterV on February 18, 2017, 03:14:06 pm
Great bike, very well done. Graphicly stunning.
Need some more time too ride it but it feels good riding it, although it has some understeer at default setup.
Tyre temps, you saud they where oke but on default the front temp go towards 75-80 and the rear is around 50-55

I have two things i would like to address:

1. Antiwheelie on 0, its hard to get the bike too wheelie dont understand why? Full throttle in 1st gear it wont pull a wheelie?  (dont know if it belongs too the clutch related fix)
2. the pitlimiter indication, can that be put in the very good looking dashboard? Like an L on the display when activated?


Need more info for the tires, what tire? What track temp? I never see 50-55 on the back with the right tires...

1_Need check this.
2_The dashboard is just temporary, will completely change the 3D model and textures. (dunno if in the next update will be ready)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: PeterV on February 18, 2017, 04:04:36 pm
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on February 18, 2017, 03:42:12 pm


Need more info for the tires, what tire? What track temp? I never see 50-55 on the back with the right tires...


Temperatures of the track are Air 22c and track surface 34c.
The tires are just the default ones its setup with no alterations too pressure.
And what you mean with the right tires? its not that i changed the model or tire data, i use whats there for the bike.

Thx for youre answer.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 18, 2017, 04:33:45 pm
Because, the tires are all different. Anyway need some fix at low temp.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Jose Reina on February 18, 2017, 10:42:16 pm
Very nice bike man ;)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 18, 2017, 11:37:17 pm
Quote from: Jose Reina on February 18, 2017, 10:42:16 pm
Very nice bike man ;)


Josè, we are 3 italian guys; a guy works on the phisics, a guys for the sounds/3d/2d stuff and a fast rider as tester.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: tchemi on February 20, 2017, 09:19:28 am
Hey PeterV
Quote from: PeterV on February 18, 2017, 03:14:06 pm
1. Antiwheelie on 0, its hard to get the bike too wheelie dont understand why? Full throttle in 1st gear it wont pull a wheelie?  (dont know if it belongs too the clutch related fix)


Quote from: tchemi on February 15, 2017, 11:26:06 pm
I understand now. It's just the default setting that makes that bike understeer a lot. I set the rear suspension one click stiffer and one click higher in bump. Now it feels like any other bike +/- and it is enjoyable. Also, now I can up the front wheel what was unpossible with the default settings


It is not very clear, but for me, "up the front whell" means pull a whellie. I had the same feeling and I managed to do it with settings. Yes, the default setting make it very (too much) stable, very easy to ride but difficult to make "wheelings". Just play with the rear suspension settings. It will then act like any other bike.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: nurb on February 22, 2017, 09:18:39 pm
I did find out that it wheelies alot faster if you change the ecu from race to qualy ecu. Hope that helps
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 22, 2017, 09:32:59 pm
Quote from: nurb on February 22, 2017, 09:18:39 pm
I did find out that it wheelies alot faster if you change the ecu from race to qualy ecu. Hope that helps


And also the TCS matters. If you turn that completely off, you wheelie like crazy.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 22, 2017, 09:35:15 pm
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 22, 2017, 09:32:59 pm
Quote from: nurb on February 22, 2017, 09:18:39 pm
I did find out that it wheelies alot faster if you change the ecu from race to qualy ecu. Hope that helps


And also the TCS matters. If you turn that completely off, you wheelie like crazy.


Tires, tcs, clutch and some aids are heavily modded for the next version with the Aprilia (also the bugs are fixed).
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on February 22, 2017, 09:37:37 pm
Nice. Got to say, after working with the setups of the bikes, they are very nice :)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: tchemi on March 03, 2017, 06:06:17 pm
Hello.

I just saw that when you are turning the steering on the right, the left arm of the pilot goes through the windshield.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Eagle on March 05, 2017, 12:34:18 pm
Just tested this mod. Seemed too easy to handle for a liter bike. Surprisingly, unless I willingly ran straight into a wall, I couldn't fall from it; and I tried! While it felt pretty good to ride a godly stable bike, I guess there's room for improvements on making it behave like the real thing. Anyway, glad to see the community is still working harder than ever to expand GPBikes. Gotta try out the other brands and categories!

By the way, are those engine samples placeholders? Except the idle one, all of them sound familiar to me. :P
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on March 05, 2017, 01:10:23 pm
Quote from: Wh1t34Gl3(SAS) on March 05, 2017, 12:34:18 pm
Just tested this mod. Seemed too easy to handle for a liter bike. Surprisingly, unless I willingly ran straight into a wall, I couldn't fall from it; and I tried! While it felt pretty good to ride a godly stable bike, I guess there's room for improvements on making it behave like the real thing.


I'd be curious to know your more fast lap, for example Victoria? The MV is more easy of the other bikes but the data are very similar to the real one.

Simplifying a lot:

MV = Very stable, less power
Pani = less stable, very powerful
RSV4 = Good stability, Good power

All maps and phisics are from the IMT team, the MV sounds are a Mix from real bike sounds and some TDU samples.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Eagle on March 05, 2017, 01:44:04 pm
Hem... I haven't checked the lap time, I was too carried away from how smooth it felt to drive it... Ha ha.
I'm no motorcyclist, but it seemed odd to me that such bikes are this forgiving. Even without electronics, it's so stable you can't just believe you are riding a liter sportive! If I recall right, I also noticed the aerodynamics stomp the front on track, similarly to the H2R. I think it's more noticeable when actually flying off the road.  :P

Hah, I knew I recognized the ZX-10r and ZX-12r samples! They did a pretty good job recording those. Hopefully Atari doesn't mind much. ::)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on March 05, 2017, 01:56:09 pm
Quote from: Wh1t34Gl3(SAS) on March 05, 2017, 01:44:04 pm
Hem... I haven't checked the lap time, I was too carried away from how smooth it felt to drive it... Ha ha.
I'm no motorcyclist, but it seemed odd to me that such bikes are this forgiving. Even without electronics, it's so stable you can't just believe you are riding a liter sportive! If I recall right, I also noticed the aerodynamics stomp the front on track, similarly to the H2R. I think it's more noticeable when actually flying off the road.  :P

Hah, I knew I recognized the ZX-10r and ZX-12r samples! They did a pretty good job recording those. Hopefully Atari doesn't mind much. ::)


The phisics man here ride in real life so...  ;D

The samples of the Murasama are the same of TDU so... at least in MV have been modified.  :P
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: Eagle on March 06, 2017, 01:14:09 am
Sounds good then! And yes, I have already pointed out about the RC211V's samples, but I never had the confirmation from PiBoSo about the use of the source content in GPBikes; pretty much why I only temporarily kept publicly my configurations for V2 and Flatplane Inline 4 on my Mega cloud storage. The audio domain in racing games is a delicate task. It needs a considerable amount of money, people willing to lend their vehicles and dynos for few hours per car/bike, silent surroundings and some knowledge to record the samples correctly. Aside from this common professional method coupled with the kind of system GPBikes uses for seamlessly transitioning between samples, there's only an highly programmatic driven audio simulation that could reproduce engine sounds to some extent, but I doubt PiBoSo will ever dig in such a puzzling task, given the amount of projects he is working on, the pace at which they update and these lasts' focus. At the end and sadly, the community is bound to use either cheap samples or rip from commercial games (TDU1 seems in a grey area to me), unless someone finds a way to realize that first option. Though, I can't talk for the Moto2 set, as I have no idea where those samples come from. They sound pretty clean.
If you are interested, I can send you my V2, Flatplane I3/I4 configurations as placeholders the time you get new sounds operational. I think only the I3 needs a bit of tweaking on low revs to be seamless.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 MV Agusta F4 RC - comment/suggestion
Post by: vali_grad on May 09, 2017, 08:21:34 pm
fell in love with this bike while playing Super-Bikes Riding Challenge (another Milestone trial&error ) (http://www.gry-online.pl/galeria/gry13/97903078.jpg)
I'm glad you too like ferraris on 2 wheels  ;D 
F4 model shadows even the panigale, an obscene bike to ride .
It wants to fly high, you need a pair of wings and could qualify for DCS as a light fighter trainer =)))  Albatros L-39 watch out !!!
11 years from that game, wish come true .
thank you !  8)