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Title: [Old] WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on February 28, 2017, 09:41:19 PM
Riders, here You can put yours comment/suggestion and all you think about Aprilia RSV4 RF (spec WSBK 2017)
All team thank you for your contribute.

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Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: davidboda46 on March 02, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
Sticker free windshield option, that is what I would like to see. I am all for realism, so a windshield with correct stickers is ok, but I wish there was an alternative skin that did not have them. The problem for me (because I ride in 1st person only, with EdTracker) is that when you are tucked in the stickers end up right were you want to look towards the corners apex. The effect is that every high speed corner essentially becomes a half blind one. This comment is not only for this bike but all other mod-bikes as well.

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46 
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on March 02, 2017, 12:27:19 PM
Your Its a good point, They will be removed in the onboard visual (so only inside) because they can give much trouble.  ;)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: davidboda46 on March 02, 2017, 12:32:30 PM
Thank you!  :)

Cheers,

/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: r1rossi on March 03, 2017, 02:47:25 PM
In initial test everything feels nice.

I do notice the rear suspension seems very sloppy(visually only) seems like the rear shock looks blown bouncy type
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Toomes1 on March 03, 2017, 04:46:12 PM
Thanks for this bike...first feelings- a nice bike to ride probably not as stable as the Ducati from the default settings but with different setup it's brilliant....each to the own feel....thanks.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on March 03, 2017, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: r1rossi on March 03, 2017, 02:47:25 PM
In initial test everything feels nice.

I do notice the rear suspension seems very sloppy(visually only) seems like the rear shock looks blown bouncy type

Need check this thx for the report  ;)

Quote from: Toomes1 on March 03, 2017, 04:46:12 PM
Thanks for this bike...first feelings- a nice bike to ride probably not as stable as the Ducati from the default settings but with different setup it's brilliant....each to the own feel....thanks.

Thank you for your feedback Toomes1  ;)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 03, 2017, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: Italian Mod Team on March 02, 2017, 12:27:19 PM
Your Its a good point, They will be removed in the onboard visual (so only inside) because they can give much trouble.  ;)

That should be optional. I prefer for the stickers to be there, if they are there in real life.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 06, 2017, 04:00:54 PM
One more thing: For the Aprilia, could you please slow down the rate at which the rpms drop when the bike is in Neutral gear? When revving the bike in neutral (or with the clutch disengaged), the rpms drop way too quickly. It's unrealistic in that regard. Manu's R1M has the same problem.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 07, 2017, 09:30:17 PM
One last thing: Could you make improvements to the two onboard rider views (T-Cam and Rider View)? I have attached a screenshot of the positions I would like to recommend. "Rider View" location in the screen shot corresponds to the change I have made, and which can be seen in this video below. This new view allows for a more realistic perception of track trajectories, whereas the old view made it a bit difficult to see where the bike was going on track. I have also attached the .geom file

Thanks a lot for this awesome bike.

https://www.youtube.com/v/iZok1usqFeM&feature=youtu.be


Important: The .geom file is not meant for anybody other than the Italian Mod Team. If anybody else downloads it, they will have issues riding the Aprilia online.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 07, 2017, 09:32:20 PM
Quote from: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 07, 2017, 09:30:17 PM
One last thing: Could you make improvements to the two onboard rider views (T-Cam and Rider View)? I have attached a screenshot of the positions I would like to recommend. "Rider View" location in the screen shot corresponds to the change I have made, and which can be seen in this video below. This new view allows for a more realistic perception of track trajectories, whereas the old view made it a bit difficult to see where the bike was going on track. I have also attached the .geom file

Thanks a lot for this awesome bike.

https://www.youtube.com/v/iZok1usqFeM&feature=youtu.be


Important: The .geom file is not meant for anybody other than the Italian Mod Team. If anybody else downloads it, they will have issues riding the Aprilia online.

Sorry UC but that view is for GAMES it is totally unreal and looks horrible.

DD
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 07, 2017, 09:35:19 PM
In my opinion it's a lot better. Does not deviate much from what the RC990 offers, and I absolutely LOVE the RC990.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Warlock on March 07, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
IRL you dont even see the cockpit when riding fast. only when you tuck in on straights.
With that amount of FOV i agree with DD, looks terrible.


In this pic, he only see black tarmac and white-blue of the curb
(http://www.lavanguardia.com/r/GODO/LV/p3/WebSite/2016/04/24/Recortada/AFP_9V5RC_20160422113443-kXqC-U401319040862ROB-992x558@LaVanguardia-Web.jpg)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 07, 2017, 09:55:05 PM
Have you ever riden a real bike!!! You CANT see the tank like that and it is if you have your ass on the pillion seat and the fairing is 3 feet away from you it is totally unrealist and looks shite to me lol.

You are entitled to your opinion and me to mine. I prefer realism over gamer looks.

Either that or the camera is strapped to your balls!!! LOL ;D

Sorry but the view it has now is correct for real world

DD

Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 07, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
I bet he can even see the sweet hedgehog on the grass too, but definately not see the tank

DD
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 07, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
Yes I know, but in real life your situational and environmental awareness is significantly richer. In a videogame/sim there must be sensible representations. There is a reason Piboso's GP125's, GP500's, and GP1000's 1p view is not as you describe. 

And I do possess both a CRF125F, as well as a CBR250R..
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 07, 2017, 10:12:27 PM
UC I seriously am opposed to what you ask for as it is unreal and would ruin the sim for the MAJORITY of us.

I think me 37 years and over a million miles in just a 7 year period on 2 wheels professionally, gives me a bit more experience than yourself

We want realism not kiddy gamer views

DD
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 07, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 07, 2017, 10:12:27 PM
UC I seriously am opposed to what you ask for as it is unreal and would ruin the sim for the MAJORITY of us.

Lol, you don't speak for the majority. They can speak for themselves. Anyway, it was a suggestion. You need not fear that the Italian Mod Team will change the onboard view only because I request it. It depends on what they're happy with.


Note: Take into account that my pitch and fov settings are both maxed out. All those unpleasantries you associate with my preferred view are therefore amplified.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on March 07, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
The actual views are good. There are no other changes to the position at the time. For personal preferences is possible change the fov/pitch and other parameters in the sim options.

Everyone is free to suggest everything.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 07, 2017, 10:58:17 PM
Im just bustin ya balls UC

It is actually a shame Piboso does not make the FOV and other views a bit wider in adjustability for such circumstances.

If you wish to ride with your bum on the tailpiece it is up to you, it may get a bit sore though so ask the IMT team to fit a wee bum pad for you lol

Love these bikes though and interested in the races IMT will be hosting

DD
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Warlock on March 08, 2017, 02:00:02 AM
Quote from: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 07, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
Yes I know, but in real life your situational and environmental awareness is significantly richer. In a videogame/sim there must be sensible representations. There is a reason Piboso's GP125's, GP500's, and GP1000's 1p view is not as you describe. 

And I do possess both a CRF125F, as well as a CBR250R..

https://www.youtube.com/v/MzYGbdgzEjE
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 08, 2017, 05:46:31 AM
Quote from: Warlock on March 08, 2017, 02:00:02 AM
Quote from: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 07, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
Yes I know, but in real life your situational and environmental awareness is significantly richer. In a videogame/sim there must be sensible representations. There is a reason Piboso's GP125's, GP500's, and GP1000's 1p view is not as you describe. 

And I do possess both a CRF125F, as well as a CBR250R..

https://www.youtube.com/v/MzYGbdgzEjE



https://www.youtube.com/v/-5_V--szhYY&feature=youtu.be


Primarily, the problem with Italian Mod Team's current onboard view location, is that it does not respond well to changes in pitch and FOV. Mine does.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 08, 2017, 06:36:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/-5_V--szhYY&feature=youtu.be



@Italian Mod Team: What's your current opinion on this? I feel my customization adequately accommodates all personal preferences regarding the onboard view
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Blackheart on March 08, 2017, 08:03:26 AM
In the first vid the rider neck is long 2m?  ??? "realistic" in the title its a joke i think.

I dont see problems with the actual RF views. Of course it is not perfect, when we back on the first bikes we will improve them, anyway is possible change the settings for any style (videogame or realistic). I prefer the realism:

https://www.youtube.com/v/b0m6ycEmj0k
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: h106frp on March 08, 2017, 08:38:04 AM
Personally I think we already have to set the helmet cam too far back/low relative to real life to allow for riders wanting to keep a point of reference on screen to aid 1P riding.

I prefer the default camera well high and forward when used with a Tracker as the head movement around the screen when the rider tucks in or sets up for a turn seems much more realistic, but for a mod i would always set it a little further back and lower in the normal default position. The view controls then give a bit of adjustment around this default position.

This was discussed a while back and a position that seems to relate to where the top half of the bars are along the bottom of the screen when the rider is tucked in gives a decent compromise.

Any sports bike from the early 90's onward with higher foot rests and clip-on style bars will place you well forward even when you are in a normal relaxed riding position.

Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 08, 2017, 08:45:35 AM
Quote from: h106frp on March 08, 2017, 08:38:04 AM
...for a mod i would always set it a little further back and lower in the normal default position. The view controls then give a bit of adjustment around this default position.

Precisely my advocation. Placing the camera further back and lower, as i have done, (as well as piboso for his GP1000, GP500, and GP125) allows for a wide range of user adjustability to suit all tastes. Most mod bikes also have the camera placed in a similar position to mine for this very reason.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2017, 10:42:05 AM
UC you DONT move it back a LITTLE you move it back unrealistically and as if sitting on the pillion seat or tailpeice

Your videos prove it. We all see toooooo much of the tank. You NEVER see that much tank unless you a 3 ft midget with  4 ft arms or a baby Orangatag!!!

DD
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 08, 2017, 11:05:00 AM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 08, 2017, 10:42:05 AM
UC you DONT move it back a LITTLE you move it back unrealistically and as if sitting on the pillion seat or tailpeice

Your videos prove it. We all see toooooo much of the tank. You NEVER see that much tank unless you a 3 ft midget with  4 ft arms or a baby Orangatag!!!

DD

My point is: Moving it that distance backward, allows users to adjust the in-game cockpit view settings such that they can obtain the very same type of view that you desire. Where it currently is placed by the Italian Mod Team does not allow us to make the same kind of adjustments. It only favors riders like yourself. My tweak however, allows both you and I to obtain our ideal cockpit views. All you have to do is change the pitch and FOV. Currently, an RSV4 user who prefers my type of cockpit view (or even something in between) can't adjust anything.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on March 08, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
Stop with this stuff, It has already been written that the views will be improved in future. Other comments about this will be deleted instantly.
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 16, 2017, 07:54:53 PM
Hey, you didn't credit me for the new Aprilia sound! lol
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Italian Mod Team on March 16, 2017, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 16, 2017, 07:54:53 PM
Hey, you didn't credit me for the new Aprilia sound! lol

Sorry, we have got released hurry (for the shitstorm from some users on this forum) Yes, we put soon your name in the Changelog for the help with the Aprilia sounds.

Thx again from the IMT  ;)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Urban Chaos 2.0 on March 16, 2017, 08:20:35 PM
Thanks a lot guys
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: vali_grad on May 09, 2017, 07:45:48 PM
hehe that windshield looks like bikinis, compared to fork clamp :)) no problem its hotter this way !  :-*
keep hearing in reviews how confortable and "press fit" ergonomics on aprilias rsv, in game acts a bit stiff on acceleration with little room for line adjustment . Added the worn out brake pads, I keep building sand castles on the track :))))
thank you !  8)
Title: Re: WSBK 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RF - comment/suggestion
Post by: Blackheart on August 19, 2017, 07:41:40 PM
i know bug with 30% wet on this bike... fix in the next update