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Title: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 07:26:33 PM
Likely broken leg. Bad news :(

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/881513/1/valentino-rossi-injured-in-enduro-accident (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/881513/1/valentino-rossi-injured-in-enduro-accident)

Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: doubledragoncc on August 31, 2017, 07:32:54 PM
Shit Fuck Bollocks Wank!!!

Hope it is not as bad as they say and more for him than just the championship

DD
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 07:34:57 PM
Surgery overnight. Not much hope I guess (for him to fight for the championship I mean).
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: matty0l215 on August 31, 2017, 07:51:37 PM
Forza Dovi!! ;D

Shame for Rossi though it would have been nice to see a proper championship fight between him Dovo and Rossi
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: PeterV on August 31, 2017, 07:58:04 PM
damn thats a bummer but Dovi is looking good and sharp up till now.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 07:34:57 PM
Surgery overnight. Not much hope I guess (for him to fight for the championship I mean).

Even before , only VR fan were wishing this , but he's so much under marquez and dovi to get it properly
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 07:34:57 PM
Surgery overnight. Not much hope I guess (for him to fight for the championship I mean).

Even before , only VR fan were wishing this , but he's so much under marquez and dovi to get it properly

;D -26 points with yet 150 points... please.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Hawk on August 31, 2017, 08:20:55 PM
That's a real shame...... Another years championship hopes most likely down the drain..... How many more championships has he left in him before he retires? That the question I'm asking; it must be getting to the stage were he'll seriously start thinking about calling it all a day I would suggest?  :-\

Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 07:34:57 PM
Surgery overnight. Not much hope I guess (for him to fight for the championship I mean).

Even before , only VR fan were wishing this , but he's so much under marquez and dovi to get it properly

;D -26 points with yet 150 points... please.
blew up engine for marquez , and still , both are better than Rossi this year
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Hawk on August 31, 2017, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 07:34:57 PM
Surgery overnight. Not much hope I guess (for him to fight for the championship I mean).

Even before , only VR fan were wishing this , but he's so much under marquez and dovi to get it properly

;D -26 points with yet 150 points... please.
blew up engine for marquez , and still , both are better than Rossi this year

I would agree with you guigui....... If Rossi had any real chance to win this year he could well ill-afford any missed GP's through injury.  ;)
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
blew up engine for marquez , and still , both are better than Rossi this year

And the Rossi and Vinales tires drops in any good race? This champ has non sense, yes is "fun", but is (again like in the past) a "tires champ" not a bikes/riders champ.

With good tires (not these strange "Dorna" tires) maybe it was less fun, but more interesting.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
blew up engine for marquez , and still , both are better than Rossi this year

And the Rossi and Vinales tires drops in any good race? This champ has non sense, yes is "fun", but is (again like in the past) a "tires champ" not a bikes/riders champ.

With good tires (not these strange "Dorna" tires) maybe it was less fun, but more interesting.
Cm'on be sincere, tire drop is well manage by marquez and dovi on their bikes , maybe it's worse on the yamaha , but that doesn't change the fact , Dovi marquez are better than Rossi this year
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 09:02:31 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:55:04 PM
Cm'on be sincere, tire drop is well manage by marquez and dovi on their bikes , maybe it's worse on the yamaha , but that doesn't change the fact , Dovi marquez are better than Rossi this year

Who was in front in the last GP for 3/4 of the race? Dovi, Marquez, Vinales?  ???

And in the qualy? Ah ok Marquez and Dovi are better.  ;)

Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: matty0l215 on August 31, 2017, 09:09:18 PM
Or maybe the fact that Yamaha are struggling this year.

Its easy to blame the tyre but everyone is using the same ones. And ducatis recent preformance gains cant be all put down to tyres otherwise why hasnt KTM or suzuki done the same?
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
Are the tires... is not possible that in the GP "X" the team "Y" is the best and after just a week is the worst...

In a race the tires works for the Ducati and not for the Yamaha, or works for the yama and not for others... where is the competition?

It's like playing the lottery.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: PiBoSo on August 31, 2017, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 07:34:57 PM
Surgery overnight. Not much hope I guess (for him to fight for the championship I mean).

Rossi has exactly zero chances to win the championship, broken leg or mint shape.
His team-mate is faster, Marquez is faster, even Dovi is faster.
Only two podiums in the last nine races...  :P
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on August 31, 2017, 09:21:40 PM
Rossi has exactly zero chances to win the championship, broken leg or mint shape.
His team-mate is faster, Marquez is faster, even Dovi is faster.
Only two podiums in the last nine races...  :P

Yeah, yeah we know that u are a Rossi hater, (Are u sure that u are not Odi?  ???) but the fact is just one; -26 points.

So same chances of Marquez and Vinales or Dovizioso...
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 09:29:47 PM
Yeah, yeah we know that u are a Rossi hater, (Are u sure that u are not Odi?  ???) but the fact is just one; -26 points.
So same chances of Marquez and Vinales or Dovizioso...
Wao Rossi's fan can't get it , 26 points it's BIG , and no not same chance , do you want some probability lessons ?
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 09:39:17 PM
F1 Kimi Raikkonen 2007...

-17 points with yet 20 points, he win the champ. You want a other lesson?
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 09:50:30 PM
I think he had *some* chances before the broken leg: he has tons of experience and who knows, others can have troubles / crash  ...
But now it's really zero chances: broken tibia+perone, it will take time to come back, he's not young anymore. He'll be out a good while, he's not a mad horse like Doohan.

Tyres: yes, they can be puzzling, but they are the very same for everybody, so it's hardly an excuse.
I recall plenty of Rossi fans being extremely happy of Bridgestone leaving ... maybe they thought that Michelin was to bring back the overnight special tyres some riders enjoyed years ago ...

P.S.
I stand on my pre-season bet (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4713.msg72372#msg72372 (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4713.msg72372#msg72372)): Marquez for the title.
But I'd be happy to get it wrong if Dovi wins :)
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: PiBoSo on August 31, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 09:50:30 PM
P.S.
I stand on my pre-season bet (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4713.msg72372#msg72372 (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=4713.msg72372#msg72372)): Marquez for the title.
But I'd be happy to get it wrong if Dovi wins :)

Marquez should win easily...
Latest four races:
Marquez: 70 points, 3 podiums ( despite a broken engine when he was going for another podium!  :o )
Dovi: 68 points, 2 podiums
Pedrosa: 61 points, 3 podiums
Vinales: 59 points, 2 podiums
Rossi: 49 points, 1 podium  :P
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Vini on August 31, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
with the shitty/inconsistent job michelin (and to some degree yamaha) is doing this season, i'd argue that there is still a realistic chance for rossi.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 10:17:57 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 09:39:17 PM
F1 Kimi Raikkonen 2007...

-17 points with yet 20 points, he win the champ. You want a other lesson?
1 time , and maybe he was the best , but yet rossi is the worst of the top boys
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 10:24:55 PM
Quote from: vini97 on August 31, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
with the shitty/inconsistent job michelin (and to some degree yamaha) is doing this season, i'd argue that there is still a realistic chance for rossi.
Do you realise he's gonna be out for quite some time ? I mean, the last race is Nov 12th, that's only 2.5 months from now.

Even if all the other top 6 riders die tomorrow, he may not be able to win it.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on August 31, 2017, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
blew up engine for marquez , and still , both are better than Rossi this year

And the Rossi and Vinales tires drops in any good race? This champ has non sense, yes is "fun", but is (again like in the past) a "tires champ" not a bikes/riders champ.

With good tires (not these strange "Dorna" tires) maybe it was less fun, but more interesting.
Cm'on be sincere, tire drop is well manage by marquez and dovi on their bikes , maybe it's worse on the yamaha , but that doesn't change the fact , Dovi marquez are better than Rossi this year

Sorry, but this is not correct. Yamaha has official problems with the tir wear, look at the race of Catalunya, Jerez and Spielberg. Just keep it real, Rossi AND Vinales would be in a 10 point window for the championship, if the Yamaha was good. Heck, the Tech 3 guys are sometimes as fast as Rossi and Vinales and this is not a works bike. Sorry, but you have to blame Yamaha this year, even though Rossi is not at an all time high on his performance.

The season is over for Rossi, the Honda is better and the Ducati is WAY better. Marquez is in a great shape, like Dovi and Vinales, but Vinales will have the same problems with the Yamaha, so only Dovi and Marquez have a realistic chance. Why that? I only say Sepang. 35 degrees will kill the tires of the Yamaha in a second. I would say, it will be as bad or worse than Catalunya. Misano can also be quite hot. The odds are against Vinales, but if Dovi and Marquez are killing each other, he may have a chance. And Dani... I do not think he will have a chance this year. He will probably be the Stirling Moss of MotoGP :P

PS: Even though I am a Rossi fan, I see things pretty clear and realistic, so this is my honest opinion of the title race and I am not seeing things through yellow sunglases ;)
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: HornetMaX on August 31, 2017, 11:46:41 PM
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on August 31, 2017, 11:28:37 PM
Sorry, but this is not correct. Yamaha has official problems with the tir wear,
A problem that yamaha must solve, just like others have done.

Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on August 31, 2017, 11:28:37 PM
PS: Even though I am a Rossi fan, I see things pretty clear and realistic, so this is my honest opinion of the title race and I am not seeing things through yellow sunglases ;)
Well, it took a broken leg but ... :)
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: PiBoSo on August 31, 2017, 11:54:14 PM
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on August 31, 2017, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
blew up engine for marquez , and still , both are better than Rossi this year

And the Rossi and Vinales tires drops in any good race? This champ has non sense, yes is "fun", but is (again like in the past) a "tires champ" not a bikes/riders champ.

With good tires (not these strange "Dorna" tires) maybe it was less fun, but more interesting.
Cm'on be sincere, tire drop is well manage by marquez and dovi on their bikes , maybe it's worse on the yamaha , but that doesn't change the fact , Dovi marquez are better than Rossi this year

Sorry, but this is not correct. Yamaha has official problems with the tir wear, look at the race of Catalunya, Jerez and Spielberg. Just keep it real, Rossi AND Vinales would be in a 10 point window for the championship, if the Yamaha was good. Heck, the Tech 3 guys are sometimes as fast as Rossi and Vinales and this is not a works bike. Sorry, but you have to blame Yamaha this year, even though Rossi is not at an all time high on his performance.

Yamaha is still first in both the constructors and teams championships...
Not so bad after all  ;)
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Boerenlater on September 01, 2017, 07:13:43 AM
Injuries like this happen way too often when riders practice with supermoto or motocross.
I can't believe their teams don't forbid the riders from doing this in their spare time.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on September 01, 2017, 07:56:16 AM
Quote from: PiBoSo on August 31, 2017, 11:54:14 PM
Quote from: MultiCOOLFRESH on August 31, 2017, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: Blackheart on August 31, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: guigui404 on August 31, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
blew up engine for marquez , and still , both are better than Rossi this year

And the Rossi and Vinales tires drops in any good race? This champ has non sense, yes is "fun", but is (again like in the past) a "tires champ" not a bikes/riders champ.

With good tires (not these strange "Dorna" tires) maybe it was less fun, but more interesting.
Cm'on be sincere, tire drop is well manage by marquez and dovi on their bikes , maybe it's worse on the yamaha , but that doesn't change the fact , Dovi marquez are better than Rossi this year

Sorry, but this is not correct. Yamaha has official problems with the tir wear, look at the race of Catalunya, Jerez and Spielberg. Just keep it real, Rossi AND Vinales would be in a 10 point window for the championship, if the Yamaha was good. Heck, the Tech 3 guys are sometimes as fast as Rossi and Vinales and this is not a works bike. Sorry, but you have to blame Yamaha this year, even though Rossi is not at an all time high on his performance.

Yamaha is still first in both the constructors and teams championships...
Not so bad after all  ;)

Yeah, because Yamaha has two good riders, who are realy close together and a bike that is build for both riders and not only one rider. Ducati only has Dovi and Honda only has Marquez, but Yamha has both Rossi and Vinales to be at a high position. So the chance are doubled for them to be at a higher position and then there is the Tech 3 team, which is also pretty good.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Boerenlater on September 01, 2017, 09:22:29 AM
https://www.yamahamotogp.com/news/01-09-2017-vr46-medical-update-01-09-17-10-30
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: matty0l215 on September 01, 2017, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: Boerenlater on September 01, 2017, 07:13:43 AM
Injuries like this happen way too often when riders practice with supermoto or motocross.
I can't believe their teams don't forbid the riders from doing this in their spare time.

Because all of the best riders spend a huge amount if time doing it and it keeps their skills up even during the off season. What else are they going to do? :P
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on September 01, 2017, 01:50:10 PM
I think we should push motorcycle simulators (manufactured by DD ;D ) so every pro rider is safe while training :D
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Hawk on September 01, 2017, 02:57:29 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on September 01, 2017, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: Boerenlater on September 01, 2017, 07:13:43 AM
Injuries like this happen way too often when riders practice with supermoto or motocross.
I can't believe their teams don't forbid the riders from doing this in their spare time.

Because all of the best riders spend a huge amount if time doing it and it keeps their skills up even during the off season. What else are they going to do? :P

Careful! We'll have the safety-first brigade stepping in and spoiling it for everyone before long. Lol! Just like they've ruined all the classic track layouts in a stupid attempt to slow competitors down..... HELLO! It's motorsport! It's inherently dangerous didn't they already know!!?? Lol!  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Boerenlater on September 01, 2017, 04:06:31 PM
Fine fine. Here's to more broken bones  ::)
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: matty0l215 on September 01, 2017, 04:43:52 PM
Bit sarcastic Hawk... :P

You arn't wrong though. There is a reason why we have the little Triangle



But I can see what you're saying Boerenlater. F1 teams forbid there drivers from doing anything else that could endanger them. Just goes to show how much a MotoGP teams trust their riders to let them have a life outside the sport. It has been that way for a long time and long may It continue. ;D
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: grimm on September 01, 2017, 05:43:59 PM
Quote from: Boerenlater on September 01, 2017, 07:13:43 AM
Injuries like this happen way too often when riders practice with supermoto or motocross.
I can't believe their teams don't forbid the riders from doing this in their spare time.


I guess we should ban them from bicycling too then? Seeing as we just lost Hayden to that recently.

May as well just bubble wrap them and only take them out of the package for the race day....  ::)




People with your way of thinking seem to believe to some capacity or another, that MotoGP racers are coin operated dolls that they just wind up and send off for our entertainment. They are passionate about motorcycles, they are passionate about riding, and to restrict anything they enjoy about it would make their job as miserable as a cubicle gig in a high rise office building. Unless it's my money paying their checks, they can do whatever they want in the offseason if it helps them be better when it comes time to pull on the leathers and do the job they are paid to do.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: PeterV on September 01, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: grimm on September 01, 2017, 05:43:59 PM
I guess we should ban them from bicycling too then? Seeing as we just lost Hayden to that recently.

May as well just bubble wrap them and only take them out of the package for the race day....  ::)




People with your way of thinking seem to believe to some capacity or another, that MotoGP racers are coin operated dolls that they just wind up and send off for our entertainment. They are passionate about motorcycles, they are passionate about riding, and to restrict anything they enjoy about it would make their job as miserable as a cubicle gig in a high rise office building. Unless it's my money paying their checks, they can do whatever they want in the offseason if it helps them be better when it comes time to pull on the leathers and do the job they are paid to do.

I could not agree more grimm
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Warlock on September 01, 2017, 06:51:17 PM
Totally agree Grimm
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Hawk on September 01, 2017, 06:53:52 PM
+1 Totally agree with you Grimm! There's too much of this interfering mothering attitude going about these days.  ;)
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Stout Johnson on September 01, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on September 01, 2017, 01:19:22 PM
Because all of the best riders spend a huge amount if time doing it and it keeps their kills up even during the off season. What else are they going to do? :P
Exactly, they practically are forced to engage in some kind of motorcycling during their spare time. You cannot expect to be an elite rider by riding bicycles, doing some cardio and riding the bike for 18 races and some tests.

On another note: It will be an extensive time off for Rossi until he is completely recuperated. I wonder whether it might even be the beginning of the end of his career. First of all, he will not be competitive right after coming back (maybe for Motegi). Then there will also be the major blow to his overall motivation since his 2017 campaign is pretty much over already. I wonder whether he will regain the motivation for another year. He has always stressed that he will only remain in MotoGP as long as he is competitive. With the problems of this year's Yamaha in connection with the Michelin tires, I think he might even contemplate retirement? I know he has a contract until 2018, but if his Yamaha does not make significant progress, I believe he might be out rather sooner than later.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Hawk on September 01, 2017, 07:05:22 PM
+1. Exactly my thoughts too Stout. I personally think he will probably retire after this season if Yamaha cannot convince him they will have better bikes/tyres for next season. It would just be a shame he couldn't get that 10th championship title first, I truly think that's been his only motivation over the last few years or we'd have seen him retire before now.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: HornetMaX on September 01, 2017, 07:39:17 PM
Same as Stout, he's done for this year. Latest news say 40 days stop but what after ? 2017 title gone, not sure there's a lot of motivation to come back.
But if he can heal properly from the injury (if), I think he'll stay for another year. For one simple reasons: he enjoys it.
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Warlock on September 01, 2017, 07:41:57 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on September 01, 2017, 07:39:17 PM
I think he'll stay for another year. For one simple reasons: he enjoys it.

My thoughts too
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: doubledragoncc on September 01, 2017, 08:54:58 PM
Dont forget............He wants that 10th championship!!!

Rossi wont give up

DD
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: matty0l215 on September 07, 2017, 08:13:09 PM
https://streamable.com/ozdyi

Intereseting view from The current world champion on injurys while training And a Dig a Cal :P
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: Warlock on September 08, 2017, 12:26:13 AM
lol, Cals face  hahahah  ;D
Title: Re: Bad injury for V.Rossi
Post by: poumpouny on September 08, 2017, 06:30:48 AM
HAHAHAHAAHAH,  ;D