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Results will be added to the new GP Bikes Online Server Track Ratings List which can be found at the base of 1st post in the "Track Downloads" thread.

12/10!!! :D Best track of the game for the 1000cc. ;) Very rideable for the 500cc. A bit too bumpy for the R6...

2 bumpy corners, the 2nd and 4th

would be 10 for me but I tend to hit the gravel at bendor and flick the bike over the fence where it fails though the floor.

Hey hawk, I think what you were trying to figure out is how "rideable" they think the track is right?, because I think people rate it on their personal preference of how well they like the track, not on how good it is to ride or on how good it looks.

Not sure though but I think you were talking about the rideability of each track in another topic.

Quote from: iVolution on January 22, 2014, 03:12:19 PM
Hey hawk, I think what you were trying to figure out is how "rideable" they think the track is right?, because I think people rate it on their personal preference of how well they like the track, not on how good it is to ride or on how good it looks.

Not sure though but I think you were talking about the rideability of each track in another topic.

Yes iVolution, you are absolutely right. I would prefer the community to vote on the rideablility of the track rather than whether the track is their favourite or not, but I've come to realise that certain people will vote how they want to vote no matter what I say, so hey, just vote away. Hehe. :D

In my opinion, community members who have voted a "10" rating here are the ones who are not voting for the rideability of this track; I say this only because a "10" is the highest rating and the track would have to be "perfect" in every way to achieve a rating of "10", and as good as "Paul Ricard" is, it does have a couple of minus points, namely there are two corners that require slight attention before it could be rated as a "10". This is my personal opinion of course. ;)  :P

In actual fact, the ratings are coming out as I personally(looking on tracks from a rideability point of view), the results after they have been through the ratings formula are coming out at what I'd say is a very true rating for these tracks. Some do rate tracks far too high, but other votes tend to temper those who vote with rose coloured specs on. LOL

So far I am very pleased with they way the ratings are coming out. ;D

Edit: By the way things are going here, "Paul Ricard looks like it will come out at an "8" or a "9" rating. I believe "8" will be a fair and true rating, a "9" would be a little too much in my opinion. :)

Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 22, 2014, 03:31:50 PM
I would prefer the community to vote on the rideablility of the track rather than whether the track is their favourite or not

By putting something like "rate for rideability" in the poll header it maybe gives a better indication of what people should rate for, although some of course will have their personal opinion influence their objectivity  ;D

Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 22, 2014, 03:31:50 PM
By the way things are going here, "Paul Ricard looks like it will come out at an "8" or a "9" rating. I believe "8" will be a fair and true rating, a "9" would be a little too much in my opinion. :)

I am happy that you are using your common sense so balance things out a bit. Using the polls as an indicator is the way to go i think, those 1 or 2 ratings are not very realistic especially not for Paul Ricard. But when you look at all the ratings they indeed balance the extremely high ones out a bit. An 8 is what i rated so I guess you are spot on with that estimation  :D

Quote from: iVolution on January 22, 2014, 04:11:16 PM

Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 22, 2014, 03:31:50 PM
I would prefer the community to vote on the rideablility of the track rather than whether the track is their favourite or not

By putting something like "rate for rideability" in the poll header it maybe gives a better indication of what people should rate for, although some of course will have their personal opinion influence their objectivity  ;D

Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 22, 2014, 03:31:50 PM
By the way things are going here, "Paul Ricard looks like it will come out at an "8" or a "9" rating. I believe "8" will be a fair and true rating, a "9" would be a little too much in my opinion. :)

I am happy that you are using your common sense so balance things out a bit. Using the polls as an indicator is the way to go i think, those 1 or 2 ratings are not very realistic especially not for Paul Ricard. But when you look at all the ratings they indeed balance the extremely high ones out a bit. An 8 is what i rated so I guess you are spot on with that estimation  :D

The mathematical formula I use(Posted on the Track downloads thread/ Track ratings list) to get the final result from all the votes is specially designed to give the average result from all votes cast rating from a choice of 1 - 10.  I didn't want anyone to think I was just choosing my own personal rating from the poll results. Hehe  ;D

I voted low because you cant ride if you fall though the floor. shame that would be the best track in the game.

The way noviac  done his rating would work better than a poll, having all the tracks listed so people could just copy and paste and put there rating, be a lot faster or were waiting a year for results.


                   graphic      surface     race rdy            like/dislike
Albi                 6              8              7                     dis
paul                9               7             1                     like
Avus               6               8             7                    like
Dijon              8                6             8                    like

Quote from: RBp on January 22, 2014, 06:21:44 PM
I voted low because you cant ride if you fall though the floor. shame that would be the best track in the game.

I did hundreds (maybe thousands) of laps on Paul Ricard and I never fell through the track :/ Where do you fall through the track?

Have done quite a bit of laps on Paul Ricard now and haven't really expierenced that as well to be honest

Quote from: Arvoss on January 22, 2014, 06:55:07 PM

Quote from: RBp on January 22, 2014, 06:21:44 PM
I voted low because you cant ride if you fall though the floor. shame that would be the best track in the game.

I did hundreds (maybe thousands) of laps on Paul Ricard and I never fell through the track :/ Where do you fall through the track?

Quote from: iVolution on January 22, 2014, 07:19:08 PM
Have done quite a bit of laps on Paul Ricard now and haven't really expierenced that as well to be honest

Same for me, no issues on Paul.

MaX.

Quote from: RBp on January 22, 2014, 06:21:44 PM
I voted low because you cant ride if you fall though the floor. shame that would be the best track in the game.

The way noviac  done his rating would work better than a poll, having all the tracks listed so people could just copy and paste and put there rating, be a lot faster or were waiting a year for results.


                   graphic      surface     race rdy            like/dislike
Albi                 6              8              7                     dis
paul                9               7             1                     like
Avus               6               8             7                    like
Dijon              8                6             8                    like

You mean for me to post a list of the server tracks and people just post their ratings for those tracks? But would people spend the time to type out a list of the tracks with their ratings and post(There is a lot of tracks)?
If this is what the community prefers then I'll do it that way, but I just would not think people would be bothered to type out a list themselves with the ratings rather than just use a poll?

But hey guys. Let me know if this is a better option for you, than a poll, and I'll do it. ;) ;D

I have no issues with falling through the track at Paul Ricard either.... But then again, I've never crashed that bad that the bike is thrown, by the sound of it, out of the boundaries. Hehe. ;D

Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 22, 2014, 08:42:01 PM

Quote from: RBp on January 22, 2014, 06:21:44 PM
I voted low because you cant ride if you fall though the floor. shame that would be the best track in the game.

The way noviac  done his rating would work better than a poll, having all the tracks listed so people could just copy and paste and put there rating, be a lot faster or were waiting a year for results.


                   graphic      surface     race rdy            like/dislike
Albi                 6              8              7                     dis
paul                9               7             1                     like
Avus               6               8             7                    like
Dijon              8                6             8                    like

You mean for me to post a list of the server tracks and people just post their ratings for those tracks? But would people spend the time to type out a list of the tracks with their ratings and post(There is a lot of tracks)?
If this is what the community prefers then I'll do it that way, but I just would not think people would be bothered to type out a list themselves with the ratings rather than just use a poll?

But hey guys. Let me know if this is a better option for you, than a poll, and I'll do it. ;) ;D

If you want, I can setup a better poll using Google Docs (Forms).
Just an example created in 3min: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rsMiS1hXLkUao7sm1f3EIM6SVspuhHPcBZlUWKqiI2Q/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rsMiS1hXLkUao7sm1f3EIM6SVspuhHPcBZlUWKqiI2Q/edit?usp=sharing)

MaX.

Sounds like a plan Max, did use that once for my study and worked pretty well. With such a poll we are done at once, no need for a weekly poll then. Although Hawk's method works fine for me as well  :D

Quote from: HornetMaX on January 22, 2014, 09:04:30 PM

Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 22, 2014, 08:42:01 PM

Quote from: RBp on January 22, 2014, 06:21:44 PM
I voted low because you cant ride if you fall though the floor. shame that would be the best track in the game.

The way noviac  done his rating would work better than a poll, having all the tracks listed so people could just copy and paste and put there rating, be a lot faster or were waiting a year for results.


                   graphic      surface     race rdy            like/dislike
Albi                 6              8              7                     dis
paul                9               7             1                     like
Avus               6               8             7                    like
Dijon              8                6             8                    like

You mean for me to post a list of the server tracks and people just post their ratings for those tracks? But would people spend the time to type out a list of the tracks with their ratings and post(There is a lot of tracks)?
If this is what the community prefers then I'll do it that way, but I just would not think people would be bothered to type out a list themselves with the ratings rather than just use a poll?

But hey guys. Let me know if this is a better option for you, than a poll, and I'll do it. ;) ;D

If you want, I can setup a better poll using Google Docs (Forms).
Just an example created in 3min: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rsMiS1hXLkUao7sm1f3EIM6SVspuhHPcBZlUWKqiI2Q/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rsMiS1hXLkUao7sm1f3EIM6SVspuhHPcBZlUWKqiI2Q/edit?usp=sharing)

MaX.

Hi Max.

Yes indeed, that would be great if you could do that, but I think a rating from 1 to 10 would be better than 1 to 5 to give a broader option of choice for so many tracks to Poll

I will send you a PM with a list of tracks that are used for the online servers, in alphabetical order.

Thanks Max... Your a STAR!! ;) ;D

Why do we need a rating for each track? Is it that important? I don't really care about the rating... If there are players on a track I'll join them, even if the track 'sucks'. I think these polls are not really needed...

Quote from: Arvoss on January 22, 2014, 10:24:22 PM
Why do we need a rating for each track? Is it that important? I don't really care about the rating... If there are players on a track I'll join them, even if the track 'sucks'. I think these polls are not really needed...

Track ratings are useful, not only to inform track modders that improvements are needed, but also to allow, especially new members of the community, to see which tracks are the best and which are not.

Now go take a happy pill and chill out. Hehe :P  ;D

Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 22, 2014, 10:30:19 PM

Quote from: Arvoss on January 22, 2014, 10:24:22 PM
Why do we need a rating for each track? Is it that important? I don't really care about the rating... If there are players on a track I'll join them, even if the track 'sucks'. I think these polls are not really needed...

Track ratings are useful, not only to inform track modders that improvements are needed, but also to allow, especially new members of the community, to see which tracks are the best and which are not.

Now go take a happy pill and chill out. Hehe :P  ;D

But it's difficult to vote objectively... :/
I'll be happy once my exams are finished, TOMORROW!!! Finally GP Bikes and GTA V! :D

Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 22, 2014, 10:21:50 PM
Yes indeed, that would be great if you could do that, but I think a rating from 1 to 10 would be better than 1 to 5 to give a broader option of choice for so many tracks to Poll

I will send you a PM with a list of tracks that are used for the online servers, in alphabetical order.

I think that most serious studies affirm that a scale with 7 grades is what humans are typically able to separate (except situation where you an quantify stuff and hence a finer scale can be OK).
I counted the average biker/player, so I reduced that to 5 :) :) :) No big deal anyway, 5 7 or 10.

I'm not sure we really need to separate surface from race ready, up to you guys to decide.

Also, the like/don't like thing is probably unnecessary. If you really want it in, maybe it should be in the same format as the others (How much you like that track,1-10). But I fear people will not make the distinction between the previous questions (how technically good a track is) and the "personal taste" question (which is independent from the technical quality of the track).

Send me the tracks, send me the questions: it will take me 20min at worst.

The poll can be kept open indefinitely or closed after a while. I can manually alter the results or do some specific computations (in case you want some uber-complex statistical analysis).
The poll results (in a fixed format report) will be available for all, any time.

Quote from: Hawk_UK on January 22, 2014, 10:30:19 PM

Quote from: Arvoss on January 22, 2014, 10:24:22 PM
Why do we need a rating for each track? Is it that important? I don't really care about the rating... If there are players on a track I'll join them, even if the track 'sucks'. I think these polls are not really needed...

Track ratings are useful, not only to inform track modders that improvements are needed, but also to allow, especially new members of the community, to see which tracks are the best and which are not.

Now go take a happy pill and chill out. Hehe :P  ;D

For happy pills, ask docfumi  ;D

MaX.

Didn't meen to cause any problems, just giving an honest reason for a vote and a suggestion  so the guy can get a quicker result for the information he after, the game bloody hard when you start playing and I flew over the fence's a lot, not just this track. I would expect most new people would, loading the TRP into tracked show's there the possibility to fall though the floor, I can only go by what little Sim racing experience I have from playing GTR1 15 years ago and the common opinion was if you could not reset the car on track is was unfit for championship use.  things are different here it seems.

Quote from: RBp on January 23, 2014, 10:20:20 AM
Didn't meen to cause any problems, just giving an honest reason for a vote and a suggestion  so the guy can get a quicker result for the information he after, the game bloody hard when you start playing and I flew over the fence's a lot, not just this track. I would expect most new people would, loading the TRP into tracked show's there the possibility to fall though the floor, I can only go by what little Sim racing experience I have from playing GTR1 15 years ago and the common opinion was if you could not reset the car on track is was unfit for championship use.  things are different here it seems.

Well, giving a 1 to Paul Ricard readiness for racing was a bit harsh. But if can document where the problem happens (video, drawing, whatever_, the creator may have a look and solve the problem.

MaX.

Quote from: HornetMaX on January 23, 2014, 11:50:18 AM
Well, giving a 1 to Paul Ricard readiness for racing was a bit harsh. But if can document where the problem happens (video, drawing, whatever_, the creator may have a look and solve the problem.

MaX.

3 I gave it, outside bendor corner. 

i give a 7 because the first S is a little bit hard to take without falling, that's due to the asphalt and the physics of the bikes. The fifth corner is the same and the ninth to.

Paul Ricard is perfect. I never fell trough the map, nor do i have these falling over issues like other riders.
I can put out a steady pace of a course of 20+ laps without falling over. But this is all subjective of course, everyone rides differently...

Okay, guys...... We want you to list the most important, ideally one word questions(graphics/surface, etc, etc), so we can get a good idea of what the community wants with regards to the questions for rating tracks in a poll.

Also whether you prefer a broad rating range(1-10), or a narrower rating range(1-5)?

When we have a good consensus to what the community wants then Max will produce the 'Multi Track Ratings Poll' with the Google Forms utility using the information provided here in this thread, so we can all poll all tracks in one place straight away. This will be a lot better than the current system of polling. ;D

Thanks guys!  ;) ;D

I redo my website with system rating:http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/ (http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/)

Quote from: noss69 on January 25, 2014, 09:55:28 PM
I redo my website with system rating:http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/ (http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/)

GREAT to see your site back up and running looks awsome.  :D

Quote from: noss69 on January 25, 2014, 09:55:28 PM
I redo my website with system rating:http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/ (http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/)

PERFECT.

Quote from: noss69 on January 25, 2014, 09:55:28 PM
I redo my website with system rating:http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/ (http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/)

If those tracks are all your creation... I must say that I am pretty impressed. Most of those belong to the best ones available for GPbikes.

Noss is the boss   :)

Quote from: iVolution on January 25, 2014, 11:14:31 PM

Quote from: noss69 on January 25, 2014, 09:55:28 PM
I redo my website with system rating:http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/ (http://improvinggpbikes.free.fr/)

If those tracks are all your creation... I must say that I am pretty impressed. Most of those belong to the best ones available for GPbikes.

Currently I have referenced my creation, I will add later other track.