https://www.youtube.com/v/LzBW26vFLpc
MotoGP 18 Preview pictures
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- The official 2018 MotoGP season, with all riders, official rosters from MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3 and Red Bull MotoGP Rookies Cup and all 19 official tracks, including the new Buriram International Circuit in Thailand;
- Faithful reproduction of riders, tracks and bikes, thanks to the Drone Scanning system, for a 1:1 recreation of all the track details, and the 3D scanning technology, to include real MotoGP riders' faces in game;
- Exclusive improved features to make the game experience as immersive as ever, such as new cutscenes, the spectator mode and brand new interactive tutorials;
- Enhanced AI, Bike Physics and Collision System, with the introduction of riding aids to offer a more enjoyable simulation at every level;
- New scalable damage system and tire management system;
- A compelling career mode to climb the ladder from Red Bull MotoGP Rookies Cup to MotoGP class, including an innovative bike development setup, to significantly increase the bikes' performance, as well as the MotoGP ID to keep track of such progress.
yay more content to rip...
;) :P
Matty you made my day :-D
So here we go...another promises and I worry that it will be the same result as before.
Quote from: matty0l215 on March 29, 2018, 09:41:29 AM
yay more content to rip...
;) :P
Nah I like see a good 3d engine for a bike game.
And I had tried just for curiosity with the TT game and not founded the UV coords. So maybe will be more complex
Sorry that was a joke.
CAWS has a no more ripped content policy.
To much legal hassle if it ever came to it
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[...] to include real MotoGP riders' faces in game
[...] make the game experience as immersive as ever, such as new cutscenes, the spectator mode
I like their priority setting. They know what is most important. ;D
Quote from: link=topic=5824.msg88379#msg88379 date=1522315997
[...] to offer a more enjoyable simulation at every level
They should be smacked, tarred and feathered for using this word in connection with their game. We live in a time where words are used totally out of context. ::)
I like how a big company like milestone release screenshots but puts in the bottom right "liveries to be updated" like its not that much work to update them... 1 person can easily do it.
Also they should at least model the winglets....
No winglets this year watch first race Qatra
DD
oh yes DD ( ;D) Suzuki (2), Yamaha (4), Honda (2) and Lorenzo only on Ducat', they all had their new winglets.
Petrux and Dovi didn't.
Maybe the KTM are the only one to have kind of winglet inside the frame.
I guess you have to review the Qatari race !!
Edit : i have a doubt about Crutchlow, we will see in Argentinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Watched it today and commentators said nobody was using winglets so they made an error. Was stating what they said so thanks for the updated info speedy
DD
Anyway DD, just run to the MotoGp site, they have beautiful picture of the Dovi victory race !
(this night race is ridiculous in ecological terms but the pict are even more nice, have a side look at the girls too... )
See ya !
QuoteEnhanced AI, Bike Physics and Collision System, with the introduction of riding aids to offer a more enjoyable simulation at every level
boy, if i had a penny for every time developers make these claims, and still manage to push out some arcade spaceship physics, i'd have been able to retire already :D
Quote from: CapeDoctor on March 30, 2018, 06:06:47 AM
QuoteEnhanced AI, Bike Physics and Collision System, with the introduction of riding aids to offer a more enjoyable simulation at every level
boy, if i had a penny for every time developers make these claims, and still manage to push out some arcade spaceship physics, i'd have been able to retire already :D
Totally agree with you there Cape! ;)
But the problem is that people keep on buying that rubbish so they keep on producing that rubbish...... People should use their heads and just not buy these crap so called sims like Milestones MotoGP and the likes, then they will know what people want. Then again maybe the majority of people are happy with simcades? Lord only knows why!? Lol! ::) :)
Personally I stopped buying that rubbish many years ago and have not bought one since....
I always think that if you buy a simulation that your passionate about and then it gets thrown in the corner for months on end maybe never or hardly played again until the next version comes out then it can't be that good.....
Unlike GPBikes which since I first bought it, many many years back now, I haven't put it down or had it uninstalled on my PC ever since! That just goes to show the depth of Piboso's work.
http://www.youtube.com/v/TcMtDJqbl-M
Same old, same old...... :P
But I see they have MM's riding styled perfectly..... At least Milestone can actually simulate something properly I guess! Hehe! ;D ;D
As soon as I saw the two bike collision with no consequence my eyes rolled up ::). Needs something to happen there!
Wont be getting any of my money again which is a shame really. I only assume lots of people love it as a game, but I expect its 'cos they don't know any different and its the best they can find.
I was the same! Motogp 13 got a lot of my time back then despite the painful bugs. Then I found GPB and I'm angry at myself for the time I wasted there. Well maybe not totally true, it gave me fun right up to the save games not working properly.
Not another Milestone MotoGP discussion please! Can't we just copy and paste from last years discussion or the year before or the year before? Ha lol its Groundhog day all over again and again ;D
I do not like the red logo of dainese. It is very stretched and very large. I will not talk about the physics of the game.
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Everyone who dont like it shouldnt buy it !
It´s a game for everyone who wants to Play a motogp game....not an Ultra realistic Simulation for motorcycle Freaks...
It is difficult enough for casual players...and thats the point. This game will be made for them.
And btw they have only one year to work on it and in my opinion its going better and better every year (without VRtG).
Quote from: Blackheart on March 29, 2018, 09:33:17 AM
- The official 2018 MotoGP season, with all riders, official rosters from MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3 and Red Bull MotoGP Rookies Cup and all 19 official tracks, including the new Buriram International Circuit in Thailand;
- Faithful reproduction of riders, tracks and bikes, thanks to the Drone Scanning system, for a 1:1 recreation of all the track details, and the 3D scanning technology, to include real MotoGP riders' faces in game;
- Exclusive improved features to make the game experience as immersive as ever, such as new cutscenes, the spectator mode and brand new interactive tutorials;
- Enhanced AI, Bike Physics and Collision System, with the introduction of riding aids to offer a more enjoyable simulation at every level;
- New scalable damage system and tire management system;
- A compelling career mode to climb the ladder from Red Bull MotoGP Rookies Cup to MotoGP class, including an innovative bike development setup, to significantly increase the bikes' performance, as well as the MotoGP ID to keep track of such progress.
Milestone... Could've updated motogp 17 and come with the same shit xD
Greed.
Quote from: RaDiCaL on May 10, 2018, 04:54:32 PM
Everyone who dont like it shouldnt buy it !
It´s a game for everyone who wants to Play a motogp game....not an Ultra realistic Simulation for motorcycle Freaks...
It is difficult enough for casual players...and thats the point. This game will be made for them.
And btw they have only one year to work on it and in my opinion its going better and better every year (without VRtG).
+1 Connor! ;)
Don't worry... I certainly shall not buy any of Milestones rubbish.... Never have since 2008 when I realised that they were just con-merchants and taking the piss out of their paying customers.
Do you really think Milestone create a totally new MotoGP game each year? They just update the previous years code and/or textures, that's all(probably takes them 3 months to do). That's why they are taking all the so called casual players for a mighty-big ride.... It's called a consumerism business model designed to keep people paying out the same if not more money for basically the same product each year.... Something that developers years ago used to regard as an update often given for free or at a token update price.
So if you think realistic simulation fans are "
Freaks", what would you call anybody who was actually stupid enough to keep paying out for basically the same Milestone MotoGP game every year? :P :)
Quote from: RaDiCaL on May 10, 2018, 04:54:32 PM
Everyone who dont like it shouldnt buy it !
It´s a game for everyone who wants to Play a motogp game....not an Ultra realistic Simulation for motorcycle Freaks...
It is difficult enough for casual players...and thats the point. This game will be made for them.
And btw they have only one year to work on it and in my opinion its going better and better every year (without VRtG).
So because we don`t like it we`re not allowed to critizise it? Milestone have to be one of the laziest developers in gaming history. They don`t have "only one year to work on it" as with exception of this year (unreal graphics engine) they`ve been reskinning and selling the same game at full price since MotoGP 13. It`s not that hard to get "better and better" every year if the game isn`t good to begin with isn`t it?
I cannot understand why people keep buying games from developers that put in minimal effort to create a game (looking at you COD 7, BF 5, Far Cry 12 & FIFA 2022)
http://www.youtube.com/v/e-LE0ycgkBQ
Spot-on, Jamoz! ;)
and i say it again...ist a game for everyone ! that means every single 10 year old Boy should be able to Play this if he wants.
And i think everyone here is a motorcycle freak...that means everyone here has a great passion for bikes...me too...nothing else.
Motogp 13, 17 or whatever isnt a game especially for these Kind of People but especially these People critisize this game.
For me GPbikes is the only motorbike Simulation but i often see empty Server and i have to race with my son alone....in motogp 17 i am able to race with
a whole grid. the physics are not real..thats for sure...but it is the only new motogp racing game out there that i can play alone.
And i think we have to be grateful because motocycle games are not the big Moneymakers...if they dont do it...maybe no one does...and then we have to race on empty Servers in gpbikes...
aahh btw...have never seen you racing on a gpbikes server hawk..
Quote from: RaDiCaL on May 10, 2018, 11:10:51 PM
and i say it again...ist a game for everyone ! that means every single 10 year old Boy should be able to Play this if he wants.
And i think everyone here is a motorcycle freak...that means everyone here has a great passion for bikes...me too...nothing else.
Motogp 13, 17 or whatever isnt a game especially for these Kind of People but especially these People critisize this game.
For me GPbikes is the only motorbike Simulation but i often see empty Server and i have to race with my son alone....in motogp 17 i am able to race with
a whole grid. the physics are not real..thats for sure...but it is the only new motogp racing game out there that i can play alone.
And i think we have to be grateful because motocycle games are not the big Moneymakers...if they dont do it...maybe no one does...and then we have to race on empty Servers in gpbikes...
aahh btw...have never seen you racing on a gpbikes server hawk..
Must admit..... Now I have read this I realise that I misunderstood you when you mentioned "
Freaks" in your previous post... My apologies - I know see the context in which you we're expressing yourself. ;) 8)
I'm not a big fan of the theory that we must support developers who create motorcycle games/sims if they are not producing what we really want.... Buy once, yes, but if the developers obviously are not listening to what the customers want and/or are ignoring customer issues, then they don't deserve to be supported in my book.
We must support those developers who are trying to create the best experience possible in the genre we are talking about here, namely "Simulation".
I certainly don't like or support developers who con their customers each year by releasing basically the same product every year and expect you to pay top money for it; or developers who market their products as a "Simulation" when it's clearly not, ie Milestones MotoGP series.
There is only one actual motorbike racing simulation on the market right now, and that is GPBikes from Piboso. :)
Not seen me racing online?? :o :o ;D
Lol! I used to enter every non-clashing online event every year up until beta 13(2-stroke events got my priority of course! Hehe!). Unfortunately the beta 13 release is unlucky for me - I can't get GPBikes beta 13 to work properly(very strange cause I've never had any issues with all previous betas); therefore I'm now having a GPB racing sabbatical waiting for beta 14 release. ;) :)
I will buy the game no matter if its good or not. Its not about supporting Milestone that is lazy and deaf but I like to collect motorcycle games. Although I didnt buy some serious shits like Motorcycle Club or MX vs ATV Reflex. I must stay that after moving to Unreal Engine the last Milestone Supercross the game is quite nice. Its far from realistic but nice to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciKrGO5MsaI
Quote from: Davide74 on May 22, 2018, 07:49:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciKrGO5MsaI
The player is drunk...
The game is very different from the 17; animations/tracks/bikes behavior/sounds, and the new engine looks good.
HAHA, 22 Overtakes in the first turn ;D
I like the finishline effect - tail camera. There are many improvements. Still I want to see pro physics. I want at least the level of Ride 2 :-)
9:58 Wet Track, looks quite good.
https://www.youtube.com/v/ObpWdRD-oGQ
Ive seen it... I believe its some kind of gameplay with lowes physics settings... I really hope that rain racing will be harder than on dry. Unlike in MotoGP17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookryF6ejGY
The Dainese logo, looks much better
Noone? Allright, i`ll do it.
Motogp 18 is actually fun this time.
There, i said it.
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Quote from: JamoZ on June 08, 2018, 08:57:37 PM
Noone? Allright, i`ll do it.
Motogp 18 is actually fun this time.
There, i said it.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/12nL3tvQyrg22c/200w.webp)
I would guess MotoGP "
games" have always been fun if for those inclined to be amused by such rubbish.... You surprise me; thought you were a realist? :o :)
Was that left jab quick enough for you?. Lol! ;D
PS: What is it that is actually "
miles"(get it? ;D) better than before? ???
Dno, hard to explain. It just makes sense now. It`s not as forgiving anymore. Before you could brake 100% under full lean while jumping the kerbs and still make the corner, now you actually have to trailbrake to prevent lowsiding and to hit the apex and it`s quite satisfying to do so.
For me this is a perfect arcade racer, challenging enough to keep it interesting for people like me, and easy enough for friends to jump onboard and tag along within 2 hours.
We had some amazing battles already...
Shame they fucked up other stuff like no online lobby`s (it will pick a random race on a random track with random settings and people) and no option to mute yourself in online games...so everytime you talk in teamspeak, you`ll see your name pop up ingame as talking.
I can`t understand how they could miss such obvious things.
It is definitely the best game created by Milestone; the new engine, sounds, phisics, all is better. MotoGP17 was a good game, but with a lot of issues [example the "front trick" used from the pro players]
Just need some good patch before of the E-sports, as a fix for the lag in the online replays. The game is more hard, and the new engine works very well. And now the bikes finally have a weight.
Maybe the MotoGP bikes have too much grip, but looks good and really fun.
Great Job MS. ;)
Looks interesting ! Is VR supported?
How does it behave vs GPB?
Is there some kind of career?
Quote from: neoraptor on June 08, 2018, 11:18:33 PM
1_ Looks interesting ! Is VR supported?
2_ How does it behave vs GPB?
3_ Is there some kind of career?
1_Im not sure I dont see options about the VR, but I think no. ???
2_ Are two different things, Its not an arcade, but an great simcade.
3_There is a career where you can make your rider. Fun but nothing special, I played just online and is really fun.
the game is sick. porated it but its sick. id pay 25 quid but not 40 lmao barely has any content
Paid 19 quid and steering physics suck.
Not played much but shit compared to GPB anyway.
DD
You need to stop comparing everything to gpb, if something is good in what it tries to do, give credit for it. I was enjoying the Crew 2 beta alot, but if i kept comparing the driving to AC or RF2 it would have sucked donkey balls.
Quote from: JamoZ on June 09, 2018, 10:27:50 AM
You need to stop comparing everything to gpb, if something is good in what it tries to do, give credit for it. I was enjoying the Crew 2 beta alot, but if i kept comparing the driving to AC or RF2 it would have sucked donkey balls.
+1 :)
MCF
Quote from: -aGy- on June 09, 2018, 11:01:47 PM
Pritty wierd behavor for the bikes. dont know what happens here but milestone guys i think uses bicycles physics but dont know for sure.and its not so good looking either.dont like unreal but is only me and maybe i have bad graphic card or so but not so good actully very bad .
They moved to the Unreal Engine because it's the best development engine out there, but if you haven't got a system that can show good graphics then you can't blame UE4 for that surely? :)
Plus it depends on the developer as to how good the graphics end up in game...... In my opinion, UE4 is capable of the most realistic looking graphics/lighting/reflections on the market to date; can even take advantage of the recent breakthrough in ray-tracing in real-time, but of course that's if the game developer implements UE4's full graphical capabilities in game? If your not happy with the graphics then you can only blame Milestone for that given the resources at there disposal; or most probably blame the fact that their Motogp series games are developed mainly for the crappy console market and their lesser graphics capabilities rather than the possible superior capabilities of PC graphics cards. :)
I have the GFX on ultra and the game still looks like a blurry mess. Texture pop-ins on bike skins and signs... Even the the menu buttons are blurry... Feels like a bad console port...
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Quote from: Hawk on June 10, 2018, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: -aGy- on June 09, 2018, 11:01:47 PM
Pritty wierd behavor for the bikes. dont know what happens here but milestone guys i think uses bicycles physics but dont know for sure.and its not so good looking either.dont like unreal but is only me and maybe i have bad graphic card or so but not so good actully very bad .
They moved to the Unreal Engine because it's the best development engine out there, but if you haven't got a system that can show good graphics then you can't blame UE4 for that surely? :)
Plus it depends on the developer as to how good the graphics end up in game...... In my opinion, UE4 is capable of the most realistic looking graphics/lighting/reflections on the market to date; can even take advantage of the recent breakthrough in ray-tracing in real-time, but of course that's if the game developer implements UE4's full graphical capabilities in game? If your not happy with the graphics then you can only blame Milestone for that given the resources at there disposal; or most probably blame the fact that their Motogp series games are developed mainly for the crappy console market and their lesser graphics capabilities rather than the possible superior capabilities of PC graphics cards. :)
are you really sure
Quote from: -aGy- on June 10, 2018, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: Hawk on June 10, 2018, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: -aGy- on June 09, 2018, 11:01:47 PM
Pritty wierd behavor for the bikes. dont know what happens here but milestone guys i think uses bicycles physics but dont know for sure.and its not so good looking either.dont like unreal but is only me and maybe i have bad graphic card or so but not so good actully very bad .
They moved to the Unreal Engine because it's the best development engine out there, but if you haven't got a system that can show good graphics then you can't blame UE4 for that surely? :)
Plus it depends on the developer as to how good the graphics end up in game...... In my opinion, UE4 is capable of the most realistic looking graphics/lighting/reflections on the market to date; can even take advantage of the recent breakthrough in ray-tracing in real-time, but of course that's if the game developer implements UE4's full graphical capabilities in game? If your not happy with the graphics then you can only blame Milestone for that given the resources at there disposal; or most probably blame the fact that their Motogp series games are developed mainly for the crappy console market and their lesser graphics capabilities rather than the possible superior capabilities of PC graphics cards. :)
are you really sure
I'm always open to be proved wrong mate. ;D ;)
Quote from: davidboda46 on June 10, 2018, 12:56:24 PM
I have the GFX on ultra and the game still looks like a blurry mess. Texture pop-ins on bike skins and signs... Even the the menu buttons are blurry... Feels like a bad console port...
Cheers,
/David "Gonzo" Boda #46
Up the resolution scale to 150 or 200%
Just bought MotoGP 18 game and played a little bit. I like it, big improvement in some areas especially in FPP camera, immersion. Love the feeling of speed with headshake wind noise and dynamic camera. Still I miss some fatures and it seems that they gave up on damage system and tire degradation.
Of course its much different than GP Bikes but it does not mean its a bad game. At least it looks like they started to listen to the customers. Lets give them time and see how they will improve the game. I would rather see they will improve it year by year rather than change many things except physics and and features.
Motogp 18 great improvement from all previous games.
Its actually difficult... wow
Quote from: Hawk on June 10, 2018, 04:40:36 PM
Quote from: -aGy- on June 10, 2018, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: Hawk on June 10, 2018, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: -aGy- on June 09, 2018, 11:01:47 PM
Pritty wierd behavor for the bikes. dont know what happens here but milestone guys i think uses bicycles physics but dont know for sure.and its not so good looking either.dont like unreal but is only me and maybe i have bad graphic card or so but not so good actully very bad .
They moved to the Unreal Engine because it's the best development engine out there, but if you haven't got a system that can show good graphics then you can't blame UE4 for that surely? :)
Plus it depends on the developer as to how good the graphics end up in game...... In my opinion, UE4 is capable of the most realistic looking graphics/lighting/reflections on the market to date; can even take advantage of the recent breakthrough in ray-tracing in real-time, but of course that's if the game developer implements UE4's full graphical capabilities in game? If your not happy with the graphics then you can only blame Milestone for that given the resources at there disposal; or most probably blame the fact that their Motogp series games are developed mainly for the crappy console market and their lesser graphics capabilities rather than the possible superior capabilities of PC graphics cards. :)
are you really sure
I'm always open to be proved wrong mate. ;D ;)
ok now i try it with dfgt wheel and some tweaking with nvidia display and its pretty good game i think..handling is better than motogp17 or ride 2 i think. first when i try this game i use ps4 gamepad and i sucked very very bad. but with wheel (idont own handlebars)its more precise and ok but of course cant beat gp bikes
i have to say that i am amazed. first when i launch this game i use win 8 and it was pretty ugly but i decide to install win 10 because trueskyplugin didnt work with win 8 and now this game looks pretty good and runs very well
I was wrong 😞 after 10h of playing with broken heart I must say that its the same shit as in previous years. Many problems with new game, it unfinished and promote careless riding. Definately its far from fair competition between riders... Shame, big shame...
Imho del real issue of this game is the IA... ;D
https://www.youtube.com/v/V1OMaS3gX1Q?t=13s
ROFL! ;D ;D
You would make a good game tester BH.... I bet all the official testers never thought to try that to see what happens. Lol! ;D
Very poor on Milestone to release a game with such a bug in it though.... Good luck on getting an update this year to fix it. Lol. More likely they will fix it as a special feature for MotoGP 2019 and mark it as the AI being more intelligent. Lol! :o ;D
Really its not a my video ;D
There are a lot of little and big bugs [I never see nothing like in this vid, but after 20 hours I see the IA cut some corners in some tracks...] Offline it is fun just if you ride alone vs your ghost.
Atm I think is not possible make a good IA for a 2 wheels game. I do not think it's Milestone's fault.
The game is full of ...maybe not bugs...issues and I really got no idea if Milestone guys have idea what they do.
Not sad patch yet?
Damn milestone, thanks for your money and see you later ...
the best motorcycle game for a long time.no big bugs (thank god no game changing crashes like maybe core.exe)and it runs well. most importand cockpit view is spot on thx milestone great work. dorna i give you a finger is it last third or first never know.
Quote from: Davide74 on June 18, 2018, 06:48:15 AM
Not sad patch yet?
Damn milestone, thanks for your money and see you later ...
I have some info, because I know someone in the milestone, the patchs will be released, they are collecting reports about the 3 versions of the game, the worst atm is on the xbox...
Yeah...they plan to release the patch for consoles on friday. I wonder if your friend told you anything if they are going to fix all the issues or only the biggest one.
I wonder is they`re going to implement normal multiplayer lobby`s. I can`t understand which retard thought it was a good idea to remove lobby`s and just let you join a random race, with random people, on a random bike and track...with voice chat enabled ::)
Quote from: JamoZ on June 19, 2018, 06:53:08 PM
I wonder is they`re going to implement normal multiplayer lobby`s. I can`t understand which retard thought it was a good idea to remove lobby`s and just let you join a random race, with random people, on a random bike and track...with voice chat enabled ::)
ChatRoulette style.
They can't manage to do simple things with multiplayer since MotoGP13 so I doubt that we will see it...
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 19, 2018, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: JamoZ on June 19, 2018, 06:53:08 PM
I wonder is they`re going to implement normal multiplayer lobby`s. I can`t understand which retard thought it was a good idea to remove lobby`s and just let you join a random race, with random people, on a random bike and track...with voice chat enabled ::)
ChatRoulette style.
Aye, the lobby is even filled with dicks most of the time :-X
Quote from: JamoZ on June 19, 2018, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 19, 2018, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: JamoZ on June 19, 2018, 06:53:08 PM
I wonder is they`re going to implement normal multiplayer lobby`s. I can`t understand which retard thought it was a good idea to remove lobby`s and just let you join a random race, with random people, on a random bike and track...with voice chat enabled ::)
ChatRoulette style.
Aye, the lobby is even filled with dicks most of the time :-X
You can thank milestone you only have voice chat ...'19 edition may have webcam feed too :)
I am really tired of listening to stupid kids shouting all the time to the microphone or listening to their game controlers clicking all the time. There is too little time to mute all the players. There is no time even to choose set up b4 the race.