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Title: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 06, 2018, 10:21:02 pm
... to release GP Bikes on Steam.

However, in addition to the x64 build and improved netcode, it needs new and better content.
Starting with a middle-class bike, that would also be used as the demo bike for the standalone version.

Now the question is: could you please post all the data you have on a 2018 Moto2?
Schematics, blueprints, wheelbase, length, width, height, engine torque curve, ... Anything is useful.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 06, 2018, 10:33:31 pm
Wow!

This is big news and very good to hear!! ;D

One Question. Why not get the jump on the next generation of M2 bikes? Or is it purely for the data required?
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 06, 2018, 10:38:21 pm
Quote from: matty0l215 on April 06, 2018, 10:33:31 pm
Wow!

This is big news and very good to hear!! ;D

One Question. Why not get the jump on the next generation of M2 bikes? Or is it purely for the data required?


They are not out yet.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 06, 2018, 10:40:42 pm
Fair enough

Also- https://moto2.teamtech3.fr/index.php/bike

Maybe worth emailing some of the smaller teams for info. I can't imagine them not giving you basic information.

Probably not a dyno readout but the engines are a modified CBR600RR engine but are still around the 130-140 BHP mark.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 06, 2018, 10:45:24 pm

It's actually quite difficult to imagine someone in a team wasting time to give detailed technical data to a complete stranger for nothing in return...

If someone here by accident knows anyone in a team however... A long stretch, but maybe...  :-[
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 06, 2018, 10:58:24 pm
It must be worth an email surely?

Another artical to read- http://www.hondaprokevin.com/honda-cbr600rr-race-bike-engines-moto2-supersport-motorcycles-behind-the-scenes
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on April 07, 2018, 12:27:15 am
You can try Nykos racing..  :) but its european cev moto2.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on April 07, 2018, 12:32:30 am
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.nykosracing.co.uk/&ved=2ahUKEwi7tof686baAhVFalAKHUo8DdwQFjAAegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3nvNt8E_E60ilzEmSxJo_B
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: KG_03 on April 07, 2018, 08:42:52 am
Fantastic news! let me check the date of the post - no its not april fools day 😀 wow! Is it what DoubleDragon was talking about?
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 07, 2018, 10:21:52 am
Nothing to do with what I said KG

Great news about 64bit. It will wake GPB up. Thanks Piboso

DD
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: EnhanceJohn on April 07, 2018, 12:18:30 pm
Awesome news. Succes and I'll buy the Steam when it will release.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: HornetMaX on April 07, 2018, 02:25:08 pm
That news + new tyre-terrain collision model. Sounds like early Xmas this year ;D
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: RobinHoodUKIP on April 07, 2018, 07:26:57 pm
im new to this type of game with mods and stuff, is there any issue with mods being used with steam? excited though, every time i log on its empty.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Hawk on April 07, 2018, 08:27:10 pm
Quote from: RobinHoodUKIP on April 07, 2018, 07:26:57 pm
im new to this type of game with mods and stuff, is there any issue with mods being used with steam? excited though, every time i log on its empty.


That is a very good point!  ;)

I presume the Steam Workshop will be used to subscribe and install mods for the Steam version of GPBikes? But will we still be able to install other modded content files manually into the Steam installation of GPBikes without any issues?
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 07, 2018, 08:36:36 pm
Oh god please say it is true for steam workshop  :o

I could finnaly kill the BikeMOD :P ;D
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: HornetMaX on April 07, 2018, 09:14:44 pm
Bet no. KRP hasn't it.
Last time Pib said implementing it it's a lot of work.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Hawk on April 08, 2018, 06:08:52 am
Quote from: matty0l215 on April 07, 2018, 08:36:36 pm
Oh god please say it is true for steam workshop  :o

I could finnaly kill the BikeMOD :P ;D


Don't hold your breath Matty....... Game-Ripped content is not allowed on the Steam workshop, and although people might get away with it for a while, it won't be long before that content is taken down by Valve.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: KG_03 on April 08, 2018, 10:39:05 am
exactly that's what I thought...
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 08, 2018, 11:12:11 am
Only joking about kill the BikeMOD,  Not much work nowerdays anyway :P

Better things to be working on anyway.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Vini on April 08, 2018, 01:29:25 pm
does the tyre terrain thing mean realstic behaviour on curbs?
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 08, 2018, 02:33:43 pm

In addition to the 2018 Moto2, please post any info / schematics / data you have about 2018 Moto3 and either the Desmosedici GP6 or the 2006 RC211V.
Thank you.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 08, 2018, 02:52:32 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 08, 2018, 02:33:43 pm

In addition to the 2018 Moto2, please post any info / schematics / data you have about 2018 Moto3 and either the Desmosedici GP6 or the 2006 RC211V.
Thank you.


Speak to Meyer about the M3 Bike ;)

And there are others on the fourm who ride them (not sure quite who though)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Alone on April 08, 2018, 04:19:37 pm
Yes, Meyer has some info. Our bikes from 2014 are done with real data, and some things doesnt change too much from then, specially in ktm.

Here is a dyno of a ktm from 2017 CEV (the intact team one)
http://www.fimcevrepsol.com/en/riders/teams-community :)

And here the owners manual of 2014 ktm
https://www.manualslib.com/products/Ktm-Rc-250-R-4272554.html
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: connorhall70 on April 08, 2018, 05:21:37 pm
It's almost time... to make you pay for the same game twice?

Let us know what your plan is.
The one thing I ask of you piboso is honesty.

Will we be paying for GP Bikes again?
Yes or no answer would be grand.

Appreciate your work regardless.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 08, 2018, 05:37:18 pm
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 08, 2018, 05:21:37 pm
It's almost time... to make you pay for the same game twice?

Let us know what your plan is.
The one thing I ask of you piboso is honesty.

Will we be paying for GP Bikes again?
Yes or no answer would be grand.

Appreciate your work regardless.


Nahh, the Serial numbers can be converted to steam keys
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: damonboss on April 08, 2018, 06:03:59 pm
yes workshop the best thing about that is it will automatically update mods plus not need to deal with installs very good for new players first time i got the game it was annoying
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: HornetMaX on April 08, 2018, 06:30:26 pm
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 08, 2018, 05:21:37 pm
It's almost time... to make you pay for the same game twice?

Let us know what your plan is.
The one thing I ask of you piboso is honesty.

Will we be paying for GP Bikes again?
Yes or no answer would be grand.

Appreciate your work regardless.

Why screaming before the storm ? Especially when there's no storm to scream about.

A 27E storm anyway, for hours of fun.

Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: connorhall70 on April 08, 2018, 10:40:49 pm
Quote from: HornetMaX on April 08, 2018, 06:30:26 pm
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 08, 2018, 05:21:37 pm
It's almost time... to make you pay for the same game twice?

Let us know what your plan is.
The one thing I ask of you piboso is honesty.

Will we be paying for GP Bikes again?
Yes or no answer would be grand.

Appreciate your work regardless.

Why screaming before the storm ? Especially when there's no storm to scream about.

A 27E storm anyway, for hours of fun.

im not screaming about anything, simply asking a question.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: uberslug on April 09, 2018, 12:09:55 am
Quote from: Vini on April 08, 2018, 01:29:25 pm
does the tyre terrain thing mean realstic behaviour on curbs?


One can only hope...
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: poumpouny on April 09, 2018, 09:05:32 am
@connorhall : I don't really understand how you guy are talking on the forum, really you need to do some yoga or i don't know some relaxing thing hahhahha  ;D
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: uberslug on April 09, 2018, 09:30:15 am
Quote from: poumpouny on April 09, 2018, 09:05:32 am
@connorhall : I don't really understand how you guy are talking on the forum, really you need to do some yoga or i don't know some relaxing thing hahhahha  ;D


Don't bother, he's not worth the effort...
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: connorhall70 on April 09, 2018, 02:23:11 pm
Quote from: poumpouny on April 09, 2018, 09:05:32 am
@connorhall : I don't really understand how you guy are talking on the forum, really you need to do some yoga or i don't know some relaxing thing hahhahha  ;D

all im asking is a straight forward question? what is wrong with that? i asked piboso a question and everyone tries answering for him... is he incapable of answering a yes or no question himself? all you guys make it sound that way.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: uberslug on April 09, 2018, 02:34:47 pm
Since most of your comments are snarky and demeaning, it is hard to take anything you ask seriously. Perhaps if you showed more respect to others not everything that you type will be taken negatively. In order to get respect, you must first respect others.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on April 09, 2018, 04:00:58 pm
Quote from: uberslug on April 09, 2018, 02:34:47 pm
Since most of your comments are snarky and demeaning, it is hard to take anything you ask seriously. Perhaps if you showed more respect to others not everything that you type will be taken negatively. In order to get respect, you must first respect others.


True

MCF
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: connorhall70 on April 09, 2018, 05:12:52 pm
Quote from: uberslug on April 09, 2018, 02:34:47 pm
Since most of your comments are snarky and demeaning, it is hard to take anything you ask seriously. Perhaps if you showed more respect to others not everything that you type will be taken negatively. In order to get respect, you must first respect others.


This is the internet (2018) and you still cant take a joke. its the fuckin internet. half the shit people say on the internet is a joke or just total bullshit.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: uberslug on April 09, 2018, 05:27:15 pm
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 09, 2018, 05:12:52 pm
Quote from: uberslug on April 09, 2018, 02:34:47 pm
Since most of your comments are snarky and demeaning, it is hard to take anything you ask seriously. Perhaps if you showed more respect to others not everything that you type will be taken negatively. In order to get respect, you must first respect others.


This is the internet (2018) and you still cant take a joke. its the fuckin internet. half the shit people say on the internet is a joke or just total bullshit.


You were wondering why people don't take you seriously, so I told you. Do with the information what you will.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 09, 2018, 09:07:47 pm
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 09, 2018, 05:12:52 pm
Quote from: uberslug on April 09, 2018, 02:34:47 pm
Since most of your comments are snarky and demeaning, it is hard to take anything you ask seriously. Perhaps if you showed more respect to others not everything that you type will be taken negatively. In order to get respect, you must first respect others.


This is the internet (2018) and you still cant take a joke. its the fuckin internet. half the shit people say on the internet is a joke or just total bullshit.


THIS is not "the internet". This is MY forum. Please try to show some respect towards others.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: connorhall70 on April 09, 2018, 10:06:29 pm
Quote
THIS is not "the internet". This is MY forum. Please try to show some respect towards others.

yes you own it.
Yes this is the internet.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 09, 2018, 10:50:23 pm
Quote from: connorhall70 on April 09, 2018, 10:06:29 pm
Quote
THIS is not "the internet". This is MY forum. Please try to show some respect towards others.

yes you own it.
Yes this is the internet.


Stop digging mate...
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 10, 2018, 12:38:40 am
Can we get back on the point of this thread as its an important one.

@Piboso.........Any idea as to when this wonderful moment my happen?

Praying mods can be no issue

Thanks for all your hard work Mr P

DD
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: speedfr on April 11, 2018, 02:18:57 pm
Nice words DD.

1. Anyway, if we have to buy another licence to support Mr Piboso work, (we can do a pool maybe ? ) i'll be on it.
2. On Steam Workshop, it's possible to use mods, look at Arma 3 that i used to play (didn't tried since Apex is out), you can find mods and missions (almost 20 000) for this game.
So i'm pretty sure that modding this game will be ok and even, as GP500 was, we will find a way. And be able to play online too.

3. Mr Piboso, that's a very very good idea and hopeffuly a milestone (!!) for you that will reward all this year of intense work. Nice and full of hope.

4. "If you want to respect others, start by respecting yourself..."

Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: DidietXFuera on April 15, 2018, 11:09:08 am
I hope, GP-Bikes on Steam can't be pirated (free of piracy)  ;D
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 15, 2018, 11:23:12 am
it can't be pirated now, can it??

If people are they are scum...
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: uberslug on April 15, 2018, 11:56:02 am
Quote from: DidietXFuera on April 15, 2018, 11:09:08 am
I hope, GP-Bikes on Steam can't be pirated (free of piracy)  ;D


All one has to do is say something can't be done to make someone want to do it.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: connorhall70 on April 15, 2018, 09:26:13 pm
i believe the anti piracy for gpbikes is just the multiplayer? (not really anti piracy but to some extent is)

and also you cant even install mods without a key sooooooooo
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: speedfr on April 16, 2018, 06:20:34 pm
And please, don't go for protection such a Denuvo or other DRM, first its super heavy and second, it's cracked faster than ever... Look what happened to Farcry5...

Little games, not AAA, are really not cracked so much, even less if the price is not around 60€.
That will be great to have finally GP bikes in a box, i'll buy the box, to display with my old Wing Commander, Ultima or GP500 !!! Collector !!  ;D
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 16, 2018, 06:26:38 pm

Some questions, starting with the connorhall70 ones, are puzzling...  ???
GP Bikes development doesn't happen in a vacuum: Kart Racing Pro is already out on Steam. Just expect more of the same  ::)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 16, 2018, 06:27:34 pm
Quote from: speedfr on April 16, 2018, 06:20:34 pm
That will be great to have finally GP bikes in a box, i'll buy the box, to display with my old Wing Commander, Ultima or GP500 !!! Collector !!  ;D


That would be awesome...  :P
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: HornetMaX on April 16, 2018, 06:44:24 pm
Quote from: speedfr on April 16, 2018, 06:20:34 pm
That will be great to have finally GP bikes in a box, i'll buy the box, to display with my old Wing Commander, Ultima or GP500 !!! Collector !!  ;D

Wing Commander, wow, that was quite a while ago :)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: speedfr on April 16, 2018, 07:31:16 pm
Yep, i'm super old.
Have them all. WC to WC5, Privateer I and II, Freelancer.
But still rocking and rolling  8)

Quote from: PiBoSo on April 16, 2018, 06:27:34 pm
Quote from: speedfr on April 16, 2018, 06:20:34 pm
That will be great to have finally GP bikes in a box, i'll buy the box, to display with my old Wing Commander, Ultima or GP500 !!! Collector !!  ;D


That would be awesome...  :P


Yes. An outcome for all your work. A sens of life !   ;)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: HornetMaX on April 16, 2018, 10:11:22 pm
Played WC (sure) and WC2 (if I recall correctly). Guess I'm super old too :)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: speedfr on April 16, 2018, 10:25:11 pm
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E-btjrfCR9M/TLyzgNXUZAI/AAAAAAAAAug/fb00YxI7Zmg/s400/muppet-show.jpg)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 17, 2018, 05:19:37 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 06, 2018, 10:21:02 pm
Now the question is: could you please post all the data you have on a 2018 Moto2?
Schematics, blueprints, wheelbase, length, width, height, engine torque curve, ... Anything is useful.

Thanks in advance.


Bump.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 17, 2018, 05:20:00 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 06, 2018, 10:45:24 pm
If someone here by accident knows anyone in a team however... A long stretch, but maybe...  :-[


Bump.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 17, 2018, 05:20:19 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 08, 2018, 02:33:43 pm

In addition to the 2018 Moto2, please post any info / schematics / data you have about 2018 Moto3 and either the Desmosedici GP6 or the 2006 RC211V.
Thank you.


Bump.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: guigui404 on April 17, 2018, 06:20:28 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 17, 2018, 05:20:19 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 08, 2018, 02:33:43 pm

In addition to the 2018 Moto2, please post any info / schematics / data you have about 2018 Moto3 and either the Desmosedici GP6 or the 2006 RC211V.
Thank you.


Bump.


Why don't you try to contact some teams , maybe they would provide info. For the car simracing they did , am I wrong ?
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 17, 2018, 06:44:57 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 17, 2018, 05:20:00 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 06, 2018, 10:45:24 pm
If someone here by accident knows anyone in a team however... A long stretch, but maybe...  :-[


Bump.


Speak to Meyer About M3...
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Meyer#12 on April 17, 2018, 06:52:23 pm
Quote from: matty0l215 on April 17, 2018, 06:44:57 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 17, 2018, 05:20:00 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 06, 2018, 10:45:24 pm
If someone here by accident knows anyone in a team however... A long stretch, but maybe...  :-[


Bump.


Speak to Meyer About M3...


M3 i know a fair bit about and can probably collect more information from other riders and teams. My team in sweden have good connections to big european teams.

I might also be able to get a little information about moto2 bikes, as i know a few guys that raced european championship moto2 and maybe i can get in contact with a rider or two from M2 world champs. Not sure if they answer as much as before they got into motoGP anymore ;)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: MultiCOOLFRESH on April 17, 2018, 08:08:50 pm
Hmm, Julian Chips has a riding coach, that was into some M2 series, if I remember correctly. Maybe he can give some intel about M2 :)

MCF
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 17, 2018, 10:29:57 pm
Quote from: Meyer#12 on April 17, 2018, 06:52:23 pm
M3 i know a fair bit about and can probably collect more information from other riders and teams. My team in sweden have good connections to big european teams.

I might also be able to get a little information about moto2 bikes, as i know a few guys that raced european championship moto2 and maybe i can get in contact with a rider or two from M2 world champs. Not sure if they answer as much as before they got into motoGP anymore ;)


Any schematic and data would be welcome. Thank you.
European Moto2 would be perfect... The bikes should be exactly the same, right? A Moto2 is very basic, and the engine almost stock...
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Meyer#12 on April 18, 2018, 06:42:47 am
Is it only moto2 you are interested in? i will do some digging and see what i can get out of people

I don't think the engines is a 100% stock, the Moto2 engines is around 130bhp, or maybe closer to 140bhp now, and a stock CBR engines is probably more like 110-115bhp.
I know they for example change to ported cylinder heads from the SSP kit.

Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 18, 2018, 10:21:44 am
Quote from: Meyer#12 on April 18, 2018, 06:42:47 am
Is it only moto2 you are interested in? i will do some digging and see what i can get out of people


Moto3 too! Thank you in advance  :)

Quote
I don't think the engines is a 100% stock, the Moto2 engines is around 130bhp, or maybe closer to 140bhp now, and a stock CBR engines is probably more like 110-115bhp.
I know they for example change to ported cylinder heads from the SSP kit.


Sure they are tuned, but it seems to me that the tuning level is not so extreme and all engines are more or less the same.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Meyer#12 on April 18, 2018, 11:07:34 am
I will see what i can get. Does all moto3 info have interest? not only world championships?

Yes, the engine are quite the same. It is a company outside the teams that does all the service on the engines and the engines are sealed and marked, so Dorna can controll it. All engines are randomely given to the teams.
In european championship i think many teams have last years Moto2 world champ engines.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: doNico on April 18, 2018, 10:05:43 pm
About moto2 engines see this

http://world.honda.com/MotoGP/2016/moto2_engines/

i might be able to get clean shots of the actual moto3 KTM

~doN
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 27, 2018, 04:31:09 pm
Quote from: Meyer#12 on April 18, 2018, 11:07:34 am
I will see what i can get. Does all moto3 info have interest? not only world championships?


Thank you. Yes, any Moto3 would be useful.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 27, 2018, 04:31:35 pm
Quote from: doNico on April 18, 2018, 10:05:43 pm
i might be able to get clean shots of the actual moto3 KTM

~doN


That would be great, thank you.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Blackheart on April 27, 2018, 06:16:27 pm
Personally I would like to see something new in the GP Bikes future:

- Pitbike and Minimoto with proper physics and new rider styles.

Moto2 and Moto3, are cool but really never see a game/sim with little bikes, and I think is quite easy ask for datas and specs at some team.

And we can use the krp tracks for this little things  ;D
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 28, 2018, 06:32:59 am
Pitbike and Minimoto are not bikes, they are gimmics!!! Why waste energy on such a toy when time could be used on real bikes? You make amazing bikes Blacky, some of the best in fact.

This is supposed to be a racing bike sim, not a gimmic sim. If anything it is stability of the sim that is needed, not content. 64 bit and better memory usage should come first for online racing which this is all about.

Not shooting you down just stating the facts. Either way. Please keep up the fantastic work you do. Thank you.

DD
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on April 28, 2018, 10:22:44 am
Quote from: Blackheart on April 27, 2018, 06:16:27 pm
Personally I would like to see something new in the GP Bikes future:

- Pitbike and Minimoto with proper physics and new rider styles.

Moto2 and Moto3, are cool but really never see a game/sim with little bikes, and I think is quite easy ask for datas and specs at some team.

And we can use the krp tracks for this little things  ;D


Pitbikes and minimotos are better suited as modding projects, rather than stock contents.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Blackheart on April 28, 2018, 07:41:38 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 28, 2018, 10:22:44 am
Quote from: Blackheart on April 27, 2018, 06:16:27 pm
Personally I would like to see something new in the GP Bikes future:

- Pitbike and Minimoto with proper physics and new rider styles.

Moto2 and Moto3, are cool but really never see a game/sim with little bikes, and I think is quite easy ask for datas and specs at some team.

And we can use the krp tracks for this little things  ;D


Pitbikes and minimotos are better suited as modding projects, rather than stock contents.


yeah but there are some issue with rider animations and phisics for make different mods:

- Small tires without a lean angle limit is a nightmare the only solution imho is give less grip on the rear tire but is not very realistic.
- Rider animations, mainly the arms, and bad results when the steer position is higher than the seat.

Little bikes are used also from wsbk rider like Melandri;

2:27 on the MiniGP is Macho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hwC5hxVyz8&t=190s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hwC5hxVyz8&t=190s)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 28, 2018, 08:38:45 pm
Ah, small bike physics does need improving massivly but i tend to agree, it shouldn't be a priority. Maybe a side projecet to designate another riding sytle for small bike
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Tosteetos on April 28, 2018, 08:52:32 pm
Quote from: doubledragoncc on April 28, 2018, 06:32:59 am
Pitbike and Minimoto are not bikes, they are gimmics!!! Why waste energy on such a toy when time could be used on real bikes? You make amazing bikes Blacky, some of the best in fact.

This is supposed to be a racing bike sim, not a gimmic sim.

DD


Cannot disagree more with the above statement.  If minibikes/smaller bikes were gimmicks, like you call them, riders would go straight to a GP/1000cc bike. There's a reason why they start with smaller displacement bikes. Plenty of pro riders train on smaller bikes.

I am all for a rideable 125cc at least, as part of the original content. This establishes a pathway for new riders to build up their skills and avoid having a bunch of mediocre riders running into each other on 200mph+ uncontrolled rockets.

I think we sometimes get too caught up in the "This is a sim" narrative. Not that I want GPB to be anything else, I come to it because of what it is, but we've gotten a little ridiculous with that.   

I do agree that the stability of the sim has to be improved, but that shouldn't rule out having a good set of bikes for original content, from a starter bike to a full blown GP bike.

Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on April 28, 2018, 09:03:29 pm
I will add however some of the best races I have participated in have been on bikes under 250CC :P
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: doubledragoncc on April 29, 2018, 07:06:36 am
Too true matty. The GP250 championship was great and you learn a lot on the bikes. I remember the GP80 one too that was a blast. These are NOT nini bikes, they are real bike size and it is different to minimoto/pitbike.

SMALL bike classes are important for learning.

DD
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: connorhall70 on April 30, 2018, 12:21:35 am
Quote from: doubledragoncc on April 29, 2018, 07:06:36 am
Too true matty. The GP250 championship was great and you learn a lot on the bikes. I remember the GP80 one too that was a blast. These are NOT nini bikes, they are real bike size and it is different to minimoto/pitbike.

SMALL bike classes are important for learning.

DD


SSP300 lol. (someone make plz)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: speedfr on May 02, 2018, 11:54:23 am

@Piboso : Coming back on a thought i had the other day, if you think about making a box edition even a limited box edition, i'll be on the list for that. Oh yes !  ;D

Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Tosteetos on May 02, 2018, 10:14:10 pm
I'd be all for that myself too!  8)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Myst1cPrun3 on May 03, 2018, 07:01:59 pm
In regards to steam modding without the workshop,I modded my flight sim in much the same way that we do GPB, by dragging and dropping, and there is very little issue, as a matter of fact I can't seem to recall one. The only possible issues I can think of is compatibility, and the fact the location of the main GPB directory would change, however I never had any issues with 'non-steam' mods there. Maybe some slight optimization differences, but that's all. That and the VAC system prevents major file changes for online use, so that really depends on if the steam version runs the VAC coding in it. The way I see it is that people who invest in GPB are here for the fun of it, and to have decent races, and not to cheat, so I doubt it'd be an issue but that remains to be seen I guess.
P.S: I would happily re-buy the Sim for steam as I love it that much, but it would be nice not to have to, keep it up  :) :)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Super Taranta ! on May 23, 2018, 09:42:05 am
Well, on the one side I am happy that the game will grow dramatically, on the other side I am quite mad because I love this community and it will never be the same after the steam release.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on May 23, 2018, 07:42:14 pm
Quote from: Super Taranta ! on May 23, 2018, 09:42:05 am
Well, on the one side I am happy that the game will grow dramatically, on the other side I am quite mad because I love this community and it will never be the same after the steam release.


First of all, given the experience with KRP, the Steam release will double the sales at best, so nothing dramatic.

Secondly, the vast majority of Steam users will stay on the Steam forum, so hardly anything will change here  :)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: maikeru on May 24, 2018, 10:34:41 am
Should I wait until the Steam release before I buy a license?
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: teeds on May 24, 2018, 10:56:58 am
Quote from: maikeru on May 24, 2018, 10:34:41 am
Should I wait until the Steam release before I buy a license?


No reason to wait, it'll be the same game no matter where you buy it. There are some bugs but it's a good game and is very playable for most. Pretty sure you'll be able to convert to a Steam key if you already purchased a version from this site prior to the Steam release (this is what happened with KRP so no reason it won't be the same here http://stats.kartracing-pro.com/steam.php ).
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Tom HWK on May 24, 2018, 01:39:17 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 18, 2018, 10:21:44 am
Moto3 too! Thank you in advance  :)


I don't know how open they are but I would have thought contacting some of the teams it the British Motostar Championship might be the best chance at getting real Moto3 data. They all seem to run ex-world championship bikes.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on May 24, 2018, 09:14:27 pm
Quote from: Tom HWK on May 24, 2018, 01:39:17 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on April 18, 2018, 10:21:44 am
Moto3 too! Thank you in advance  :)


I don't know how open they are but I would have thought contacting some of the teams it the British Motostar Championship might be the best chance at getting real Moto3 data. They all seem to run ex-world championship bikes.


I have NEVER received ANY info from teams or manufacturers, even when there was a partnership.
This is why I'm asking here... Maybe someone has first-hand contacts and can avoid me a huge waste of time.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on May 24, 2018, 09:19:54 pm

Apparently Moto2 bikes use Dunlop tyres sized 120/75 R17 at the front and 195/75 R17 at the rear.

According to my calculations, they should have a diameter of 612mm and 724mm, respectively.
However, this doesn't match photos and schematics, where the rear tyre seems to have a diamter around 652mm.

The formula is (195 * 100 / 75) * 2 + 17 * 25.4
What am I doing wrong?

Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: uberslug on May 24, 2018, 09:25:02 pm
Your formula is correct, however, tire sizes are not exact.

Have you checked what width rim is being used?
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on May 24, 2018, 09:40:39 pm
Quote from: uberslug on May 24, 2018, 09:25:02 pm
Your formula is correct, however, tire sizes are not exact.

Have you checked what width rim is being used?


Apparently, the front rim is 3.75", the rear 6".
How can this data help in determining the exact tyre size?
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: h106frp on May 24, 2018, 09:43:46 pm
Could it be a typo? 57 would get you the correct diameter
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on May 24, 2018, 09:55:39 pm
Quote from: h106frp on May 24, 2018, 09:43:46 pm
Could it be a typo? 57 would get you the correct diameter


The numbers seem to be correct:
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10367708_10204029368844349_4192101164921728513_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=82bd80de1b91b8b934d980bd8a3c086e&oe=5B8F810C)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: speedfr on May 24, 2018, 10:15:25 pm
Quote from: PiBoSo on May 24, 2018, 09:19:54 pm

Apparently Moto2 bikes use Dunlop tyres sized 120/75 R17 at the front and 195/75 R17 at the rear.

According to my calculations, they should have a diameter of 612mm and 724mm, respectively.
However, this doesn't match photos and schematics, where the rear tyre seems to have a diamter around 652mm.

The formula is (195 * 100 / 75) * 2 + 17 * 25.4
What am I doing wrong?

Thank you in advance.


I think there's a mistake in what you wrote but not what you calculate.


The formula is (195 * 75 / 100) * 2 + 17 * 25.4 = 724.3mm
Cuz with what you wrote its a truck wheel : 951.8mm (inversion of the 75% of the 195mm)

There's something else, if we take 652mm diameter for the wheel it will be then a 146/75 R17 which is not what your picture shows.

In 2010 apparently, the follwing board was on from Michelin on the CEV.
(see picture attached)

Edit : @Duterneracingparts, they have a 195/65 R17 from Dunlop for Moto2 (KR108) ... that will give a total diameter of 685mm...

here  --> https://www.duterneracingparts.com/index.php/kr-108-195-65-17.html?___store=default (https://www.duterneracingparts.com/index.php/kr-108-195-65-17.html?___store=default)





Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Fynn_96 on June 26, 2018, 02:10:42 pm
awesome news. :)
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: SenyaJO on July 31, 2018, 07:07:59 pm
Hi. Excellent news. What approximate date of an exit in Steam? And how much will it cost? I deducted that if you buy GPB on the site, then WRS is also activated? It's true?
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: huertasRC on July 31, 2018, 11:08:40 pm
wow this is fantastic, great news
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: PiBoSo on August 01, 2018, 08:55:15 pm
Quote from: SenyaJO on July 31, 2018, 07:07:59 pm
Hi. Excellent news. What approximate date of an exit in Steam? And how much will it cost? I deducted that if you buy GPB on the site, then WRS is also activated? It's true?


Unfortunately there is no date yet, not even an approximate one  :(
The price of the Steam version hasn't been decided either.
Yes, the standalone ( not Steam ) license of GP Bikes works for WRS, too.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: SenyaJO on August 02, 2018, 06:54:42 pm
Then I have to wait for the entrance to the Steam :-\. The site is expensive, for some regions, in our country.
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Boerenlater on August 03, 2018, 01:29:50 pm
good luck guys
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: Dixxturbia on October 09, 2018, 06:29:04 pm
I just want to remind EVERYONE here. I, Yes ME (ME), I was the one that said quite a long time, that to gain more people, more atraction to the game, etc, etc. This game Should have to be released in steam... I just want to remind you all, this is not something "omg Piboso is so smart", nah nah nah. I am the one behind all this (not joking). BTW I want 10% commission on steam sales (joking but seriously speaking) 
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: BOBR6 84 on October 11, 2018, 09:47:20 am
Wow moto2 run 195's on the rear? 180's i thought they used.. 180-65.. or 190's at most. 200 profile is superbike teritory
Title: Re: It's almost time...
Post by: matty0l215 on October 11, 2018, 12:00:28 pm
Gotta get that lean angle  ;D