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Title: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 04, 2018, 12:05:03 pm
I have a 2012 Honda cb1000r of which I'm fully satisfied (even if it has only 100cv, as in France bikes were limited to that before 2016). It has only 16500Km and is in perfect conditions.

But the devil is always around the corner, and this time the corner arrived in the form from a local delaer (well, like 150Km from my place), selling a demo Aprilia Tuono 1100 RR with 1600Km (2018 model, registered June 2018). The Tuono never really convinced me on the paper, mostly due to its look. But worldwide it's probably considered as the the best roadster out there (if you're looking into the extreme category that is) and got this confirmed first hand by some contacts & testers in the bike press world. So, I decided to try one. Big mistake :)

Saturday morning, roads are wet due to night rain. The garage still allows me to try it (they don't allow to try it if it's raining).
Guy says 30min, I give him a look, and he says OK for 60min, and he starts the 2018 Tuono 1100 Factory.

I don't consider myself a skilled rider, far from that. Had a bike since 2007, but only non-mad stuff (an Hornet 600 and the 100cv cb1000r).
If I had to desrcibe the Tuono with as few chars as possible, I'd say daunting. Maybe even fokin' daunting.
On it, you lose the sensation of speed. You lose your usual references for it.
Starting from a traffic light, you've not yet fully released the clutch and you're already doing 50Kmh. This happens in a 6 meters space.
If you are in 2nd gear and you blink your eyes, you're above 100Kmh and you're asking yourself why all the other vehicles are stopped.
The brakes are from another planet, at least for me. The shifter (up and down) is something you'll never give up once you try one (one that good).

From a practical standpoint, it's a bit of a nightmare: no space at all under the saddle, non fuel gauge (?), it was only 18 degrees but in the traffic the bike was already roasting my left thigh (guess that will be a problem in summer here, usually 30+ for 2 months min).

I didn't push the bike at all (even for my noobish level) because I was not comfortable/accustomed on it (and because the road was very wet). Question is: do I want to get accustomed to it ?
Anyway, I give it back, jump on my cb1000r (which now of course feels like an elephant with arthritis) and head for my local honda dealer to try a new (2018) cb1000r.

Funky looking bike the new cb1000r: not a big fan of the cafe racer stuff but have to admit that when you see one in front of you, the build quality is just of another level, even for Honda. And it has 140cv, so shouldn't be exactly a slug.

I jump on one that has a shifet (up and down) and an arrow exhaust (without db killer).
First impression: it feels like a toy. Not because it is a toy, probably because its lighter than my own cb1000r (which is good) and because it feels shorter than both my bike and the Tuono (but the three has the exact same wheelbase, down to the mm).
What strikes me immediately is that I instantly feel at ease on it and hence I feel I can push it more on the same road I tried the Tuono on (but to be honest, the road is now less wet than before). The sound is unimpressing (even with the arrow), but the bike is very agile, engine revs all good, the quickshifter is a joy to use (gear up it's almost seamless, gear down it works much better than I thought).

From a practical point of view, it's way less radical: some space under the saddle, it doesn't roast you legs and ass, you're sitting upright (wrists tend to like that).

In the end, the 'almost new' Tuono would cost me as much as the new cb1000r. So now I'm left with a dilemma: I'm 45 with family and kids, so the cb1000r (which I think is plenty fast and fun) is a match. But the Tuono ... how to say it ... the idea of twisting the throttle just a bit (it's short) in the underground parking of my workplace and have the whole building shaking ... :)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: h106frp on November 04, 2018, 03:01:10 pm
Not often that life offers such pleasant decisions to make  ;D

Personal experience is that the more extreme the bike the less it gets ridden. Top/front heavy, turning circle of an oil tanker, too much power(fast) Probably  for normal roads (licenece fretting) and too 'precious' all put you off using it on a regular basis. Probably easier on the continent with less crowded/policed roads though  :)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: matty0l215 on November 04, 2018, 04:00:09 pm
S1000R ?

Mental Nature when push but also (apparently, According to Royal Jordanian on Youtube) a commutable bike and capable of going touring if that floats your boat.

Sounds aggressive as well with a bit of end can swapping :P

That or go mad and get a Super Duke 1290 R and wake most of the Mediterranean up :P
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 04, 2018, 04:08:33 pm
@h106frp: tend to agree, but fact is I did 9000Km in 4 years with my previous one, so I'm already in the camp of those who rarely use the bike. The cost per Km I do is just insane :)

@matty: s1000r and 1290 were obviously in the shortlist, but they are just a tad too pricey. If I had an offer for a 1290 comparable to the Tuono one (price range, condition) then I'd probbaly go with the SuperDuke R. Just as mental, but somehow more usable on the road.
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: matty0l215 on November 04, 2018, 04:31:08 pm
What about giving a Triumph Speed Triple a try? I can certainly vouch for the nice ride and smooth power (although lacking compared to something like the Tuono or 1290 so maybe not if that's what you are looking for)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 04, 2018, 05:50:12 pm
Never been a big fan of it aesthetically (but I liked the Street, that I didn't buy just because it was heating my balls like a barbecue you're sitting on).

I find it a bit overpriced too: the creme-de-la-creme RS starts at 16.2 KE and lacks a quickshifter ... at that price it's a Tuono or SuperDukeR fight (even the S is probably more expensive than the Tuono, at least here).

P.S.
Other annoyance with the 2018 Tuono: Euro4 means it has an exhaust valve in the silencer, not in the collector.
So it is almost impossible to replace the big stock exhaust with a better looking (and road legal) aftermarket one. Yawn.
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: matty0l215 on November 04, 2018, 06:05:10 pm
Fair point (the Triumphs are overpriced even in the UK. They seem to do a lot more finance bikes than straight sales)

Exup Bypass should be an easy Mod. Disconnect the actuator cables and leave the servo twisting away merrily.
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 04, 2018, 06:09:25 pm
Quote from: matty0l215 on November 04, 2018, 06:05:10 pm
Fair point (the Triumphs are overpriced even in the UK. They seem to do a lot more finance bikes than straight sales)

Ducati docet :)

Quote from: matty0l215 on November 04, 2018, 06:05:10 pm
Exup Bypass should be an easy Mod. Disconnect the actuator cables and leave the servo twisting away merrily.

Sadly, no. You need a specific little thingy to bypass the valve without the ECU noticing it, or you're screwed (dash error + engione limited after a few Kms). And after that, you need a re-map of the ECU too, bu tof course most Aprilia dealers are OK to sell this to you only if you buy a full Akra line from the (1600-2200E, and I don't even like the look of it). So yeah, for once the OEM exhaust  is likely to stay on :)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: matty0l215 on November 04, 2018, 06:14:17 pm
Bloody European Laws  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 04, 2018, 07:25:30 pm
I'd blame Aprilia more, plenty of other bikes are Euro4 without the need of that complex stuff (the valve actuator itself is 1Kg!).
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: matty0l215 on November 04, 2018, 07:54:10 pm
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 04, 2018, 07:25:30 pm
I'd blame Aprilia more, plenty of other bikes are Euro4 without the need of that complex stuff (the valve actuator itself is 1Kg!).


I think I'd have to put up with the engine warning light or find a way to bypass  :o

The stock Daytona is a similar setup. Luckily a handy piece of software and a Bluetooth ODB tool and poof! exup disabled and fault light gone ;D
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: BOBR6 84 on November 05, 2018, 11:31:51 am
The Aprillia comes with ohlins suspension and brembo brakes right?

Id choose that for when the mid life crisis hits  ;D
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 05, 2018, 11:42:17 am
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 05, 2018, 11:31:51 am
The Aprillia comes with ohlins suspension and brembo brakes right?

The Factory has ohlins, the cheapo (sort of) RR has only Sachs Gold. For my usage, both are way too much.
Brembo M50 on both Factory and RR: more stopping power I hope to ever need.

Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 05, 2018, 11:31:51 am
Id choose that for when the mid life crisis hits  ;D

That's my reasoning too, I'd soon be too old for something insane.
So yeah, YOLO ... or in the Tuono (and similar bikes) case, YODO (as in You Only Die Once).
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: BOBR6 84 on November 05, 2018, 12:32:33 pm
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 05, 2018, 11:42:17 am
Quote from: BOBR6 84 on November 05, 2018, 11:31:51 am
The Aprillia comes with ohlins suspension and brembo brakes right?

The Factory has ohlins, the cheapo (sort of) RR has only Sachs Gold. For my usage, both are way too much.
Brembo M50 on both Factory and RR: more stopping power I hope to ever need.


Always better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: matty0l215 on November 05, 2018, 01:33:03 pm
Oh now come on Bob. The extra money saved is better spent setting up the suspension than the shiny Ohlins ;D

We expect to see the Update picture either on the road or in the hospital Max ;) ;D
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Stout Johnson on November 05, 2018, 08:15:04 pm
I've also always liked the Tuono. But the new cb1000r is also a very nice bike. I have had a similar decision to make. For me it was between the Tuono, R nineT and Thruxton R. Imo, in the end the most important questions you have to ask yourself:

1) the looks
Which bike's look do you prefer and most importantly, which look can you imagine yourself to get tired of the least over time? In your case, I would definitely say that the CB1000R has a much more classy and timeless look.

2) Are you the absolute racer or do you also like to take a fun ride every now and then?
If you can live with being out-accelerated by others every now and then, then take the CB1000R. If you need the absolute horsepower then take the Tuono. In terms of riding fast on your favorite roads after work, there is no need to have a Tuono. On curvy public roads, the riding skills decide whether you are fast or not. I can ride with almost anybody on public roads with my Thruxton R. It is funny to see the look on some guys on 200hp bikes not being able to shake me off. It is on racetracks where I am clearly slower due to the lack of horsepower. But even then it is only on tracks with long straights and I rarely go to racetracks (max 1x a year). So ask yourself which type of rider you are. If you hate to be slower than others, then take the Tuono, if you don't care to drag-race with others then take the Honda. Another nice thing of having a less aggressive looking bike: If you are not in the mood for riding fast, nobody will judge you. But if you have a Tuono, everybody expects you to ride fast. I have made the experience that oneself also has the tendency of always trying to live up to the expectations. Having a less aggressive bike makes riding more enjoyable. If I am not in the mood for riding fast or I am riding with my girlfriend, then it feels better on a 'normal' bike.

3) What kind of engine sound do you prefer?
Imo the V4 sound is absolutely sexy. And I hate the sound of inline-4-cylinder engines. Not sure how you think about it. That is something very indivdual. But from my experience, the sound of the engine is crucial for having a long-lasting love for one's bike.

Whichever way you decide, I wish you much fun and always a safe ride!  ;)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 05, 2018, 10:01:32 pm
Thanks Stout (and all, of course).

Look-wise, I wasn't a big fan of the Tuono and I'm not 100% convinced by the new cb1000r either.
The new cb1000r is a bit of a gamble: I'm not sure in 5 years from now the "retro cafe reacer" will still be en vogue.
I've put the tuono on my desktop wallpaper and it's growing on my little by little: not because it looks nice (it doesn't, my friend had a word with an Aprilia designer who confirmed the idea was definitely *not* to make it look nice, quite the contrary actually), but because it screams power in your face, from any angle, even when you look at it from below :)

But you're absolutely right, something more quiet and less aggressive looking would definitely be the logical, wise choice: I absolutely don't care of other passing me on lesser bikes. I'm not a racer and I never try to prove the contrary on public roads. And yeah, there's zero need for a Tuono on public roads (well, neither for the honda's 140hp actually ...).

It's just that the temptation of having a stupid powerful and capable bike once in a lifetime (cause I don't see myself doing that in too many years from now) is so strong ...

Anyway, money-time is coming, just got a very acceptable offer for my current cb1000r so yeah ... time to sleep over the decision.
Odds at the moment (assuming I do sell my bike): Tuono 55% - cb1000r 45%.
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Napalm Nick on November 06, 2018, 12:08:59 am
Act your age Max.

An old Triumph, BSA, Matchless, or similar classic era bike you can show to youngsters and their Tourno twist-and-goes and remind them that these bikes had to be ridden back in the day. Cant believe you want a fuel gauge lol. I mean whats the point of having a 200 mph rocket that you will never use and even if you do reach that speed it will be like sitting on a marshmallow sipping Earl Grey tea. At the very least go for the one that burns a hole in your leg like a proper motorbike used to. If you can get it to piss crank oil on yer goggles and rear tyre too its worth getting in my opinion.  Something that makes you feel like a biker not one of them London 90s yuppies.   Jeez.  Luvvies everywhere.

I did well not to mention 2 strokes. I know you would appreciate another view -cover all the angles and all that.

Edit: The Thruxton R is a no brainer. Bikers will still speak to you. (If you want their greasy words of course).
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 06, 2018, 07:56:11 am
Quote from: Napalm Nick on November 06, 2018, 12:08:59 am
Act your age Max.

Well given the shortlist I had in my head (SuperDukeR, Tuono, s1000r), the idea was clearly not to act my age.

Quote from: Napalm Nick on November 06, 2018, 12:08:59 am
Cant believe you want a fuel gauge lol.

I can live without, but what's the point on purposely not having one ?! That bike even has a lean angle indicator on its dash.

Quote from: Napalm Nick on November 06, 2018, 12:08:59 am
I mean whats the point of having a 200 mph rocket that you will never use

None. That's the beauty of it :)

Quote from: Napalm Nick on November 06, 2018, 12:08:59 am
At the very least go for the one that burns a hole in your leg like a proper motorbike used to.

The Tuono can actually do that I think (left side in particular).

Quote from: Napalm Nick on November 06, 2018, 12:08:59 am
I did well not to mention 2 strokes.

I may actually consider that when I change my lawnmower :)

Quote from: Napalm Nick on November 06, 2018, 12:08:59 am
Edit: The Thruxton R is a no brainer. Bikers will still speak to you. (If you want their greasy words of course).

Why all the brittons are trying to sell me uk-made bikes ?
Do you have stock you fear not to be able to flush due to brexit ? :) :) :)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Napalm Nick on November 06, 2018, 08:57:24 am
Hehe   8)

Going onto reserve fuel is the definition of a bike. You can only get more 'bike' if you fit a kick-start too. Does the lean indicator have a synchro feed to level the Pimms dispenser and cigar lighter?

I think your mind is made up, Tuono-boy.  ;) I guess there's still time to find your biker when you retire.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: h106frp on November 06, 2018, 09:18:30 am
Your opening statement is probably the most revealing;

''The Tuono never really convinced me on the paper, mostly due to its look''

Did you find any new love for it after a ride ? i.e. would you just sit and look at it admiringly,  or is it just the tech/power side that impresses? as that will always be surpassed by the latest offerings.
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: matty0l215 on November 06, 2018, 12:45:26 pm
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 06, 2018, 07:56:11 am
Quote from: Napalm Nick on November 06, 2018, 12:08:59 am
Edit: The Thruxton R is a no brainer. Bikers will still speak to you. (If you want their greasy words of course).

Why all the brittons are trying to sell me uk-made bikes ?
Do you have stock you fear not to be able to flush due to brexit ? :) :) :)


Because why wouldn't you want a questionable reliable, mediocre at best (unless you get the 675 or 765), made in India bike? ;D


Rule Britannia
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Stout Johnson on November 06, 2018, 05:26:48 pm
Quote from: h106frp on November 06, 2018, 09:18:30 am
Your opening statement is probably the most revealing;

''The Tuono never really convinced me on the paper, mostly due to its look''

Did you find any new love for it after a ride ? i.e. would you just sit and look at it admiringly,  or is it just the tech/power side that impresses? as that will always be surpassed by the latest offerings.

Good point there h. If one has second thoughts on the looks of a bike, it might not be the one to buy. On the other hand, from what I have heard from others (I personally haven't ridden the latest Tuono models), the Tuono seems to be hell of a bike with great handling, nice breaks and a very nice engine. So, I can imagine that MaX might consider it, even if he does not really like the looks 100%. On the other hand again, the looks are also pretty important. It's like with woman - you have to find the right mix. Perfect looks, but nothing more to her and you will see your admiration dwindle rather quickly. If the woman does have a great personality but lacks in beauty, you can go a good distance, but sooner or later, you will find a woman with a great personality AND good looks.

So, maybe the advice to MaX should be: If you have a great offer for your current bike, sell it. Then take your time until spring to collect yourself and find out which bike you really want. My guess is, that it is neither the Tuono nor the Cb1000R, because you simply are not in love with either one at the moment. Within the next 2 years, I think there will be many new bikes coming out that have a good chance of winning your heart.

Among current bikes, you should definitely look at the BMW S 1000 R, Speed Triple or even Street Triple. Even if you don't think you would like them, you can never really know unless you haven't ridden them. Riding a bike is something completely different to only seeing it. You can fall in love with the seating position, the sound, the handling etc. Since you do not seem to be in love with either bike, just test them. There is nothing to lose and it is fun to compare. I bet you might fall in love with the smooth thottle and the sound of a Speed Triple. If you do not like the underseat pipes (like me) then you can get aftermarket side pipes.

If you wait a little, BMW might bring a new S 1000 and Suzuki might have an all-new GSX1000 within 2 years. Also HD announced a very good looking power-naked which is reminiscent of the old Buell models. I like the looks very much.
https://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/sites/motorcyclecruiser.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2018/07/h-d_v-twin-sportbike.jpg?itok=xEBf5XHm&fc=50,50

All I am saying. Test the market. Don't buy something you will be fed up with in 2 years ; ) But if you do, you will most likely be able to sell a Tuono without making much of a loss in 2 years if you find a bike you love. So do whatevery your heart tells you in Spring  ;)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 06, 2018, 09:13:57 pm
Quote from: matty0l215 on November 06, 2018, 12:45:26 pm
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 06, 2018, 07:56:11 am
Why all the brittons are trying to sell me uk-made bikes ?
Do you have stock you fear not to be able to flush due to brexit ? :) :) :)


Because why wouldn't you want a questionable reliable, mediocre at best (unless you get the 675 or 765), made in India bike? ;D

There are bikes outside the british empire and its colonies nowadays, you know ? :)

Quote from: h106frp on November 06, 2018, 09:18:30 am
Did you find any new love for it after a ride ? i.e. would you just sit and look at it admiringly,  or is it just the tech/power side that impresses? as that will always be surpassed by the latest offerings.

Aesthetically no. It's a bike with only one purpose, and that purpose is not win a beauty contest.
But let me tone this down a bit: I don't find it utterly ugly, like for example an mt-10 (personal taste, of course; it seems to be a very very funny bike too).

But generally speaking, well yes, I did find new love. The kind of dangerous love you know you should not get tangled with.
Unless you've already put your less noble parts on a bike of this calibre, then you're bounded to be very impressed (valid in general, I would probably be as impressed by an SDR or an s1000r).

There are a few of details that point me in the italian job direction: first, I have a second hand Tuono (dealer demo bike, 1600Km, 4 months old, basically new) that I can have at a very good price. But of course, it can get sold overnight leaving me with remorse only.

Second, I've been asking my journo friend to feed me all the press info on big naked bikes reviews in the past 3 years at least. And the outcome (amongst serious reviewers and only in comparative tests) is nearly unanimous, no matter the country of origin of the reviewer. At that scale, it has to mean something.

And third my journo friend himself has been constantly, invevitably replying to all my nitpicking about the tuono with something like "yeah, the SDR is exremely funny, yeah the s1000r has some pros, yeah <inster whichever bike here> can be considered, but jesus ... the Tuono ... it's porn!".

@Stout: HD ? Big no-no for me.
But I agree on the approach "buy the tuono, have a quickie and sell it if not satisfied" :)

My buyer comes here this saturday with the money: deal signed, if the Tuono is still on the market then I'll try to negotiate the last few euros before finally giving up the ghost and probably walking around with a weird smile on my face until the day I can pick the Tuono up.
If by then it's gone, then too bad. I'm fairly sure the new cb1000r will give me plenty of good rides and who knows, if alzheimer spares me for a few more years, maybe I still have time for a hooligan bike later on.

P.S.
For what it's worth, my 10yo son and 8yo daugther are partial to the Tuono. And yes, I do occasionaly ride with them so, technically speaking, they are stakeholders in this :)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: matty0l215 on November 06, 2018, 09:23:24 pm
Right call about the Tuono.

For me, Japanese bikes just don't have the passion that Euro bikes do.

Quote from: Stout Johnson on November 06, 2018, 05:26:48 pm
All I am saying. Test the market. Don't buy something you will be fed up with in 2 years ; ) But if you do, you will most likely be able to sell a Tuono without making much of a loss in 2 years if you find a bike you love. So do whatevery your heart tells you in Spring  ;)


Half the fun of owning a bike is thinking of which one to get next :P
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 06, 2018, 09:28:26 pm
Quote from: matty0l215 on November 06, 2018, 09:23:24 pm
Quote from: Stout Johnson on November 06, 2018, 05:26:48 pm
All I am saying. Test the market. Don't buy something you will be fed up with in 2 years ; ) But if you do, you will most likely be able to sell a Tuono without making much of a loss in 2 years if you find a bike you love. So do whatevery your heart tells you in Spring  ;)


Half the fun of owning a bike is thinking of which one to get next :P

Tempted to quote Stout here: it's like with with women  :P
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Warlock on November 07, 2018, 02:11:21 am
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 05, 2018, 10:01:32 pm

It's just that the temptation of having a stupid powerful and capable bike once in a lifetime (cause I don't see myself doing that in too many years from now) is so strong ...




Then do it m8, you will regret not doing it or you will regret not doing it  :P.

Go buy a stupid powerfull bike, ride it until you are tired of it and sell. The thing is you won't get tired of a powerfull bike of nowadays, always satisfying when you twist the wrist.   :P

Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 08, 2018, 08:58:40 am
Quote from: Warlock on November 07, 2018, 02:11:21 am

Then do it m8, you will regret not doing it or you will regret not doing it  :P.

Go buy a stupid powerfull bike, ride it until you are tired of it and sell. The thing is you won't get tired of a powerfull bike of nowadays, always satisfying when you twist the wrist.   :P


Hehehe :)

D-day (as in decision day) getting closer.
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Stout Johnson on November 08, 2018, 11:43:38 am
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 08, 2018, 08:58:40 am
D-day (as in decision day) getting closer.

Keep us posted mate. But I assume we will know as soon as your same is changed to TuonoMaX  :P
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 08, 2018, 03:00:06 pm
Quote from: Stout Johnson on November 08, 2018, 11:43:38 am
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 08, 2018, 08:58:40 am
D-day (as in decision day) getting closer.

Keep us posted mate. But I assume we will know as soon as your same is changed to TuonoMaX  :P

Nah, the first bike is always a special one.
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 10, 2018, 04:40:08 pm
Next saturday:

(https://www.leblogauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Days-of-thunder-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: JamoZ on November 10, 2018, 09:26:51 pm
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 10, 2018, 04:40:08 pm
Next saturday:

(https://www.leblogauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Days-of-thunder-1.jpg)


You bought a daytona :]
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 17, 2018, 06:35:56 pm
Quote from: JamoZ on November 10, 2018, 09:26:51 pm
You bought a daytona :]

Hehe. Nice try.

Toy is in. Daddy is happy.

(https://i.imgur.com/iDiGf88.jpg)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: matty0l215 on November 17, 2018, 06:38:16 pm
Bellissimo!
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Napalm Nick on November 18, 2018, 09:53:20 am
Yummy!  8)
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Stout Johnson on November 19, 2018, 02:45:56 pm
Nice! Judged upon the vegatation pictured above, I would say you still have fairly warm weather where you live. So enjoy that babe and always ride safely mate!
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Hawk on November 19, 2018, 06:04:49 pm
Nice Max! ;D

You'll need some big safety run-off areas if your going on the road with that beast mate!  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Warlock on November 19, 2018, 07:02:06 pm
hohohooo, congrats man !  you certainly must be a happy daddy  , thats a real beast  :)

Enjoy it , ride safe

..cough ! aheemmm akrapovic  !  ;D
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 19, 2018, 08:27:20 pm
Thanks all.

Weather is still very reasonable, although this morning I've seen only 5C (but during the day it's way better). Problem is time to ride it, should be a bit better from December on.

Run-off areas: definitely something I hope not to need / test :)

Akra: one of the thing that really sucks on the 2018 Tuono is that to comply woth Euro4, they had to put an exhaust valve and it is in the silencer, not in the collectors. So swapping the gigantinc OEM silencer is a bit of a nightmare (small electronic stuff to make the ECU think the valve is still there + remapping of the ECU). And of course, all this is not homologated (i.e. non street-legal). Only street-legal option is the dedicated Akra, which has 2 issues to me: first it's still big as fuck (so no aesthetic gain and essentially no weight gain) and second it costs a little fortune. That's annoying ... on Euro3 models you had plenty of choices for aftermarket slip-ons ...

Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: Warlock on November 20, 2018, 02:27:00 am
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 19, 2018, 08:27:20 pm
Akra: one of the thing that really sucks on the 2018 Tuono is that to comply woth Euro4, they had to put an exhaust valve and it is in the silencer, not in the collectors. So swapping the gigantinc OEM silencer is a bit of a nightmare (small electronic stuff to make the ECU think the valve is still there + remapping of the ECU). And of course, all this is not homologated (i.e. non street-legal). Only street-legal option is the dedicated Akra, which has 2 issues to me: first it's still big as fuck (so no aesthetic gain and essentially no weight gain) and second it costs a little fortune. That's annoying ... on Euro3 models you had plenty of choices for aftermarket slip-ons ...


Ohh.. that's a bummer   :-\  , true the legal akra still an aberration .....
Well, pretty sure you will find a way to put the race one sooner or later, a man just can't live with that huge can in one side of the bike  ;D
Title: Re: Itching to replace my bike, I tried a couple of recent ones.
Post by: HornetMaX on November 20, 2018, 07:51:55 am
Quote from: Warlock on November 20, 2018, 02:27:00 am
Ohh.. that's a bummer   :-\  , true the legal akra still an aberration .....
Well, pretty sure you will find a way to put the race one sooner or later, a man just can't live with that huge can in one side of the bike  ;D

This time it's gonna be hard: most of the yummy slip-ons are not road-legal and if you happen to find a road-legal one, usually Aprilia dealers are not happy to apply you the modified map (because of course they have the order to only do this for the "official" Akra ones). Yawn ...