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I'm going to be creating bikes from the 1960's up to mid 1980's. Now the riders from those era's look different to the modern day riders of the modern era(talking about the leathers), in particular they didn't have the hump on their backs.
I'd like to create new riders for my Mod bikes; I presume it is possible to Mod riders and styles of riding(animation) just the same as it is possible to create and add Mod Bikes? I also presume that it would just be a case of replacing the mesh and animation files and then altering certain config/ini files(which ones and what needs to be taken into consideration in these files?) to achieve this objective.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated and would also be of great value to the information being collected for GP Bikes modders.

This is sounding great Hawk !!
I love classic bike`s ..any sneek previews ???

greetings

Ghost

Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 07, 2014, 09:50:11 PM
This is sounding great Hawk !!
I love classic bike`s ..any sneek previews ???

greetings

Ghost

Sorry.... No sneak previews until the work is at least 95% finished.... Patience! Hehe. ;D ;D

great man, looking for a serious 60's and 70's mod :)

Quote from: Hawk_UK on May 11, 2014, 05:43:43 PM

Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 07, 2014, 09:50:11 PM
This is sounding great Hawk !!
I love classic bike`s ..any sneek previews ???

greetings

Ghost

Sorry.... No sneak previews until the work is at least 95% finished.... Patience! Hehe. ;D ;D

Aaah youre killing me here Hawk  ;D
but can`t wait for the oldtimers ..alway`s wanted to ride a cafe racer  :P

I can tell you that the bike I'm working on at the moment is the 1982 Yamaha YZR 500cc bike, so if your expecting a bike from the 60's or 70's then you will have to be even more patient.  :P ;D

But I would like to create a custom rider mesh to go with it, to represent that era's riders leathers design without the hump on the back.  :)

np,  just work and i'm happy :D

A friend is currently making a new rider built from scratch (his model is based on Valentino Rossi with Dainese leather)

@PiBoSo : Can we have any hint on how to create an appropriate .anm for the model? My friend knows how to do animations so we just need to know how to integrate it in the game.

Sounds good Hawk !! the Yamaha ..is that the one whit the ducktail on the rear ?
It`s a good thing youre not living close to me Hawk ..i would stand behind you with a iron bar ..to make you work faster hahah

no joking ! good work mate . can`t wait for the bikes !

Greetz Ghost

Quote from: GhostdogNL on May 15, 2014, 04:51:37 PM
Sounds good Hawk !! the Yamaha ..is that the one whit the ducktail on the rear ?
It`s a good thing youre not living close to me Hawk ..i would stand behind you with a iron bar ..to make you work faster hahah

no joking ! good work mate . can`t wait for the bikes !

Greetz Ghost

Hi Ghost.

Yes, I think we're talking the same bike? But just to make sure, here is some pics of the bike I'm working on:

Barry Sheene: 1982 JPS YZR OW60 500cc Yamaha.
(https://flic.kr/p/nC5NGN)


King Kenney Roberts and Barry Sheene, 1982 YZR OW60 500cc Yamaha's:
(https://flic.kr/p/nC5NGs)

If I can eventually also create the riders for these bikes I will be well pleased.  ;D 8)

I think Juju is still creating the Honda NS500cc bike you see in the background of the above photo ridden by Freddie Spencer. Would be great to have these two bikes in the Bike MOD Catalogue.  ;D

Quote from: Hawk_UK on May 15, 2014, 09:38:36 PM

I think Juju is still creating the Honda NR500cc bike you see in the background of the above photo ridden by Freddie Spencer. Would be great to have these two bikes in the Bike MOD Catalogue.  ;D

nr500 ->  not a 2 stroke  ;)

A factory road racer fitted with revolutionary oval piston engine (containing 8 valves per cylinder.).
499,5cc V4 -> rpm up to 20000!!! (what a screamer  ;D )  / tachometer up to 21000rpm.  :o

Think we don´t have a competitor for this type of bike..... ???

Quote from: Hawk_UK on May 15, 2014, 09:38:36 PM
I think Juju is still creating the Honda NS500cc bike you see in the background of the above photo ridden by Freddie Spencer. Would be great to have these two bikes in the Bike MOD Catalogue.  ;D

Quote from: Alby46 on May 16, 2014, 03:59:46 AM

Quote from: Hawk_UK on May 15, 2014, 09:38:36 PM

I think Juju is still creating the Honda NR500cc bike you see in the background of the above photo ridden by Freddie Spencer. Would be great to have these two bikes in the Bike MOD Catalogue.  ;D

Quote from: C21 on May 16, 2014, 07:56:47 AM
nr500 ->  not a 2 stroke  ;)

A factory road racer fitted with revolutionary oval piston engine (containing 8 valves per cylinder.).
499,5cc V4 -> rpm up to 20000!!! (what a screamer  ;D )  / tachometer up to 21000rpm.  :o

Think we don´t have a competitor for this type of bike..... ???

@C21: You are absolutely correct. ;D


@Alby. I think you'll find Juju is creating the NS500(2 stroke ), not the NR(4 stroke). At least according to the Bike MOD WIP Listings.  :P ;D

Quote from: C21 on May 16, 2014, 07:56:47 AM
nr500 ->  not a 2 stroke  ;)

A factory road racer fitted with revolutionary oval piston engine (containing 8 valves per cylinder.).
499,5cc V4 -> rpm up to 20000!!! (what a screamer  ;D )  / tachometer up to 21000rpm.  :o

Think we don´t have a competitor for this type of bike..... ???

Hmmm ... both oval pistons and 8 valves per cylinder have never ever been used again since that revolutionary bike :)
And the whole NR project has been abandoned 3 year later (in favor of the 2 strokes NS) due to lack of results.

Technically interesting (man, 8 valves in a 125cc cylinder, what a nightmare) but practically a big failure I'd say.

Still, very funky bike :)

MaX.

QuoteHmmm ... both oval pistons and 8 valves per cylinder have never ever been used again since that revolutionary bike :)
And the whole NR project has been abandoned 3 year later (in favor of the 2 strokes NS) due to lack of results.

Sorry but i disagree on that MAX.
The NR750 was build in the late 80´s. (90-V-4-4Stroke, 4 oval pistons 101,2 x 50,6 mm (equal to a bore of 75,3 mm) and a stroke of 42 mm placed on two sweet titanium rods each  ;Dl)
They raced in the 24hours in LeMans 1987 and a street model was released in 1992.
It was the last oval piston street bike ever build.
The price for the NR750 was about 50000Euro and only 300 were ever build.
Internal code was RC40.

Yeah, I was talking in gp racing.

But even in overall racing (and even more for road bikes), the oval piston stuff never seemed a good trade-off.

MaX.

i knew he was creating the nr500, since odi was making the ns500

i'am ready to make goods 3D riders :D, i'am doing Rossi, after him i think i will do an old school like this one:
http://charlescamberoque.unblog.fr/files/2010/06/bsa.gif
I heard that we have the ability to change rider's animations but we have no hint on how to do that. I'm currently making a new rider, but I'm asking myself if it's relevant because I don't want to take a lot of hours for nothing.

Your best bet would be to send Piboso a PM

Forum is here for that  :)

Quote from: YAC on May 18, 2014, 08:07:46 PM
I heard that we have the ability to change rider's animations but we have no hint on how to do that. I'm currently making a new rider, but I'm asking myself if it's relevant because I don't want to take a lot of hours for nothing.

Oh I'm sure that Piboso will reveal at some stage how to change the current default rider with a custom one, if not then I'm also sure that with a little testing the community will work it out for ourselves, so I'm sure your work will not be for nothing YAC.  ;) 8)

Good news!!! :)

Some oldschool 500 yams!  8) Oldschool style riders!

New style riders!
BSB tracks/bikes..

Millions of paintjobs haha

Endurance bikes!
Etc etc etc..

Gpbikes is rolling along quite nicely it seems!
Great work everyone!

Wish I could help with some modding but I know nothing lol :/

Ps. If somebody creates Barry sheene.. Dont forget the hair!!  8)

Barry Sheene i'm writting on the list "to do" ^^  ;D

Hawk UK, I regularly have access to the only remaining 0W60 in the world (and I think there are 2 remaining 0W69, the 580cc version). Next time is on the 4th of July in Spa Francorchamps. Do you want lots of pictures? Also, I'll see what I have in my archives.

I have pictures of the engine somewhere too, it's a square 4, really nice bike.

The frame is one of the first aluminium frames Yamaha made (the 0W53 in 1981 has one too) with a square section, too.

Quote from: EdouardB on June 16, 2014, 07:58:13 AM
Hawk UK, I regularly have access to the only remaining 0W60 in the world (and I think there are 2 remaining 0W69, the 580cc version). Next time is on the 4th of July in Spa Francorchamps. Do you want lots of pictures? Also, I'll see what I have in my archives.

I have pictures of the engine somewhere too, it's a square 4, really nice bike.

The frame is one of the first aluminium frames Yamaha made (the 0W53 in 1981 has one too) with a square section, too.

Wow! I honestly didn't realise that there was only one genuine OW60 remaining. That is sad.. but at the same time you are very lucky too! Nice one mate! ;D

Edouard, I 'd like as many photo's as you can let me have please mate.... I've been working off a hand drawn side pic at the moment for size and accuracy, and it would be great if you have or can get some top down photo's, and pics of the instrument details  and fork yokes, and a top, side, front, rear pics(as square on as possible please).  ;D

As soon as I've finished Mallory Park 1978, I'm going to try and crack on with this bike and get it finished.

Thanks Edouard, very much appreciate this mate! ;) ;D 8)

Hawk.

Yeah, I'm lucky to have access to that (it's not mine though, and I don't ride it) :) .

Basically 8 (or 6, can't remember) of them were produced in total.
7 (or 5) of them were destroyed by Yamaha at the end of 1982, they always did that back then. They should have destroyed the last one, but Yamaha Motor France got it and had GP racer Marc Fontan race on it. It then stayed in the Yamaha Motor France collection for years.

After that, the chassis was renovated by frenchman Yves Kerlo (you can find some pics of the bike on his website - http://www.kerloclassic.com/kerlo-restauration-1.php?id=97&idref=1 ) and the engine by Christian Sarron's former mechanic Jacky Germain.

The bike is regularly ridden by Steve Baker, Giacomo Agostini, Christian Sarron and Hubert Rigal at classic events across Europe within the Yamaha Motor France classic team.

I'll take a lot of pictures. Everything on it is beautiful, especially the triple clamps which I love (they are very similar to the 0W53). True factory machine!

Quote from: YAC on May 18, 2014, 11:30:28 PM
Barry Sheene i'm writting on the list "to do" ^^  ;D

+1  ;D

Keep us informed of your progress and integration into GP Bikes. This will be very informative and useful information for others to learn the process.  ;D

Are you going to create the character model with 3ds Max, Poser Pro, Maya or will you be using another application?


Hawk.

PS: A Kenny Roberts rider would be great also.  ;D

Quote from: EdouardB on June 16, 2014, 08:43:56 AM
Yeah, I'm lucky to have access to that (it's not mine though, and I don't ride it) :) .

Basically 8 (or 6, can't remember) of them were produced in total.
7 (or 5) of them were destroyed by Yamaha at the end of 1982, they always did that back then. They should have destroyed the last one, but Yamaha Motor France got it and had GP racer Marc Fontan race on it. It then stayed in the Yamaha Motor France collection for years.

After that, the chassis was renovated by frenchman Yves Kerlo (you can find some pics of the bike on his website - http://www.kerloclassic.com/kerlo-restauration-1.php?id=97&idref=1 ) and the engine by Christian Sarron's former mechanic Jacky Germain.

The bike is regularly ridden by Steve Baker, Giacomo Agostini, Christian Sarron and Hubert Rigal at classic events across Europe within the Yamaha Motor France classic team.

I'll take a lot of pictures. Everything on it is beautiful, especially the triple clamps which I love (they are very similar to the 0W53). True factory machine!

Very surprised that Yamaha scrapped their bikes like that, the obviously didn't understand how valuable and historic they would become... So sad! :(

If there is any chance of obtaining a copy of a genuine engine Dyno chart for the OW60 that would also be absolutely BRILLIANT! I'd love to have this bike work with genuine physics data ;D ;D

I took a look at the pics on the site link(only just got back home, so havn't had a chance to look at the whole site as yet). I did notice that he has put different front brake discs on the bike; is that because he just wants better modern discs on now? Or just that he cannot get hold of the genuine ones anymore?

All this news is music to my ears..... Give me a PM as soon as your ready with the pics and or info........ Thank you Edouard, I really appreciate your help with this mate! :D

Hawk.

Well the Japanese in general (yamaha, honda, suzuki and kawasaki) destroyed most of the works bikes to prevent some getting "in enemy hands" lol. They keep most of them nowadays but I would not be surprised if they destroy a few MotoGP bikes here and there still. I don't know that for sure though.

As for the dyno chart, honestly I don't think I can have it because the last one made was probably by the factory in 1982. Good luck finding that (if it's not destroyed) :P

I'm guessing the max power output is probably around 130/140 bhp though. More peaky than the Varese but not too much. And the bike should be at the minimum weight allowed back then: 115kg.

About the wheels and brakes: they were replaced by later YZR500 models for safety reasons as the bikes are ridden. The original parts are old and not considered safe. Especially since the wheels were magnesium and that doesn't age well at all. They have the original wheels in a box. I have a picture of the bike with the original wheels, I will PM it to you.
For the same reason almost no one uses the original TZ750 brakes because the master cylinder is magnesium. The list goes on ;)

And you're welcome. Will send you pics via PM when I get home.

Quote from: EdouardB on June 17, 2014, 07:52:11 AM
Well the Japanese in general (yamaha, honda, suzuki and kawasaki) destroyed most of the works bikes to prevent some getting "in enemy hands" lol. They keep most of them nowadays but I would not be surprised if they destroy a few MotoGP bikes here and there still. I don't know that for sure though.

As for the dyno chart, honestly I don't think I can have it because the last one made was probably by the factory in 1982. Good luck finding that (if it's not destroyed) :P

I'm guessing the max power output is probably around 130/140 bhp though. More peaky than the Varese but not too much. And the bike should be at the minimum weight allowed back then: 115kg.

About the wheels and brakes: they were replaced by later YZR500 models for safety reasons as the bikes are ridden. The original parts are old and not considered safe. Especially since the wheels were magnesium and that doesn't age well at all. They have the original wheels in a box. I have a picture of the bike with the original wheels, I will PM it to you.
For the same reason almost no one uses the original TZ750 brakes because the master cylinder is magnesium. The list goes on ;)

And you're welcome. Will send you pics via PM when I get home.

Yes... I sometimes forget just how long ago these bikes were built(It must be a nightmare to obtain genuine spare parts if not impossible for some), I mean WOW! It's 32 years ago now! :o It only seems last yesterday to me. Lol. Were did all those years go, eh.

As you say, I'll be lucky to get a genuine dyno chart for the engine, but I'll take your advised data above and apply it with other data I can get hold of and try and get a best approximation; I think that's probably the best we can do for now unless someone can miraculously donate a copy of the genuine dyno chart from somewhere.

Again, thank you for all your help with this, and I'll await your PM mate.  ;)

Hawk.

Hi Hawk,

Just looking round the forum getting up to speed on the history of the game and stuff and I came across this thread.

An interesting period in racing history for me too. I would also like to design an older bike but I am realistic in that I doubt I ever will be able to learn how!

Just wondered how you got on with the classic bikes and rider?


Cheers.
Nick.

Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 27, 2015, 09:19:10 AM
Hi Hawk,

Just looking round the forum getting up to speed on the history of the game and stuff and I came across this thread.

An interesting period in racing history for me too. I would also like to design an older bike but I am realistic in that I doubt I ever will be able to learn how!

Just wondered how you got on with the classic bikes and rider?


Cheers.
Nick.

Classic Riders: Awaiting the possibility from Piboso to actually be able to create custom riders and styles. At the moment the rider files are of a proprietary format and we need a dedicated exporter to be able to proceed.

Classic Bikes: I've been in the process of creating a Classic 2 stroke GP bike - Yamaha YZR 500cc OW60 for quite a while now, I keep doing a little work on it now and again but have been very busy with work and also Modding tracks, also learning how to do the bike physics(because I want dedicated physics for it), but I can say that the bike is now 80% complete and hopefully it won't be too long now before I can start the testing procedure.

But yeah.... I think the Classic 1970's and 1980's were the golden age of the Blue Ribbon GP500 2 stroke era and all my work with bikes and custom riders/styles(when/if MOD tools are released) will be concentrated on those two decades(Maybe I'll also dabble into the 1990's bikes/riders too at a later stage?).

But for now only the tracks and bikes have the MOD tools required to work on.


Hawk.

Cool thanks for the update Hawk,

I assume the rider mods will come in their own good time, there is obviously scope for it as the option for rider style already exists.

Yeh man i understand 'busy' all right. And I notice all the hard work a lot of people do here - its very impressive and very much appreciated.  Just finished my first bike skin that was great fun learning that stuff. Wire framing and 3d stuff I will have to book for my next life.  :P