R1 Cup | Yamaha R1 2007
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R1 Cup | Yamaha R1 2007 v1.2- https://discord.gg/C9AgeYU
I want to especially thank Manu for helping me create my first bike in GPBikes and the entire Spanish community for trying it.
I hope you like it and if you have any advice for the next ones, they will be well received.
Enjoy
If you´ve got to much money and you dont know what to do with it, donations are welcome. Thank you
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Can't wait to try this later 👍
Thanks Javi. Good Job!
Amazing first Bike, thank you very much.
Good job Javi, it looks amazing.
Javi Galbusera
siiiiiiiiiick
UPDATE: Love the bike, handles good, looks good, sounds good.
Donnington doesn't seem to record lap-times for me, which is a bit odd, and I get HUGE frame drops in VR exiting Coppice, foggy esses, and the Melbourne hairpin. It's always done it but the new bike reduces it to almost being unplayable, so maybe the track needs an update. (I'm using the suggested graphics settings too and there's no change)
As for the bike, the Rev needle isn't flat on the dashboard, its pointing to the rider at about 45 degrees. Not a big deal, and like the frame drops, only appears in VR.
Other than those Minor issues, this is a brilliant MOD, and I will ride a championship with this bike if one is created. If not I'd do one myself as its so bloody good great job for a first bike KEEP IT UP :)
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on May 13, 2019, 05:12:32 PMUPDATE: Love the bike, handles good, looks good, sounds good.
Donnington doesn't seem to record lap-times for me, which is a bit odd, and I get HUGE frame drops in VR exiting Coppice, foggy esses, and the Melbourne hairpin. It's always done it but the new bike reduces it to almost being unplayable, so maybe the track needs an update. (I'm using the suggested graphics settings too and there's no change)
As for the bike, the Rev needle isn't flat on the dashboard, its pointing to the rider at about 45 degrees. Not a big deal, and like the frame drops, only appears in VR.
Other than those Minor issues, this is a brilliant MOD, and I will ride a championship with this bike if one is created. If not I'd do one myself as its so bloody good great job for a first bike KEEP IT UP :)
Thanks for your feedback, u can show me problem with the dashboard and the rpm needle? If its possible i fix this problem... thanks u !!!
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You can see that the needle is not flat to the face of the dash here. I have a video recorded, but its a bit jumpy due to me trying to get another angle. This is the best view for it IMO.
Issue is VR only.
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on May 13, 2019, 07:06:44 PM(https://i.postimg.cc/pLYxcbzY/Desktop-Screenshot-2019-05-13-20-03-22-86.png) (https://postimg.cc/QFtRVz6H)
You can see that the needle is not flat to the face of the dash here. I have a video recorded, but its a bit jumpy due to me trying to get another angle. This is the best view for it IMO.
Issue is VR only.
Ok i check it to fix
Nice mod. Only "issue" I have is that 1st person camera seems to be a bit high for me. Can I adjust that, or is that something in the mod?
Quote from: JohnnoNinja on May 13, 2019, 07:27:24 PMNice mod. Only "issue" I have is that 1st person camera seems to be a bit high for me. Can I adjust that, or is that something in the mod?
The first onboard camera or the second?
Thank you so much for this bike. I has caracter and is very fun to ride - oldschool at its best. (12 years old...)
Quote from: MaVericK on May 13, 2019, 09:12:56 PMoldschool at its best. (12 years old...)
This is still 'new school' to me lol. Its bad when I feel old, considering I'm only 20 LOL
Yeah great mod but first, 1st person cam way too high.
DD
bike seems quite good but like the others have said, 1p view is way too high.
sound could be more deep (cross-plane) and the engine should have more torque in the low revs, this would also make slides nicer.
the front is a bit unpredictable, sometimes folding when standing the bike up and quickly overheating. so i say move the balance of the bike further to the rear.
the bike in general feels a bit too stiff under acceleration. maybe put a bit more flex in the chassis.
Quote from: Vini on May 14, 2019, 10:57:17 AMbike seems quite good but like the others have said, 1p view is way too high.
sound could be more deep (cross-plane) and the engine should have more torque in the low revs, this would also make slides nicer.
the front is a bit unpredictable, sometimes folding when standing the bike up and quickly overheating. so i say move the balance of the bike further to the rear.
the bike in general feels a bit too stiff under acceleration. maybe put a bit more flex in the chassis.
This model was the last one before yamaha introduced the crossplane
This is a pre-crossplane r1, (before they ruined it)
The bike is prone to tankslappers, however that can mostly be tuned out with a softer rear spring, and less bump damping from my testing.
Torque wise the engine is good, more low rpm torque isn't needed, as its not a cross plane, and the old r1 supposedly (I've never ridden one) had a highish powerband.
The front can be unpredictable when braking hard at low rpm, but if you pick one gear lower and back it in a little, it seems fine to me.
Overall its a great mod, you've just got to know how to ride it. Which I don't lol.
I think it's going to be a tuners dream, as you can gain a load of time I suspect with the right setup.
Quote from: Vini on May 14, 2019, 10:57:17 AMbike seems quite good but like the others have said, 1p view is way too high.
sound could be more deep (cross-plane) and the engine should have more torque in the low revs, this would also make slides nicer.
the front is a bit unpredictable, sometimes folding when standing the bike up and quickly overheating. so i say move the balance of the bike further to the rear.
the bike in general feels a bit too stiff under acceleration. maybe put a bit more flex in the chassis.
the bike is made so that its behavior is like that, also the power is increased to have more power in high rpm and not so much in low rpm, the sound, if you look well in YouTube you will see that the 2007 version has this type of sound and not the "crossplane". the motions of the motorcycle are based mainly on the physics of the tires and apart from that it is necessary to be very fine giving gas so as not to overheat the tires. try to take care of the gums and you will see how you do not have overheating.
the problem of the camera will solve it shortly
thanks for your feedback
The sound made an eargasm :o
I love this bike to be honest, coming out of the last turn at Donnington, mashing the rear brake all the way up to 4th to stop the bike flipping, and then still getting a couple inches of lift anyway.
Its really satisfying in a sad, dull sort of way lol
Braking is hard though, although it's not a bad thing, means I actually have to take care and not mash the brakes to the apex (although increasing the Eb to 5 helps stability and the quick front end wash)
Love it though, great first bike 😍
ok my mistake, sound and low rpm torque is fine then.
but then the rev limiter has to be raised, either way the powerband is too small. you cannot really slide the rear because the engine is instantly in the limiter after reaching the powerband.
more importantly, though the bike needs a slight balance adjustment to change the weight on the front. you lose the front under hard braking even though there still is front suspension travel available and the soft front tyre is at 2.2bar after one lap.
Quote from: Vini on May 14, 2019, 06:59:50 PMok my mistake, sound and low rpm torque is fine then.
but then the rev limiter has to be raised, either way the powerband is too small. you cannot really slide the rear because the engine is instantly in the limiter after reaching the powerband.
more importantly, though the bike needs a slight balance adjustment to change the weight on the front. you lose the front under hard braking even though there still is front suspension travel available and the soft front tyre is at 2.2bar after one lap.
I personally have had no issues with sliding the rear out of turns, and the front feels fine to me, providing you brake properly. (Increase engine braking helps with any front end crashes)
As for the tyres, somewhere above its been stated they overheat, so is that not whats happening for you? Overheating the tyre and losing grip?
well, you can slide the rear but only so shortly before hitting the limiter that i wouldn't count it as a powerslide.
what direct lean value are you using? if you use lower values many problems of a bike will remain invisible to you, for example losing the front on-throttle out of first gear corners.
yeah the front tyre is overheating quickly even when holding back on the brakes, no matter what setup which clearly points to a balance issue.
no offence but i think i know how to "brake properly" at the limit and engine brake is definitely not part of that equation because 100% of the stopping power should come from the front on a race bike (the rear shouldnt even touch the ground ideally). this is not possible at the moment because the front folds even before the suspension bottoms out.
Quote from: Vini on May 14, 2019, 07:48:16 PMwell, you can slide the rear but only so shortly before hitting the limiter that i wouldn't count it as a powerslide.
what direct lean value are you using? if you use lower values many problems of a bike will remain invisible to you, for example losing the front on-throttle out of first gear corners.
yeah the front tyre is overheating quickly even when holding back on the brakes, no matter what setup which clearly points to a balance issue.
no offence but i think i know how to "brake properly" at the limit and engine brake is definitely not part of that equation because 100% of the stopping power should come from the front on a race bike. this is not possible at the moment because the front folds even before the suspension bottoms out.
Unless the rear wheel is off the floor, there is always going to be some semblance of engine braking being done at the rear wheel, so while some riders may use 100% front brake with the controls, downshifts and engine braking still play a part, even if you don't intend them too. (And some high level riders use the rear brake to help stop the bike as well, its purely a preference thing. I remember a MotoGP TV info thing, where the interviews and onboards showed Honda riders used the rear brake a lot, yet the Yamaha riders such as Lorenzo didn't touch it at all for slowing down)
I do however understand what you mean about the torque/powerband being quite high, however at the same time, these bikes in the real world aren't known for powerslides, especially since the R1 cup is a more 'Club Level' Championship, and again, fiddling with the gearing and electronics can seem to fix that.
As for direct lean I use anywhere from 80%-100% depending on the tracks, so I fully understand the 'on throttle front ender'
What I do is raise the rear about 5mm, stiffen it, and increase swing-arm length. I also drop the front through the floor if I can, so that when I get on the throttle the bike is level. I doubt this is what you'd do to a real bike but it seems to help in GBP for most things. (I also believe that its mainly a GPB issue and not a bike issue as a few of the bikes do this to different levels)
Add update:
New onboard cameras, fixed rpmneedle and replaced some textures.
Enjoy.
Quote from: javiliyors on May 14, 2019, 08:00:48 PMAdd update:
New onboard cameras, fixed rpmneedle and replaced some textures.
Enjoy.
<3
Will have a little test now.
One other thing I did notice, is that the rear tyre tread seems to be the wrong way round? I don't use 3p much being a VR player so I only noticed it today XD
(https://i.postimg.cc/d0kYqM6h/rear.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on May 14, 2019, 08:04:42 PMQuote from: javiliyors on May 14, 2019, 08:00:48 PMAdd update:
New onboard cameras, fixed rpmneedle and replaced some textures.
Enjoy.
<3
Tell me if the rpmneedle works... i not have VR but normal visual for me is fine
RPM Needle is nice and flat, good fix :)
Quote from: javiliyors on May 14, 2019, 08:14:34 PMQuote from: Myst1cPrun3 on May 14, 2019, 08:04:42 PMQuote from: javiliyors on May 14, 2019, 08:00:48 PMAdd update:
New onboard cameras, fixed rpmneedle and replaced some textures.
Enjoy.
<3
Tell me if the rpmneedle works... i not have VR but normal visual for me is fine
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on May 14, 2019, 07:57:22 PMUnless the rear wheel is off the floor, there is always going to be some semblance of engine braking being done at the rear wheel, so while some riders may use 100% front brake with the controls, downshifts and engine braking still play a part, even if you don't intend them too. (And some high level riders use the rear brake to help stop the bike as well, its purely a preference thing. I remember a MotoGP TV info thing, where the interviews and onboards showed Honda riders used the rear brake a lot, yet the Yamaha riders such as Lorenzo didn't touch it at all for slowing down)
They don't use the rear brake to get additional stopping power, they use it to finetune the rear slip to get the perfect turn in and keep the bike stable. The rear has no influence on
max. deceleration and the rear only helps with getting the bike stopped when you are not braking properly (at the limit).
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on May 14, 2019, 07:57:22 PMI do however understand what you mean about the torque/powerband being quite high, however at the same time, these bikes in the real world aren't known for powerslides, especially since the R1 cup is a more 'Club Level' Championship, and again, fiddling with the gearing and electronics can seem to fix that.
I don't see how gearing will change this. Of course you have to adjust the ratios in such a way, that you are always in the powerband at every corner but this doesn't change the fact that there are not enough revs above peak-power-rpm. And the electronic have zero to do with that.
Anyway, the overheating issue makes it undebatable that the front needs some improvement and from my experience of testing/developing bikes in GPB, it's safe to say that the balance needs to change. The (mild) tankslappers are also a result of this, probably in combination with a too stiff swingarm.
Scott Redding seems to use the rear brake to settle the bike on the main slow down, and secondarily, (Is that even a world lol) to
aid with trail braking. Its just personal preference, one which I don't tend to touch unless I'm in the middle of massively messing up.
What I guess I'm trying, (and failing) to say, is that most of the issues you've highlighted can be tuned out in the setup menus.
Whether that's realistic or not isn't for me to say I'm not a tuner, but the changes I'm making seem to align with various real world setup guides I'm using so I'd guess its somewhat close.
For the overheating, I also am not a tyre expert, nor have I ridden supercorsas, so I can't say how they behave temp wise, but again, In GPB, I've not had any issues with this, (It was just mentioned above I believe), and for the most part it can be tuned out. The pressures may be weird, but GPB seems to respond more to temps rather than pressures from my tests
Quote from: javiliyors on May 14, 2019, 08:14:34 PMQuote from: Myst1cPrun3 on May 14, 2019, 08:04:42 PMQuote from: javiliyors on May 14, 2019, 08:00:48 PMAdd update:
New onboard cameras, fixed rpmneedle and replaced some textures.
Enjoy.
<3
Tell me if the rpmneedle works... i not have VR but normal visual for me is fine
Upss i make a mistake, tomorrow fix the tyres
And what I am trying to tell you is that there are some fundamental problems that cannot be tuned out if you intend on riding the bike at the limit.
I have a couple of years of GPB experience now and have gone through plenty of iterations of many different bikes and by now, I know how to "read a bike" and ride it at its limit consistently. Because of that experience I can also tell the difference between setup issues and underlying bike issues (like balance and chassis flex). I am sorry but if you seriously say that the front is perfect as it is, then you are not riding at the limit.
Anyway, I'm just trying to help improve the mod by posting my conclusions and I guarantee, that you will agree with me once these changes have been made.
TBH, I'm nowhere near fast enough on the big bikes to get to the mechanical limit, although I do appear to be relatively consistent (or overcautious take your pick) XD. I personally like to fiddle with all the setup options before I try and make a judgement, and I will concede that some of the effects such as the tank slappers, and the front end appear to be, 'Over Exaggerated' at some points.
I do seem to 'understand' whats wrong a little more than I do on other mods if that makes sense, I find it easier on this bike to adapt both my riding and setup, to the point these things aren't an issue. (I should point out they may still be there, I just have it setup so that I don't notice them in 1p view, and I do still have rather sudden accidents both on and off the power, and front/rear end)
Added update:
Fixed orientation of the tyre.
Added Templates in the first post.
Adjust the high of the bike.
Enjoy.
Quote from: javiliyors on May 15, 2019, 07:16:34 AMAdded update:
Adjust the high of the bike.
fuck yes...
Added: V1.1 version.
Changelog:
Fixed weight balance of the bike and grip of the rear tyres.
Added:
V1.2 version.
Changelog:
- Fixed preload.
- New sounds.
- The behavior of the motorcycle has been improved.
- Enjoy.
Thank You JAV