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D-day (as in decision day) getting closer.

Keep us posted mate. But I assume we will know as soon as your same is changed to TuonoMaX 

However, I want to stress this is one of the least important things GPB needs at the moment ; )

For the MM Button I would reckon a cooldown time of like 1,5 or 2 sec.

Well in Sepang when MM saved his bike in lap 1 (when Iannone crashed due to MM almost crashing), MM barely lost time and only widened his line a bit. So not sure what the minimum requirements would be. But as said before it is only hypothetically speaking. We don't need this button (at least as long as we have much more important issues in GPB).

[Please bring back the dangers of low-siding]

If the physics simulation is correct then you shouldn't need a button to save any crashes that are actually savable? 

It's definitely not an important issue, but technically MCF is correct. In GPB, if the virtual rider is involved, you are not completely in charge of the bike (DST is something else). MM is able to save a lot of situations where he is losing the front wheel, due to leaning his body even more to the inside, pushing his knee of the ground and steering to the inside of the corner (standing the bike up). He does all this with admirable reaction time and therefore often enough is able to save the bike from lowsiding. But he does not manage always, because you can only do this when the bike is still on the brink of losing the front and only if the tire can regain traction if lean-angle is reduced rather quickly. But within those Parameters, if a "save" button would do exactly what MM is doing, it might even make sense to have it and would actually be realistic the bike could be saved from time to time. Only gripe I see is that someone might be button mashing "just in case". So the virtual rider would really need to lean to the inside even more, steer to the inside and stand the bike up in a way that would make you run wide. So button mashing would let you run wide and would slow you down considerably. Then it would even make sense.

Speaking of all that. What I am missing in GPB is the real danger of risking low-siders when having lean-angles and/or braking into Corners. In real life most crashes happen this way. In GPB you almost never are in danger of losing the front due to hard cornering and/or braking. The front seems to be on rails most of the time. It used to be way better in previous betas (from what I remember it felt really good until beta4 or beta5). In those early betas one had to brake smoothly into corners and one had to reduce brake force on the front while leaning into corners. Riding a bike in GPB even made me a better rider in real life! In recent betas the front feels too much on rails and I have the feeling that the virtual rider limits the max leaning while braking, so effectively the player does not really run into danger of losing the front. It becomes even more obvious when running in the rain. It used to be one of the greatest feelings for me in the early versions of GPB - to slowly work towards that limit of the tires while braking hard into corners. After all, that is one of the real thrills of riding a bike competitively irl.

If Piboso reads this: Please bring back the dangers of low-siding! It is a simulation after all. I don't need the virtual rider to take that thrill away from me. I might even consider riding in GPB again if this thrill comes back.

Your opening statement is probably the most revealing;

''The Tuono never really convinced me on the paper, mostly due to its look''

Did you find any new love for it after a ride ? i.e. would you just sit and look at it admiringly,  or is it just the tech/power side that impresses? as that will always be surpassed by the latest offerings.

Good point there h. If one has second thoughts on the looks of a bike, it might not be the one to buy. On the other hand, from what I have heard from others (I personally haven't ridden the latest Tuono models), the Tuono seems to be hell of a bike with great handling, nice breaks and a very nice engine. So, I can imagine that MaX might consider it, even if he does not really like the looks 100%. On the other hand again, the looks are also pretty important. It's like with woman - you have to find the right mix. Perfect looks, but nothing more to her and you will see your admiration dwindle rather quickly. If the woman does have a great personality but lacks in beauty, you can go a good distance, but sooner or later, you will find a woman with a great personality AND good looks.

So, maybe the advice to MaX should be: If you have a great offer for your current bike, sell it. Then take your time until spring to collect yourself and find out which bike you really want. My guess is, that it is neither the Tuono nor the Cb1000R, because you simply are not in love with either one at the moment. Within the next 2 years, I think there will be many new bikes coming out that have a good chance of winning your heart.

Among current bikes, you should definitely look at the BMW S 1000 R, Speed Triple or even Street Triple. Even if you don't think you would like them, you can never really know unless you haven't ridden them. Riding a bike is something completely different to only seeing it. You can fall in love with the seating position, the sound, the handling etc. Since you do not seem to be in love with either bike, just test them. There is nothing to lose and it is fun to compare. I bet you might fall in love with the smooth thottle and the sound of a Speed Triple. If you do not like the underseat pipes (like me) then you can get aftermarket side pipes.

If you wait a little, BMW might bring a new S 1000 and Suzuki might have an all-new GSX1000 within 2 years. Also HD announced a very good looking power-naked which is reminiscent of the old Buell models. I like the looks very much.
https://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/sites/motorcyclecruiser.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2018/07/h-d_v-twin-sportbike.jpg?itok=xEBf5XHm&fc=50,50

All I am saying. Test the market. Don't buy something you will be fed up with in 2 years ; ) But if you do, you will most likely be able to sell a Tuono without making much of a loss in 2 years if you find a bike you love. So do whatevery your heart tells you in Spring 

I've also always liked the Tuono. But the new cb1000r is also a very nice bike. I have had a similar decision to make. For me it was between the Tuono, R nineT and Thruxton R. Imo, in the end the most important questions you have to ask yourself:

1) the looks
Which bike's look do you prefer and most importantly, which look can you imagine yourself to get tired of the least over time? In your case, I would definitely say that the CB1000R has a much more classy and timeless look.

2) Are you the absolute racer or do you also like to take a fun ride every now and then?
If you can live with being out-accelerated by others every now and then, then take the CB1000R. If you need the absolute horsepower then take the Tuono. In terms of riding fast on your favorite roads after work, there is no need to have a Tuono. On curvy public roads, the riding skills decide whether you are fast or not. I can ride with almost anybody on public roads with my Thruxton R. It is funny to see the look on some guys on 200hp bikes not being able to shake me off. It is on racetracks where I am clearly slower due to the lack of horsepower. But even then it is only on tracks with long straights and I rarely go to racetracks (max 1x a year). So ask yourself which type of rider you are. If you hate to be slower than others, then take the Tuono, if you don't care to drag-race with others then take the Honda. Another nice thing of having a less aggressive looking bike: If you are not in the mood for riding fast, nobody will judge you. But if you have a Tuono, everybody expects you to ride fast. I have made the experience that oneself also has the tendency of always trying to live up to the expectations. Having a less aggressive bike makes riding more enjoyable. If I am not in the mood for riding fast or I am riding with my girlfriend, then it feels better on a 'normal' bike.

3) What kind of engine sound do you prefer?
Imo the V4 sound is absolutely sexy. And I hate the sound of inline-4-cylinder engines. Not sure how you think about it. That is something very indivdual. But from my experience, the sound of the engine is crucial for having a long-lasting love for one's bike.

Whichever way you decide, I wish you much fun and always a safe ride! 

This thread is golden. It is a conglomerate of deep thoughts mixed with humerous remarks and wisenhimer comments. The mix has something hilorious to it. 

That's because everybody knows MM rides like a 14yrs old fucker on a speed+redbull, putting all the other riders' lives in great danger. Including Moto2 and Moto3 riders riding in separate sessions.

You can ask all the riders with 9 championships in their living room, they will *all* confirm that. And they know better, of course.

Where the hell did that come from?  You really seem to be obsessed... smh

Oh, and for the love of (GOD) what the hell is going on over at Yamaha?

Facts on Yamaha struggles:

• Weather and track was very similar to last year (asphalt +5°C, air +3°C)
• Overall race time difference from last year:


• Marquez -10,867s
• Dovizioso -17,674s
• Iannone -30,240s
• Rins -40,103s
• Pedrosa -6,472s
• A.Espargaro -8,433s
• Smith -18,342s
• Rossi -1,550s
• Vinales +6,334s
• Zarco +8,476s

So track conditions were similar and the all factories despite Yamaha seem to have made significant progress in terms of performance from last year. Rossi was a bit faster but he was hurt last year (still recuperating, so not really comparable). Yamaha is struggling overall, but especially in hot conditions and on tracks with bad grip.

Nice race, I just wish there would have been even more overtakes. The final 2 laps from MM were just perfect. Dovi tried but did not have a chance. Great result for Suzuki and Aprilia. Even KTM finally looked competitive, I wonder what Pol would have been able to accomplish. Yamaha has to get things sorted, they might have one of the worst bikes on grid when there is not much grip on track or conditions are hot.

You are not getting my point MaX, maybe I am not expressing myself well enough. Either way, it is not worth it I guess. Read my above comments again tomorrow, maybe after a day off you will see what point I am trying to make. If not, also fine. Life is too short to be discussing too long. 

Regards, Stout

Max, I think I have made myself pretty clear. But for you, I will elaborate and hope you understand. If not, I will let it go.

You can post whatever you want. I just don't see any point in posting anyone's opinion. Instead of Mr. Spencer's opinion, you could as well have quoted your's, Hawk's, mine, or anyone's opinion. It is just one opinion and to me and there is no surplus value. If you would have posted an analysis of a psychological expert on e.g. analyzing body language, I would see the surplus value because he would have surplus information which a regular person would not have.

I just cannot fathom when people try to back their opinion by citing celebrities. So just because he is famous I should follow? It is the same psychological effect why advertisements with celebrities work. Or e.g. famous researchers will often get more credit for their work than an unknown researchers, even if their work is similar ("Matthew effect").

For me everything should be based on facts, not names. I just wanted to make that clear. And that is why I wanted to point out that your reference to Mr. Spencer's opinion does bear 0 value.


And finally but very annoying: I do not know why I am labelled a "VR people"? I am very indifferent about the riders.  I love the sport, but not riders. Maybe I do have slight preferences towards Crutchlow and Dovi based on their characteral features but overall I just want to see exciting races and fair sportsmanship. I am critical of certain behaviour. And in the past, I have been very critical of Rossi's behaviour whenever I found him to be in the wrong (e.g. Sepang Clash) but also Marquez' behaviour whenever I found him to be wrong. So for you to jump to conclusions just because it fits your argumentation is something I would like you to refrain from.

Out of pure interest: would you label yourself a Marquez people?

Actually about this , don't think there are Handshake experts , maybe I'm wrong. We could just all have our own opinion about it , own explaination

Exactly.

He provided his opinion like I provided mine, you provided yours and other provided theirs. Where's the problem ?!

I'd personally be happy to hear the opinion of any rider as, humbly maybe, I would value them more then my own.

That is exactly what I am saying. Everybody has his opinion and is equal. So I do not know see why you value Mr. Spencer's opinion higher. He is a former rider who is commenting on handshake etiquette. If MM and Rossi were famous pianists who would happen to have beef with one another and another former pianist would give his opinion on who should shake whose hand, you would automatically follow his opinion? I do not see why.

In the end a dispute is a personal matter and I do not see why a person of the same profession would have better suggestions on who should shake whose hand. If you think otherwise, fine. I just don't. For me I value other opinion's higher than mine, if the person in question has some sort of expertise which excels mine on the subject in question. But if we are on the same level on that subject and I assume we all are pretty equal in terms of settling differences, then all opinions are equal imho.

Don't know if hes the undisputed expert on the subject, but I do think that his opinion is worth more than mine, yours ans Hawk's combined.
Still, it's just *one* opinion. Why shouldn't it be posted here ?

If this subject was on riding a bike, racing or something else Mr. Spencer excels, I would agree. But he gave his opinion on whether Rossi should have accepted Marc's handshake offer. On that matter, Mr. Spencer is just like anyone else. He also did not provide any useful behind-the-scenes-information a former champion might have to substantiate his opinion. So (to me) his opinion is nothing more than an opinion and not expert knowledge. Unless of course Mr. Spencer does have expert knowledge on handshake etiquette which I should happen to be unaware of.

Mr Freddie on the (non)shake: https://youtu.be/ShNz_Q2eBvg?t=342

Ok, there is one opinion. Is Freddie Spencer the undisputed expert on handshaking or refusing handshakes, that his opinion should enlighten anyone?
Spencer pretty much wants the riders to care about the sport as a whole. Well, Marquez' on-track behaviour in Argentina certainly was not for the good of the sport, because it was reckless, dangerous and unsportsmanlike. And that is why the relationship between Rossi and Marquez did reach a new low after Argentina, because for Rossi a red line was crossed by MM. Rossi opted to not accept MM's apology in Argentina. Rossi also said that he did not understand why MM did not come to apologize privately without cameras around. In my personal opinion, both sentiments from Rossi are comprehensible. But I also accept that others might think that Rossi should have accepted the apology. I do not think there is general "correct" thing to do or only one "correct" way to act in this matter. For Rossi, MM apology did not come across as sincere. For me that is comprehensible.

And now 6 month after this matter without any further incident and without MM trying to talk privately with Rossi, some stupid reporter asks those silly questions, I think it is ok for Rossi to say "no there is no need, nothing has changed between the two of us, why shake hands?". If MM wants to shake hands, then first apologize privately (which he did not care to do) and act accordingly (which he did in the last 6 month'). Stop playing in front of the media.

We could talk about this matter back and forth, I think at the end of the day whether one thinks that Rossi is in the wrong on refusing the handshake depends on whether one likes Rossi or not. Rossi-critics will not understand, Marquez-critics will be on Rossi's side and for all those in between (like me) it is a question whether one can understand that one cannot act like a maniac on track and then run in with the media behind, utter a quick apology and expect everyone else to have to accept this 'apology' as being sincere. If Rossi for himself does not feel like that, it is fine for me. MM definitely did not really show that HE cared. If so, he could have spoken to Rossi privately and maybe solved this issue that way.

That's all fine and dandy.  They have not ever shown any interest in dirt racing though.  PiBoSo's system is better anyways, and has loads more potential anyways.  As far as the track side of the game what WRS offers is far better than anything iRacing or rFactor 2 have shown so far.  That's why its the option being pursued.

I think you are both right. rFactor 2 is generally the sim to go with and they have come a long way - from a great sim with lack of appeal to a even better sim with also a great presentation. But in terms of dirt WRS is unmatched yet and it has great potential. In oval dirt racing and everything concerned Rally and Rallycross WRS has a shitload of potential customers. Both are niche markets but still could reach a fair amount of sim lovers. In terms of Rally, simmers still use Richard Burns Rally (which is from friggin 2004!) but it is really becoming very out-dated. WRS could be huge if it could be the mod-basis for the Rally Sim lovers, but WRS lacks rally content/mods at the moment, which is so sad.

All of this while trying ( and mostly failing  ) to reply to the endless stream of emails, messages and private messages ( from four different forums ).

Hopefully at the end of this tour de force there will finally be time for tools and documentation.

Considering how time consuming all these administrative tasks are, maybe you should consider out-sourcing the communicative tasks to someone who is willing to help you in this matter. Maybe a trusted moderator of this forum could volunteer to support you in this matter, so you have more time focussing on your main tasks? It is absolutely insane to have the brain of your small company (you) do these tasks when time is that scarce. Give out general guidelines for your communication and let the general communication be done by someone else, you doing only the important ones that can not be delegated.

In terms of (lack of) documentation of your sims and (lack of) documentation of your mod tools, you should really force yourself to do these things "on the fly" (while developping/altering stuff). In that way, you would have a very manageable workload every day (I would estimate 15-30mins) to keep your documentation up-to-date. If avoiding these tasks on a regular basis, it will come back to haunt you in the long run.