Well I miss the racing with you guys, so please sign me up for this. even if it means to play arcade games
This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.
Quote from: vini97 on November 28, 2017, 11:45:02 AMTotally agree, the known understeering problem is on that list too.
I think you will agree with me that tankslappers (and powerslides) are by far the most unrealistic part of the VR (or GPB in general) at the moment. More importantly though, there might be an easy fix to this.
Quote from: vini97 on November 28, 2017, 11:45:02 AMI totally agree. I think you have misunderstood my proposal (or I have not been clear enough). My proposal was to add a more realistic reaction time and some sort of filtering to make reactions more smooth. Would have been very easy to implement too. ; )
My proposal would be one (very big) step towards a more realistic VR in general. Of course there is always more to be tweaked here and there but that has much lower priority.
These more in-depth modifications will also yield much less reward for the work time invested by PiBoSo.
Quote from: vini97 on November 28, 2017, 10:26:52 AMQuote from: HornetMaX on November 28, 2017, 09:04:03 AMMaybe that would also help with the issue but IMO this is a much more complicated and intruding way of fixing the problem because it changes how the VR behaves in general.Quote from: Stout Johnson on November 28, 2017, 08:26:21 AMI remember in the past asking PiBoSo if the basic PID in the VR has some sort of roll off implemented (can't see this in the parameters) as that could indeed help.
I have always wonderes what the reaction time of the VR is. My assumption would be that it is 0.0s which obviously would be unrealistic. Maybe it would already help if the VR would have a human-like reaction time. That might help levelling out the disturbances with the suspension and the VR might not be overshooting.
Notice that it may not be as simple as "just put a lowpass" and also that it's not granted it would help with tankslappers (but may help in cases where the VR is over-correcting too quickly, like when you lose the front and the VR locks the steering trying to catch up, making things worse).
The two conditions that I have specified would ensure that the VR only behaves differently in the situation of heavy acceleration with the front wheel starting to "loose alignment". In this situation every normal rider would stop putting pressure on the handlebar and let the bike do its thing. This is exactly what the VR should do. No roll-off, filtering or any kind of advanced modification to the VR code, simply 100% deactivation until the front catches traction again.
If this does not improve the issue, then you can start getting into more advanced modifications to the VR.
Quote from: Stout Johnson on November 28, 2017, 08:26:21 AM
If one watches a replay of normal riding (no tankslappers) in GPB from the front wheel/suspension cam, it can be seen that even on very smooth tracks the VR often makes many hasty and abrupt steering corrections, whereas if you watch real life footage, the front wheel is always being turned very very smooth. So in general I think it is safe to say that the VR in GPB is always "overshooting" in his reactions. Whereas in real life, keeping the front wheel rather constant and only applying slow and smooth changes in most cases levels out most disturbances to the front.
Quote from: vini97 on November 23, 2017, 11:47:49 PMTrue. I spent a lot of time with the Supermoto in MXB lately and there it can be seen that if you wheely slightly the misaligned front works pretty realistically and does not cause any disturbances to the front. It might be connected to the stability helper in MXB though?
2 A misaligned front wheel by itself does not create tankslappers in GP Bikes as long as there is no abrupt weight transfer to it, which is realistic. I have no replay to demonstrate that but I can assure you that in those rare situations where the VR keeps the wheel misaligned for a bit, it always skipped for a meters and smoothly realigned itself upon coming into contact with the track again.
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 13, 2017, 12:39:49 PMExactly. MM has two different mindsets. One is the one that is constantly trying to reach the limit and to just be as fucking fast as possible. That is why he crashes so often in practices and qualifyings. But Marquez has also developed into a guy that can drive with his head, which he often shows in races. That is why he does not crash more often than the other championship contenders. Crashes in races 2017: Maq (2), Dov (2)*, Vin (2), Ros (2), Ped (2) (*Dov was crashed by A.Espargaro in Argentina, so really only 1 crash caused by him in races).
I think he's spot on: the fact he crashes a lot just shows a constant willingness to reach and exceed the limit. I can't see anybody else doing this these days.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 12, 2017, 06:46:19 PMIf we take it literally (gaining 10% of your body weight in lean muscle mass, no fat) then I have to say it is a very hard feat to achieve without PED's, unless the person trying to achieve the feat is a couch potato or a skinny 14 year old. But if you are in your 30s and already well trained, it is hard to achieve. Believe me, I have done it and it took me over 2 years. But it would probably be sufficient, if he gained 5% in muscle mass and 5% in body fat, in that ratio it would still be reasonably active mass. But as mentioned before, without the height it would only be of marginal help.Quote from: vini97 on October 12, 2017, 04:37:49 PMExtreme riding style in the rain ?!
Marquez has a much stronger build and he can generate the necessary tyre temperature with his extreme riding style. He is also taller which gives him more leverage.Quote from: vini97 on October 12, 2017, 04:37:49 PMNo illegal trick, it's very, very doable.
Gaining 5kg of muscles when you're only 51kg and already a pro athlete (past your prime) cannot be achieved easily, at least not without illegal tricks.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 12, 2017, 10:56:21 AMDefinitely agree. The suspension and especially the tyre physics in GPB are not refined enough at the moment (I know Piboso is trying, but still it is the truth). At the moment in GPB you can go to the track with the Murasama without TC and you can pretty much attack from corner 1 on without having to worry about warming the tyres... that says enough.Quote from: Serge Dagher on October 12, 2017, 10:48:32 AM[...]
Max does your nickname mean that you have a honda hornet?
...and back to the suggestion part of this topic, so would it make sense to have an option in the game to choose rider weight and height(with certain limitations to the parameters allowed)?
Concerning the suggestion: it's probably very easy to implement but (personally) I think it doesn't bring anything worth.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 12, 2017, 07:58:07 AMTo be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if Dani decided to go on a Donut diet Just kidding, if he would only gain weight he would probably sacrifice his stamina and conditioning. He would need to be lifting weights heavily in order to gain mass overall and not only around his belly which would not help center-of-gravity-wise (or should I say center-of-gravy-wise ) And he would still lack the height, so it would only be of marginal benefit anyhow. And as you said, it would also only benefit him for the the few cold/wet races. It would be interesting though to see where he would stand championship-wise without those cold/wet races where he is struggling. He could be more of a danger then, so maybe he will consider one of those bone-stretching operations (http://images.gizmag.com/inline/bone-3.jpg) and then go on steroids to gain weight and we might have another Marquez on our hands
By the way, gaining 10cm is not possible of course, but gaining 8kg is really doable. I guess he could easily do that if that was an advantage *overall*.
But of course if it only brings an advantage in rainy races and a disadvantage in dry ones, the decision is quickly taken.
Isn't that confirmed by the article you linked ? (they have added weight for wet races but definitely not for dry ones).
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 12, 2017, 07:58:07 AMNot so sure about that, the whole 'analysis' in that article seems to be really really dilettanteish. I may be overly sensitive in that aspect though (I specialized in statistics during my studies).Quote from: Stout Johnson on October 12, 2017, 07:45:20 AMCome on man, it was meant to be readable by the average biker
It is not 'spot on' as it does not take weather conditions into account. Mind you, I was talking about Dani having problems under certain weather conditions with the recent Michelin tires. So your article does not bear much relevance (in addition to its poor use of statistical methods).
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 11, 2017, 06:24:10 PMIt is not 'spot on' as it does not take weather conditions into account. Mind you, I was talking about Dani having problems under certain weather conditions with the recent Michelin tires. So your article does not bear much relevance (in addition to its poor use of statistical methods).
A bit old, but spot on the discussion: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/04/13/number_crunching_how_much_of_a_factor_is.html
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 12, 2017, 06:31:51 AMI totally agree with Marc and Vale, they try to be light for sure. But that is because they are not in danger of hitting 51kg like Pedrosa. ; ) I bet if Pedrosa could gain 10cm and 8kg he would gladly take it. You always have to keep in mind it is not only the weight but also the height that is an advantage in bad weather conditions. Guys like Redding, Rossi and Baz can change the center of gravity of a bike considerably just by sticking their long legs out and moving their upper body a bit to the inside. Pedrosa would need a complete hanging-off to generate similar weight changes. And that is not easy to do in rainy weather conditions.Quote from: Serge Dagher on October 12, 2017, 04:01:55 AMI guess a polite "thanks but no thanks" will be the answer.
...maybe next year when they are back at lusail circuit I'll ask dani what's his opinion about adding 10kg ballast! 😆😆😆😆
And I guess if you ask Marc or Vale if they'd like to have some 10kg less on them (like an ultra light suit+helmet+boots) they'd be ready to pay big money for that.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 11, 2017, 07:06:27 AMPedrosa this year repeatedly had problems with too low tire temperatures when track and environment temperatures where too low. He did not get the tires in a working temp window. That is why he has struggled in cold and wet races this year (e.g. Assen, Misano). I cannot remember him having problems in that respect with the Bridgestone tires, so maybe this is something related to the Michelins. But in cold conditions Dani seems to have a disadvantage with his weight. On the other hand in very hot races he seemed to have an advantage as he seemed to manage tires very well, which may be in part to his soft and fluid riding style compared to Marquez, but also to his weight.
I'm really not sure about that. Only place where I've heard weight/height may matter is at start (as you can move the cog more fwd). Even that is probably marginal.
On the other hand, if you are 10kg less that may well count overall.
Quote from: Davide74 on September 28, 2017, 09:26:06 PMWell at first glance the physics do not look that arcadey anymore, looks decent. What are your impressions on that physics mod Davide?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oef8gA3A7jY&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: h106frp on September 27, 2017, 06:11:22 PMThat's what I miss in the default GPB bikes. It is really hard to have a front washout at all in GPB. It is the most common cause for crashes in real life bike racing, but it's almost impossible to lose your front on the brake in GPB (talking default bikes). For me the default bikes from Piboso have to have realistic bike and tyre physics. Piboso's bikes should give a reference of the physics. Imo, the mod bikes should not be there to make up for lack of realistic physics...
It is possible to define a front tyre that slides under very heavy braking and gives that classis 'wash out'