Following some testing, It appears that the clutch is not needed for gear changing at all, no matter if semi - automatic is set to 1 or 0. I get clutchless shifts are a thing that is possible however, and while it is possible for up-shifting, It should only be possible on downshifts with a blip, and yet I can just mash the box down without any blips or what not.
Wondering if I've missed something or if that it is currently not possible to make the clutch a requirement, for downshifts at least?
After watching some interviews about how MM93 rides the Honda GP Bike, and why he's able to perform so much better, I found out a lot of it revolves around the rear brake usage.
According to Crutchlow, (Who has access to Marc's data) the Honda has huge issues regarding the electronic engine braking and its consistency, which results in an awful jumpy sensation of the rear, particularly when it is just touching down after a small stoppie (Not too dis-similar to the current EB Simulation in GP Bikes)
Now apparently, Marquez gets around this by slamming the rear brake when the wheel is in the air, to override the engine braking of a fashion, so that when the wheel touches down, instead of it gripping, and causing a tank-slapper, the bike keeps sliding relatively smoothly.
Now I tried to replicate this in GP Bikes, and to do that, I bound both the Front, and Rear Brakes to my left trigger (XBOX ONE CONTROLLER), and fiddled with the input sensitivity/parameters to get them something like what I could run.
It worked rather well if I'm honest. I was able to replicate Marquez's style on entry to turns, and slide the bikes much more naturally on entry also.
However it wasn't 100% set up, and there is still tweaking to be done, as well as the fact it changed my approach to corners. Overall I didn't notice much time difference, but I was more consistent, particularly on the Grand Prix Bikes.
One unexpected issue however was that after the initial turn in, I lost all functionality of the rear brake as an individual system, as to activate the rear brake I had to pull the front, and that was not great for small corrections mid turn.
That is where this suggestion comes in, and having the option to map 2 separate inputs to the rear brake, then we can have the option to run individual brakes or joint, or a mixture of both. As without a full handlebar/footpeg system, it can be awkward trying to get your fingers to all the sticks on a gamepad.
Most MotoGP Machines have both a thumb operated rear brake lever, AND a foot operated rear brake lever, giving them 2 options for rear brake usage, (How they can use the rear brake with a foot dangle), so I think it would be cool to have a similar feature, and would open up so many more avenues for riding style and setup.
The actual use of a rear brake on a motorcycle is questionable, some people swear by it, others say you don't need it at all. This Thread is NOT about whether you should use a rear brake or not, its not even about how or where you should use a rear brake. It is about having an option in the menus for an alternative input to the rear brake. As a result of this potentially going off topic easily replies are locked
I have had a circuit guide for a little while, and in it it has various items in it to help tune out some issues with setups.
Given GP Bikes is a Sim, these 'trouble shooting tips' should work here as well to some degree, and will definitely help a newer rider begin a foray into setting up a bike, both on track and in GP Bikes.
So here goes. I will list symptoms that are commonly found in the sim (and on track) and possible fixes for them.
Note: Sometimes there is more than one possible fix, so adjusting one value may not work and fixing one issue may cause another.
I will also hopefully get this a sub-board, and expand this to include terminolgy and such, but for now, this seems to be all that is needed.
Symptom - Forks Top Out
Fixes: Fork Springs too stiff/too much preload/too little oil. (Too light of an oil can be relevant for real world machines but that is not changeable in GP Bikes)
Symptom - Forks Bottom Out
Fixes: Fork springs too soft/too little preload/air gap too small/compression damping too soft
Symptom - Front End Judder(Chatter) in turns:
Fixes: Insufficient Fork Rebound Damping
Symptom - Front End Judder(Chatter) on Brakes:
Fixes: Too much Fork Compression Damping (Real world bikes would also check wheels and brakes for balances/warping/general condition, but generally not an issue in GPB)
Symptom - Rear Wheel Skips on Brakes:
Fixes: Insufficient Rear rebound damping/rear ride height too low/Changing down gears to quickly - Especially 4 Strokes - (Can also be caused by a too low Idle, which does not affect GP Bikes)
Symptom - Bike Weaves Under Hard Braking:
Fixes: Rear Ride height too high/Steering Damper too stiff (Not currently adjustable in GP Bikes, but real world riders may find this useful)/wheels out of line(Again not a thing in GP Bikes, but real world riders may find this useful)/Fork Springs too stiff/front compression damping too hard
Symptom - Bike Wallows or Judders(Chatters) through Turns:
Fixes: Insufficient Rear Rebound Damping
Symptoms - High Speed straight-line weave:
Fixes: Rear Spring Rate too soft/rear rebound too soft/steering damper too stiff (Not currently adjustable in GP Bikes, but real world riders may find this useful)/head races too stiff/rear ride height too low
Symptoms - Bike Unstable at Speed, Prone to Tankslappers:
Fixes: Rear Rebound Damping too soft (Or too stiff, adjust either way to pinpoint), trail too short
Symptoms - Rear Wheel Judders Under Power:
Fixes: Rear Compression Damping too Stiff/Rear Spring Rate too high.
This is perhaps a little controversial one, but Id love to have the OPTION to see the standard 2D dash, (That you seen in chase cam) when I'm riding in first person or VR. Some older Mods, while fun to ride, do not have working dashboards, and can result in a bit of an odd sensation.
While MaxHUD fills this void, it would be nice to have the option for the default period dashboard to show, and be moved to a more appropriate position.
Most racing sims, (And games these days) have a way to customise the way the ingame camera looks, with basic positioning, and angles etc.
GP Bikes has this to some extent with the FoV and tilt controls, as well as a look to apex I think, but various mods utilise different starting postions for the onboard cameras.
Some are high up, and some are close to the tank, some are closer to the nose, and some are closer to the tail of the machine.
I think having the option to adjust this manually as a user, inside some max/min params would be a big step forward in allowing people to setup the sim and machines to where they are comfortable, as not everyone who rides in first person has head tracking or VR available.
iRacing has a very good system, where you can move and adjust every aspect of the in-game driving camera, but it won't let you go to extremes and make all new ones.
This allows the maximum customisability, to the point pretty much all setups and users are catered for, but means an unfair advantage cannot be gained by making a camera that's not in the game/sim by default.
Following quite a 'Heated' discussion on the GP Bikes discord, that involved a lot of toys being thrown out of a lot of prams, It came to my attention that GP Bikes does not have a manually adjustable steering damper.
This for me is perhaps one of the Largest issues with GP Bikes, as depending on your riding style, its value can be subjective to each person, and having a set value per mod bike can cause issues where one person can ride fine, but the next crashes at every point.
(This was the issue on the discord regarding a WIP mod, and like I said it got quite heated, and could have been avoided with an adjustable steering damper value in the Games 'Garage' area)
As for why this isn't in GP Bikes is beyond me, as it is virtually a necessity of all modern racing, and now road, motorcycles, and has been used since way before GP Bikes was considered for development.
It would allow people to have each mod more customised for their riding style, and eliminate most issues regarding the 'front end wobble' that seems common in this beta.
The M2 bike even has one on its 3D model so why its not simulated I have no Idea.
Following myself going watching the real world 'Gold Cup', I thought it'd be a good thing to have going In GP Bikes, so here I am.
It going to be a one off race weekend, with one 30 minute practice for people to join, one 10 minute qualifying, and two races, each being 8 laps, around the Oliver's Mount Road Racing Circuit.
As per the Real Life Gold Cup, SuperSport 600cc machines will be used, courtesy of the 'WSSP 2018' Modpack. I will release updated files for each bike with the relevant DMT Values in.
Things to Note:
This will 'Hopefully' be uploaded to my YT, providing it goes ahead and the racing is up to standard
The Supersport 600 machines are very fast, and quite hard to handle. So make sure you can get around the laps with as few crashes as possible.
The Olivers Mount track is still in a development phase, so while very good, and functional, there are still bugs and missing details
Olivers Mount is NOT a race circuit. It is a COUNTRY ROAD RACE, as a result the Course is EXTREMELY NARROW and BUMPY
Riding Dangerously, ignoring Flags, speeding in the pits, and Riding the wrong way through pitlane will result in immediate ejection and banning from the server. Always rejoin, and exit the track at T1 from the Pits.
Olivers Mount is on a small Mountain, so there are EXTREME ELEVATION changes - Prepare accordingly
Olivers Mount is a ROAD RACE, and as a result there is NO RUN OFF AREA. HIT THE GRASS, you WILL CRASH. Run wide, YOU WILL CRASH. There are TREES, HEDGES, and FENCES instead of gravel traps.
Ensure you have learned the course as well as you can before hand, as it can be very frustrating at times, as its so unforgiving
Weather Will be randomised, so ensure you have practised in all weather, as OM races in the RAIN!
REGARDING USE OF THE CIRCUIT:As a result I plan to run this in the last weekend in October, which is the 26/27 October. On the 26th, we will have an open dedicated server, for all to join and practice in.On the 27th, we will have an open dedicated server, for all to join and practice in, up until 1pm GMT. At which point the server will shut down, and the race server will be launched, allowing only the 'official entrants' to join, and the above schedule will be strictly enforced.That being said, Entries:Post your entry below, in this format:Nickname:Number:Bike:GUID: (Found in the 'Profiles' Tab in Game Menus)Here is mine: Nickname: Myst1cPrun3Number: 93Bike: 2018 SSP Yamaha R6GUID: 18CBBE3C
OK this is perhaps a little different of a request, but I'd like to see an alternate Last Lap flag texture.
As I run VR, and no help, (popups, 2d flags etc) it can be difficult to spot the white flag for the last lap, and it sometimes gets mixed up with the checkered flag.
In the UK we don't even use a waved white flag, we use a static yellow flag with a white cross, which seems much easier to see.
I don't even think MotoGP use a last lap flag anymore, but I could be wrong in that.
Whether this is just me or not I can say, as I don't know, but it'd be nice to have the option for a different texture, have the flag static, or to turn the last lap flagger off completely that way the only one you see is the end of the race, to cut out any confusion.
I'd just like to say a few things regarding giving feedback, as poor old Manu has had to shut down development of the entire MotoGP 19 mod as people were giving very contradicting advice, and I think the channel went from 'feed back on the mod' to 'what I want from the Mod', and I will more than freely admit I was as guilty as anyone when it comes to that sadly.
(At the end of the Day that also came down to the Core GP Bikes Simulation not being where it needs to be to pump out high quality mods, and I hope Pib reads this as the slow development is harming the Modding Community that GP Bikes depends on more and more, as it was so eloquently put in the discord, 'The only thing that harms GP Bikes is GP Bikes itself')
But that's another topic for another day.
So here are a few guidelines I've dreamt up regarding feedback for all bike/track mods, that should keep the discussion to topic, and allow for a more productive feedback session (This will also be on the forums as well).
So Here we go:
1) Ensure you've done A LOT of laps, with runs of various lengths, on various tracks, in various conditions, with various setups. This will ensure you get a larger understanding of whats going on with the bike. Remember, we are testing a bike, not qualifying, or even racing, so doing 5 lap runs on max engine power, wont really cut it, and wont allow you to get enough info to make an accurate judgement.
2) If there is a problem with the bike, try to adjust the setup to diall it out. This is for a few reasons.
a) If you can dial an issue out with the setup, you can give accurate feedback on what the issue is and can help the developer fine tune the issue.
b) It will help you understand how to improve yourself as a rider, and all the setup changes you make can be applied to other bikes as well.
3) Remember, it is NOT going to be a mod of a mod, so for the love of god don't compare it to another mod. In the past week I've read more of
"This mod is how this one should handle" or "This mod is better it needs to be like this one".
That is literally the most unhelpful thing you could say, and to a developer, it would be effectively saying this is crap, make it like someone else's.
All bikes, should be compared as much as possible to real world information, such as onboard footage and replay cameras. Notice how I didn't say DATA there as that is another point.
a) Real world data isn't always 100% correct in GP Bikes sadly, so a 1:1 data input may yield a motorcycle that is unrealistic to ride and in a simulation that isn't the best thing, although 9 times out of 10 it is a very good baseline/starting point.
b) Real world data sometimes isn't always available. This is where the TV Cameras and on-boards come in, as they can provide invaluable information on how a bike should look at certain points in riding, and chances are getting a machine in GPB to replicate that will result in something that isn't far off realistic.
5) Lap times. These are a valuable part of comparing real world data, however its important to note exactly what you're comparing your times to. Often I've seen people compare a 'backmarker machine' (KTM GP machine) to a bike that is winning championships, (Honda) and then claim the bike is way off the pace and thus unrealistic.
Please ensure you're comparing your times to the actual bike you're riding, (EG Tech 3 KTM RC16 to Tech 3 KTM RC16, not Repsol Honda to KTM RC16 and so on).
Try and get the conditions you're riding in as close to the real conditions as possible. GP Bikes has a basic, yet very customizable weather engine, so use this to your advantage.
6) As I said in #1 you are TESTING. So treat it like a test. Do short runs, do long runs, do runs on worn tyres, do runs on different fuel loads. Cover all bases.
7) As I said above change the setup. But ensure you do it one thing at a time, and ensure you run your ENTIRE programme again on that one change. We have the rather awesome ability to not have time constraints, and can post as many laps as we need so use them. Don't make a change and then do 5 laps and change it back.
Don't even do 50 laps.
In the MotoGP 2019 Mod I did well over 250 laps at various circuits, and the only things I adjusted was the tyre compound, electronics, and gearing, just to make it controllable and consistent.
As I keep repeating, it is a TEST. So treat it like one. You will gain nothing from going out, doing the worlds fastest first sector, and then crashing for the rest of the lap. Slow it down, be consistent, and add speed slowly as you begin to understand the bike, and more importantly how GP Bikes handles said bike.
9) Don't Forget the RAIN. Rain is a feature that is in GP Bikes, and is often overlooked, as again we have the awesome ability to turn it off. But rain plays a pivotal role in a motorcycles development and setup, and it should here as well.
10) GP Bikes is still in Beta, and far from perfect. Remember this when Giving Feedback, as some of the issues you highlight may be core issues with GP Bikes, and not an actual mod issue, and trying to fix these in the mod can make the mod unusable
Any more points may be added later, but for now here is Empty Box going over how to practice. This is very applicable here, despite being for cars and not bikes:
In general the sounds in GP Bikes are very very good.
And quite frankly, possibly the best sounding motorcycle game/sim out there.
That being said, there are areas on which that can be improved, as stuff like the TT game, and ride 3 are catching up a little bit sound wise,particularly the external sounds.
Looking (or rather listening ) to this video shows that bikes have many more layers to them, such as put sounds etc.
Now that is not necessarily what I'm hoping to improved, as the way I see it that's a bike sound that moddders can shange an not piboso.
External sounds, are the piboso sound engine changes that I would expect, for instance, as again, on that video, the sounds echo around off buildings and walls, etc, and just adds much more layers to the sounds.
Having this ability in GP Bikes would make the replays/youtube uploads/streams much more appealing to viewers and potential GP Bikes customers.
Reason I suggest this here, as to my knowledge the ability to add special 'external' sounds to bikes is not possible, so the replay sounds, and how it takes those sounds and allows them to be heard in GPB external cams.
I'd also like to see the leg dangle 'return to peg' parameters changed.
As the leg comes out and returns depending on the brake force, often I get what I call the 'double drop', where I get a little sideways on entry, and have to ease off the brake, and then reapply it. This results in the leg going back on the peg and dropping again, when in reality, the leg would be out all the time.
If the 'return to peg' goes off the throttle position or lean angle instead of brake position it would keep the leg out when the bike goes 'slideways' on the brakes, which would be much more realistic.
I'd love to see a riding style editor like in ride 2, whether it's a standalone program like track Ed or something is not a big deal to me.
All the relevant animations are there so it'd be ideal to start putting this in now.
The ability to assign individual coordinates, (through a visual interface) to each body part at various parts of the riding animation, and having gp bikes fill in the gaps, would be ideal and awesome to see. Be able to use my own style
SOOO, I'm an idiot, I tried dedicated server hosting. And I was kinda successful, in that my servers appear in GPB, and people seem to be able to play them.
However whenever I go to play them, all I see is 'connection timeout' whenever I go to the world tab, and before when I could get to the world tab, I tried to join the server and I just got a blank screen with cancel in. Now I cant connect at all, despite removing all files and a clean GPB Install. HELP.
Oh, and I don't know how to shut my servers down so there's just about 3 - 4 servers of mine that I cant stop LOL