Quote from: Vini on May 17, 2020, 06:32:25 PMGood video, really shows the realism much better!
Quote from: Vini on May 17, 2020, 06:32:25 PMRegarding our physics discussion, the differentiation between hanging off and not hanging off is fundamentally wrong. Just think it a step further: It would mean that there is a special distance to the bike you need to achieve at all times in order to hit the sweet spot where the force simulation is accurate. Any deviation from that would result in an incorrect feeling.
I can see that I'm failing to communicate what it is that I mean. I'm not saying there is a "correct" hang off amount. I agree with you that as it is now, any hanging off messes up the sense of balance. Leaning the simulator rig in the direction you are turning would make that even worse. Leaning it too much in the other direction would mess it up equally. I'm enjoying this discussion a lot, you make good points!
Do you agree with me that, if you were to lean a motion rig in any direction, it would be the opposite way of the turn?
Quote from: Vini on May 17, 2020, 06:32:25 PMThe extra forces created by hanging off are purely created by your own positioning while the external forces acting on the bike-rider (or simulator-player) system as a whole remain the same.
The shift in the rider's center of gravity affects the lean angle of the bike you need to make a given turn at a given speed. So even if the external forces are the same, the relation between the internal forces are different (lean angle/hang off = constant, or something like that)
Quote from: Vini on May 17, 2020, 06:32:25 PMYou are also not hanging off everytime the bike is leaning, for example when swerving around on a straight you are fully tucked in.
Lastly, your differentiation would mean that the physics are not continuous which cannot be true: The force calculation at the transition away from exactly 0° lean angle would change instantaneously in order to reflect your theory on the influence of hanging off.
Yeah, that is a good point too. A depth mapping sensor would be required to get a somewhat correct assuption of rig lean.. Maybe that could keep the lean/hang ratio constant (or just tap into the trackIR data..). I'd like to go hang out at Cruden for a year or so to try stuff out..
Quote from: Vini on May 17, 2020, 06:32:25 PMThe swivel design is a compromise in order to replicate some of the relative movements hanging off and leaning produces on a real bike. The mounting height and the bike-lean-angle-to-controller-swivel-angle-scaling need to be finetuned, which is not being properly reflected in your sketches.
If they are correctly adjusted, the movements between your head (which is where most of your senses come from) and the handlebar would be quite close to reality:
Your sketch is a lot better than mine!
I feel that the radius required to make the swivel work for my riding style would make it very difficult to fabricate. This is just my stuborn mind though, I haven't tried it, so I can't really say.