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Off Topic / Re: F1 New Engine Format: Considering 2T?
January 14, 2020, 03:45:03 pm
@Myst1cPrun3:
Your very good at making statements without any real facts.... Something your very quick to accuse others of doing.... Pretty hypocritical don't you think? But oh, wait! That'll be your version of common sense kicking in won't it, I do apologise! Lol! Hehe! ;D  ;)

The truth is we'll just have to wait and see what this project brings.... As I've stated above, I'm hoping it will be a chance to get the sport back to being a true sport and not a technological facade. :P
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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 14, 2020, 03:23:02 pm
Wow! :o  :o
Now you're telling people how I think and even suggesting a poor future for the UK cause we decided to leave the EU and you don't like it.... I'm beginning to think there are a couple of bigots in town. Lol!

Many of you youngsters really haven't got a clue where the EU is concerned...... Let's just wait and see what happens, then you can come & apologise to us oldies for your arrogance & stupidity based on no experience of what you are talking about whatsoever. Lol! :P  ;)

I had a feeling you where a remain supporter, their outlook and attitude sticks out a mile, something very particular to people who support remaining in the EU..... Too scared of your own shadows to make any real changes cause your scared of what will happen.... No wonder the armed forces are struggling to find recruits these days, you're all a bunch of gutless wonders, all mouth and no action these days! Oh we've sure got a bright future if we leave the country in your soft hands I'm sure(NOT!)! Hahaha!  :P ;D ;D

There is one thing for sure.... The future is what we make it, and the UK without the corrupt EU Commission dictating will allow the UK to prosper, and that is what the EU are terrified of us doing after we leave, hence they are trying to dictate a level playing field before any trade negotiations; they don't want us in a position where the UK can out-compete the EU and leave them standing. They are terrified & the UK should screw them into the ground for their terrible management of the EU as an organisation over these years! Lol! ;D  8)

It won't be long before the rest of the EU members will follow the UK's lead, as always seems to be the case.... Let the brave go first and the snowflakes will follow when they see how well the UK is doing outside the EU, typical.....

Now you've started something mentioning Brexit! Haha!  ;D  ;D  ;)
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Off Topic / Re: F1 New Engine Format: Considering 2T?
January 14, 2020, 11:33:29 am
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on January 14, 2020, 10:22:16 amRumour is that if they go ahead they will be fueled by synthetic fuel, and have exhaust gas treatments so there would be no smoke, very little smell, and the likelihood is it'll sound different too.

So it's not entirely what you think.

They will be having electronic aids. That's a given

Why would they have electronic rider aids on a genuine race-bike that only brings a sport into disrepute?

Why do you think it's a given decision? There was no mention of that in the article.

Is there some kind of twisted thinking that you need rider aid electronics to make motorcycle racing safe or what going on here? Lol!

This would be the chance to bring Motorcycle racing back as a genuine sport and not just a ridiculous technological facade..... Even the riders have said they would rather ride genuine race-bikes rather than have electronics control a lot of the ride for them..... They want that excitement back.... So where's your problem?
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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 14, 2020, 08:05:34 am
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on January 13, 2020, 04:07:24 pmOn a broad perspective yeah disagreements cause issues lol.

But for me any point of view, majority or not, of its not fact then it's irrelevant 😉

Facts don't always make sense in that it maybe a fact that someone has a degree but that doesn't stop that person being an idiot. ;)

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Off Topic / Re: F1 New Engine Format: Considering 2T?
January 14, 2020, 07:50:48 am
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on January 13, 2020, 09:56:00 pmSo I came across this link that f1s new engine format could be a revival of ye olde 2 smokers with alternate fuels and so on, and apparently MotoGP have been looking at similar options.

I think this could be a step backwards, due to emissions and so on. I actually believe diesel would be a better alternative for Grand Prix, a more forward looking option. (No electricity as motoe exists)

But still here's the link, any thoughts. I know what @Hawk is going to say before he even replies,but still..  ;D  ;)

https://www.visordown.com/news/racing/motogp/could-motogp-return-two-stroke-engine-formula

Hallelujah!! Common sense starting to be realised.... Finally!! Hehe! :P  ;D  ;D  ;)

PS: Let's hope no electronic bike control aids are being considered as part of that project..... Let's get back to a true man & machine marriage and something to truly be proud of as a sport! ;D  8)
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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 13, 2020, 02:47:52 pm
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on January 13, 2020, 09:59:08 amAgreeing and disagreeing. And there in lies the world's issues.


Well, well, well.... At least we can agree on this mate, something that while people have differing points of view will never change, and why should it.... But it's the majority point of view that counts, right? ;D  ;)
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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 13, 2020, 09:48:03 am
@Myst1cPrun3:
Funny how when one disagrees with another that the excuse is often accusing the reader of not reading what they said, isn't it.....

Like I said.... We'll leave it agreeing to disagree with each other on these issues in a major way....

Let's just wait and see what history brings shall we. Lol. :P  ;D  ;)
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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 12, 2020, 06:20:23 pm
@Myst1cPrun3:

Well, well, well..... Indeed you have answered just why many these days just easily accept the changes manufacturers like to bring into sports, for the worst in my opinion.

I can only believe that your a relatively young man from your attitude of the 60's/70's as being a long time ago? Would also explain just why you hold your opinion of the current state of MotoGP today.

Also, your opinion of what is a sport is very disrespectful of those sports you easily dismiss as a sport just cause they seemingly have little physical exertion involved, which I beg to differ if you have ever cared to participate in any of those sports in a serious competitive manner and not just as a way to enjoy or pass the time with friends, even for a seemingly sedatory activity like esports or chess you'd find are either very mentally tiring or do indeed require the participant to be physically fit to compete at the highest levels of today.

A lot of the skills you say are new and added to this modern era have always been skills riders needed to possess except for the electronics management side of things, so nothing much new there.

As for Motorsport being mainly for manufacturers: I would disagree by saying that there has always been two championships and intentions involved in sports - The manufacturers title/prestige, and the competitors title/prestige, both of which are equally as important to both.
I would also state that in the past motor manufacturers involved in sports were pretty quickly stopped from continuing any development that was thought to bring sport into disrepute. The difference nowadays seems to be where that red line of bringing disrespect to a sport is drawn these days, and I think a lot of the relaxing of attitudes in that respect comes down to sponsors and their big money dominating the direction of sports and how and what is allowed to be overlooked where technology implementations are concerned...... All will lead to no good things happening in these sports if it's allowed to continue, it will be the big corporations that run sport, if indeed they already don't; again not a good situation for the way sport should be run.

So it comes down to just having to disagree with the younger generation yet again and if they are not going to learn from the experience of the older more experienced generation then we just have to let you carry on, make the mistakes and then hope that sports involved in their bad management can be rescued by people who know what they are talking about and let them live & thrive honourably again. ;D ;)
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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 12, 2020, 01:18:53 pm
Well..... It seems I will never understand  the acceptance from the current generation of modern MotoGP fans concerning the implementation of some of the technologies these days that to me go against everything sport as a whole is all about.

Seems to me that if a sport like golf allowed the implementation of laser-aiming devices on putters, or club-heads that electronically adjusted themselves to the golfers swing so that they perfectly strike the ball every time then you guys would say that is quite okay cause everyone is in the same situation and using the technology, that it's just the sport moving forward with the times and doesn't take away from the sport cause all competitors are using the same technologies so why does it make any difference to the result? It's MADNESS! ;D

Another analogy: Who would you rather have flying you to a destination in a failing plane? A pilot that knows how to fly a plane by the seat of his pants or a pilot who has only flown fly-by-wire planes in his life? I know which pilot I'd want to be flying this failing plane to get me safely back to ground.

You've got to realise that we are not talking about only material changes in bike design(that's perfectly acceptable as advancement of a sport with the times), we are talking about technologies that actually replace some major rider skills of the bikes control, handling and engine in real-time and that's apart from the main subject of debate being the over implementation of safety into the sport.

All sounds crazy to me that you guys just sit back and accept it all so easily without questioning what it's doing to the soul of the sport itself...

I'm interested to know what would you guys say if someone asked you to define what best describes sport?




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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 12, 2020, 12:17:56 am
Quote from: Manu on January 11, 2020, 10:00:37 pm
Quote from: Hawk on January 11, 2020, 09:35:34 pmManu. It is based on actual research not just a personal opinion, so it is not subjective at all..... The safer you make an activity the more risk the participants will tend to actually take. That's not to say all participants but certainly those that have the inclination to always push limits rather than those that know their limits.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for reasonable & sensible safety within sport, especially dangerous sports and especially to protect the spectators from harm, but once sensible and reasonable safety precautions have been implemented, then one has to start asking that if by going any further would safety start to dilute or eat away at the very soul of what the sport is all about which is pitting the skills of one competitor against another based on the abilities of the competitors themselves and not having their skills aided by safety devices or electronic aid technologies ..... When do safety features and technology aids start to actually aid a riders psych and natural skills that they wouldn't otherwise be able to use, and therefore if they use them, are the competitors not gaining a false skill-set they would otherwise not have, which ends up resulting in a false result, a facade and not actually a sport anymore?

I can not agree. The rider's safety and electronic aids are the same for everyone.

You are talking about psychological limits but those limits will still be there even without electronic assistance or rider safety elements.

If everyone has the same conditions, where is the problem?

Okay.... I'll give you a single brief example:

Take "Traction Control". Before electronics where brought in to control the traction it was a skill riders had to learn, and just how well a rider could use and control their throttle hand and body weight shifting to control the traction of the rear tyre and use that skill would often mark the difference between great riders and ordinary good riders(their all good riders after all).

You say that so long as it's the same for everyone then what is the problem? Well a rider that without traction control who wouldn't be very good with their throttle hand to control the rear traction is now able to by-pass that skill cause the electronics are doing that job for them, and vice versa in that the riders who do have good throttle control abilities are now in a position where that natural skill has been made useless.... So the sport is in a situation where you have less skilled riders able to now compete with the great riders(given a competitive bike to do so) when in reality they shouldn't be able to cause they haven't the real skill to keep up with them, hence I talk about the falsity and the facade of it in all areas of MotoGP nowadays.


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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 11, 2020, 09:35:34 pm
Quote from: VSMaster on January 11, 2020, 09:04:16 pmAgree

Agree to what side of the debate there VSMaster?

Quote from: Manu on January 11, 2020, 08:39:45 pmIn my opinion what you say doesn't make much sense. You say safety makes riders more reckless. That is very subjective.

Safety makes rider safer nothing more. The rider who is reckless will remain so.

What you raise is almost like saying that riders should ride without a helmet and leathers.

Manu. It is based on actual research not just a personal opinion, so it is not subjective at all..... The safer you make an activity the more risk the participants will tend to actually take. That's not to say all participants but certainly those that have the inclination to always push limits rather than those that know their limits.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for reasonable & sensible safety within sport, especially dangerous sports and especially to protect the spectators from harm, but once sensible and reasonable safety precautions have been implemented, then one has to start asking that if by going any further would safety start to dilute or eat away at the very soul of what the sport is all about which is pitting the skills of one competitor against another based on the abilities of the competitors themselves and not having their skills aided by safety devices or electronic aid technologies ..... When do safety features and technology aids start to actually aid a riders psych and natural skills that they wouldn't otherwise be able to use, and therefore if they use them, are the competitors not gaining a false skill-set they would otherwise not have, which ends up resulting in a false result, a facade and not actually a sport anymore?
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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 11, 2020, 08:21:48 pm
Seems your all missing the point I'm making.... That a dangerous sport can actually become more dangerous cause of too many safety implementations, regardless of how efficient they'd be at saving a competitors life if they got into a life-threatening situation. Those implementations can actually make competitors more reckless & dangerous to themselves and others cause they think they won't get hurt. ::)

Ever wondered just why the top real road racers would never win a track GP race, and vice versa, especially in these modern times? Think about it and express your thoughts below, then tell me I'm not using my brain guigui404.  :P  ;)

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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 11, 2020, 02:45:57 pm
Quote from: Manu on January 11, 2020, 11:55:20 amWe cannot live anchored to the past. The world evolves.

It is just my opinion.

But at what stage does a sport not become a sport, Manu?

I'm all for the world evolving, especially in everyday life or at work to advance things and make things as safe and efficient as possible, but when it comes down to a sport, it's the competitors skills and courage that we want to see tested at the highest levels in competition, and if you implement technologies to make dangerous sports too safe then your taking away a lot of the red-lines that many competitors in the past when that technology wasn't available would definitely not cross through lack of courage or skills to do so..... In my opinion it's taking away the very soul of what sport is all about for an individual, the skills to push the limits without making mistakes, it's what defines the great competitors from the good & ordinary competitors. If you have technologies that allow those with lesser skills and courage to push harder than their natural skills would allow then your destroying the very soul of what the sport is all about surely?

Likewise, this is just my opinion, and also why I'm against implementing technologies that either take away from competitor skill-sets or take away too much of the danger factors within dangerous sports to the extent that it encourages competitors to take risks that they normally would never take had that technology not been there for them.

PS: Other Motorsports seem to be taking steps backwards(F1 for an instance) in combating this kind of issue. MotoGP just seems to ignore what can be learn't from other Motorsports history and continues to pursue an almost anything goes attitude so long as they are winning they don't care what they are doing to the sport at all. Sadly it seems that with each generation of fans it's also becoming an accepted train of thought.... This free-acceptance attitude so long as ones winning certainly doesn't bode-well for MotoGP's future in my opinion or any sport that takes the same attitudes.
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General Discussion / Re: Airbag system
January 11, 2020, 09:16:10 am
Quote from: guigui404 on January 11, 2020, 12:02:48 amPar pitiƩ faites taire Hawk

:o  :o

Truth hurts, eh, guigui404?  ;D :P

It was actually a serious question..... If you make dangerous activities too safe, then is it not the case that it can get to a situation where the participants feel that invulnerable to any harm that they start taking risks that they never would have taken before?
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Bug Reports / Re: Loosing grip of the front
January 10, 2020, 07:53:56 pm
Stating the bike & track being used at the time would be helpful.  ;)