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Yes, that's why the video says 'powerslide'
As I said earlier, in my opinion these are highside-safes.
I just wanted to clarify that we are on the same definition of powerslide


So, the seearch continues...

So, one of the replays I mentioned earlier:
http://www.youtube.com/v/jgUTFpj5ApQ

[Smoothely]

That is what I am saying, the bike is supposed to be fun to ride and not match the real-world data.

So, where can I get beta3?

Anyway, slides like these are still possible.
But, in my opinion these are more "highside-saves". For me, powerslides are what they are doing in MotoGP out of every corner: Smoothely roll on the throttle and let the rear wheel slide from the apex to the exit of the turn without releasing the throttle and smoothely letting the rear wheel kick in again. Most of the time you don't even notice it, until you see the black lines they put on the track.

Yes, he says that the 125 bikes were better, cheaper, simpler and faster and that Honda tried to stop every new development like DFI to switch to four strokes.


Oh yes, the emissions.....
But Diesel, planes, fossil-fuel power stations, FCKW production in China and India, ... is ok.
BTW with direct injection and oil injection the emissions are on 4T level, just look at snowmobiles.


I don't want to start the 2T vs 4T discussion again.
Currently two stroke engines are designed for race bikes and not really suitable for use in a daily commuter bike that has to be reliable and have low fuel consumption.
But that's only logical: The development of two strokes stopped some 30 years ago. The only thing that improved was power which also makes sense because you don't care about fuel consumption or emissions when building a race bike.
But as I said above, to see what's already possible look at two-stroke outboard or snowmobile engines.

This is becoming the same discussion all over again.
The 500 is shit around corners and it's terrible on small tracks. I want a bike that is fun to ride even if that means that it is a second faster than the real record.

But since you want to stick to the numbers and keep the outdated tyre and frame technology, how about somebody makes a Suter 500 which has up-to-date Moto2 chassis, brakes, suspension, tyres and a 200hp V4 (at 129 kg fully fueled) so that we can have WSS corner speeds (even faster actually) without interferring with the numbers.
To me this is unnecessary, just copy the NSR with higher corner speed and call it Suter 500.

If you talk to guys who were involved in GP racing, they will all tell you that Honda were the ones who tried as hard as possible to get rid of the two strokes (even later in the 250/125cc class).
There is a reason they came up with the oval piston NR bikes....
Well, at least they now have their own class...
You should read this interview, it's in german though so you might want to use google translator:
http://www.motorradonline.de/vergleichstest/tracktest-ktm-viertakt-racer-als-125er-nachfolger-interview-mit-ktm-grand-prix-konstrukteur-harald-bartol/264161?seite=5


A well designed 500 or 600cc V4 2T engine can easily reach the power of a superbike while being a lot lighter and smaller (and having a lower COG).
There are a lot of guys who put an RD or RG 500 engine in a RGV 250 or RS 250 (these bikes are not bigger than a YZF-R125) and it fits nicely and only weighs 130 kg dry.
It will basically handle like a 125 but at 180-200 hp.

Then it's maybe the weight distribution.
Fact is: They are way too slow in corners.
The 500 on Jerez is a nightmare.
They should at least be as fast as the superbikes through corners.

Ok, a different question: Can anybody show me a long, consistent powerslide with a 4T in GPB?
I think we are not on the same definition of "consistent powerslide".


The 500 lean angle in GPB is quite accurate, I agree with you after looking at it again but the corner speed is way too low which means that the bike is too heavy.


But, to repeat myself, rear wheel steering is not the top priority at the moment in my opinion. Maybe we are all just not as good at GPB as we think we are. I mean, who of the ones who ride in real-life can do powerslides without traction control?

It certainly looks better than all the new ugly superbikes with sharp edges everywhere like the RSV4.

It just uses regular electronic fuel injection, that's why it's not road legal (damn emission legislations!). It's still very good that somebody finally made a properly working injected two stroke and this is probably one of the reasons the bike is so expensive.

Yes, if it weren't for Honda, direct fuel ijnected 2 strokes would already be on the road and MotoGP would still be called 500cc world championship....

I agree that 100k is too much and 160 hp is not enough in my opinion (tuned Gamma engines can almost reach that power) but you have to understand that it was built to be reliable and be an "easy-package". That is why maxiumum power is achieved at only 11500 rpm and that is also why it has a completely new frame and swingarm that even beat Moto2 chassis.
It has a lot more potential but even now it will beat any home-made GP500 replica bike.

They alread have orders for 24 bikes, I think there are enough collectors or ex-racers who would buy one of these (so would I if I had enough money ).

Since the big manufacturers have stopped developing two strokes the only chance for a small company to bring them back would be, to build a new V4 500-600cc engine with modern technology (DFI and some more exotic things like 24/7 reed valve intake, FOS cylinder, variable exhaust pipe and water injection) that complies with emission legislations and has at least 180 hp. You could then bring them your 600cc supersport bike and have the engine replaced for a reasonable price (max 10,000 €).
That is the only way people would think about getting a big two stroke instead of buying a superbike.

Hmm, I don't see a lot of improvement.


In my opinion, we simply need more lean angle (or less weight, either way: more corner speed) and the bike would be perfect.


Powerslides like in MotoGP out of every corner will never be possible.
Even in reality, they were only able to do that a few times when they got lucky, but then again, I already have a some replays doing the same thing in GP Bikes with the 500.

Haha, thanks for the tipp

I just came back from a week of drinking school excursion in Barcelona/Tossa de Mar.
If all roads in Spain are like that, I will have to move there, once I finished school

Here is the video as promised
The last lap is the fastest one (starting at 5:00).
http://www.youtube.com/v/9C6XBHL1n2g


Here is the demo file: https://mega.co.nz/#!yIBjjYAQ!ywhsXKojUi9rZaYgWBiaMhB142r4tw-kOzdtdzXKqvc
Just copy it to "%USERPROFILE%\Documents\PiBoSo\GP Bikes\replays" or  "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\PiBoSo\GP Bikes\replays" if you are still on XP and watch it in-game.

http://www.youtube.com/v/2X7tOmnn2gc

My best lap is 1.27.057 with the RGV500.

And I agree, with a correctly set up gearbox it's almost scary how much the superbikes wheelie.
I have just done a few laps on the GSVR and managed to do a 1.23.5 but I that was still far from perfect.
I will upload a video tomorrow (no onboard this time though ).