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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 30, 2016, 08:47:54 AM
Crikey are you guys still going with this? Here's an alternative viewpoint..

The Collapse of Western Democracy

Democracy no longer exists in the West. In the US powerful private interest groups, such as the military-security complex, Wall Street, the Israel Lobby, agribusiness and the extractive industries of energy, timber and mining, have long exercised more control over government than the people. But now even the semblance of democracy has been abandoned.

In the US Donald Trump has won the Republican presidential nomination. However, Republican convention delegates are plotting to deny Trump the nomination that the people have voted him. The Republican political establishment is showing an unwillingness to accept democratic outcomes. The people chose, but their choice is unacceptable to the establishment which intends to substitute its choice for the people's choice.

Do you remember Dominic Strauss-Kahn? Strauss-Kahn is the Frenchman who was head of the IMF and, according to polls, the likely next president of France. He said something that sounded too favorable toward the Greek people. This concerned powerful banking interests who worried that he might get in the way of their plunder of Greece, Portugal, Spain, and Italy. A hotel maid appeared who accused him of rape. He was arrested and held without bail. After the police and prosecutors had made fools of themselves, he was released with all charges dropped. But the goal was achieved. Strauss-Kahn had to resign as IMF director and kiss goodbye his chance for the presidency of France.

Curious, isn't it, that a woman has now appeared who claims Trump raped her when she was 13 years old.

Consider the political establishment's response to the Brexit vote. Members of Parliament are saying that the vote is unacceptable and that Parliament has the right and responsibility to ignore the voice of the people.

The view now established in the West is that the people are not qualified to make political decisions. The position of the opponents of Brexit is clear: it simply is not a matter for the British people whether their sovereignty is given away to an unaccountable commission in Brussels.

Martin Schultz, President of the EU Parliament, puts it clearly: "It is not the EU philosophy that the crowd can decide its fate."

The Western media have made it clear that they do not accept the people's decision either. The vote is said to be "racist" and therefore can be disregarded as illegitimate.

Washington has no intention of permitting the British to exit the European Union. Washington did not work for 60 years to put all of Europe in the EU bag that Washington can control only to let democracy undo its achievement.

The Federal Reserve, its Wall Street allies, and its Bank of Japan and European Central Bank vassals will short the UK pound and equities, and the presstitutes will explain the decline in values as "the market's" pronouncement that the British vote was a mistake. If Britain is actually permitted to leave, the two-year long negotiations will be used to tie the British into the EU so firmly that Britain leaves in name only.

No one with a brain believes that Europeans are happy that Washington and NATO are driving them into conflict with Russia. Yet their protests have no effect on their governments.

Consider the French protests of what the neoliberal French government, masquerading as socialist, calls "labor law reforms." What the "reform" does is to take away the reforms that the French people achieved over decades of struggle. The French made employment more stable and less uncertain, thereby reducing stress and contributing to the happiness of life. But the corporations want more profit and regard regulations and laws that benefit people as barriers to higher profitability. Neoliberal economists backed the takeback of French labor rights with the false argument that a humane society causes unemployment. The neoliberal economists call it "liberating the employment market" from reforms achieved by the French people.

The French government, of course, represents corporations, not the French people.

The neoliberal economists and politicians have no qualms about sacrificing the quality of French life in order to clear the way for global corporations to make more profits. What is the value in "the global market" when the result is to worsen the fate of peoples?

Consider the Germans. They are being overrun with refugees from Washington's wars, wars that the stupid German government enabled. The German people are experiencing increases in crime and sexual attacks. They protest, but their government does not hear them. The German government is more concerned about the refugees than it is about the German people.

Consider the Greeks and the Portuguese forced by their governments to accept personal financial ruin in order to boost the profits of foreign banks. These governments represent foreign bankers. not the Greek and Portuguese people.

One wonders how long before all Western peoples conclude that only a French Revolution complete with guillotine can set them free.


Dr Paul Craig Roberts

(Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury for Economic Policy under the Reagan administration and later served as a consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Commerce. Dr. Roberts also held the position of associate editor and columnist for The Wall Street Journal and columnist for Business Week and the Scripps Howard News Service.)
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 26, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
Quote from: vin97 on June 26, 2016, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: girlracerTracey on June 26, 2016, 09:22:23 PM
It seems to me if I am honest that the future system of governance of the EU Superstate is built upon the concept of a child-like trust of authority..

That's my honest take on this. My first rule of life is that I do not blindly trust my own sovereign government let alone the unaccountable system of governance of a federalised EU Superstate.

Do the citizens of the United States of America feel trust in their centralised federal government? Do the citizens of the U.S. Superstate feel that their federal government  is properly accountable to them? From what I have heard the answer is a a resounding no. Levels of confidence and trust in the U.S. Federal Government have never been lower and more imperiled.

So no personally the EU is not for me. In an ideal world in an ideal future in a distant universe maybe. But here and now no way Jose..! ;) Not in this world and not with the potential dangers that this world faces. We need to make those who govern us more accountable for their actions..not less. In my honest and personal opinion.

Just my 2 cents.

If Europe is happy to go forward with the concept of a Single Government, a single military force and a single set of fiscal laws then good for them.. I'm not buying. :)

I guess at the end of the day people just "tick" differently. We I suppose will just have to learn to respect and get along with the two different systems of governance and the two different systems of ideology. I guess there will have to be room for both? That's the way it's looking..
Quote from: vin97 on June 24, 2016, 08:48:56 PMthe (political) problems of most western democracies are very similar, no matter if isolated or united. i think the chance of fixing them is higher when all people see themselves as part of the same thing, though.

If you were some how able to take the predatory banking cabal out of the equation (completely) and do away with the private central banking system (completely) and banish the Rothschild banking empire and its associates to the dark side of the moon and re-programme mankind to be naturally philanthropic in their dealings with their fellow man (or woman) then I might begin to agree with you Vin.

It's a nice thought I have to say.

Anyway, I wish you good luck with it all. Interesting times are ahead of us all. Particularly with the heightened tensions on Russia's borders..

Peace and love.

grT
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 26, 2016, 10:18:20 PM
Gerald Celente -Trends in the News SPECIAL Brexit Episode

https://www.youtube.com/v/DhfPRMJoZmY

grT

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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 26, 2016, 09:22:23 PM
It seems to me if I am honest that the future system of governance of the EU Superstate is built upon the concept of a child-like trust of authority..

That's my honest take on this. My first rule of life is that I do not blindly trust my own sovereign government let alone the unaccountable system of governance of a federalised EU Superstate.

Do the citizens of the United States of America feel trust in their centralised federal government? Do the citizens of the U.S. Superstate feel that their federal government  is properly accountable to them? From what I have heard the answer is a a resounding no. Levels of confidence and trust in the U.S. Federal Government have never been lower and more imperiled.

So no personally the EU is not for me. In an ideal world in an ideal future in a distant universe maybe. But here and now no way Jose..! ;) Not in this world and not with the potential dangers that this world faces. We need to make those who govern us more accountable for their actions..not less. In my honest and personal opinion.

Just my 2 cents.

If Europe is happy to go forward with the concept of a Single Government, a single military force and a single set of fiscal laws then good for them.. I'm not buying. :)

I guess at the end of the day people just "tick" differently. We I suppose will just have to learn to respect and get along with the two different systems of governance and the two different systems of ideology. I guess there will have to be room for both? That's the way it's looking..

grT :)

P.S. good luck with TTIP..! Although having said that you never know with the obedient and compliant "puppets" we have in government in the U.K. we'll probably have the wretched thing here also.. lol.




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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 26, 2016, 07:10:32 PM
Quote from: doubledragoncc on June 26, 2016, 06:20:12 PM
WHY even talk about it......................

Its done you never had a choice and its finished with!!!

Politics and bikers dont work well!!!

I tend to agree with you DD. I remember my late father telling me that a famous "sim" racing forum (the precursor to race department? I'm not sure) had an a general "off-topic" section for all non "sim"racing related discussions. In the lead up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 it got really active and quite heated in the "Iraq war debate" section. Like really heated. The site admin.s has to close the off topic part of the forum down as a consequence according to my Dad. So yes debates can and do get "charged" when these sort of serious issues are discussed. People have different perspectives depending upon where they live in the world and how closely they follow the mainstream media.

As regards the younger generation in the U.K., the students and so on, the people of my age-group, far from having open and inquiring minds from my honest experience they have a tendency to "lap-up" the MSM..what attention they pay to these matters. Then they're off to a music festival to get drunk and try to pitch their tent in the mud. In between taking "selfies" and looking out for some "love and adventure". A liberally minded pro Europe stance is very popular (similar to the popularity amongst the young of gay rights etc. )  without them making much personal inquiry, if any at all, into the background and facts of the matter in hand. So off they trot to facebook to voice their support in the absence in the majority of cases of having performed any meaningful research of their own. This general trait amongst my peers does genuinely worry me if I'm honest. Not all of them are like that but most are.. Where has the radical and incisive thinking of previous student generations disappeared to one has to ask? I wish I knew tbh. Politics doesn't seem to be very popular amongst the younger generation these days. It's deemed in many quarters of this age-group to be a less than exciting subject for discussion. It is deemed to have limited relevance to their lives and limited relevance to their professional or private futures. Which is altogether rather sad really. So from my experience I don't believe that across the board the "young" in the U.K. are actually that well informed at all these days on world events and politics.. That's my honest take having lived in the U.K. for 3 years now.

In case people might be interested here's a link to an article  by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the U.K. Daily Telegraph regarding the CIA's links to the EU.  The same journalist, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, was the Telegraph's Washington based correspondent in the year 2000 when these links were first discovered. This article is from April this year and brings the subject up to date in light of the EU referendum.

"The European Union always was a CIA project, as Brexiteers discover"
AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD


Brexiteers should have been prepared for the shattering intervention of the US.  The European Union always was an American project.

It was Washington that drove European integration in the late 1940s, and funded it covertly under the Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon administrations.

The key CIA front was the American Committee for a United Europe (ACUE), chaired by Donovan. Another document shows that it provided 53.5 per cent of the European movement's funds in 1958. The board included Walter Bedell Smith and Allen Dulles, CIA directors in the Fifties, and a caste of ex-OSS officials who moved in and out of the CIA.

..."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/27/the-european-union-always-was-a-cia-project-as-brexiteers-discov/

Take care all and have an enjoyable Sunday evening.

grT  :)

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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 26, 2016, 09:00:41 AM
George Soros: "Brexit Makes EU Disintegration Irreversible".

"Just four days ago, the "big guns" when George Soros wrote a Guardian op-ed titled  "The Brexit crash will make all of you poorer – be warned" in which he said that "as opinion polls on the referendum result fluctuate, I want to offer a clear set of facts, based on my six decades of experience in financial markets, to help voters understand the very real consequences of a vote to leave the EU." We promptly countered that Soros' set of "facts" may be clouded by his far greater equity stake in interests around Europe, and the globe, which would be drastically impacted by not only a Brexit, but by a European Union which is suddenly on the rocks.  That's precisely what happened when, as we wrote earlier, the world's 400 richest people lost $127.4 billion Friday following the Brexit vote.

Soros was among them.


However, seemingly unhappy that his generously altruistic warning was so roundly ignored by the peasants, not to mention his sudden concern about the future of the European Union whose collapse would also destroy the premise behind Soros' Open Society globalization initiative, the 85-year-old billionaire has decided to follow up with a case of sour grapes and go all in, making another forecast - since his first one was so clearly rejected - and in what may end up roiling markets even more, moments ago Soros said in his second op-ed of the week that the "catastrophic scenario that many feared has materialized, making the disintegration of the EU practically irreversible. Britain eventually may or may not be relatively better off than other countries by leaving the EU, but its economy and people stand to suffer significantly in the short to medium term. The pound plunged to its lowest level in more than three decades immediately after the vote, and financial markets worldwide are likely to remain in turmoil as the long, complicated process of political and economic divorce from the EU is negotiated. The consequences for the real economy will be comparable only to the financial crisis of 2007-2008."

But while Soros is lukewarm on the UK, his forecast about Europe is far more dire.."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-25/george-soros-brexit-makes-eu-disintegration-irreversible
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 25, 2016, 07:05:36 PM
Highly respected and world renowned journalist John Pilger on Brexit and why the British said "No".

"The majority vote by Britons to leave the European Union was an act of raw democracy. Millions of ordinary people refused to be bullied, intimidated and dismissed with open contempt by their presumed betters in the major parties, the leaders of the business and banking oligarchy and the media."

"This was, in great part, a vote by those angered and demoralised by the sheer arrogance of the apologists for the "remain" campaign and the dismemberment of a socially just civil life in Britain. The last bastion of the historic reforms of 1945, the National Health Service, has been so subverted by Tory and Labour-supported privateers it is fighting for its life. "

"A forewarning came when the Treasurer, George Osborne, the embodiment of both Britain's ancient regime and the banking mafia in Europe, threatened to cut £30 billion from public services if people voted the wrong way; it was blackmail on a shocking scale."

"In the week of the referendum vote, no British politician and, to my knowledge, no journalist referred to Vladimir Putin's speech in St. Petersburg commemorating the seventy-fifth anniversary of Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union on 22 June, 1941.  The Soviet victory - at a cost of 27 million Soviet lives and the majority of all German forces - won the Second World War."

"Putin likened the current frenzied build up of Nato troops and war material on Russia's western borders to the Third Reich's Operation Barbarossa. Nato's exercises in Poland were the biggest since the Nazi invasion; Operation Anaconda had simulated an attack on Russia, presumably with nuclear weapons. On the eve of the referendum, the quisling secretary-general of Nato, Jens Stoltenberg, warned Britons they would be endangering "peace and security" if they voted to leave the EU.  The millions who ignored him and Cameron, Osborne, Corbyn, Obama and the man who runs the Bank of England may, just may, have struck a blow for real peace and democracy in Europe."


http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-british-said-no-to-europe
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 25, 2016, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Reactive on June 25, 2016, 01:04:32 AM
— final point of the Russia initiatives is to make the multipolar world, where all the countries are equal. No more superpowers.

You nailed it in one imo.

One seemingly seeks dominance through global hegemony and the imposition of a single dollar backed monetary system.  The other seeks cooperation between nations based upon international law and supports the freedom of independent currency issuance and independent systems of financial transaction. I  agree unipolar vs multipolar sums up the differences in ideological thinking quite well.

grT
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 25, 2016, 02:47:23 PM
Sometimes mere tears are never quite enough..   ;)

The unexpected consequences of a Club "Bilderberg" exit?


"The Real Brexit "Catastrophe": World's 400 Richest People Lose $127 Billion"

"For all the scaremongering and threats of an imminent financial apocalypse should Brexit win, including dire forecasts from the likes of George Soros, the Bank of England, David Cameron (who even invoked war), and even Jacob Rothschild, something "unexpected" happened yesterday: the UK was the best performing European market following the Brexit outcome."

"This outcome was just as we expected three days ago for reasons that we penned in "Is Soros Wrong", where we said "in a world in which central banks rush to devalue their currency at any means necessary just to gain a modest competitive advantage in global trade wars, a GBP collapse is precisely what the BOE should want, if it means kickstarting the UK economy."

Britain's 15 wealthiest citizens had $5.5 billion erased from their collective fortune Friday after the country voted to leave the European Union. Britain's richest person, Gerald Grosvenor, led the decline with a loss of $1 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. He was followed by Topshop owner Philip Green, fellow land baron Charles Cadogan and Bruno Schroder, majority shareholder of money manager Schroders Plc.

It wasn't just Britain: as Bloomberg added overnight, the world's 400 richest people lost $127.4 billion Friday as global equity markets reeled from the news that British voters elected to leave the European Union. The billionaires lost 3.2 percent of their total net worth, bringing the combined sum to $3.9 trillion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. The biggest decline belonged to Europe's richest person, Amancio Ortega, who lost more than $6 billion, while nine others dropped more than $1 billion, including Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, the wealthiest person in the U.K.

Ironically, it turns out that when George Soros threatened "The Brexit crash will make all of you poorer – be warned", what he really meant is "it will make me poorer." And yes, George, the people were warned which is why they voted the way they did. "

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-25/real-brexit-catastrophe-worlds-400-richest-people-lose-127-billion
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 25, 2016, 12:48:00 PM
Quote from: vin97 on June 25, 2016, 12:14:57 PM
Quote from: girlracerTracey on June 25, 2016, 10:34:01 AMchem-trails
ok, i'm out.

Mentioned by Stout in the first instance not I.

I tend to skip through posts in any forum thread that don't particularly interest me also. I think that's pretty much standard practice these days. Broadening the discussion can sometimes bear some fruit though. That's sometimes how we can learn new facts about the world we live in.  :)

grT
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 25, 2016, 10:34:01 AM
@Stout: Don't you roll your eyes at me young man..!!

lol. Only joking..

Having checked back on your posts to be fair to us both you didn't really amplify on what you were getting at, or alluding to, with regard to chem-trails at all. Your earlier post in turn followed on from another post in which you did seem to be dismissing "carte blanche" the conceivable legitimacy of any and all conspiracy theories. So anyway, no harm done..  :)

I am aware of the possible theoretical links put forward by some between aerosol spraying and eugenics..but of course this constitutes nothing more than imaginative speculation at this time. So I take your point in that regard.

As an observation what I find interesting is that officialdom, it could be argued, has it's own conspiracy theories. Take for example the official story relating to 9/11..inconsistent and as dubious in circumstantial and scientific supportive evidence as this particular "official" conspiracy theory might seem..  Yet many people unquestioningly believe "official" conspiracy theories whilst at the same choose to dismiss all and every non-official conspiracy theory..irrespective of the breadth and depth of the supportive evidence. As I say just an observation. 

As an aside Stout how do you feel about the possible uniform imposition of TTIP upon the EU member states?

grT



 
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 25, 2016, 08:37:07 AM
Quote from: Stout Johnson on June 25, 2016, 07:23:48 AM

now this is why arguing with someone like you is futile. you just write sth without any proof and act like it is undisputable - and then you feel superior in the argumentation although you did not prove anything... the theory on chemtrails is much much extensive than mere aerosol geoengineering (weather modification) - the latter exists and is not neglected by anybody whereas the extensive theory on chemtrails is just a myth

This is why conversing (not arguing) with individuals such as yourself can at times feel somewhat futile. There's now overwhelming evidence that the chem-trail phenomenon is widespread and very real. There are emerging academic papers and published opinion from independent scientific experts in all relevant fields to support this fact. Moreover there is now formal admittance from governmental bodies that geo-engineering programmes are active, "live" and that the technology is moving forward.

Now your inference Stout, a number of posts back. was that chem-trails were the stuff of conspiracy theory (implication being I suppose that such a phenomenon didn't necessarily exist?). Your post and your words Stout not mine. I can't recall your exact wording. However, as I say, things have now moved on considerably from the position of mere conjecture or theory. The fact now is that a cocktail of heavy metals (including barium, strontium and aluminium) as part of an extended weather modification programme, is being released on a regular basis into our atmosphere. Fact not fiction.

In Australia quite an intriguing new development is also being discussed. The Office of the Gene Technology Regulator (OGTR) is looking at a licence application from PaxVax Australia (PaxVax) for the intentional release of a GMO vaccine consisting of live bacteria into the Australian environment. According to the regulator, it qualifies as a limited and controlled release under section 50A of the Gene Technology Act 2000. So an aerosol atmospheric release of something constituting a GMO vaccine is now actively being pursued. Now quite a lot of conjecture exists, unsurprisingly, as to how such a new application for aerosol spraying might be used and developed in the future.

My honest and well meant advice if you hold an interest in subjects that are not covered in the mainstream media is to seek reliable and accurate sources elsewhere. If all one does is listen to the MSM one's view of the world might end up being slightly blinkered. I know I've been there myself..  ;)

grT







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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 24, 2016, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: vin97 on June 24, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
since the election was obviously not rigged, it means that half of the brexit supporters are probably people who prefer believing in unproven speculation instead of facts.

Main part of my post went missing. My fault.

What I was trying to say was that the level of general mistrust witnessed in the U.K. population over this referendum was quite unprecedented. Mistrust not only in the government itself but also in its agencies and intelligence services. Fear of the government fixing the result was widespread. Really quite unprecedented.  Hence I posted the link.

To illustrate the "mood" even Nigel Farage himself (leader of the anti-EU UKIP party) within minutes of the polls closing last night (before 1st result even declared) publicly accused the government of fixing the result in their favour by extending the deadline for voter registrations by 24 hours. He made this accusation on live t.v.  Again unprecedented for a senior politician to do this.

Also inadvertently the BBC caught on camera some apparent vote rigging in action albeit on a small scale during live coverage of an official count. A person was seen in the background of one of the live shots apparently changing the vote on a ballot paper. Within minutes the BBC switchboards were jammed by concerned viewers phoning up to report the crime..!

Quite a night! lol.
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 24, 2016, 09:01:33 PM
Quote from: vin97 on June 24, 2016, 06:58:01 PM


since the election was obviously not rigged, it means that half of the brexit supporters are probably people who prefer believing in unproven speculation instead of facts.

Of course it is not unproven speculation to suggest that vote rigging and election fraud can and does take place throughout the world. That's an accepted fact.  ;)

Just as it is factual to state that aerosol geoengineering (weather modification) projects exist and are ongoing and that contracts and patents are being set with the involvement of NASA and U.S. government agencies. So the phenomenon of chem-trails is real..  (pulling Stout's leg..)  ;D
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Off Topic / Re: Brexit or not ?
June 24, 2016, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: Toomes1 on June 24, 2016, 05:46:56 PM
Happy for the decision, personally I think it's the right one and one more thing" grT your just to deep for me where do you get this information from... Do I need to get an elite team of soldiers together to fight off the aliens when they invade the planet.

lol. Yes they're coming for us all.. We're all doomed you know? They want to breed with us (every one of us) and create a new race of hybrid lizards with even larger wings.. It will happen this year.

grT