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HornetMaX

Quote from: Hawk UK on October 06, 2015, 11:50:57 am
When starting off in DST the steering is not centred but is whacked right over to the left and unable to centre while not moving which makes it very difficult to get going.

Oh, I thought this was solved with beta6 (but I can be wrong on that).

If it helps, you don't have this problem with DSA: DSA + FFB should be the closest thing to real steering (at least on the paper, I recall that Klax was not happy about DSA and preferred DST).

MaX.

Hawk

Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2015, 11:55:26 am
Quote from: Hawk UK on October 06, 2015, 11:50:57 am
When starting off in DST the steering is not centred but is whacked right over to the left and unable to centre while not moving which makes it very difficult to get going.

Oh, I thought this was solved with beta6 (but I can be wrong on that).

If it helps, you don't have this problem with DSA: DSA + FFB should be the closest thing to real steering (at least on the paper, I recall that Klax was not happy about DSA and preferred DST).

MaX.


Well honestly I have not tried DSA as yet... I will have to give that a go, but for sure the above problem is still in DST because that's why I ditched my DST training with Klax. For me there was no point in racing with DST if when you fall it takes several attempts to get started again..... Let's see what beta 7 brings? Hopefully when Piboso says "soon" it is what the English dictionary defines it and not the Irish version. Hehe.  ;D

Hawk.

HornetMaX

Quote from: Hawk UK on October 06, 2015, 12:07:29 pm
Well honestly I have not tried DSA as yet... I will have to give that a go, but for sure the above problem is still in DST because that's why I ditched my DST training with Klax. For me there was no point in racing with DST if when you fall it takes several attempts to get started again....

Oh, I thought you were all for "you fall, you're out" approach  ;D

MaX.

Marcel

90 degrees is the lowest setting i can use with the fanatec wheel, until now i couldn´t find where to set it even lower. but after a couple of laps i got used to steering more than with a real bike. It would be very hard with 1to1 steering ratio because every bump comes trough the feedback to the wheel and turns it and the tracks have not that much polygons i think and aren´t very smooth. so its good that its not too direct i think. You get a very good feeling, have to steer, countersteer and compensate for acceleration and braking like on a real bike. Also you can´t get that much resistance feedback like on a real bike. when you are in a really fast 200kmh+ corner and try to straighten the bike you need a lot of force to steer into to corner to streighten the bike, that much you only get with an expensive direct drive wheel i think. first time i really enjoyed playing a bike racing game because everything else than correct steering is nonsense for me. hope some smoother tracks will come and a more precise feedback with less bump feedback. also i need mor buttons because auto lean sadly doesn´t work when using direct steer. would be good if it does, because corner speed is reduced when you can´t lean and on the streights the motogp bike does wheelies even in 5th gear. I will practice some more with the Honda MotoGP Bike at Mugello which was a lot of fun and try to do a better Video.

HornetMaX

Quote from: Marcel on October 06, 2015, 12:50:28 pm
90 degrees is the lowest setting i can use with the fanatec wheel, until now i couldn´t find where to set it even lower.

Not sure you can. But if you set "directsteer_maxangle=90" (same value as your wheel's max rotation) in your profile.ini, then you should end up having 1:1 ratio.

Quote from: Marcel on October 06, 2015, 12:50:28 pm
It would be very hard with 1to1 steering ratio because every bump comes trough the feedback to the wheel and turns it and the tracks have not that much polygons i think and aren´t very smooth.

That's interesting: I've always thought that the time evolution of the steering angle is a bit too shaky/noisy in GPB ...

Quote from: Marcel on October 06, 2015, 12:50:28 pm
also i need mor buttons because auto lean sadly doesn´t work when using direct steer. would be good if it does

Not sure it could be done in a proper manner: the steering input (the target steering angle) can't be used to deduce the rider lean left/right 9as it usually done without DST/DSA, where the "steering" input is in fact the target lean angle). Potentially one could make it depend on the bike's lean angle (the more the bike is leaning, the more the rider will lean), but even that may not be very good.

In principle, if "auto rider lean" is not available in GPB with DST/DSA, it is possible to create an input plugin that does that for you, but that would require some work and the end result may be crappy anyway :)

MaX.

teeds

Quote from: Marcel on October 05, 2015, 03:34:30 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZNBM9BxDho&feature=youtu.be


Good to see this. It does look weird in use, is it any different using it with more of a horizontal rotation?

Hawk

Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2015, 12:37:52 pm
Quote from: Hawk UK on October 06, 2015, 12:07:29 pm
Well honestly I have not tried DSA as yet... I will have to give that a go, but for sure the above problem is still in DST because that's why I ditched my DST training with Klax. For me there was no point in racing with DST if when you fall it takes several attempts to get started again....

Oh, I thought you were all for "you fall, you're out" approach  ;D

MaX.


Hahaha!!  ;D

Only if it applies to everyone else too, Lol  :P ;D

Hawk.

BOBR6 84

i would love to see a handlebar controller which tilts left/right to represent the lean angle.. and turns left/right with FFB for counter steering..

Napalm Nick

indeed that is what I want to see too.
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HornetMaX

Quote from: BOBR6 84 on October 06, 2015, 04:02:22 pm
i would love to see a handlebar controller which tilts left/right to represent the lean angle.. and turns left/right with FFB for counter steering..

You don't mean two separate inputs (one for bike lean, one for steering), right ?

MaX.

BOBR6 84

October 06, 2015, 06:25:52 pm #490 Last Edit: October 06, 2015, 06:30:47 pm by BOBR6 84
id just like a controller to have those movements.. i guess it would all be controlled with the counter steering like in Marcel's video but with the right movements from the handlebars.. so if i push the right bar away from me, the bike/bars will start to lean to the right.

i find it very confusing how it all works in GPB lol.

Vini

if the handlebar rotated, it would be ok IMO

then it's like on a real bike, countersteer a little, the bike leans and stays at that angle without additional input

Marcel

I´ve testet 90 degrees in the profile.ini but as excpected it is way too direct. Feedback in the middle is extremly nervous especially on bumps, it gets impossible to drive straight. I reduced again to 40 which feels good and smooth enaugh in corners. It always shakes as hell on the main straight so i have to reduce speed, but not that big problem because it´s the corner where the fun is :-D. But would be nice if everything could be smoother espacially with those bumps. Fells like it´s an effect like with Car Simulations when you go over curbs or bumps that it shakes your wheel left and right to give you some rumble feedback. But it´s not realistic and distortes the importend ffb effects. And if you setup the degrees that low for a really direct feel it gets more and more annoying because it affects your steering input a lot. Would love a Laserscanned track like in Assetto Corsa with really smooth surface, that would improve the whole feeling a lot i think.

I have the quick release hub for Fanatec wheelbase and plan to make a "rim" for it with real handlebars, brake, clutch and some buttons. But that needs a lot of time and i have to read first what controller and potentiometer i need to attach them to the real handlebar.

I recognized after driving a lot that i lean automaticly in my seat how i´m used to in real life. Now i saw a new video from BiPoSo showing Oculus Rift Support and it would be perfect if the headposition affect ingame leaning. Would be most natural to use and i hope that supports comes soon to the beta because i own a DK2.

Marcel

Quote from: vin97 on October 06, 2015, 06:39:24 pm
if the handlebar rotated, it would be ok IMO

then it's like on a real bike, countersteer a little, the bike leans and stays at that angle without additional input


thats how it is in my video, position of the handlebar to my torso and arms is also suprisingly natural but of course i sit in a chair and look too the bottom if you look at it like a bike seating position.

Vini

i meant that the handlebar rotates with bike lean angle via an additional motor.
this motor can also create the necessary resistance for the countersteering to feel 'real'.