GP Bikes beta5

[oppolo]

this is what happens with 125, is like with 1000 but much worse, you can't stop it

Normally when wobble appear son a real bike, you have to cut the throttle. Does that work ?

MaX.

it happened also to me with 125, that's why I came back to beta4, watch better the video, it's completely unrealistic the way it begins

[LOOPATELI]

nope,
is when you cut the throttle the wobble becomes bigger and crash, thats what happened also in the video

[Warlock]

nope,
is when you cut the throttle the wobble becomes bigger and crash, thats what happened also in the video

Agree, IRL if you cut, you crash

[HornetMaX]

nope,
is when you cut the throttle the wobble becomes bigger and crash, thats what happened also in the video

Agree, IRL if you cut, you crash

I'm not really sure (http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/motorcycle-wobble-weave-high-side/), but it could also depend on the geometry.
In the video though, you kept the throttle wide open for a long time after the wobble started: when you finally cut it, the wobble was so big it was probably too late.
I'd like to see what happens if you cut it (maybe not fully) when the wobble begins.

I'm not trying to justify the fact the wobble appears / stays / increases.

MaX.

[Stout Johnson]

nope,
is when you cut the throttle the wobble becomes bigger and crash, thats what happened also in the video

Agree, IRL if you cut, you crash

I'm not really sure (http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/motorcycle-wobble-weave-high-side/), but it could also depend on the geometry.
In the video though, you kept the throttle wide open for a long time after the wobble started: when you finally cut it, the wobble was so big it was probably too late.
I'd like to see what happens if you cut it (maybe not fully) when the wobble begins.

I'm not trying to justify the fact the wobble appears / stays / increases.

MaX.

I just discussed it with Warlock... I think there are too many parameters involved  - you cannot give a perfect advice on how to react to a wobble. It also all depends on bike's damping, engine power, steering damper, and so on...  I always heard the advice, that you release gas a bit (not total in order to keep load off the front), take knees to the tank and do not steer or hold handlebars to strong. I would say that  if you stay 100% on gas and the bike is already pumping the oscillation from rear to front might increase the wobble.

PS: I am not sure a wobble like in the video above is realistic for a 125cc anyways....

[Hawk]

nope,
is when you cut the throttle the wobble becomes bigger and crash, thats what happened also in the video

Agree, IRL if you cut, you crash

I'm not really sure (http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/motorcycle-wobble-weave-high-side/), but it could also depend on the geometry.
In the video though, you kept the throttle wide open for a long time after the wobble started: when you finally cut it, the wobble was so big it was probably too late.
I'd like to see what happens if you cut it (maybe not fully) when the wobble begins.

I'm not trying to justify the fact the wobble appears / stays / increases.

MaX.

Max your right.... If they cut the throttle down early enough it does dampen the wobble, and as soon as the damping starts to take effect you can then open the throttle again. I've tried it and it does work.
In the video you kept the throttle open way too long, also try putting swing arm length on max setting (2), this helps stabilise the wobbles(also helps dampen excessive wheelies) but only to a certain degree. 

Hawk.

[HornetMaX]

I agree with what you said Stout. However, for this kind of wobbleweave, closing the throttle (eventually not fully and not abruptly) should help.

EDIT: seems also using the rear brakes may help.

Just tried:

https://www.youtube.com/v/WWtzRDRJGEE

My previous comment here (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=1219.msg15415#msg15415) about the virtual  rider being "not appropriately tuned" refers to that part of what you said:

I always heard the advice, that you release gas a bit (not total in order to keep load off the front), take knees to the tank and do not steer or hold handlebars to strong

If the virtual rider tries to react to the wobble in the wrong way (I try to keep the terms non technical here), then it may end up in actually amplifying the wobble and make the whole thing unstable. Which seems to be what we see here.

MaX.

[Hawk]

Regarding guys not being able to activate GPB using the server stats page server links:

When I first tried it, all I got was a black screen for a few seconds then nothing, the black screen disappears. A box came up in IE asking to allow permission for the link to activate through the browser. I also checked the little box to always allow that link to activate GPB. I tried again. Again Black screen for a few secs then disappeared to browser again and nothing activated.

Decided to try Firefox. Clicked server link on stats page and a box appeared asking me to select a programme to activate. GPB was listed in the box so I selected that(also there was a browse button in that box just in case I had to go and browse for the core.exe of GPB but I didn't need to use it as it was already listed in the box). I selected GPB from that list in the box and clicked okay and GPB activated for the server link I initially selected from the stats page.

Edit: Oh it then asks for a password, but just click okay and should work.

Hope this procedure helps. It worked for me. 

Hawk.

[HornetMaX]

Shit, with firefox it works for me, not with Chrome and IE !!

MaX.

[Hawk]

Shit, with firefox it works for me, not with Chrome and IE !!

MaX.

Lol... I like your colourful expression Max. Hehe 

Yeah... it's weird how this is panning out okay for some and not others..... Makes me wonder if there has been some copy/pasting going on with the install instead of a true clean install of beta 5?

Hawk.

[HornetMaX]

Lol... I like your colourful expression Max. Hehe 

And I'm trying to keep it under control ...

Yeah... it's weird how this is panning out okay for some and not others..... Makes me wonder if there has been some copy/pasting going on with the install instead of a true clean install of beta 5?

Surely not for me. Also, protocol registration seems to work as Chrome is indeed launching core.exe, just it exits immediately ... puzzling ...

MaX.

[HornetMaX]

AAAahhrrg ! I've found something strange, I'll open a post in the bug section.

MaX.

[Klax75]

I've noticed wobble too, but I'm not finding it as bad. And I do agree it's more of a throttle control issue to make it go away. It's more noticeable to get the wobble then in previous betas. If you are use to just mashing the throttle constantly try going more easy with it. You can still do quick throttle but not so much of On and Off type of throttle control. Build it up even if quickly compared to full out in a millisecond.

[Vini]

Cutting the throttle is not a good idea because you suddenly put more weight on the front wheel that, in that moment, is not properly aligned with the rear wheel.
At higher lean angle this will inevitably cause a lowside. If it's a speed wobble (at very low lean angle) you still get away with it most of the time, tough.



Currently the game is unplayable on almost all tracks and we certainly cannot start the championship before these lowsides are fixed.

[HornetMaX]

Cutting the throttle is not a good idea because you suddenly put more weight on the front wheel that, in that moment, is not properly aligned with the rear wheel.
At higher lean angle this will inevitably cause a lowside. If it's a speed wobble (at very low lean angle) you still get away with it most of the time, tough.

We are talking about speed wobble, at no lean angle at all (except the tiny lean induced by the wobble itself) as in my video above (or in LOOPATELI's video).
For this, cutting the throttle (maybe gently and.or partially) should help in real life and seems to be confirmed in-game.

MaX.